Finding a new PC on which Windows 7 can be installed.

Wanting to replace my 8-year-old desktop with one that also has W7
installed, but difficult to find.
The UK PC supplier from whom I bought the current one has replied:

"No modern CPUs support anything other than windows 10 and, thus, you
will find a huge range of either glitches, crashes or simple failures to
install the OS.
Your best option would be to maybe save money and go through a third
party for a cheap windows 10 key. Unfortunately no new, modern system
would work on windows 7; regardless of manufacturer."

Anyone in UK know of availability of a 'modern' PC that has (or can have)
W7 installed?

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On 1/15/2018 10:35 AM, Maurice wrote:
Wanting to replace my 8-year-old desktop with one that also has W7
installed, but difficult to find.
The UK PC supplier from whom I bought the current one has replied:

"No modern CPUs support anything other than windows 10 and, thus, you
will find a huge range of either glitches, crashes or simple failures to
install the OS.
Your best option would be to maybe save money and go through a third
party for a cheap windows 10 key. Unfortunately no new, modern system
would work on windows 7; regardless of manufacturer."

Anyone in UK know of availability of a 'modern' PC that has (or can have)
W7 installed?

What is it that you can't do with your 8 year old PC?
I don't think I have any that new.

On 01/15/2018 01:35 PM, Maurice wrote:
Wanting to replace my 8-year-old desktop with one that also has W7
installed, but difficult to find.
The UK PC supplier from whom I bought the current one has replied:

"No modern CPUs support anything other than windows 10 and, thus, you
will find a huge range of either glitches, crashes or simple failures to
install the OS.
Your best option would be to maybe save money and go through a third
party for a cheap windows 10 key. Unfortunately no new, modern system
would work on windows 7; regardless of manufacturer."

Anyone in UK know of availability of a 'modern' PC that has (or can have)
W7 installed?

Do you mind mail order? And can you do mail order from places like
NewEgg? And what do you want? PC desktop or laptop?

I've seen referbs on Newegg that are Win7.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...-308-_-Product

Not that this is the best PC, but when I filtered for operating system I
saw 999+ on the filter. Granted this is loaded with win 10 but says it
will downgrade. Not sure how well that stuff works.

On 01/15/2018 02:10 PM, Big Al wrote:
On 01/15/2018 01:35 PM, Maurice wrote:
Wanting to replace my 8-year-old desktop with one that also has W7
installed, but difficult to find.
Â*Â* The UK PC supplier from whom I bought the current one has replied:

"No modern CPUs support anything other than windows 10 and, thus, you
will find a huge range of either glitches, crashes or simple failures to
install the OS.
Â*Â*Â* Your best option would be to maybe save money and go through a third
party for a cheap windows 10 key. Unfortunately no new, modern system
would work on windows 7; regardless of manufacturer."

Anyone in UK know of availability of a 'modern' PC that has (or can have)
W7 installed?

Do you mind mail order?Â*Â* And can you do mail order from places like
NewEgg?Â*Â* And what do you want?Â*Â* PC desktop or laptop?

I've seen referbs on Newegg that are Win7.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...-308-_-Product


Not that this is the best PC, but when I filtered for operating system I
saw 999+ on the filter.Â* Granted this is loaded with win 10 but says it
will downgrade.Â* Not sure how well that stuff works.
And
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...-007-_-Product
This is a referb and loaded with win 7 off the shelf. Not bad price
either for $126 US. Hell I need a new one, I might just buy this.
Better than buying a motherboard and cpu and memory for my old P4
Pentium box. :-)

On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 10:43:15 -0800, mike wrote:

What is it that you can't do with your 8 year old PC?

Rely on it. Some dodgy RAM in there, and rather than splash out on
16GB of new RAM I would rather put it towards a new one.

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On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 14:10:21 -0500, Big Al wrote:

I've seen referbs on Newegg that are Win7.

Yes, seen some like that, but I'm really nervous about refurbs...

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On 01/15/2018 02:24 PM, Maurice wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 14:10:21 -0500, Big Al wrote:

I've seen referbs on Newegg that are Win7.

Yes, seen some like that, but I'm really nervous about refurbs...


That $500+ link is not a referb. The $126 one is a referb.

In article ,
says...

Wanting to replace my 8-year-old desktop with one that also has W7
installed, but difficult to find.
The UK PC supplier from whom I bought the current one has replied:

"No modern CPUs support anything other than windows 10 and, thus, you
will find a huge range of either glitches, crashes or simple failures to
install the OS.
Your best option would be to maybe save money and go through a third
party for a cheap windows 10 key. Unfortunately no new, modern system
would work on windows 7; regardless of manufacturer."

Anyone in UK know of availability of a 'modern' PC that has (or can have)
W7 installed?

What about buy and sell sites. In Canada we have Kajiji. There always
seems to be any number of gamers want to sell their old rig get
something faster. Typing this on a dual core Intel 3 Gz system bought
for $100. Put in an SSD and a video card and it works fine even playing
older games top notch. Runs 32 bit Win7, it's a Dell and all drivers for
Windows 7 available off their site (though I've kept copies). Plenty
fast enough and does everything I require.

"Maurice" wrote

| "No modern CPUs support anything other than windows 10

Presumably by "modern" they mean the new type
like AMD Ryzen. I don't know anything about those,
but why not just buy the parts and make a box
with anything older, assuming you have or can get
a Win7 disk.
That's really two different issues:
Getting Win7 to install vs getting a Win7 computer.

I currently have XP and Win7 both installed on
boxes with an Asus M5A78L-M board and
AMD FX-8300 8-core, 3.3GHz CPU. I'm very
happy with the combination. I saw the boards on
sale last week for about $60 US. I'm thinking of
buying some backup boards, in case the Win7
box ever dies, so that I can re-install and still
activate it.
That's just one example. There's no need to
buy the very latest. Supporting hardware is
still current. Getting a board, DVD drive, CPU,
RAM, case and power supply should cost well
under $500 US, as cheap as the cheapest new
PCs. Putting it all together is really not very
involved. The trick is just to be gentle and
avoid static electricity.

If you don't want to deal with that you might
try Dell. Last I saw they were still selling Win7 PCs.
Also, Win10 Pro allows for "downgrade" rights if
you get a compatible computer. Though it would be
a shame to pay for a pro version of slop that you
don't even want.

If you decide to try installing 7 on a "modern"
system you might look at things like this:

https://www.anandtech.com/show/11182...-windows-7-x64

Apparently it's possible but a hassle. I'm guessing
Paul might stop by soon to explain that better.

On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 18:35:07 -0000 (UTC), Maurice
wrote:


Wanting to replace my 8-year-old desktop with one that also has W7
installed, but difficult to find.
The UK PC supplier from whom I bought the current one has replied:

"No modern CPUs support anything other than windows 10 and, thus, you
will find a huge range of either glitches, crashes or simple failures to
install the OS.
Your best option would be to maybe save money and go through a third
party for a cheap windows 10 key. Unfortunately no new, modern system
would work on windows 7; regardless of manufacturer."

Anyone in UK know of availability of a 'modern' PC that has (or can have)
W7 installed?




I'm in the USA, and don't know anything about what's available in the
UK, but I do know that the statements "No modern CPUs support anything
other than windows 10 and, thus, you will find a huge range of either
glitches, crashes or simple failures to install the OS" and
"Unfortunately no new, modern system would work on windows 7;
regardless of manufacturer" are completely false. As a single example,
you can get them from Dell. See
http://pilot.search.dell.com/windows%207


However, I would personally recommend against going with such an old
unsupported version of Windows. I recommend that if you buy a new
computer, you get Windows 10, but do not buy it from that UK PC
supplier since they either lie to you or don't know what they are
talking about. They sound like a good company to stay far away from.

On 01/15/2018 3:12 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 18:35:07 -0000 (UTC), Maurice
wrote:

Wanting to replace my 8-year-old desktop with one that also has W7
installed, but difficult to find.
The UK PC supplier from whom I bought the current one has replied:

"No modern CPUs support anything other than windows 10 and, thus, you
will find a huge range of either glitches, crashes or simple failures to
install the OS.
Your best option would be to maybe save money and go through a third
party for a cheap windows 10 key. Unfortunately no new, modern system
would work on windows 7; regardless of manufacturer."

Anyone in UK know of availability of a 'modern' PC that has (or can have)
W7 installed?



I'm in the USA, and don't know anything about what's available in the
UK, but I do know that the statements "No modern CPUs support anything
other than windows 10 and, thus, you will find a huge range of either
glitches, crashes or simple failures to install the OS" and
"Unfortunately no new, modern system would work on windows 7;
regardless of manufacturer" are completely false. As a single example,
you can get them from Dell. See
http://pilot.search.dell.com/windows%207


However, I would personally recommend against going with such an old
unsupported version of Windows. I recommend that if you buy a new
computer, you get Windows 10, but do not buy it from that UK PC
supplier since they either lie to you or don't know what they are
talking about. They sound like a good company to stay far away from.


I have to agree with Ken, Buy yourself a nice new system with Windows 10
From a different supplier than previous.
You'll have full warranty and an up todate system, And when you learn to
use and Optimize it You will be happy for a long term, Win 7 is OK but
outdated

Rene

On 15/01/2018 18:35, Maurice wrote:
The UK PC supplier from whom I bought the current one has replied:

Which one?

Try Novatech:

https://www.novatech.co.uk/pc/home/

They have got laptops as well as Desktops and they also sell bare-bone
bundles. Their machines can come with or without operating system.

I have got quite a few from them but as you may know I use Windows 10
but they also supplied me with Windows 7, 8.1 and 10 drivers just in
case I decided to duel boot my machines. i didn't any of them as
Windows 10 is just right for me.



"No modern CPUs support anything other than windows 10 and, thus, you
will find a huge range of either glitches, crashes or simple failures to
install the OS.
Your best option would be to maybe save money and go through a third
party for a cheap windows 10 key. Unfortunately no new, modern system
would work on windows 7; regardless of manufacturer."

Anyone in UK know of availability of a 'modern' PC that has (or can have)
W7 installed?



--
With over 600 million devices now running Windows 10, customer
satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows.

On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 15:31:46 -0600, Rene Lamontagne
wrote:


On 01/15/2018 3:12 PM, Ken Blake wrote:


However, I would personally recommend against going with such an old
unsupported version of Windows. I recommend that if you buy a new
computer, you get Windows 10, but do not buy it from that UK PC
supplier since they either lie to you or don't know what they are
talking about. They sound like a good company to stay far away from.



I have to agree with Ken, Buy yourself a nice new system with Windows 10
From a different supplier than previous.
You'll have full warranty and an up todate system, And when you learn to
use and Optimize it You will be happy for a long term, Win 7 is OK but
outdated



And I agree with you, especially with the statement beginning "And
when you learn to use and Optimize it." There are many things I didn't
like about its out-of-the-box state.

Maurice wrote:
Wanting to replace my 8-year-old desktop with one that also has W7
installed, but difficult to find.
The UK PC supplier from whom I bought the current one has replied:

"No modern CPUs support anything other than windows 10 and, thus, you
will find a huge range of either glitches, crashes or simple failures to
install the OS.
Your best option would be to maybe save money and go through a third
party for a cheap windows 10 key. Unfortunately no new, modern system
would work on windows 7; regardless of manufacturer."

Anyone in UK know of availability of a 'modern' PC that has (or can have)
W7 installed?


Microsoft blocks Windows Update for certain processors.

Someone has a hack for that, to enable it again.

The Windows 7 DVD doesn't have an XHCI driver, so using a
portable optical drive on a USB3 port might not work.

The chipset might not have Windows 7 drivers. For example,
the newest motherboard uses LGA1151 but with Z370 chipset
(the older LGA1151 boards don't support the newest processor).

So let's work an example. Try and force Windows 7 on newest kit.
It's the Win8 users who are screwed :-)

https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards...Desk_Download/

Win10 drivers
VGA === CPU graphics (GPU inside)
Audio
LAN
Chipset === labels Device Manager properly
SATA (Intel RST)
Win8 drivers
crickets
Win7 drivers
Audio
LAN

Without any USB3 drivers listed for the motherboard on Win7,
you would have to wonder what will work on there. It means
seeing if the board has an add-on (Asmedia) USB3 chip or not,
which is bound to have USB3.

It means doing extra research.

*******

The poster "Nil" recently bought a motherboard and processor.
I believe he got a "Skylake" processor. There are still
some around. Kaby Lake or Coffee Lake are probably a bit
too modern for their own good.

You can use a tool like this, to work backwards. Given
a CPU, find a motherboard.

https://www.asus.com/us/support/cpu_support

Walk down the cpu-world page (must verify these before acting on the info).

http://www.cpu-world.com/Sockets/Soc...4_LGA1151.html

Look one up on Newegg. Asian seller.

"Intel Core i7-6700K 4C 8T Processor 4GHz 8MB Cache LGA1151" $373

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...9SIA1K657Z8726

Check on ark.intel.com

https://ark.intel.com/products/88195...up-to-4_20-GHz

Product Collection 6th Generation Intel Core i7 Processors
Code Name Products formerly Skylake ===
Vertical Segment Desktop
Processor Number i7-6700K
Status Launched
Launch Date Fall 2015
Lithography 14 nm

Recommended Customer Price $339.00 - $350.00

TDP 91W

Using the Asus page, and entering "i7-6700K", I get a
representative answer.

PRIME Z270-A

Make up a URL by editing my previous URL... A pretty full driver set.

https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards...Desk_Download/

Win7 drivers
VGA
Audio
LAN
USB (one driver for Asmedia USB3)
Chipset
SATA (Intel RST)

That's the basic idea, for a Skylake hunt.

And now that you know a Z270 would work, you could go looking
for the equivalent kind of page on the Gigabyte site.

https://www.gigabyte.com/Support/CPU-Support

Plug in "Intel Core i7" and "Core i7-6700K"

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard...70X-UD3-rev-10

And so on.

Paul

W10 is crap any way you look at it.
My Win10 laptop is the biggest pain to use.
Never ready when i am.
supper sluggish on all fronts.
Seems to update and hold me up several times a wwek.
Apps I use keep going to "NOT RESPONDING"
Or i get the green progress bar of slow death that never seems to quit.

My Win XP is brilliant. I have four and they just keep going.
My Win 7 pc is OK. I have three and they have a few OS problems but
nothing major.

I buy refib laptops, two lenovos so far, and both are flawless.

Remember, even refirbs can be fixed, upgraded etc.

Change out for a SSD, easy.
Add more RAM, easy.

yeah spend more money but get exactly what you want.