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Should I install KB4056894
Well it is now February 6 th. Should I install KB4056894. What is
everyone doing other than waiting. If I hide the update will it be presented again or included in the February update rollup. I look after 6 computers besides my own and I do not need problems. Any suggestions would be appreciated. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Maurice Helwig ~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
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Should I install KB4056894
Maurice Helwig wrote:
Well it is now February 6 th. Should I install KB4056894. What is everyone doing other than waiting. If I hide the update will it be presented again or included in the February update rollup. I look after 6 computers besides my own and I do not need problems. Any suggestions would be appreciated. https://support.microsoft.com/en-nz/...date-kb4056894 Microsoft has reports of some customers on a small subset of older AMD processors getting into an unbootable state after installing this KB. This issue is resolved in KB4073578. "Unbootable state for AMD devices in Windows 7 SP1 and Windows Server 2008 R2 SP1" https://support.microsoft.com/en-nz/...ws-server-2008 Microsoft is not aware of any issues that affect this update currently. This update does not replace a previously released update. Last Updated: 19/01/2018 ******* That suggests you can safely try the KB4073578 on an older AMD machine, then check to see if KB4056894 is even offered. There's nothing at the top of the page that has been updated to suggest what is going on today. https://www.askwoody.com/2018/multip...up-kb-4056894/ And if a Cumulative Security-only or Cumulative Security and Quality comes in on February Patch Tuesday, it would contain the "effect" of whatever '894 was trying to do. Presumably minus the crashing. Microsoft makes some of these patches with "switches" to turn them off, and perhaps that's all that the patch sequence is doing now, is leaving the controls for the patches in a benign state. There is the PowerShell script (as well as a third-party version checking the same flags), that indicates the status of Meltdown/Spectre mitigation. The PowerShell script is marred by some shenanigans necessary to import it. Paul |
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Should I install KB4056894
On 2/5/2018 3:17 PM, Maurice Helwig wrote:
Well it is now February 6 th. Should I install KB4056894. What is everyone doing other than waiting. If I hide the update will it be presented again or included in the February update rollup. I look after 6 computers besides my own and I do not need problems. Any suggestions would be appreciated. CPU: Intel Core i5-3340 I installed KB4056894 on 5 January and have not noticed any problems. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ President Trump: Please stop using Twitter. We need to hear your voice and see you talking. We need to know when your message is really your own and not your attorney's. |
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On 6/02/2018 10:35 AM, David E. Ross wrote:
On 2/5/2018 3:17 PM, Maurice Helwig wrote: Well it is now February 6 th. Should I install KB4056894. What is everyone doing other than waiting. If I hide the update will it be presented again or included in the February update rollup. I look after 6 computers besides my own and I do not need problems. Any suggestions would be appreciated. CPU: Intel Core i5-3340 I installed KB4056894 on 5 January and have not noticed any problems. Thank you -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Maurice Helwig ~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
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Should I install KB4056894
On 6/02/2018 9:54 AM, Paul wrote:
Maurice Helwig wrote: Well it is now February 6 th. Should I install KB4056894. What is everyone doing other than waiting. If I hide the update will it be presented again or included in the February update rollup. I look after 6 computers besides my own and I do not need problems. Any suggestions would be appreciated. https://support.microsoft.com/en-nz/...date-kb4056894 Â*Â* Microsoft has reports of some customers on a small subset of older Â*Â* AMD processors getting into an unbootable state after installing this KB. Â*Â* This issue is resolved in KB4073578. "Unbootable state for AMD devices in Windows 7 SP1 and Windows Server 2008 R2 SP1" https://support.microsoft.com/en-nz/...ws-server-2008 Â*Â* Microsoft is not aware of any issues that affect this update currently. Â*Â* This update does not replace a previously released update. Â*Â* Last Updated: 19/01/2018 ******* That suggests you can safely try the KB4073578 on an older AMD machine, then check to see if KB4056894 is even offered. There's nothing at the top of the page that has been updated to suggest what is going on today. https://www.askwoody.com/2018/multip...up-kb-4056894/ And if a Cumulative Security-only or Cumulative Security and Quality comes in on February Patch Tuesday, it would contain the "effect" of whatever '894 was trying to do. Presumably minus the crashing. Microsoft makes some of these patches with "switches" to turn them off, and perhaps that's all that the patch sequence is doing now, is leaving the controls for the patches in a benign state. There is the PowerShell script (as well as a third-party version checking the same flags), that indicates the status of Meltdown/Spectre mitigation. The PowerShell script is marred by some shenanigans necessary to import it. Â*Â* Paul Paul, Does this mean that I should install KB4073578 first -- and then KB4056894 with a possible reboot between them? I am unclear on this. I understand that KB4073578 needs to be downloaded from Microsoft Catalogue as it has not been offered on windows update on any of the machines. All the computers have Intel I5 Haswell processors. My wifes laptop is a Dell Inspiron 15R with an Intel I7 processor and an AMD Radeon HD 7670M video card. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Maurice Helwig ~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
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On 6/02/2018 9:54 AM, Paul wrote:
Maurice Helwig wrote: Well it is now February 6 th. Should I install KB4056894. What is everyone doing other than waiting. If I hide the update will it be presented again or included in the February update rollup. I look after 6 computers besides my own and I do not need problems. Any suggestions would be appreciated. https://support.microsoft.com/en-nz/...date-kb4056894 Â*Â* Microsoft has reports of some customers on a small subset of older Â*Â* AMD processors getting into an unbootable state after installing this KB. Â*Â* This issue is resolved in KB4073578. "Unbootable state for AMD devices in Windows 7 SP1 and Windows Server 2008 R2 SP1" https://support.microsoft.com/en-nz/...ws-server-2008 Â*Â* Microsoft is not aware of any issues that affect this update currently. Â*Â* This update does not replace a previously released update. Â*Â* Last Updated: 19/01/2018 ******* That suggests you can safely try the KB4073578 on an older AMD machine, then check to see if KB4056894 is even offered. There's nothing at the top of the page that has been updated to suggest what is going on today. https://www.askwoody.com/2018/multip...up-kb-4056894/ And if a Cumulative Security-only or Cumulative Security and Quality comes in on February Patch Tuesday, it would contain the "effect" of whatever '894 was trying to do. Presumably minus the crashing. Microsoft makes some of these patches with "switches" to turn them off, and perhaps that's all that the patch sequence is doing now, is leaving the controls for the patches in a benign state. There is the PowerShell script (as well as a third-party version checking the same flags), that indicates the status of Meltdown/Spectre mitigation. The PowerShell script is marred by some shenanigans necessary to import it. Â*Â* Paul Paul, AskWoody indicates that -- "Yet another surprise patch, KB 4078130, for all versions of Windows, disables part of the Meltdown/Spectre patches" I am confused and not quite sure what to do. I know that I do not want 6+ computers all playing up on me. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Maurice Helwig ~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
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Should I install KB4056894
On Tue, 6 Feb 2018 15:11:20 +1000, Maurice Helwig wrote:
I am confused and not quite sure what to do. I know that I do not want 6+ computers all playing up on me. Turn off updating then. |
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mechanic wrote:
On Tue, 6 Feb 2018 15:11:20 +1000, Maurice Helwig wrote: I am confused and not quite sure what to do. I know that I do not want 6+ computers all playing up on me. Turn off updating then. If these machines have Intel CPUs, I would allow the patches to install. It's the AMD CPU situation that is twitchy. And I still don't see a problem installing for that one, as long as you install the mitigation they made for the AMD problems they caused, first. The only AMD machine I have here currently that is worth testing, is cut off from updates anyway, so I haven't been testing these intentionally or unintentionally. What the mitigations to date would likely give you, is the browser patches for Javascript vulnerabilities (timing attacks). And I think that's an excellent place to start. Keep your browsers updated. I just can't keep track of the rest of it, and figure out what is switched on or off at the moment. One of the reasons for being relaxed at the moment, is a lack of attacks in the wild. I guess it takes time to write good ones. The guy on twitter was able to scan memory that should not have been accessible, but it remains to be seen how they can make use of that. Scan entire memory for bank password ? Sounds like a low probability of success to me. Paul |
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Should I install KB4056894
On 05/02/2018 23:17, Maurice Helwig wrote:
Well it is now February 6 th. Should I install KB4056894. What is everyone doing other than waiting. If I hide the update will it be presented again or included in the February update rollup. I look after 6 computers besides my own and I do not need problems. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Why are you expecting problems?? -- Brian Gregory (in England). |
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On 07/02/2018 01:28, Brian Gregory wrote:
On 05/02/2018 23:17, Maurice Helwig wrote: Well it is now February 6 th. Should I install KB4056894. What is everyone doing other than waiting. If I hide the update will it be presented again or included in the February update rollup. I look after 6 computers besides my own and I do not need problems. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Why are you expecting problems?? He was misinformed by that dick head "Good Guy". |
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Should I install KB4056894
On 7/02/2018 11:28 AM, Brian Gregory wrote:
On 05/02/2018 23:17, Maurice Helwig wrote: Well it is now February 6 th. Should I install KB4056894. What is everyone doing other than waiting. If I hide the update will it be presented again or included in the February update rollup. I look after 6 computers besides my own and I do not need problems. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Why are you expecting problems?? Distinct possibility -- read https://www.askwoody.com/category/mi...ches-security/ I do mot Trust MS updates anymore. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Maurice Helwig ~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
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Should I install KB4056894
On 6/02/2018 9:01 PM, mechanic wrote:
On Tue, 6 Feb 2018 15:11:20 +1000, Maurice Helwig wrote: I am confused and not quite sure what to do. I know that I do not want 6+ computers all playing up on me. Turn off updating then. I am tempted to do that -- very tempted -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Maurice Helwig ~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
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Should I install KB4056894
On 6/02/2018 11:52 PM, Paul wrote:
If these machines have Intel CPUs, I would allow the patches to install. It's the AMD CPU situation that is twitchy. And I still don't see a problem installing for that one, as long as you install the mitigation they made for the AMD problems they caused, first. The only AMD machine I have here currently that is worth testing, is cut off from updates anyway, so I haven't been testing these intentionally or unintentionally. What the mitigations to date would likely give you, is the browser patches for Javascript vulnerabilities (timing attacks). And I think that's an excellent place to start. Keep your browsers updated. I just can't keep track of the rest of it, and figure out what is switched on or off at the moment. One of the reasons for being relaxed at the moment, is a lack of attacks in the wild. I guess it takes time to write good ones. The guy on twitter was able to scan memory that should not have been accessible, but it remains to be seen how they can make use of that. Scan entire memory for bank password ? Sounds like a low probability of success to me. Â*Â* Paul Thanks Paul for your insights -- there is certainly plenty of confusion out there which leads me to feel that there is confusion in MS and Intel too. Why they did not hold off until a properly tested fix had been developed and tested for all platforms, I do not know. I wonder how much confusion still remains? A lot I would guess with more fixes to come....... -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Maurice Helwig ~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
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Should I install KB4056894
On 07/02/2018 03:40, Maurice Helwig wrote:
On 7/02/2018 11:28 AM, Brian Gregory wrote: On 05/02/2018 23:17, Maurice Helwig wrote: Well it is now February 6 th. Should I install KB4056894. What is everyone doing other than waiting. If I hide the update will it be presented again or included in the February update rollup. I look after 6 computers besides my own and I do not need problems. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Why are you expecting problems?? Distinct possibility -- read https://www.askwoody.com/category/mi...ches-security/ I do mot Trust MS updates anymore. I do not trust Woody. -- Brian Gregory (in England). |
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Should I install KB4056894
Brian Gregory wrote:
On 07/02/2018 03:40, Maurice Helwig wrote: On 7/02/2018 11:28 AM, Brian Gregory wrote: On 05/02/2018 23:17, Maurice Helwig wrote: Well it is now February 6 th. Should I install KB4056894. What is everyone doing other than waiting. If I hide the update will it be presented again or included in the February update rollup. I look after 6 computers besides my own and I do not need problems. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Why are you expecting problems?? Distinct possibility -- read https://www.askwoody.com/category/mi...ches-security/ I do mot Trust MS updates anymore. I do not trust Woody. You don't have to trust Woody. What you do have to trust, is the evidence trail. When "Cameo" here got bricked on an update to his AMD system, what words of condolence would you offer "Cameo" ? "MS is always right" ? Well, obviously not. Paul |
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