Mozilla Thunderbird

Well much as I like the newsreader part of this program and would like to
keep it I find it impossible to get Email to function. I have tried various
ways to set up a mail account to no avail.
I am using Shaw mail as my ISP and they were not able to help, They said I
should use Webmail which I did and it works fine but then I have to use 2
Apps to do email and newsgroups.
TB sets my SMTP port to 583 or some such and I am positive it is 25 which I
have always used, If I get it sort of working it receives some emails but
not all but will not send.
Error is the mail server returned an invalid response +pop.shaw.mail.ca or
some such.
I have run out of patience with it and deleted it and reinstalled Windows
Live Mail which works like a charm.
By The Way I am running Windows * with classic shell and kind of like it as
I get the hang of some of its features
If anyone has A cure for Tbird I may try it again later on But I also read
on WWW that they are no longer developing it so it may also become a
dead-end.

Regards, Rene

"Rene Lamontagne" wrote in message ...

Well much as I like the newsreader part of this program and would like to
keep it I find it impossible to get Email to function. I have tried various
ways to set up a mail account to no avail.
I am using Shaw mail as my ISP and they were not able to help, They said I
should use Webmail which I did and it works fine but then I have to use 2
Apps to do email and newsgroups.
TB sets my SMTP port to 583 or some such and I am positive it is 25 which I
have always used, If I get it sort of working it receives some emails but
not all but will not send.
Error is the mail server returned an invalid response +pop.shaw.mail.ca or
some such.
I have run out of patience with it and deleted it and reinstalled Windows
Live Mail which works like a charm.
By The Way I am running Windows * with classic shell and kind of like it as
I get the hang of some of its features
If anyone has A cure for Tbird I may try it again later on But I also read
on WWW that they are no longer developing it so it may also become a
dead-end.

Regards, Rene

Forgot to add Windows Live mail 2012

And it is Windows 8 (that’s what happens when your looking at the keyboard
and not the Screen) :-))

Rene

On Thu, 01 Nov 2012 09:27:57 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

I have run out of patience with it and deleted it and reinstalled
Windows Live Mail which works like a charm.

No, it does not. It does not have *a clue* on how to do quoting in
messages. Look at your own reply to your OP to see what I mean. Imagine
trying to follow a thread with several people using WLM and a mix of top-
and bottom-posting. Unreadable!

It is a terrible application.

--
sam

Rene Lamontagne wrote:


"Rene Lamontagne" wrote in message
...

Well much as I like the newsreader part of this program and would like to
keep it I find it impossible to get Email to function. I have tried various
ways to set up a mail account to no avail.
I am using Shaw mail as my ISP and they were not able to help, They said I
should use Webmail which I did and it works fine but then I have to use 2
Apps to do email and newsgroups.
TB sets my SMTP port to 583 or some such and I am positive it is 25 which I
have always used, If I get it sort of working it receives some emails but
not all but will not send.
Error is the mail server returned an invalid response +pop.shaw.mail.ca or
some such.
I have run out of patience with it and deleted it and reinstalled Windows
Live Mail which works like a charm.
By The Way I am running Windows * with classic shell and kind of like it as
I get the hang of some of its features
If anyone has A cure for Tbird I may try it again later on But I also read
on WWW that they are no longer developing it so it may also become a
dead-end.

Regards, Rene

Forgot to add Windows Live mail 2012

And it is Windows 8 (that’s what happens when your looking at the
keyboard and not the Screen) :-))

Rene


I've been using Tbird for years; successfully. And updates are still
happening, so it's under good support.
Install it again; post ongoing problems here, and we'll help the best we
can.

Ed

On 11/1/2012 7:18 AM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
Well much as I like the newsreader part of this program and would like to
keep it I find it impossible to get Email to function. I have tried various
ways to set up a mail account to no avail.
I am using Shaw mail as my ISP and they were not able to help, They said I
should use Webmail which I did and it works fine but then I have to use 2
Apps to do email and newsgroups.
TB sets my SMTP port to 583 or some such and I am positive it is 25 which I
have always used, If I get it sort of working it receives some emails but
not all but will not send.
Error is the mail server returned an invalid response +pop.shaw.mail.ca or
some such.
I have run out of patience with it and deleted it and reinstalled Windows
Live Mail which works like a charm.
By The Way I am running Windows * with classic shell and kind of like it as
I get the hang of some of its features
If anyone has A cure for Tbird I may try it again later on But I also read
on WWW that they are no longer developing it so it may also become a
dead-end.

Regards, Rene

This response is from TBird 16.0.1 and Win8.

On 11/1/2012 10:47 AM, Sam Hill wrote:
On Thu, 01 Nov 2012 09:27:57 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

I have run out of patience with it and deleted it and reinstalled
Windows Live Mail which works like a charm.

No, it does not. It does not have *a clue* on how to do quoting in
messages. Look at your own reply to your OP to see what I mean. Imagine
trying to follow a thread with several people using WLM and a mix of top-
and bottom-posting. Unreadable!

It is a terrible application.

I have been using Thunderbird (16.0.2 as of this morning) for years both
for mail and newsgroups. It works well and quoting is satisfactory. I
hope this post will not prove me wrong :-)

--
Jim Silverton (Potomac, MD)

Extraneous "not" in Reply To.

"Sam Hill" wrote in message ...

On Thu, 01 Nov 2012 09:27:57 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

I have run out of patience with it and deleted it and reinstalled
Windows Live Mail which works like a charm.

No, it does not. It does not have *a clue* on how to do quoting in
messages. Look at your own reply to your OP to see what I mean. Imagine
trying to follow a thread with several people using WLM and a mix of top-
and bottom-posting. Unreadable!

It is a terrible application.

--
sam
I KNOW THAT, What I meant was that it set up My Email and newsgroups Like A
Charm..... And if you have any USEFUL ideas feel free to post them.
Rene

Rene Lamontagne wrote:
Well much as I like the newsreader part of this program and would like to
keep it I find it impossible to get Email to function. I have tried various
ways to set up a mail account to no avail.
I am using Shaw mail as my ISP and they were not able to help, They said I
should use Webmail which I did and it works fine but then I have to use 2
Apps to do email and newsgroups.
TB sets my SMTP port to 583 or some such and I am positive it is 25 which I
have always used, If I get it sort of working it receives some emails but
not all but will not send.
Error is the mail server returned an invalid response +pop.shaw.mail.ca or
some such.
I have run out of patience with it and deleted it and reinstalled Windows
Live Mail which works like a charm.
By The Way I am running Windows * with classic shell and kind of like it as
I get the hang of some of its features
If anyone has A cure for Tbird I may try it again later on But I also read
on WWW that they are no longer developing it so it may also become a
dead-end.

You can set all the mail and news parameters within Thunderbird,
including the SMTP port. I am using an old version of Thunderbird, so
your display may be different, but on mine, if I scroll to the bottom of
the account listing window, there is a selection for "Outgoing Server
(SMTP)." Click on that and you will be presented with a list of your
active SMTP servers and their parameters. Select the one you want to
change and click on Edit. Fill in the server information and desired port.
--
Crash

I always thought Mensa was a Japanese import.

On Thu, 1 Nov 2012 14:47:24 +0000 (UTC), Sam Hill
wrote:

On Thu, 01 Nov 2012 09:27:57 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

I have run out of patience with it and deleted it and reinstalled
Windows Live Mail which works like a charm.

No, it does not. It does not have *a clue* on how to do quoting in
messages. Look at your own reply to your OP to see what I mean. Imagine
trying to follow a thread with several people using WLM and a mix of top-
and bottom-posting. Unreadable!

It is a terrible application.


Ditto! A very big ditto! In my opinion, it is the absolute *worst*
e-mail/newsreader program ever released.

Rene, you should be aware that if you use Windows 11 to post messages
here and in other newsgroups, you will soon find yourself on the
killfiles of many of us here. I don't killfile Windows Live Mail
posters because they are trolls or because I don't want to read what
they post; I killfile them because I *can not* read what they post,
and trying to do so is just a waste of my time.



--
Ken Blake

On Thu, 1 Nov 2012 10:15:50 -0500, "Rene Lamontagne"
wrote:



"Sam Hill" wrote in message ...

On Thu, 01 Nov 2012 09:27:57 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

I have run out of patience with it and deleted it and reinstalled
Windows Live Mail which works like a charm.

No, it does not. It does not have *a clue* on how to do quoting in
messages. Look at your own reply to your OP to see what I mean. Imagine
trying to follow a thread with several people using WLM and a mix of top-
and bottom-posting. Unreadable!

It is a terrible application.

--
sam
I KNOW THAT, What I meant was that it set up My Email and newsgroups Like A
Charm..... And if you have any USEFUL ideas feel free to post them.
Rene

And then does not work right.

Your post went right after sam's sig line so Agent deleted
everything after it (as it should). Because your newsreader does not
work right, that took out your post as well. I had to cancel,
highlight your entire message, and try again to override this.

Your choice of newsreaders is causing us trouble. Are you hoping
to get any answers from the people you are antagonising?

I have already killfiled another WLM user for that reason.

Get a proper newsreader. I use Forte Agent which is a good one.
Others will probably suggest other good ones.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

"Ken Blake" wrote in message
...

On Thu, 1 Nov 2012 14:47:24 +0000 (UTC), Sam Hill
wrote:

On Thu, 01 Nov 2012 09:27:57 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

I have run out of patience with it and deleted it and reinstalled
Windows Live Mail which works like a charm.

No, it does not. It does not have *a clue* on how to do quoting in
messages. Look at your own reply to your OP to see what I mean. Imagine
trying to follow a thread with several people using WLM and a mix of top-
and bottom-posting. Unreadable!

It is a terrible application.


Ditto! A very big ditto! In my opinion, it is the absolute *worst*
e-mail/newsreader program ever released.

Rene, you should be aware that if you use Windows 11 to post messages
here and in other newsgroups, you will soon find yourself on the
killfiles of many of us here. I don't killfile Windows Live Mail
posters because they are trolls or because I don't want to read what
they post; I killfile them because I *can not* read what they post,
and trying to do so is just a waste of my time.



--
Ken Blake

Ken I agree that WLM can't quote properly but what can I do if I can't get
Mozilla to send Emails? I've tried every thing I know how to get it to work

--

Regards, Rene

Rene Lamontagne wrote:


"Ken Blake" wrote in message
...

On Thu, 1 Nov 2012 14:47:24 +0000 (UTC), Sam Hill
wrote:

On Thu, 01 Nov 2012 09:27:57 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

I have run out of patience with it and deleted it and reinstalled
Windows Live Mail which works like a charm.

No, it does not. It does not have *a clue* on how to do quoting in
messages. Look at your own reply to your OP to see what I mean.
Imagine trying to follow a thread with several people using WLM and
a mix of top- and bottom-posting. Unreadable!

It is a terrible application.


Ditto! A very big ditto! In my opinion, it is the absolute *worst*
e-mail/newsreader program ever released.

Rene, you should be aware that if you use Windows 11 to post messages
here and in other newsgroups, you will soon find yourself on the
killfiles of many of us here. I don't killfile Windows Live Mail
posters because they are trolls or because I don't want to read what
they post; I killfile them because I *can not* read what they post,
and trying to do so is just a waste of my time.




Oops! I lost your comment. Let's see if I can rescue it somehow... There
it is! Hang on while I cobble this together:

Ken I agree that WLM can't quote properly but what can I do if I
can't get Mozilla to send Emails? I've tried every thing I know how
to get it to work

Okay. Bull. I use Thunderbird 2 to send and receive POP3/SMTP mail using
three different servers. You just have to set it up properly. To copy my
other post, which you seem to have ignored,

"You can set all the mail and news parameters within Thunderbird,
including the SMTP port. I am using an old version of Thunderbird, so
your display may be different, but on mine, if I scroll to the bottom of
the account listing window, there is a selection for "Outgoing Server
(SMTP)." Click on that and you will be presented with a list of your
active SMTP servers and their parameters. Select the one you want to
change and click on Edit. Fill in the server information and desired port."

--
Crash

"It is not necessary to change. Survival is not mandatory."
~ W. Edwards Deming ~

On 11/1/2012 11:50 AM, Dave "Crash" Dummy wrote:
Rene Lamontagne wrote:
Well much as I like the newsreader part of this program and would like to
keep it I find it impossible to get Email to function. I have tried
various
ways to set up a mail account to no avail.
I am using Shaw mail as my ISP and they were not able to help, They
said I
should use Webmail which I did and it works fine but then I have to use 2
Apps to do email and newsgroups.
TB sets my SMTP port to 583 or some such and I am positive it is 25
which I
have always used, If I get it sort of working it receives some emails but
not all but will not send.
Error is the mail server returned an invalid response
+pop.shaw.mail.ca or
some such.
I have run out of patience with it and deleted it and reinstalled Windows
Live Mail which works like a charm.
By The Way I am running Windows * with classic shell and kind of like
it as
I get the hang of some of its features
If anyone has A cure for Tbird I may try it again later on But I also
read
on WWW that they are no longer developing it so it may also become a
dead-end.

You can set all the mail and news parameters within Thunderbird,
including the SMTP port. I am using an old version of Thunderbird, so
your display may be different, but on mine, if I scroll to the bottom of
the account listing window, there is a selection for "Outgoing Server
(SMTP)." Click on that and you will be presented with a list of your
active SMTP servers and their parameters. Select the one you want to
change and click on Edit. Fill in the server information and desired port.


OK Dave that's where I'm stuck I click on SMTP outgoing server and click
on one of the entries But I do not get an Edit Option and can't change
port number, I am using 16.0.1 version.

Thanks, Rene

On 01/11/12 17:52, Dave "Crash" Dummy wrote:


if I scroll to the bottom of the account listing window, there is a selection for "Outgoing Server
(SMTP)." Click on that and you will be presented with a list of your
active SMTP servers and their parameters. Select the one you want to
change and click on Edit. Fill in the server information and desired port."


Still there in TBird 16.0.2....

On 11/1/2012 11:55 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Thu, 1 Nov 2012 14:47:24 +0000 (UTC), Sam Hill
wrote:

On Thu, 01 Nov 2012 09:27:57 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

I have run out of patience with it and deleted it and reinstalled
Windows Live Mail which works like a charm.

No, it does not. It does not have *a clue* on how to do quoting in
messages. Look at your own reply to your OP to see what I mean. Imagine
trying to follow a thread with several people using WLM and a mix of top-
and bottom-posting. Unreadable!

It is a terrible application.


Ditto! A very big ditto! In my opinion, it is the absolute *worst*
e-mail/newsreader program ever released.

Rene, you should be aware that if you use Windows 11 to post messages
here and in other newsgroups, you will soon find yourself on the
killfiles of many of us here. I don't killfile Windows Live Mail
posters because they are trolls or because I don't want to read what
they post; I killfile them because I *can not* read what they post,
and trying to do so is just a waste of my time.





Hi Ken, I am using Tbird now for newsgroups for which it is marvelous
and easy to read and follow ngs, My problem is I can't get Email to
work, I have spent many hours on this and I guess I am getting
frustrated. Not trying to PO anybody, so any help would be welcome.
As you can see from my reply to Crash dummy I cannot edit SMTP port
info, any Pointers appreciated as I don't want to have to use two
different programs for mail and newsgroups.

Regards, Rene