Win8 licence key

On 11/7/2012 9:00 PM, ..winston wrote:

"Zaphod Beeblebrox" wrote in message
...

On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 14:05:56 +0000, "Ed Cryer"
wrote in article ...

I got my new Win8 Pro.
What's the story on using it? If I install it in a virtual environment,
will that be it? My one and only licence used up?


Yup. However, as long as it is a Retail license and not an OEM
license, you can move that license from the virtual environment to a
physical PC if you like.

Technically...
There are no full retail licenses for Win8 like there were for Win7 and
earlier. In the past retail versions of Windows and OEM System Builder
version were available.

For Win8 there are
- OEM (preinstalled by the OEM on pc's sold to the end customer) - 32
or 64 bit
- Retail (only upgrades) - 32 and 64 bit
- Personal Use (System Builder 32 or 64 bit)

Thus the only licenses in MSFT terms/speak for virtual or partition use
are the latter (System Builder) but only one copy in use at a time.

As noted previously, none of the above precludes the technical ability
(not legality) to achieve some other end means.


In some cases in the past (don't know about current ones) locales in the
US had what was called a sheriff's sale of abandoned or tax due property
or items. Such a sale transferred complete ownership of the property to
the purchasers. Since the property is sold by "absolute" sale, it would
seem to make the license restrictions not applicable. (It had been known
to happen in the past.)

"charlie" wrote in message ...


In some cases in the past (don't know about current ones) locales in the
US had what was called a sheriff's sale of abandoned or tax due property
or items. Such a sale transferred complete ownership of the property to
the purchasers. Since the property is sold by "absolute" sale, it would
seem to make the license restrictions not applicable. (It had been known
to happen in the past.)


No. Acquisition doesn't preempt legality of licensing since the sale/transfer recipient inherits the constraints agreed upon on
installation/use of the prior owner and in doing so does not provide a waiver of liability. The difficulty arises when the
recipient cannot determine or not aware of the foundation of the prior agreement - yet inability or ignorance is not sufficient to
invalidate the previous agreement thus the licensor continues to have the right to require conformance to the licensing use
constraints. Enforcement of that right then remains the responsibility of the licensor and conformance to the license the
responsibility of the licensee.

As noted previously, none of the above precludes the technical ability (not legality) to achieve some other end means.

....winston
msft mvp

On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 16:08:30 -0500, "Dave "Crash" Dummy"
wrote in article k7eike$cid$1@dont-
email.me...

Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
http://lifehacker.com/5958507/uninst...roduct-key-so-
you-can-use-the-license-on-another-pc

Unwrapped:
http://lifehacker.com/5958507/uninst...-on-another-pc
http://tinyurl.com/d2jqluu

Thanks. I have no idea how to do that on my newsreader (Gravity). I
also don't trust shortened URLs, so I don't offer them to others (I
know, that probably puts me in a tiny minority and likely means I'm too
paranoid for my own good, but as they say: You aren't being paranoid
if they really are out to get you...)

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On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 22:52:34 +0000, "Ed Cryer"
wrote in article ...

Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 16:25:19 +0000, "Ed Cryer"
wrote in article ...

Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 14:05:56 +0000, "Ed Cryer"
wrote in article ...

I got my new Win8 Pro.
What's the story on using it? If I install it in a virtual environment,
will that be it? My one and only licence used up?

Ed

Yup. However, as long as it is a Retail license and not an OEM
license, you can move that license from the virtual environment to a
physical PC if you like.


How do I do that?


http://lifehacker.com/5958507/uninst...roduct-key-so-
you-can-use-the-license-on-another-pc


Cool!

What would happen to the system then? I suppose it would go into
"illegal copy of Windows" mode.


It probably depends on how long it has been since the last time the key
was validated. As I understand it, there is a reset period after which
MS will validate the key without complaint on completely different
hardware.

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years in a row.

Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 16:08:30 -0500, "Dave "Crash" Dummy"
wrote in article k7eike$cid$1@dont-
email.me...
Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
http://lifehacker.com/5958507/uninst...roduct-key-so-
you-can-use-the-license-on-another-pc
Unwrapped:
http://lifehacker.com/5958507/uninst...-on-another-pc
http://tinyurl.com/d2jqluu

Thanks. I have no idea how to do that on my newsreader (Gravity). I
also don't trust shortened URLs, so I don't offer them to others (I
know, that probably puts me in a tiny minority and likely means I'm
too paranoid for my own good, but as they say: You aren't being
paranoid if they really are out to get you...)


Tiny URL has a "preview" version that shows the target URL and needs
verification to forward the request.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/d2jqluu
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Crash

Atheism is a matter of faith, too.

On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 09:12:26 -0500, "Dave "Crash" Dummy"
wrote in article k7gekb$chv$1@dont-
email.me...

Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 16:08:30 -0500, "Dave "Crash" Dummy"
wrote in article k7eike$cid$1@dont-
email.me...
Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
http://lifehacker.com/5958507/uninst...roduct-key-so-
you-can-use-the-license-on-another-pc
Unwrapped:
http://lifehacker.com/5958507/uninst...-on-another-pc
http://tinyurl.com/d2jqluu

Thanks. I have no idea how to do that on my newsreader (Gravity). I
also don't trust shortened URLs, so I don't offer them to others (I
know, that probably puts me in a tiny minority and likely means I'm
too paranoid for my own good, but as they say: You aren't being
paranoid if they really are out to get you...)


Tiny URL has a "preview" version that shows the target URL and needs
verification to forward the request.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/d2jqluu

Good to know that (I think I had seen that before but had forgotten
about it), but I can't remember the last time I've seen someone use the
preview URL. Of course, there are a lot of other URL shortening
services besides tinyurl that I've seen, and have not seen preview
versions of those in use either.

Again, I know I'm in the minority and likely overly paranoid, but I'm
OK with that. :-)

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Adventurer, ex-hippie, good-timer (crook? quite possibly),
manic self-publicist, terrible bad at personal relationships,
often thought to be completely out to lunch.

Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 09:12:26 -0500, "Dave "Crash" Dummy"
wrote in article k7gekb$chv$1@dont-
email.me...
Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 16:08:30 -0500, "Dave "Crash" Dummy"
wrote in article k7eike$cid$1@dont-
email.me...
Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
http://lifehacker.com/5958507/uninst...roduct-key-so-
you-can-use-the-license-on-another-pc
Unwrapped:
http://lifehacker.com/5958507/uninst...-on-another-pc
http://tinyurl.com/d2jqluu
Thanks. I have no idea how to do that on my newsreader (Gravity). I
also don't trust shortened URLs, so I don't offer them to others (I
know, that probably puts me in a tiny minority and likely means I'm
too paranoid for my own good, but as they say: You aren't being
paranoid if they really are out to get you...)

Tiny URL has a "preview" version that shows the target URL and needs
verification to forward the request.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/d2jqluu

Good to know that (I think I had seen that before but had forgotten
about it), but I can't remember the last time I've seen someone use the
preview URL. Of course, there are a lot of other URL shortening
services besides tinyurl that I've seen, and have not seen preview
versions of those in use either.

Again, I know I'm in the minority and likely overly paranoid, but I'm
OK with that. :-)

Then don't post broken URL's.
--
Crash

"Never apologize. It's a sign of weakness."
~ Leroy Jethro Gibbs ~

On 08-Nov-2012 10:56, Dave "Crash" Dummy wrote:
Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 09:12:26 -0500, "Dave "Crash" Dummy"
wrote in article k7gekb$chv$1@dont-
email.me...
Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 16:08:30 -0500, "Dave "Crash" Dummy"
wrote in article k7eike$cid$1@dont-
email.me...
Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
http://lifehacker.com/5958507/uninst...roduct-key-so-
you-can-use-the-license-on-another-pc
Unwrapped:
http://lifehacker.com/5958507/uninst...-on-another-pc

http://tinyurl.com/d2jqluu
Thanks. I have no idea how to do that on my newsreader (Gravity). I
also don't trust shortened URLs, so I don't offer them to others (I
know, that probably puts me in a tiny minority and likely means I'm
too paranoid for my own good, but as they say: You aren't being
paranoid if they really are out to get you...)

Tiny URL has a "preview" version that shows the target URL and needs
verification to forward the request.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/d2jqluu

Good to know that (I think I had seen that before but had forgotten
about it), but I can't remember the last time I've seen someone use
the preview URL. Of course, there are a lot of other URL shortening
services besides tinyurl that I've seen, and have not seen preview
versions of those in use either.

Again, I know I'm in the minority and likely overly paranoid, but I'm
OK with that. :-)

Then don't post broken URL's.

+1

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On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 10:56:53 -0500, "Dave "Crash" Dummy"
wrote in article k7gko5$iun$1@dont-
email.me...

Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 09:12:26 -0500, "Dave "Crash" Dummy"
wrote in article k7gekb$chv$1@dont-
email.me...
Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 16:08:30 -0500, "Dave "Crash" Dummy"
wrote in article k7eike$cid$1@dont-
email.me...
Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
http://lifehacker.com/5958507/uninst...roduct-key-so-
you-can-use-the-license-on-another-pc
Unwrapped:
http://lifehacker.com/5958507/uninst...-on-another-pc
http://tinyurl.com/d2jqluu
Thanks. I have no idea how to do that on my newsreader (Gravity). I
also don't trust shortened URLs, so I don't offer them to others (I
know, that probably puts me in a tiny minority and likely means I'm
too paranoid for my own good, but as they say: You aren't being
paranoid if they really are out to get you...)

Tiny URL has a "preview" version that shows the target URL and needs
verification to forward the request.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/d2jqluu

Good to know that (I think I had seen that before but had forgotten
about it), but I can't remember the last time I've seen someone use the
preview URL. Of course, there are a lot of other URL shortening
services besides tinyurl that I've seen, and have not seen preview
versions of those in use either.

Again, I know I'm in the minority and likely overly paranoid, but I'm
OK with that. :-)

Then don't post broken URL's.

Seriously? If someone can't figure out how to join a URL broken across
two lines, then I feel sorry for them but I'm not going to worry about
it.

--
Zaphod

Voted "Worst Dressed Sentient Being in the Known Universe" for seven
years in a row.

"Dave \"Crash\" Dummy" wrote:

Then don't post broken URL's.

There's no such thing as a broken URL to a decent newsreader... oh,
wait, you're using Thunderburp.... GD&R


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On 11/08/2012, XS11E posted:
"Dave \"Crash\" Dummy" wrote:

Then don't post broken URL's.

There's no such thing as a broken URL to a decent newsreader... oh,
wait, you're using Thunderburp.... GD&R

It was broken in Dialog & MesNews too.

I suspect it was sent in pieces.

There are those who say if you put angle brackets around a link it
won't break, as in this test (using ZB's original):

http://lifehacker.com/5958507/uninstall-your-windows-product-key-so-you-can-use-the-license-on-another-pc

"Angle brackets" is what I call greater and less than signs when they
are used as...well, angle brackets. Comes from physics, e.g., bra and
ket.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

Gene E. Bloch wrote:

On 11/08/2012, XS11E posted:
"Dave \"Crash\" Dummy" wrote:

Then don't post broken URL's.

There's no such thing as a broken URL to a decent newsreader...
oh, wait, you're using Thunderburp.... GD&R

It was broken in Dialog & MesNews too.

I suspect it was sent in pieces.

It was, Xnews read it with no problem, just one more reason I use it.


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Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:

On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 10:52:56 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch"
"Angle brackets" is what I call greater and less than signs when
they are used as...well, angle brackets. Comes from physics,
e.g., bra and ket.

I think I tried that but just in case:

http://lifehacker.com/5958507/uninst...-product-key-s
o- you-can-use-the-license-on-another-pc

Didn't work, arrived wrapped. As always, not a problem for Xnews....



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The retail licence can be used on a single computer until you want to keep
using Win8. But only on one computer. 10 cold die on you but you can use it
on number 11, but not if it is left on any of the previous 10. An OEM
licence on a brand-name PC (Dell, HP, etc.) can only be used on the PC it
came installed on. Changing the motherboard would require a reactivation
that will fail. You'll have to buy a new licence unless you can convince
Microsoft on the phone that it's the same PC with a new motherboard.

Product Activation - http://www.pcbuyerbeware.co.uk/ProductActivation.htm


"Ed Cryer" wrote in message
...
I'm thinking of buying a copy of Win8 while it's still cheap. I won't use
it until necessary as I like Win7.

How long will the key last for an install?

Ed

On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 21:17:14 -0000, "Gadfly"
wrote:

The retail licence can be used on a single computer until you want to keep
using Win8. But only on one computer. 10 cold die on you but you can use it
on number 11, but not if it is left on any of the previous 10. An OEM
licence on a brand-name PC (Dell, HP, etc.) can only be used on the PC it
came installed on. Changing the motherboard would require a reactivation
that will fail. You'll have to buy a new licence unless you can convince
Microsoft on the phone that it's the same PC with a new motherboard.


Microsoft doesn't want to be convinced of that. As far as they're
concerned, if it's a different motherboard, it's a different computer.


--
Ken Blake