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Old March 6th 14, 02:35 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Default MUST I use TWO Memory Sticks?

This computer (Compaq 5400US) came with two 128M Ram sticks, for a total
of 256m. The computer maximum allowed RAM is 512M. I want to upgrade
to that maximum. There are only 2 slots. I can install TWO 256m
sticks. But can I install just ONE 512m stick?

Finding memory for this machine is a challenge in itself. It needs
168pin - Low density - PC133 SDRAM. Trying to locate using charts
provided by the memory companies all show ONLY up to 256m, and they want
$20 or more per stick. I'm planning to build a more powerful computer,
but this old relic runs, and seems to work well. So, for now it will
do.

But I'm not sticking $40 or more into it. However, I have found on ebay
some used RAM, buy it now, Two 512m sticks of 168pin - Low density -
PC133 SDRAM, for about $10 incl. shipping. Although I can only use one
of them, the price is right, and I'll have a spare.

But I'm not 100% sure if I can use just one 512m sticks, or MUST I use
TWO 256m sticks?


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Old March 6th 14, 03:32 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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wrote:
This computer (Compaq 5400US) came with two 128M Ram sticks, for a total
of 256m. The computer maximum allowed RAM is 512M. I want to upgrade
to that maximum. There are only 2 slots. I can install TWO 256m
sticks. But can I install just ONE 512m stick?

Finding memory for this machine is a challenge in itself. It needs
168pin - Low density - PC133 SDRAM. Trying to locate using charts
provided by the memory companies all show ONLY up to 256m, and they want
$20 or more per stick. I'm planning to build a more powerful computer,
but this old relic runs, and seems to work well. So, for now it will
do.

But I'm not sticking $40 or more into it. However, I have found on ebay
some used RAM, buy it now, Two 512m sticks of 168pin - Low density -
PC133 SDRAM, for about $10 incl. shipping. Although I can only use one
of them, the price is right, and I'll have a spare.

But I'm not 100% sure if I can use just one 512m sticks, or MUST I use
TWO 256m sticks?



I answered your question in a previous posting.

815E chipset (which is an 815 with an ICH2 Southbridge)
has an artificial limitation of 512MB. Intel did that for
market differentiation, so the 815 was intended for "value"
platforms. This is different than VIA Technology of the day,
who did not mind it if a value computer supported 1.5GB total.

Suggested RAM (select speed as per what worked before)

512MB module - 16 chips (ones with 8 chips, might not exist)
256MB module - 8 chips or 16 chips total

Due to the 512MB "total" limit of 815 Northbridge, you can use

1x512MB (16 chips on the DIMM) - contents of other slot ignored

or you can use

2x256MB (8 chip or 16 chip PC133 should be OK per DIMM)

With the 512MB DIMM, you'd be leaving a slot blank.

(PDF page 11)
http://download.intel.com/design/chi...s/29835102.pdf

Integrated SDRAM Controller

* 32 MB to 512 MB using 16-Mb/64-Mb/128-Mb/256-Mb technology

Page 140 shows usage of 32Mx8 chips is supported (which is a 256-Mb chip).
Sixteen chips at 32Mx8 is a 512MB DIMM. Which is the largest supported.

The only thing "anomalous" about that chipset, is the
invention of an artificial limit. It's a four bank (two slot)
design, and so it should have supported a grand total of
1024MB as 2x512MB DIMMs. But due to the Northbridge capping
memory decodes at 512MB, then under certain conditions (1x512MB),
the other slot becomes effectively useless. If you stuck
512MB + 128MB in the board, it still reports 512MB in the BIOS.
It's like the other stick isn't even there.

Paul
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Old March 6th 14, 04:37 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 19:35:05 -0600, wrote:

This computer (Compaq 5400US) came with two 128M Ram sticks, for a total
of 256m. The computer maximum allowed RAM is 512M. I want to upgrade
to that maximum. There are only 2 slots. I can install TWO 256m
sticks. But can I install just ONE 512m stick?


It hasn't always been true that one always needs two matching sticks,
but I don't know details.

I hesitate to write what I've written below. Maybe it should just be
considered wild-eyed imagination and not a suggestion that it applies
here. When ti did apply, it was a total memory of 1.5 gig instead of
the suposed maximum of 1. a 50% increase. For you it would be 1 gig
instead of 512, a 100% increase, or possibly a 50% increase and a 50%
failure to increase.

Finding memory for this machine is a challenge in itself. It needs
168pin - Low density - PC133 SDRAM. Trying to locate using charts
provided by the memory companies all show ONLY up to 256m, and they want
$20 or more per stick. I'm planning to build a more powerful computer,
but this old relic runs, and seems to work well. So, for now it will
do.

But I'm not sticking $40 or more into it. However, I have found on ebay
some used RAM, buy it now, Two 512m sticks of 168pin - Low density -
PC133 SDRAM, for about $10 incl. shipping. Although I can only use one
of them,


Is it absolutely for sure that you can only use one of them? In the
Dell newsgroup, I posted about buying a Dell Dimension 4400 that came
with 1.5 gigs of memory, in two slots. The Dell maven looked it up and
the computer manual said it could only take two 512 sticks. But the
previous owner put in one 512 and one 1gig. It reports that it has 1.5
gigs, but it's only been running for a week and the woman using it
doesn't know much, so it's not known if it is actually making use of the
1.5 gigs.

However the dell maven said it's better to look at the specs for the
CPU, I think it was, than for the computer, because the computer people
don't always know, especially when something, the chip, has been
improved.

So, unless someone says it will damage something, try putting in both.

the price is right, and I'll have a spare.

But I'm not 100% sure if I can use just one 512m sticks, or MUST I use
TWO 256m sticks?


Now that I don't know. I would be in the same quandary you are in.

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Old March 6th 14, 04:40 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Default MUST I use TWO Memory Sticks?

From:

This computer (Compaq 5400US) came with two 128M Ram sticks, for a total
of 256m. The computer maximum allowed RAM is 512M. I want to upgrade
to that maximum. There are only 2 slots. I can install TWO 256m
sticks. But can I install just ONE 512m stick?

Finding memory for this machine is a challenge in itself. It needs
168pin - Low density - PC133 SDRAM. Trying to locate using charts
provided by the memory companies all show ONLY up to 256m, and they want
$20 or more per stick. I'm planning to build a more powerful computer,
but this old relic runs, and seems to work well. So, for now it will
do.

But I'm not sticking $40 or more into it. However, I have found on ebay
some used RAM, buy it now, Two 512m sticks of 168pin - Low density -
PC133 SDRAM, for about $10 incl. shipping. Although I can only use one
of them, the price is right, and I'll have a spare.

But I'm not 100% sure if I can use just one 512m sticks, or MUST I use
TWO 256m sticks?


LOL - Garbage. Chuck it.

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Old March 6th 14, 04:53 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Default MUST I use TWO Memory Sticks?

On 06/03/2014 01:35, wrote:
This computer (Compaq 5400US) came with two 128M Ram sticks, for a total
of 256m. The computer maximum allowed RAM is 512M. I want to upgrade
to that maximum. There are only 2 slots. I can install TWO 256m
sticks. But can I install just ONE 512m stick?

Finding memory for this machine is a challenge in itself. It needs
168pin - Low density - PC133 SDRAM. Trying to locate using charts
provided by the memory companies all show ONLY up to 256m, and they want
$20 or more per stick. I'm planning to build a more powerful computer,
but this old relic runs, and seems to work well. So, for now it will
do.

But I'm not sticking $40 or more into it. However, I have found on ebay
some used RAM, buy it now, Two 512m sticks of 168pin - Low density -
PC133 SDRAM, for about $10 incl. shipping. Although I can only use one
of them, the price is right, and I'll have a spare.

But I'm not 100% sure if I can use just one 512m sticks, or MUST I use
TWO 256m sticks?



You should scrap this machine and buy a new one. This machine can't run
amy modern Applications and if the machine is for some serious work then
it is time to get a new one.

All the major brands have good deals on machines with minimum 4GB RAM
and Windows 8/8.1 preloaded. Go an get it and you will be amazed at the
efficiency of these new machines in terms of speed and energy
consumption. I~t will pay itself off in two years time and you will
become employable with latest knowledge of Windows .


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Old March 6th 14, 06:05 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Bill in Co
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Default MUST I use TWO Memory Sticks?

David H. Lipman wrote:
From:

This computer (Compaq 5400US) came with two 128M Ram sticks, for a total
of 256m. The computer maximum allowed RAM is 512M. I want to upgrade
to that maximum. There are only 2 slots. I can install TWO 256m
sticks. But can I install just ONE 512m stick?

Finding memory for this machine is a challenge in itself. It needs
168pin - Low density - PC133 SDRAM. Trying to locate using charts
provided by the memory companies all show ONLY up to 256m, and they want
$20 or more per stick. I'm planning to build a more powerful computer,
but this old relic runs, and seems to work well. So, for now it will
do.

But I'm not sticking $40 or more into it. However, I have found on ebay
some used RAM, buy it now, Two 512m sticks of 168pin - Low density -
PC133 SDRAM, for about $10 incl. shipping. Although I can only use one
of them, the price is right, and I'll have a spare.

But I'm not 100% sure if I can use just one 512m sticks, or MUST I use
TWO 256m sticks?


LOL - Garbage. Chuck it.


Well, he could probably get by ok with 512MB if he's using XP (assuming his
CPU speed is at least halfway decent). I hesitate to think what running XP
on 256MB would be like. :-)


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Old March 6th 14, 11:55 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On 3/5/2014 9:53 PM, Good Guy wrote:
You should scrap this machine and buy a new one. This machine can't run
amy modern Applications and if the machine is for some serious work then
it is time to get a new one.

All the major brands have good deals on machines with minimum 4GB RAM
and Windows 8/8.1 preloaded. Go an get it and you will be amazed at the
efficiency of these new machines in terms of speed and energy
consumption. I~t will pay itself off in two years time and you will
become employable with latest knowledge of Windows .


Really? Personally I like my older machines much better. The ones from
the 2006/7 era with dual cores are my favorites. They can run XP, Vista,
7, and 8 just fine. Newer machines can't run all of those versions. Plus
it is harder and harder to get 32 bit Windows in newer machines. They
all seem to want to push the 64 bit versions. Those 64 bit versions are
worthless to me, since all of my software is either 16 or 32 bit.

Heck this machine is less than 2 years old and I rather use my older
machines myself. These newer machines can't even play and record video
as well as my XP machines can. And quite frankly, these newer Windows
versions are not very special either. As I could be running XP just as
well and in some cases better off. :-)

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Old March 6th 14, 01:26 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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From: "Bill in Co"

David H. Lipman wrote:
From:

This computer (Compaq 5400US) came with two 128M Ram sticks, for a total
of 256m. The computer maximum allowed RAM is 512M. I want to upgrade
to that maximum. There are only 2 slots. I can install TWO 256m
sticks. But can I install just ONE 512m stick?

Finding memory for this machine is a challenge in itself. It needs
168pin - Low density - PC133 SDRAM. Trying to locate using charts
provided by the memory companies all show ONLY up to 256m, and they want
$20 or more per stick. I'm planning to build a more powerful computer,
but this old relic runs, and seems to work well. So, for now it will
do.

But I'm not sticking $40 or more into it. However, I have found on ebay
some used RAM, buy it now, Two 512m sticks of 168pin - Low density -
PC133 SDRAM, for about $10 incl. shipping. Although I can only use one
of them, the price is right, and I'll have a spare.

But I'm not 100% sure if I can use just one 512m sticks, or MUST I use
TWO 256m sticks?


LOL - Garbage. Chuck it.


Well, he could probably get by ok with 512MB if he's using XP (assuming his CPU speed is
at least halfway decent). I hesitate to think what running XP on 256MB would be like.
:-)


A system with a Max RAM 512MB is just a boat anchor. It mights say it supports WinXP but
it was "really designed for" Win9x/ME, NT4 and Win2K.

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Old March 6th 14, 07:19 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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In ,
David H. Lipman typed:
Well, he could probably get by ok with 512MB if he's using XP
(assuming his CPU speed is at least halfway decent). I hesitate to
think what running XP on 256MB would be like. :-)


A system with a Max RAM 512MB is just a boat anchor. It mights say
it supports WinXP but it was "really designed for" Win9x/ME, NT4 and
Win2K.


I wouldn't go that far. Sure I find XP with 1GB runs really well for
itself. And sure XP with 512MB will do some amount of noticeable
swapping. But I won't call it a boat anchor. What did the OP say
something like 20 bucks to beef it up with two 256MB used RAM cards? To
me that is well worth it if it means saving hundreds of dollars on
something newer.

Giving some more thought, a computer that can handle 512MB of RAM I
would guess would be a Celeron 400MHz or better. That would be plenty
for XP. Although a computer of that vintage could have as little as a
6GB hard drive. That would be very tight for XP SP2. Something like 30
or 60GB would be much better. So that might add some extra expense. But
I could be satisfied with such a system for the most part. ;-)

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Old March 7th 14, 01:18 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On Thu, 6 Mar 2014 12:19:11 -0600, "BillW50" wrote:


A system with a Max RAM 512MB is just a boat anchor. It mights say
it supports WinXP but it was "really designed for" Win9x/ME, NT4 and
Win2K.


I wouldn't go that far. Sure I find XP with 1GB runs really well for
itself. And sure XP with 512MB will do some amount of noticeable
swapping. But I won't call it a boat anchor. What did the OP say
something like 20 bucks to beef it up with two 256MB used RAM cards? To
me that is well worth it if it means saving hundreds of dollars on
something newer.

Giving some more thought, a computer that can handle 512MB of RAM I
would guess would be a Celeron 400MHz or better. That would be plenty
for XP. Although a computer of that vintage could have as little as a
6GB hard drive. That would be very tight for XP SP2. Something like 30
or 60GB would be much better. So that might add some extra expense. But
I could be satisfied with such a system for the most part. ;-)


Its a 1200mhz CPU. Compaq 5400us presario
It came with XP Home installerd. The label with the XP registration
number is on the case.
I ordered the two 512m ram sticks for $10. I'll use the extra one for
another computer. $5 is worth the upgrade cost. Plus I ordered a used
80g hard drive for $18.00. So for $23 total I got a computer newer and
faster than my Win98 one. The only other part I had t oinstall was
another CD drive, which I took out of another dead computer.

I do have a much faster machine to build up next. It's a 2ghz P4. It
was in a flood, so all the drives are shot, but the mainboard seems to
work. When I got it, it was all covered with mud. I hosed it really
well, and let it sit in the sun for a few weeks. I was rather surprised
it worked at all. The bios works fien, but the HD is shot, as well as
the CD drive. There was no floppy drive in it, but I'll put one. I
cant have a computer without a floppy drive. It's needed to boot them
from Dos to get em' going. That computer has 4gigs of ram in it.
Just for grins, i ripped the CD drive apart, and hosed all the mud out
of it yesterday. After it drys for a week, I'll give it a try..... I
have my doubts, but it dont hurt to try....


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Old March 7th 14, 01:23 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On Thu, 06 Mar 2014 03:53:35 +0000, Good Guy
wrote:

On 06/03/2014 01:35, wrote:
This computer (Compaq 5400US) came with two 128M Ram sticks, for a total
of 256m. The computer maximum allowed RAM is 512M. I want to upgrade
to that maximum. There are only 2 slots. I can install TWO 256m
sticks. But can I install just ONE 512m stick?

Finding memory for this machine is a challenge in itself. It needs
168pin - Low density - PC133 SDRAM. Trying to locate using charts
provided by the memory companies all show ONLY up to 256m, and they want
$20 or more per stick. I'm planning to build a more powerful computer,
but this old relic runs, and seems to work well. So, for now it will
do.

But I'm not sticking $40 or more into it. However, I have found on ebay
some used RAM, buy it now, Two 512m sticks of 168pin - Low density -
PC133 SDRAM, for about $10 incl. shipping. Although I can only use one
of them, the price is right, and I'll have a spare.

But I'm not 100% sure if I can use just one 512m sticks, or MUST I use
TWO 256m sticks?



You should scrap this machine and buy a new one. This machine can't run
amy modern Applications and if the machine is for some serious work then
it is time to get a new one.

As soon as I receive your check in the mail, I'll rush out to buy a new
one..... Let me know when you send it!

But if it comes with Vista or Win 7 or 8, I'd have to format the HD to
install XP. I have no use for any MS OS newer than XP.

Then again, if I was to buy a new computer, I'd likely buy a Macintosh.
I'm tired of trying to keep up with MS upgrades, and the OSs they quit
supporting.

All the major brands have good deals on machines with minimum 4GB RAM
and Windows 8/8.1 preloaded. Go an get it and you will be amazed at the
efficiency of these new machines in terms of speed and energy
consumption. I~t will pay itself off in two years time and you will
become employable with latest knowledge of Windows .


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Old March 7th 14, 01:30 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On Thu, 06 Mar 2014 04:55:22 -0600, BillW50 wrote:

Really? Personally I like my older machines much better. The ones from
the 2006/7 era with dual cores are my favorites. They can run XP, Vista,
7, and 8 just fine. Newer machines can't run all of those versions. Plus
it is harder and harder to get 32 bit Windows in newer machines. They
all seem to want to push the 64 bit versions. Those 64 bit versions are
worthless to me, since all of my software is either 16 or 32 bit.

Heck this machine is less than 2 years old and I rather use my older
machines myself. These newer machines can't even play and record video
as well as my XP machines can. And quite frankly, these newer Windows
versions are not very special either. As I could be running XP just as
well and in some cases better off. :-)

--
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I run almost ALL older software. Some is still Dos or Win3.x based,
most is for Win9x. I only had one dos prograsm thast refused to work in
Win2000, but it does work in XP.....

I own a computer to USE IT, not to keep upgrading it, and have to keep
relearning the software. I still prefer my old Win98 setup, and use
that most of the time. It does everything I need, except for web
browsing. There are no browsers that work right in 98 anymore. I blame
that HTML5 and the overuse of scripts for that problem....



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Old March 7th 14, 02:03 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 21:32:43 -0500, Paul wrote:


I answered your question in a previous posting.

815E chipset (which is an 815 with an ICH2 Southbridge)
has an artificial limitation of 512MB. Intel did that for
market differentiation, so the 815 was intended for "value"
platforms. This is different than VIA Technology of the day,
who did not mind it if a value computer supported 1.5GB total.


Thanks Paul. I must have missed this in another post. I did check out
what you suggested and think I haev it under control now (I hope).

Thanks 4 your help!

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Old March 7th 14, 08:32 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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In message , BillW50
writes:
In ,
David H. Lipman typed:
Well, he could probably get by ok with 512MB if he's using XP
(assuming his CPU speed is at least halfway decent). I hesitate to
think what running XP on 256MB would be like. :-)


Painful (and that's SP2). I watched my neighbour use it, and it spent so
much time swapping ...

A system with a Max RAM 512MB is just a boat anchor. It mights say
it supports WinXP but it was "really designed for" Win9x/ME, NT4 and
Win2K.


I wouldn't go that far. Sure I find XP with 1GB runs really well for
itself. And sure XP with 512MB will do some amount of noticeable
swapping. But I won't call it a boat anchor. What did the OP say


This (large netbook, SP3) came with 1G, and I rarely found myself using
more than about 7xxM, so it was well over a year before I got round to
fitting (changing it to - one stick only) the 2G I'd bought at the time
(I thought XP would be happier in 2G). Of course, I detected very little
difference. Even now, I only just top the 1G - 1.03 at the moment - and
that's because I tend to leave lots of tabs open (currently 49 or 50) in
Firefox.

The old 256M machine (Dell Optiplex GX1), which my neighbour gave me
when I finally persuaded her to get something newer, is now to my
surprise running quite sweetly - with SP3 - with me having put the RAM
up to 640 (according to Dell it can't use bigger than 256M sticks; I
bought a couple for 8.99 pounds).

something like 20 bucks to beef it up with two 256MB used RAM cards? To
me that is well worth it if it means saving hundreds of dollars on
something newer.


Yes, I'd agree, though it's getting marginal; someone at work's selling
a laptop with 2G/40G/dual core for 50 pounds. Apart from the drive size,
it's a good machine!

Giving some more thought, a computer that can handle 512MB of RAM I
would guess would be a Celeron 400MHz or better. That would be plenty
for XP. Although a computer of that vintage could have as little as a
6GB hard drive. That would be very tight for XP SP2. Something like 30
or 60GB would be much better. So that might add some extra expense. But
I could be satisfied with such a system for the most part. ;-)

This old Dell is indeed a 400 MHz, and a 6G drive! I _am_ thinking of
upping the drive (with one I have - not buying one), though at the
moment I'm finding it interesting to see how well it works with just the
6G. (I'd always thought of an XP system as needing at least 30-40G for
just the OS and software; I partitioned this machine to have 30G for C
and keep all my data on D. FWIW, after several years of use, I've used
23G, though the last 2+ G are WSUSOffline's downloads from the last week
or so). The old Dell doesn't seem to suffer from only having the 400 MHz
processor; granted, I haven't tried playing videos on it yet.
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