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Window is on borrowed time
On 2016-02-13 6:47 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 18:03:14 -0500, "Wolfie" wrote: As you probably know, Win 7 is Vista improved. I find Win 8.1 to be extremely close to Win 10. It took me a few weeks, but I've got Win 10 to where I like it. Every version of Windows is essentially the previous version improved. Vista is a rewrite of Windows whereas 7 is an optimized rewrite. The reason Vista was so choppy was because programmers were essentially starting from scratch. -- Slimer EFF & OpenMedia member / IFAW, Conservative Party of Canada, Mozilla & PETA supporter |
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In article , Slimer wrote:
On 2016-02-13 6:47 PM, Ken Blake wrote: On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 18:03:14 -0500, "Wolfie" wrote: [ ... ] Every version of Windows is essentially the previous version improved. Vista is a rewrite of Windows whereas 7 is an optimized rewrite. The reason Vista was so choppy was because programmers were essentially starting from scratch. I had someone swear up and down that Windows 2000 was a complete rewrite without a single line of code from earler versions. I Promptly inquired if that was the case, why was the default install directory was C:\WINNT. Oddly enough, I never got a reply...but when XP came out, it was C:\WINDOWS. -- Slimer EFF & OpenMedia member / IFAW, Conservative Party of Canada, Mozilla & PETA supporter |
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On 2016-02-14 12:06 PM, Gary Heston wrote:
In article , Slimer wrote: On 2016-02-13 6:47 PM, Ken Blake wrote: On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 18:03:14 -0500, "Wolfie" wrote: [ ... ] Every version of Windows is essentially the previous version improved. Vista is a rewrite of Windows whereas 7 is an optimized rewrite. The reason Vista was so choppy was because programmers were essentially starting from scratch. I had someone swear up and down that Windows 2000 was a complete rewrite without a single line of code from earler versions. I Promptly inquired if that was the case, why was the default install directory was C:\WINNT. Oddly enough, I never got a reply...but when XP came out, it was C:\WINDOWS. Well, I know for a fact that Vista was a rewrite as it had been determined, after the XP days, that the code it had used had become overly complex and bloated and therefore a need to simplify it became very important. Vista was the result of the simplification of the code, but it obvious didn't run as well as the original code due to its lack of optimization. -- Slimer EFF & OpenMedia member / IFAW, Conservative Party of Canada, Mozilla & PETA supporter |
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On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 18:03:14 -0500, Wolfie wrote:
As you probably know, Win 7 is Vista improved. Every version of Windows "improves" on the previous version, at least according to MS publicity. I find Win 8.1 to be extremely close to Win 10. It took me a few weeks, but I've got Win 10 to where I like it. |
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Wolfie posted this via
: http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonke...dows-10-true-c ost/#43d2ec07593f“ "There is no such thing as a free lunch” has been the mantra of those cynical about the true cost of ‘free’ Windows 10. But as Microsoft increases pressure on users to upgrade, it turns out the real cost of Windows 10 lies somewhere far less expected". MORE...Read I'm waiting for a Google desktop OS, or one from the Chinese. And then, it will be "Sayonara Windows". Windows 10 is based on "alien technology." As soon as Cortana cross-breeds with compatile human specimens, the initial stages of assimilation will be complete. Resistance is futile. HTH. -- I AM Bucky Breeder, (*(^; "I am become death, the destroyer of worlds." -- Julius Robert Oppenheimer (1904 -1967) .... and I approve this message! |
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On 2016-02-11 2:34 PM, Wolfie wrote:
I'm waiting for a Google desktop OS, or one from the Chinese. And then, it will be "Sayonara Windows". Might I suggest Red Star OS 3.0 from North Korea? It is a version of Linux AFAIK. |
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Nil wrote:
I didn't fine Vista to be all that bad, either. I liked Vista, it worked perfectly for me. It was also (I think?) the last MSFT OS that allowed classic start menu, etc. w/o running an add on program. But if your computer had enough horsepower, Vista was perfectly usable. And there's the rub, manufactures sold a bunch of systems with Vista loaded that really didn't have the horsepower. Vista ran well with double the memory MSFT said was needed and a faster processor helped as well. My homemade had a bunch of RAM and a fast processor so I had zero problems. -- XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement Project: http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/ |
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On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 10:14:33 -0500, Wolf K
wrote: On 2016-02-12 09:07, mike wrote: On 2/12/2016 4:20 AM, Dave C wrote: On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 17:34:35 -0500, Wolfie wrote: http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonke...ndows-10-true- cost/#43d2ec07593f "There is no such thing as a free lunch has been the mantra of those cynical about the true cost of free Windows 10. But as Microsoft increases pressure on users to upgrade, it turns out the real cost of Windows 10 lies somewhere far less expected". MORE...Read I'm waiting for a Google desktop OS, or one from the Chinese. And then, it will be "Sayonara Windows". This is another post in which the poster ignores the split between typical home or small business user and large corporations (or even smaller ones). These latter folks use hundreds of work stations, employ IT personal to maintain them and have training classes for the users. Just updating is a pain, to switch OS a nightmare. We've seen all this before when competitors to IBM came and went (Honeywell, RCA etc.) IT people in a large enterprise are very wary of trying new things. Especially when those new things come from a nebulous, random, bunch of individuals careening all over the map. Some find comfort in using stuff that comes from a place with a business name and a real address and a legal department and some organized vision and commitment to support and making everything just work. As soon as desktop linux comes together to create a "BRAND", the world will follow. Too late for that. Android has done it, but it runs on smartphones and tablets, not desktops. NB that only techie nerds know (or care) that it's a Linux. More smartphones run on it than on iOS. The desktop will survive as a workstation, but for most people, the computing device of choice will be whatever evolves as smartphone and tablet converge. Both are already implicated in all kinds of neat gadgets, eg, I saw an electronic lock that's configured automatically with a smartphone, total installation time about 15-20 minutes. It will unlock if it senses the smartphone "nearby". Or not, depending. It can be configured to give selected people, such as dog-walkers, access to the house at programmed times via their smartphones. Etc. You can't do that with a desktop.... Have a good day, Nothing serves everyone's needs. There is still a place for desktops and multiple monitors. People doing significant video work, people designing buildings on CAD, and etc. To think the markets will never change would be shortsighted. And to think the people who have the current markets won't try to keep them would also be shortsighted. All the "I hate ms" seems just silly to me. Clearly desktops will become a smaller share of the market when looked at in terms of the TOTAL market. That does not mean there will not be lots of money to be made in the remaining desktop market for many many years to come. Smart companies see this, see where the market is going, and try to get part of the NEW segments of the market even as they nurture their existing segment. If they fail to succeed, well, that's how capitalism works. Back when the cell phone market first exploded the Audiovox was one of the premier phones, even Fox Muldar used one on the X-files. I had one and it was a fantastic phone. Now it's hard to even find them listed in a google search of cell phone history. Then Flip-phones took over the market. Change is inevitable. |
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On 02/11/16 15:15, Roger Blake so wittily quipped:
On 2016-02-11, Wolfie wrote: I'm waiting for a Google desktop OS, or one from the Chinese. And then, it will be "Sayonara Windows". Not likely. Microsoft's real lock-in is the applications that run on Windows, particularly Office. Applications from 3rd parties also insure that Windows remains the top choice. If you need an off-the-shelf business application chances are you will need to run Windows. (Most users don't care about the operating system, many are even unaware of the concept. They just know that they are using "Microsoft.") Even moving to a Mac means swimming against the current. Unless a replacement is 100% bug-for-bug compatible, Windows will be with us for a long time to come. That's the case for desktop systems. On the server end of course it is a different story. the big change will need to be developers who target things *like* Linux and offer Linux versions at the same price, etc. as Windows versions. Good examples, ACCOUNTING software, from Quickbooks to Turbo Tax. I understand those are actually written using Java... so it SHOULD be possible!!! |
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On 02/11/16 14:34, Wolfie so wittily quipped:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonke...3d2ec07593f“ "There is no such thing as a free lunch” has been the mantra of those cynical about the true cost of ‘free’ Windows 10. But as Microsoft increases pressure on users to upgrade, it turns out the real cost of Windows 10 lies somewhere far less expected". MORE...Read tried to, but I kept hitting this "you have ad blocker software" screen. I refuse to participate in their web crap if they don't honor MY preferences. |
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On 02/12/16 04:20, Dave C so wittily quipped:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 17:34:35 -0500, Wolfie wrote: http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonke...ndows-10-true- cost/#43d2ec07593f“ "There is no such thing as a free lunch” has been the mantra of those cynical about the true cost of ‘free’ Windows 10. But as Microsoft increases pressure on users to upgrade, it turns out the real cost of Windows 10 lies somewhere far less expected". MORE...Read I'm waiting for a Google desktop OS, or one from the Chinese. And then, it will be "Sayonara Windows". This is another post in which the poster ignores the split between typical home or small business user and large corporations (or even smaller ones). These latter folks use hundreds of work stations, employ IT personal to maintain them and have training classes for the users. Just updating is a pain, to switch OS a nightmare. We've seen all this before when competitors to IBM came and went (Honeywell, RCA etc.) IT people in a large enterprise are very wary of trying new things. and yet... back in the early noughties, Ernie Ball did JUST THAT - switched to an RHEL solution because, Microsoft audited them and fined them $100k!!! http://web.archive.org/web/201312030...3-5065859.html And, according to the CEO, they SAVED about $80k the first year! "In 2000, the Business Software Alliance conducted a raid and subsequent audit at the San Luis Obispo, Calif.-based company that turned up a few dozen unlicensed copies of programs. Ball settled for $65,000, plus $35,000 in legal fees. But by then, the BSA, a trade group that helps enforce copyrights and licensing provisions for major business software makers, had put the company on the evening news and featured it in regional ads warning other businesses to monitor their software licenses." in other words, these auditor asshats wanted to SET AN EXAMPLE, and Ernie Ball is a pretty large target. They went on a fishing expedition based on some "turn in your employer" thing, and like anyone doing a thorough rectal exam, found some ****. The CEO's reaction: quote "I said, 'I don't care if we have to buy 10,000 abacuses,'" recalled Ball, who recently addressed the LinuxWorld trade show. "We won't do business with someone who treats us poorly." /quote "I know I saved $80,000 right away by going to open source, and each time something like (Windows) XP comes along, I save even more money because I don't have to buy new equipment to run the software." In summary, we have a REALLY GOOD PRECEDENT here that for business, open source CAN DO (and from what I can tell, often DOES) the same or better job, at lower overall cost, than Microsoft. |
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On 02/18/2016 01:31 PM, Big Bad Bob wrote:
On 02/11/16 14:34, Wolfie so wittily quipped: http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonke...3d2ec07593f“ "There is no such thing as a free lunch” has been the mantra of those cynical about the true cost of ‘free’ Windows 10. But as Microsoft increases pressure on users to upgrade, it turns out the real cost of Windows 10 lies somewhere far less expected". MORE...Read tried to, but I kept hitting this "you have ad blocker software" screen. I refuse to participate in their web crap if they don't honor MY preferences. Someday we'll have ad blocker detector blockers. -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.us/ "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." -- Philip K. Dick |
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Mark Lloyd wrote on 2016/02/19:
Someday we'll have ad blocker detector blockers. There are already blocklists for sites (and elements within them) that detect adblockers and shove a warning at the user. The uBlock Origin add-on has the following block-the-adblock blocklists: Adblock Warning Removal List Anti-Adblock Killer List That doesn't mean this will make the site magically believe you are not using an adblocker or will make them blind to prevent them from not delivering some or all of their content. Any site can see if a client is not connecting to the ad sources through the objects that would normally be presented in the delivered web page. If they redirect the ad content through their server, they can see it was not retrieved by the client. If they cooperate with advertising centers (e.g., CDNs - content delivery networks) then the CDN sees the content was not retrieved and reports it to the web site you visited; i.e., there is sharing of info on content hits. They can use Javascript to determine if the ad content got retrieved and is part of the document. Yes, you can disable Javascript but then that is very easy to detect and they can decide to show you only some or none of their content. Yeah, your preferences (to block) but THEIR property and resources from where you get to leech for free. If adblocking imperils their revenue for survivability, sure, they will react. Then we have to react but our reaction would be lessened if sites weren't so rude in behavior along with indemnifying their responsibility for the content they deliver. |
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On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 10:19:59 -0600, Mark Lloyd wrote:
Someday we'll have ad blocker detector blockers. We just need an option to retrieve the ad content without displaying it. The current method of not requesting the ad content is a stick in their eye, which is understandable. And then the game escalates to the next level, whatever that is. |
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Char Jackson wrote on 2016/02/19:
On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 10:19:59 -0600, Mark Lloyd wrote: Someday we'll have ad blocker detector blockers. We just need an option to retrieve the ad content without displaying it. The current method of not requesting the ad content is a stick in their eye, which is understandable. And then the game escalates to the next level, whatever that is. Good idea. Use a separate process to retrieve the otherwise blocked content but that process runs as low-priority and with throttled bandwidth. Then retrieving the unwanted content results in minimal impact on computer and network responsiveness. |
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