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Old March 21st 18, 04:14 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
WayFarer
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Default Microsoft to force Windows 10 users to use its Edge web browser

FYI and appropriate action...

Microsoft is going to force Windows 10 users to use Edge, by making it
the default browser for opening links.

The tech firm is about to start a test a new feature that would require
any links opened in the Windows Mail app will automatically open in
Edge, regardless of which internet browser you use currently.

The test was revealed in the release notes for an upcoming update to
Windows 10, which has already been sent to users on its Insider program.

We will begin testing a change where links clicked on within the Windows
Mail app will open in Microsoft Edge, which provides the best, most
secure and consistent experience on Windows 10 and across your devices,”
the notes read.

The change will see mean Microsoft ignoring the wishes of users, in
favour of pushing their own, unpopular web browser on people running
Windows 10.

Windows Mail is the default email app that comes with Windows 10 and
supports various email providers including Gmail.

Microsoft says the reason behind is because “Microsoft Edge enables you
to be more productive, organised and creative without sacrificing your
battery life or security, the tech firm says.

Having struggled to attract users from the likes of Google Chrome and
Mozilla Firefox, this isn’t the first time Microsoft has tried to force
users onto to its web browser.

Currently, if you use another web browser, Windows 10 displays a pop up
which with claim Edge is is faster and more efficient than Google Chrome.

Also, if you try to change Edge as the default browser in the Settings
app, Windows 10 asks you if you really want to switch, with users
required to force through a change to an alternative browser such as
Chrome or Firefox.

While only currently in testing, the feature is likely to be extremely
unpopular should it be rolled to regular Windows 10 users.

Despite Windows 10 now being installed on 36 percent of desktop
computers worldwide, Edge is installed on only about 4 percent of
computers, trailing Internet Explorer (6.9%), Firefox (11.5%) and market
leader Google Chrome (67.5%).
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  #2  
Old March 21st 18, 04:21 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Rene Lamontagne
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Default Microsoft to force Windows 10 users to use its Edge web browser

On 03/20/2018 10:14 PM, WayFarer wrote:
FYI and appropriate action...

Microsoft is going to force Windows 10 users to use Edge, by making it
the default browser for opening links.

The tech firm is about to start a test a new feature that would require
any links opened in the Windows Mail app will automatically open in
Edge, regardless of which internet browser you use currently.

The test was revealed in the release notes for an upcoming update to
Windows 10, which has already been sent to users on its Insider program.

We will begin testing a change where links clicked on within the Windows
Mail app will open in Microsoft Edge, which provides the best, most
secure and consistent experience on Windows 10 and across your devices,”
the notes read.

The change will see mean Microsoft ignoring the wishes of users, in
favour of pushing their own, unpopular web browser on people running
Windows 10.

Windows Mail is the default email app that comes with Windows 10 and
supports various email providers including Gmail.

Microsoft says the reason behind is because “Microsoft Edge enables you
to be more productive, organised and creative without sacrificing your
battery life or security, the tech firm says.

Having struggled to attract users from the likes of Google Chrome and
Mozilla Firefox, this isn’t the first time Microsoft has tried to force
users onto to its web browser.

Currently, if you use another web browser, Windows 10 displays a pop up
which with claim Edge is is faster and more efficient than Google Chrome.

Also, if you try to change Edge as the default browser in the Settings
app, Windows 10 asks you if you really want to switch, with users
required to force through a change to an alternative browser such as
Chrome or Firefox.

While only currently in testing, the feature is likely to be extremely
unpopular should it be rolled to regular Windows 10 users.

Despite Windows 10 now being installed on 36 percent of desktop
computers worldwide, Edge is installed on only about 4 percent of
computers, trailing Internet Explorer (6.9%), Firefox (11.5%) and market
leader Google Chrome (67.5%).


So, Why use Windows Mail? I don't!

Rene

  #3  
Old March 21st 18, 05:09 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
John Doe[_8_]
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Default Microsoft to force Windows 10 users to use its Edge web browser

WayFarer wrote:

The subject line is a lie.

Microsoft is going to force Windows 10 users to use Edge, by
making it the default browser for opening links.


That is a lie.

The tech firm is about to start a test a new feature that would
require any links opened in the Windows Mail app will
automatically open in Edge, regardless of which internet browser
you use currently.


Assuming the poster isn't lying for a third time, the obvious
workaround is "Don't use Windows Mail".



  #4  
Old March 21st 18, 07:05 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
WayFarer
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Default Microsoft to force Windows 10 users to use its Edge web browser

On 21/03/18 10:21, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
I don't!


An appropriate action inmho.
  #5  
Old March 21st 18, 07:07 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
WayFarer
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Default Microsoft to force Windows 10 users to use its Edge web browser

On 21/03/18 11:09, John Doe wrote:
WayFarer wrote:

The subject line is a lie.

Microsoft is going to force Windows 10 users to use Edge, by
making it the default browser for opening links.


That is a lie.

The tech firm is about to start a test a new feature that would
require any links opened in the Windows Mail app will
automatically open in Edge, regardless of which internet browser
you use currently.


Assuming the poster isn't lying for a third time, the obvious
workaround is "Don't use Windows Mail".


Entering pertinent details into a web search engine should produce
additional and verifiable information.
  #6  
Old March 21st 18, 01:10 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
CRNG
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Default Microsoft to force Windows 10 users to use its Edge web browser

On Wed, 21 Mar 2018 04:09:57 -0000 (UTC), John Doe
wrote in

WayFarer wrote:

The subject line is a lie.

Microsoft is going to force Windows 10 users to use Edge, by
making it the default browser for opening links.


That is a lie.

The tech firm is about to start a test a new feature that would
require any links opened in the Windows Mail app will
automatically open in Edge, regardless of which internet browser
you use currently.


Assuming the poster isn't lying for a third time, the obvious
workaround is "Don't use Windows Mail".


My preference is to turn off updates.
--
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and having to visit 10 different news stands to pickup each one.
Email list-server groups and USENET are like having all of those
newspapers delivered to your door every morning.
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Old March 21st 18, 02:25 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Uultred ragnusen
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Default Microsoft to force Windows 10 users to use its Edge web browser

CRNG wrote:

My preference is to turn off updates.


How?

I had Windows 10 Pro updates (accidentally, on purpose, I don't remember
how I did it) turned off for more than two years, but finally, in January,
an update bricked my Windows 10 Pro system.

Now I have a lot less customization, such that Windows, once the "pause"
period is done, updates itself. It just updated a couple of days ago, since
my pause period expired, and it wouldn't let me set a new pause period.

I /know/ updates can be stopped (because I did it) but I don't know what it
was that I did that stopped them.

Does anyone?
If so, please let me know because I don't want my machine updating until I
want my machine updating.
  #8  
Old March 21st 18, 02:42 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
CRNG
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Default Microsoft to force Windows 10 users to use its Edge web browser

On Wed, 21 Mar 2018 13:25:55 +0000 (UTC), Uultred ragnusen
wrote in

CRNG wrote:

My preference is to turn off updates.


How?

I had Windows 10 Pro updates (accidentally, on purpose, I don't remember
how I did it) turned off for more than two years, but finally, in January,
an update bricked my Windows 10 Pro system.

Now I have a lot less customization, such that Windows, once the "pause"
period is done, updates itself. It just updated a couple of days ago, since
my pause period expired, and it wouldn't let me set a new pause period.

I /know/ updates can be stopped (because I did it) but I don't know what it
was that I did that stopped them.

Does anyone?
If so, please let me know because I don't want my machine updating until I
want my machine updating.


https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10
O&O ShutUp10 means you have full control over which comfort functions
under Windows 10 you wish to use, and you decide when the passing on
of your data goes too far. Using a very simple interface, you decide
how Windows 10 should respect your privacy by deciding which unwanted
functions should be deactivated.

O&O ShutUp10 is entirely free and does not have to be installed it
can be simply run directly and immediately on your PC. And it will not
install or download retrospectively unwanted or unnecessary software,
like so many other programs do these days!
--
Web based forums are like subscribing to 10 different newspapers
and having to visit 10 different news stands to pickup each one.
Email list-server groups and USENET are like having all of those
newspapers delivered to your door every morning.
  #9  
Old March 21st 18, 02:50 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Keith Nuttle
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Default Microsoft to force Windows 10 users to use its Edge web browser

On 3/21/2018 9:25 AM, Uultred ragnusen wrote:
CRNG wrote:

My preference is to turn off updates.


How?

I had Windows 10 Pro updates (accidentally, on purpose, I don't remember
how I did it) turned off for more than two years, but finally, in January,
an update bricked my Windows 10 Pro system.

Now I have a lot less customization, such that Windows, once the "pause"
period is done, updates itself. It just updated a couple of days ago, since
my pause period expired, and it wouldn't let me set a new pause period.

I /know/ updates can be stopped (because I did it) but I don't know what it
was that I did that stopped them.

Does anyone?
If so, please let me know because I don't want my machine updating until I
want my machine updating.

It runs in my mind that if the original Windows 10 pro the updates could
be shut off, or disabled for a period. It is possible that over the
updates that function has been remove.

--
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  #10  
Old March 21st 18, 03:00 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Uultred ragnusen
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Default Microsoft to force Windows 10 users to use its Edge web browser

Keith Nuttle wrote:

It runs in my mind that if the original Windows 10 pro the updates could
be shut off, or disabled for a period. It is possible that over the
updates that function has been remove.


Thanks for that observation Keith, in that you are correct, I had the older
version that I was able, somehow, to prevent updating.
- Windows 10 Pro Version 1511 OS Build 10586.1106 (November 12, 2015)

What I do now, is pause updates, which is only a stopgap measure.
And I have the automatic reboot turned off as shown below, but I'm not sure
if I can "back out" those updates once installed.

HOW TO TURN OFF AUTOMATIC REBOOT:
Open the control panel using the power windows shell (so you can be admin)
Control Panel
System and Security
Administrative Tools
Task Scheduler
Task Scheduler Library
Microsoft
Windows
UpdateOrchestrator
Right click on Reboot task,
and Disable it.
  #11  
Old March 21st 18, 03:04 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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Default Microsoft to force Windows 10 users to use its Edge web browser

Uultred ragnusen wrote:
CRNG wrote:

My preference is to turn off updates.


How?

I had Windows 10 Pro updates (accidentally, on purpose, I don't remember
how I did it) turned off for more than two years, but finally, in January,
an update bricked my Windows 10 Pro system.

Now I have a lot less customization, such that Windows, once the "pause"
period is done, updates itself. It just updated a couple of days ago, since
my pause period expired, and it wouldn't let me set a new pause period.

I /know/ updates can be stopped (because I did it) but I don't know what it
was that I did that stopped them.

Does anyone?
If so, please let me know because I don't want my machine updating until I
want my machine updating.


It's easy.

Rename just one stinkin file, and... no more updates :-)

rename wuaueng.dll wuaueng.dll.bak

# Example of how to rename, here.

https://s13.postimg.org/jxvwua6c7/pesky_wuaueng.gif

# Example of Windows Update "wheel spin" as a result of this.
# The balls are animated... because there is no Service to
# talk to any longer. It can't run. Even USOSVC can't bring it
# back. This will stop working when Microsoft invents the
# self-repairing OS. Which won't take them that long to invent.

https://s13.postimg.org/5rg5z2y1z/wh...in_forever.gif

Rest assured that the OS has emergency features and back-channels,
so this is really no barrier at all. We won't know they are
present, until Microsoft starts using them.

HTH,
Paul
  #12  
Old March 21st 18, 03:19 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Uultred ragnusen
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Default Microsoft to force Windows 10 users to use its Edge web browser

CRNG wrote:

https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10


Interesting. Very interesting. Thanks!

I have to run but here's a screenshot after initially starting up the app:
http://i.cubeupload.com/enSAvu.jpg

For the tribal knowledge record, here's a basic cut and paste from:
https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10

https://dl5.oo-software.com/files/ooshutup10/OOSU10.exe
Version 1.6.1395, File size 779KB Released on: December 21, 2017
---------------------------
Checksum information
---------------------------
Name: OOSU10.exe
Size: 815168 bytes (0 MB)
SHA256: 16EE96D72C8EC102F04EC580BAC8377E6F0530F8923ACF56A7 7EB546EDB86CBE

O&O ShutUp10 means you have full control over which comfort functions under
Windows 10 you wish to use, and you decide when the passing on of your data
goes too far. Using a very simple interface, you decide how Windows 10
should respect your privacy by deciding which unwanted functions should be
deactivated.

O&O ShutUp10 is entirely free and does not have to be installed - it can be
simply run directly and immediately on your PC. And it will not install or
download retrospectively unwanted or unnecessary software, like so many
other programs do these days!

More control over your operating system
Adapt your security settings
Protect your privacy
Control location services
Control Windows Updates
Do not pass on your user data and diagnostics
Further information
Portable Version - no installation required
Free of charge for private users,
companies and educational institutions
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10
Supports Windows 10 Fall Creators Update
  #13  
Old March 21st 18, 04:32 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Ken Blake[_5_]
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Default Microsoft to force Windows 10 users to use its Edge web browser

On Wed, 21 Mar 2018 10:14:40 +0700, WayFarer
wrote:

FYI and appropriate action...

Microsoft is going to force Windows 10 users to use Edge, by making it
the default browser for opening links.



Making something a default does not *force* anyone to do anything. The
default is what you get *if* you don't change it.



The tech firm is about to start a test a new feature that would require
any links opened in the Windows Mail app will automatically open in
Edge, regardless of which internet browser you use currently.



That's fine with me. I don't care at all. I think both Windows Mail
and Edge are terrible choices and I don't use either of them.


The test was revealed in the release notes for an upcoming update to
Windows 10, which has already been sent to users on its Insider program.

We will begin testing a change where links clicked on within the Windows
Mail app will open in Microsoft Edge, which provides the best, most
secure and consistent experience on Windows 10 and across your devices,”
the notes read.

The change will see mean Microsoft ignoring the wishes of users, in
favour of pushing their own, unpopular web browser on people running
Windows 10.

Windows Mail is the default email app that comes with Windows 10 and
supports various email providers including Gmail.



Yes, but "default" doesn't mean you have to use it. I strongly
recommend against it.


Microsoft says the reason behind is because “Microsoft Edge enables you
to be more productive, organised and creative without sacrificing your
battery life or security, the tech firm says.

Having struggled to attract users from the likes of Google Chrome and
Mozilla Firefox, this isn’t the first time Microsoft has tried to force
users onto to its web browser.

Currently, if you use another web browser, Windows 10 displays a pop up
which with claim Edge is is faster and more efficient than Google Chrome.



I use FireFox. I've never seen such a popup.


Also, if you try to change Edge as the default browser in the Settings
app, Windows 10 asks you if you really want to switch, with users
required to force through a change to an alternative browser such as
Chrome or Firefox.



No problem, as far as I'm concerned. It's easy enough to reply "yes."


While only currently in testing, the feature is likely to be extremely
unpopular should it be rolled to regular Windows 10 users.



Not to me. As I said, I don't mind, since I have no interest in using
either Mail or Edge.


Despite Windows 10 now being installed on 36 percent of desktop
computers worldwide, Edge is installed on only about 4 percent of
computers



I don't believe that. If Window 10 is installed on 36% of computers,
then Edge is installed on 36% of computers. I never use Edge, but it's
installed here.


trailing Internet Explorer (6.9%), Firefox (11.5%) and market
leader Google Chrome (67.5%).



Internet Explore is also installed on 36% of computers. Like Edge, it
comes with Windows 10; "installed" and "used" are two very different
things.

I think Internet Explorer is almost as bad as Edge, and Chrome,
despite its popularity, is only slightly better than either one.
FireFox is my personal favorite.
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Old March 21st 18, 06:01 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Uultred ragnusen
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Paul wrote:

Rename just one stinkin file, and... no more updates :-)

rename wuaueng.dll wuaueng.dll.bak

# Example of how to rename, here.

https://s13.postimg.org/jxvwua6c7/pesky_wuaueng.gif

# Example of Windows Update "wheel spin" as a result of this.
# The balls are animated... because there is no Service to
# talk to any longer. It can't run. Even USOSVC can't bring it
# back. This will stop working when Microsoft invents the
# self-repairing OS. Which won't take them that long to invent.

https://s13.postimg.org/5rg5z2y1z/wh...in_forever.gif

Rest assured that the OS has emergency features and back-channels,
so this is really no barrier at all. We won't know they are
present, until Microsoft starts using them.


Yikes Paul!

You enticed me to dive into water way over my head!

Look at this screenshot:
http://i.cubeupload.com/1ji0MX.jpg

What the heck is going on?

On decades on both Windows and Linux, I've /never/ seen those warnings!

Linux:
ultred@ragnusen: ls wuau*
ls: cannot access 'wuauclt.exe': Input/output error
ls: cannot access 'wuaueng.dll': Input/output error
ls: cannot access 'wuautoappupdate.dll': Input/output error
ultred@ragnusen: ls -l wuaueng.dll
lrwxrwxrwx 2 x x 25 Feb 9 20:37 wuaueng.dll - unsupported reparse point
ultred@ragnusen:

Can someone explain what went on just now when I followed Paul's advice?
  #15  
Old March 21st 18, 06:10 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
John Doe[_8_]
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Default Microsoft to force Windows 10 users to use its Edge web browser

Ken Blake wrote:

WayFarer wrote:

FYI and appropriate action...

Microsoft is going to force Windows 10 users to use Edge, by
making it the default browser for opening links.


Making something a default does not *force* anyone to do
anything. The default is what you get *if* you don't change
it.


It can be changed? The poster is that much of a noob???
 




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