Disabling touchpad tapping with a script?

Alan Sundry wrote:
Alan Sundry wrote:
Paul wrote:
Alan Sundry wrote:

Thanks. This might be promising.

I had been looking up all those Hardware IDs numbers to no avail.
They don't lead to any brand-specific stuff to give me a driver.

Yes, the connection is USB if that helps. Does that give me anywhere
else to look?

I see in RegEdit if I do a few searches of 'touchpad' that I'm lead
to settings for PrecisionTouchPad, which do involve tapping values.
I changed these all from 1 to 0 anywhere I found them, to no avail.

Annoyingly I briefly had Debian Linux running on this laptop from a
pendrive and the touchpad worked. That might have meant that the
brand was named in one of the Linux logs. I can't currently access
the BIOS/EUFI because I changed a setting naively that seems to have
stopped USB working until Windows is loaded. Sounds a bit
harebrained, but I've seldom had a bad consequence like this, and
I'm pretty sure it'll soon be undone...

So I'll be opening the laptop in my usual careful fashion to see if/
how can reset CMOS, which will let me look at the touchpad. This
laptop opens up very safely and easily, six screws and a gentle
prising off of the back. If things look beyond me I will give up,
but in the meantime, before I look, inside directions regarding
getting any further hardware IDs as suggested would be appreciated.
(Is there even a fourth touchpad manufacturer? Synaptics, Alps,
Elan... ?)

Here's my mouse as an example. It's a USB mouse. A HID (Human
Interface Device).

https://s9.postimg.org/lsyist4lr/mymouse.gif

046d:c01a as the VID and PID, is what I get from Device Manager.

Then I look it up:

http://www.linux-usb.org/usb.ids

046d Logitech, Inc.
...
c01a M-BQ85 Optical Wheel Mouse

And that's what it is.

What did you get for your unknown device ?

Paul


The longest entry under the hardware IDS is:

USB\VID_1D0B&PID_0021&MI_00


So I gather it's 1D0B and 0021 respectively that I'm looking up on the
Linux USB site?

Pardon me if I'm not understanding. Just leaving a flu behind...
Additionally would you have any idea why those PrecisionTouchPad
registry values don't apparently interact with anything installed?

Wow. That was just a bit hard to find. Yikes.

https://linux-hardware.org/index.php?id=usb:1d0b-0021

ID usb:1d0b-0021
Class 03-01-01
Type input/keyboard
Vendor HAN HUA CABLE & WIRE TECHNOLOGY (J.X.)
Name USB KB & TouchPad
Subsystem YCK-092A

https://linux-hardware.org/index.php...=input_devices

Name="YCK-092A USB KB & TouchPad"

It looks like a composite device perhaps.

And I'm getting no-where with this.

I only got this far, using a Russian site, but their
driver ZIP only had MS generic stuff in it. Still no
clues as to what works with it (as a filter driver for
the touchpad).

While a company could make a "Microsoft compatible" touchpad,
you're not going to get very good features that way.

There is a suggestion here, the PrecisionTouchPad
are Microsoft settings, rather than Synaptic. You cannot
expect such a registry key to work, unless Windows has
installed some generic filter driver on top of the
HID (mouse-like) driver for the touchpad.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Alienware/c...hpad_features/

Sorry I'm not making any progress on this, as the
references to that combo keyboard/touchpad are limited,
and a lot of the references seem to point East. The search
engine isn't always as generous as it could be with
such things.

*******

The PrecisionTouchpad seems to be a device type, according
to the people in this thread.

https://superuser.com/questions/9212...than-sy/921429

My laptop, the PNP says the vendor is "SYN" implying
a Synaptics-compatible touchpad, but it doesn't appear
my copy of Windows 10 did anything with it. It still
seems to be running a mouse driver. When I ran

devcon stack *

it seemed to have only mouse-type stuff for upper
or lower filter. I think mine was running better under
Acer Windows 7. And anything devcon can do, Device
manager should have a text equivalent in the properties.
I'm actually using devcon64 in this case, the 64-bit
version, which is hard to find. It should be possible
to do that check with Device Manager instead.

So even if your touchpad had been Synaptics, it doesn't
look like Win10 did a good job of handling it particularly.

Paul

Paul wrote:
Alan Sundry wrote:
Alan Sundry wrote:
Paul wrote:
Alan Sundry wrote:

Thanks. This might be promising.

I had been looking up all those Hardware IDs numbers to no avail.
They don't lead to any brand-specific stuff to give me a driver.

Yes, the connection is USB if that helps. Does that give me
anywhere else to look?

I see in RegEdit if I do a few searches of 'touchpad' that I'm lead
to settings for PrecisionTouchPad, which do involve tapping values.
I changed these all from 1 to 0 anywhere I found them, to no avail.

Annoyingly I briefly had Debian Linux running on this laptop from a
pendrive and the touchpad worked. That might have meant that the
brand was named in one of the Linux logs. I can't currently access
the BIOS/EUFI because I changed a setting naively that seems to
have stopped USB working until Windows is loaded. Sounds a bit
harebrained, but I've seldom had a bad consequence like this, and
I'm pretty sure it'll soon be undone...

So I'll be opening the laptop in my usual careful fashion to see
if/ how* can reset CMOS, which will let me look at the touchpad.
This laptop opens up very safely and easily, six screws and a
gentle prising off of the back. If things look beyond me I will
give up, but in the meantime, before I look, inside directions
regarding getting any further hardware IDs as suggested would be
appreciated. (Is there even a fourth touchpad manufacturer?
Synaptics, Alps, Elan... ?)

Here's my mouse as an example. It's a USB mouse. A HID (Human
Interface Device).

https://s9.postimg.org/lsyist4lr/mymouse.gif

046d:c01a as the VID and PID, is what I get from Device Manager.

Then I look it up:

http://www.linux-usb.org/usb.ids

046d* Logitech, Inc.
****** ...
****** c01a* M-BQ85 Optical Wheel Mouse

And that's what it is.

What did you get for your unknown device ?

*** Paul


The longest entry under the hardware IDS is:

USB\VID_1D0B&PID_0021&MI_00


So I gather it's 1D0B and 0021 respectively that I'm looking up on
the Linux USB site?

Pardon me if I'm not understanding. Just leaving a flu behind...
Additionally would you have any idea why those PrecisionTouchPad
registry values don't apparently interact with anything installed?

Wow. That was just a bit hard to find. Yikes.

https://linux-hardware.org/index.php?id=usb:1d0b-0021

ID****** usb:1d0b-0021
Class*** 03-01-01
Type**** input/keyboard
Vendor** HAN HUA CABLE & WIRE TECHNOLOGY (J.X.)
Name**** USB KB & TouchPad
Subsystem* YCK-092A

https://linux-hardware.org/index.php...=input_devices

** Name="YCK-092A USB KB & TouchPad"

It looks like a composite device perhaps.

And I'm getting no-where with this.

I only got this far, using a Russian site, but their
driver ZIP only had MS generic stuff in it. Still no
clues as to what works with it (as a filter driver for
the touchpad).

While a company could make a "Microsoft compatible" touchpad,
you're not going to get very good features that way.

There is a suggestion here, the PrecisionTouchPad
are Microsoft settings, rather than Synaptic. You cannot
expect such a registry key to work, unless Windows has
installed some generic filter driver on top of the
HID (mouse-like) driver for the touchpad.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Alienware/c...hpad_features/


Sorry I'm not making any progress on this, as the
references to that combo keyboard/touchpad are limited,
and a lot of the references seem to point East. The search
engine isn't always as generous as it could be with
such things.

*******

The PrecisionTouchpad seems to be a device type, according
to the people in this thread.

https://superuser.com/questions/9212...than-sy/921429


My laptop, the PNP says the vendor is "SYN" implying
a Synaptics-compatible touchpad, but it doesn't appear
my copy of Windows 10 did anything with it. It still
seems to be running a mouse driver. When I ran

** devcon stack *

it seemed to have only mouse-type stuff for upper
or lower filter. I think mine was running better under
Acer Windows 7. And anything devcon can do, Device
manager should have a text equivalent in the properties.
I'm actually using devcon64 in this case, the 64-bit
version, which is hard to find. It should be possible
to do that check with Device Manager instead.

So even if your touchpad had been Synaptics, it doesn't
look like Win10 did a good job of handling it particularly.

** Paul
Thanks for your work there. It did throw up one further interesting
detail for me. The Prestigio laptop in your link seems identical to my
Archos, presumably a case of 'rebadging'. Unfortunately the Prestigio
website has one driver on offer for the laptop, just an audio one. But I
think I will try to see if Prestigio are more willing to deal in
aftersales enquiries than Archos are, if my session with the back off
tomorrow leads nowhere.

If I get anywhere I'll add to this thread seeing as this is a current
laptop.

On 1/27/2018 2:28 AM, Alan Sundry wrote:
Lucifer Morningstar wrote:
On Sat, 20 Jan 2018 10:16:26 +0000, Alan Sundry
wrote:

There is no facility with my laptop and Windows 10 at present to switch
of the touchpad's tapping and gestures features, which I've always
disliked. In the past I've turned them off with e.g. Synaptics' driver
software. This Archos Cesium 140 has not responded to drivers from
Synaptics, Alps or Elan - nothing appears on the taskbar.

I've reason to believe it's not a Synaptics touchpad anyway - I've used
an application called Touchpad Blocker which has a grey-out setting
which applies only to Synaptics devices, which presumably wouldn't be
greyed out if applicable.

If there is no other way to switch of the tapping and gestures, I
wondered if it's possible to write a script which will do what I need?
It's not always convenient to have the pad disabled and to use a mouse.

In Device Manager the touchpad is just a 'HID-compliant mouse', which
seems almost as bizarre to me as a floppy drive driver being in place
for the eMMc drive.

Thanks for any help.

Instead of trying to switch of the tapping you should try to
switch it off.
Look for a touchpad driver for your laptop.
You may be able to use one made for a different version of Windows,


Those Hardware IDs only ever point to masic mouse stuff, as if there
were no touchpad on this laptop. The manufacturor of the laptop, Archos,
seemingly don't reply to emails or do aftersales, so I still don't know
the brand. I think I'll open the machine up and look for markings, even
ones that might be useful if I get hold of a magnifying glass.

I've been looking at the registry, and the regitry of my dad's laptop,
which has a Synaptics touchpad, and wondering if parameters can be
transplanted at all into the mouse section of mine, or at least
something like this. But I suppose the values and so on are imported
into Windows by the driver and are not ones native to Windows that the
driver fine-tunes? But then that does make me wonder how the touchpad
works at all. Somehow all those gestures and so on are making sense to
the machine, to Wndows and specific applications.

Don't know if this will address your issue...
I had problems with accidentally touching the touchpad
and sending the cursor out of the current context.
I installed this:
http://touchpad-blocker.com/?version=3.0.0.71
Doesn't disable it completely on my system, but does help a lot.
There's a checkbox to disable synaptics touchpads, but it's greyed out
on my system, as I don't have a synaptics touchpad.