Newsgroups, Windows live mail

It's my understanding that Microsoft Live Mail will no longer provide or
facilitate access to NNTP newsgroups, and that they are gradually
eliminating access. With Windows 7, I can no longer get access to
newsgroups even though I pay a monthly fee to a commercial service for
newsgroup access. ( I have been able to get access on Thunderbird, but
not on Windows Live Mail or Yahoo mail.)

Does this mean that newsgroup access is no longer of general interest,
and that it may eventually die off? Or, am I doing something wrong when
I try to access them on Yahoo or Windows mail? - I would be interested
in what others are using and recommend for newsgroup access.

Reading some of the Microsoft pronouncements on the matter, it sounds
like they want us to shift to Microsoft discussion groups of various
kinds, which apparently have Microsoft supervision and moderation. (In
the past, I have found NNTP newsgroups, both moderated and unmoderated,
to be a great source of information on a variety of subjects. I would
hate to see them go.)

Jim

"Jim" wrote in message
...
It's my understanding that Microsoft Live Mail will no longer provide or
facilitate access to NNTP newsgroups, and that they are gradually
eliminating access. With Windows 7, I can no longer get access to
newsgroups even though I pay a monthly fee to a commercial service for
newsgroup access. ( I have been able to get access on Thunderbird, but
not on Windows Live Mail or Yahoo mail.)

Does this mean that newsgroup access is no longer of general interest,
and that it may eventually die off? Or, am I doing something wrong when
I try to access them on Yahoo or Windows mail? - I would be interested
in what others are using and recommend for newsgroup access.

Reading some of the Microsoft pronouncements on the matter, it sounds
like they want us to shift to Microsoft discussion groups of various
kinds, which apparently have Microsoft supervision and moderation. (In
the past, I have found NNTP newsgroups, both moderated and unmoderated,
to be a great source of information on a variety of subjects. I would
hate to see them go.)

Jim



Windows 7 is an OS and has nothing to do with the newsgroups. MS shut dows
their servers last October. The same newsgroups are still available using
other newsreaders such as AIOE, or Eternal September, etc. Since many
users were accessing these newsgroups through the backdoor Web based CDO,
I would say all of those users as well as a lot of Usenet users, migrated
to the new Microsoft Answers forums.

The newsgroups ar still there, but they have significantly declined in
use. For instance, tha last post in the
microsoft.public.windows.vista.mail newsgroup was on January 6, 2011.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Oct. 1, 2004 ~ Sept. 30, 2010
Imperial Beach, CA

"Jim" wrote in message
...
It's my understanding that Microsoft Live Mail will no longer provide or
facilitate access to NNTP newsgroups, and that they are gradually
eliminating access. With Windows 7, I can no longer get access to
newsgroups even though I pay a monthly fee to a commercial service for
newsgroup access. ( I have been able to get access on Thunderbird, but not
on Windows Live Mail or Yahoo mail.)


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Jim

So who told you this?
I am using Win.7 and WLM and it is working just great.
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On 23/01/2011 16:23, Alex Clayton wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
...
It's my understanding that Microsoft Live Mail will no longer provide
or facilitate access to NNTP newsgroups, and that they are gradually
eliminating access. With Windows 7, I can no longer get access to
newsgroups even though I pay a monthly fee to a commercial service for
newsgroup access. ( I have been able to get access on Thunderbird, but
not on Windows Live Mail or Yahoo mail.)


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Jim

So who told you this?
I am using Win.7 and WLM and it is working just great.

That's because you have stayed with WLM version 14. Heaven help those
who install v15 and expect to make sense of even a short thread!

--

Jeff

That's because you have stayed with WLM version 14. Heaven help those
who install v15 and expect to make sense of even a short thread!
--
Jeff


+1
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Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Oct. 1, 2004 ~ Sept. 30, 2010
Imperial Beach, CA

Version 2011 (Build 15.4.3508.1109)
Copyright © 2010 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

for the time being.
Normally I use a Mac, but when I travel to dangerous places, I take my
crappy laptops - ones that run Windows of course.

"Jeff Layman" wrote in message ...

On 23/01/2011 16:23, Alex Clayton wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
...
It's my understanding that Microsoft Live Mail will no longer provide
or facilitate access to NNTP newsgroups, and that they are gradually
eliminating access. With Windows 7, I can no longer get access to
newsgroups even though I pay a monthly fee to a commercial service for
newsgroup access. ( I have been able to get access on Thunderbird, but
not on Windows Live Mail or Yahoo mail.)


Snip
Jim

So who told you this?
I am using Win.7 and WLM and it is working just great.

That's because you have stayed with WLM version 14. Heaven help those
who install v15 and expect to make sense of even a short thread!

--

Jeff

"Alex Clayton" schreef in bericht
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"Jim" wrote in message
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It's my understanding that Microsoft Live Mail will no longer provide or
facilitate access to NNTP newsgroups, and that they are gradually
eliminating access. With Windows 7, I can no longer get access to
newsgroups even though I pay a monthly fee to a commercial service for
newsgroup access. ( I have been able to get access on Thunderbird, but
not on Windows Live Mail or Yahoo mail.)


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Jim

So who told you this?
I am using Win.7 and WLM and it is working just great.

Since you run Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726, yes it does.
If you upgrade to WLM 2011, it's going to be a mess!

"Clogwog" wrote in message
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"Alex Clayton" schreef in bericht
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"Jim" wrote in message
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It's my understanding that Microsoft Live Mail will no longer provide or
facilitate access to NNTP newsgroups, and that they are gradually
eliminating access. With Windows 7, I can no longer get access to
newsgroups even though I pay a monthly fee to a commercial service for
newsgroup access. ( I have been able to get access on Thunderbird, but
not on Windows Live Mail or Yahoo mail.)


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Jim

So who told you this?
I am using Win.7 and WLM and it is working just great.

Since you run Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726, yes it does.
If you upgrade to WLM 2011, it's going to be a mess!

Great, I did not know MS decided to screw this up now. I guess if I get
another computer or have to format one I will have to learn to use something
like T-Bird then. I had tried them years ago but gave up.
What changes have they made to Win.-7 that would keep these from working
with the news readers, or is it just WLM they decided to screw up???
--
Some people try to turn back their odometers. Not me, I want people to know
'why' I look this way. I've traveled a long way and some of the roads
weren't paved.
Will Rogers

"Alex Clayton" wrote in message
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"Clogwog" wrote in message
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"Alex Clayton" schreef in bericht
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"Jim" wrote in message
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It's my understanding that Microsoft Live Mail will no longer provide
or facilitate access to NNTP newsgroups, and that they are gradually
eliminating access. With Windows 7, I can no longer get access to
newsgroups even though I pay a monthly fee to a commercial service
for newsgroup access. ( I have been able to get access on
Thunderbird, but not on Windows Live Mail or Yahoo mail.)


Snip
Jim

So who told you this?
I am using Win.7 and WLM and it is working just great.

Since you run Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726, yes it does.
If you upgrade to WLM 2011, it's going to be a mess!

Great, I did not know MS decided to screw this up now. I guess if I get
another computer or have to format one I will have to learn to use
something like T-Bird then. I had tried them years ago but gave up.
What changes have they made to Win.-7 that would keep these from
working with the news readers, or is it just WLM they decided to screw
up???
--
Some people try to turn back their odometers. Not me, I want people to
know 'why' I look this way. I've traveled a long way and some of the
roads weren't paved.
Will Rogers


They just screwed up WLMail. On my Win7, I use TBird for mail and Windows
Mail for news.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Oct. 1, 2004 ~ Sept. 30, 2010
Imperial Beach, CA

"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
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Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Oct. 1, 2004 ~ Sept. 30, 2010
Imperial Beach, CA

Why not beyond 30 Sept. 2010?

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To email me remove the letter vee.

On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 10:54:33 -0800, "Alex Clayton"
wrote:


What changes have they made to Win.-7 that would keep these from working
with the news readers, ...


None. Windows 7 started out working fine with newsreaders, and still
does.


... or is it just WLM they decided to screw up???


As far as I'm concerned, they didn't suddenly decide to screw up
Windows Live Mail. Windows Live Mail started out screwed up from the
very beginning. I never liked it.

On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 12:40:44 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:
As far as I'm concerned, they didn't suddenly decide to screw up
Windows Live Mail. Windows Live Mail started out screwed up from the
very beginning. I never liked it.


True, but they do seem to be pessimizing it. :-)

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http://OakRoadSystems.com
Shikata ga nai...

On 23 Jan 2011, Ken Blake wrote in
alt.windows7.general:

As far as I'm concerned, they didn't suddenly decide to screw up
Windows Live Mail. Windows Live Mail started out screwed up from
the very beginning. I never liked it.

WLM (previous to this latest cock-up) seemed to me to be about as good
or bad as WM or Outlook Express. I never used any of them regularly, so
I could easily have missed some of OE's hidden charms.

On 23 Jan 2011, "Alex Clayton" wrote in
alt.windows7.general:

What changes have they made to Win.-7 that would keep these from
working with the news readers, or is it just WLM they decided to
screw up???

There's nothing in Win7 that interferes with reading news. The latest
version of Windows Live Mail (WLM2011, a.k.a. version 15) has broken
several features that royally screw up all replies. Among other
problems...

- it no longer distinguishes quoted text from your reply, so it's
impossible to tell who said what;

- if you use a signature, when you reply to a message it includes the
previous message's quoted material with the sig, so most other
newsreaders will not include it in their replies;

- it inserts spurious question mark characters in your messages.

So far, Microsoft has not given any indication that they plan to fix
these broken features, so you are best off using another newsreader, or
sticking with WLM2009 (ver. 14.) I think WLM2009 is still available for
download on the MS Download web site, in case you made the mistake of
"upgrading" when it was offered as an automatic update.

On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 10:54:33 -0800, Alex Clayton wrote:
Great, I did not know MS decided to screw this up now. I guess if I get
another computer or have to format one I will have to learn to use something
like T-Bird then. I had tried them years ago but gave up.


Unless you are dissatisfied with your mail program, I can't imagine
why you'd install another one. Thunderbird is a mail program that
incidentally does newsgroups. You are much better off to install a
program that is intended to do newsgroups. My own personal favorite
is Gravity, but there are plenty of other choices that are superior
to Thunderbird, let alone WLM.

--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com
Shikata ga nai...