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On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 12:19:13 -0600, GreyCloud wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:

On Fri, 13 Mar 2015 13:03:48 -0600, GreyCloud wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:

I don't use Restore Points, and in fact that's one of the very first
features I disable on each of my personal systems, but I didn't know
that rolling back to a previous RP would also clean up the filesystem.
I'm very surprised to hear that, and if it's true, it makes me extremely
happy to know that this feature is disabled.

At the time I was busy cleaning up the remnants off my hard drive that was
eating up a lot of space. Unfortuanely, one particular remnant directory
was also tied to VS. VS wouldn't load any projects. So I resorted to the
restore point. Problem solved. All you have to do is make a restore
point once a week and you won't have any problems.

Regarding that last sentence, I'm sorry but I don't believe that for a
second.

Then you apparently just don't do much system cleaning then.

No, that's not the problem with that statement. The problem is that you're
saying that if everyone made a restore point once a week then no one would
have any problems. Restore points don't prevent problems, as you surely must
know. In the best case, they might fix an issue, but you never know what
else they might 'fix' at the same time. Restore points aren't able to read
your mind. Instead, they just change everything they think they should
change, all at once. In anything less than the best case, they make one or
more changes to your system without fixing the issue you're currently
interested in, so you're left wondering what got changed while knowing that
the thing that was surely broken is still broken. It's sort of a lose-lose.

On 03/14/2015 05:53 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 12:19:13 -0600, GreyCloud wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:

On Fri, 13 Mar 2015 13:03:48 -0600, GreyCloud wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:

I don't use Restore Points, and in fact that's one of the very first
features I disable on each of my personal systems, but I didn't know
that rolling back to a previous RP would also clean up the filesystem.
I'm very surprised to hear that, and if it's true, it makes me extremely
happy to know that this feature is disabled.

At the time I was busy cleaning up the remnants off my hard drive that was
eating up a lot of space. Unfortuanely, one particular remnant directory
was also tied to VS. VS wouldn't load any projects. So I resorted to the
restore point. Problem solved. All you have to do is make a restore
point once a week and you won't have any problems.

Regarding that last sentence, I'm sorry but I don't believe that for a
second.

Then you apparently just don't do much system cleaning then.

No, that's not the problem with that statement. The problem is that you're
saying that if everyone made a restore point once a week then no one would
have any problems. Restore points don't prevent problems, as you surely must
know. In the best case, they might fix an issue, but you never know what
else they might 'fix' at the same time. Restore points aren't able to read
your mind. Instead, they just change everything they think they should
change, all at once. In anything less than the best case, they make one or
more changes to your system without fixing the issue you're currently
interested in, so you're left wondering what got changed while knowing that
the thing that was surely broken is still broken. It's sort of a lose-lose.


Hi Char,

I think he knows that.

I too prefer to just fix the problem, rather than rolling back.
But, it is a nice tool if all else fails.

-T

On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 14:26:47 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 10:56:32 -0500, Char Jackson wrote:

I'm not sure what problem you might be referring to, but the way I see it
replacing a battery is something you might possibly do every few years, if
that, so as long as it's replaceable I don't care if it's a snap-on panel or
if a few screws are involved. Truth be told, I'd almost be willing to bet
that most people NEVER replace a laptop battery. I never have, on any of my
personal laptops.

My old laptop battery holds its charge for only an hour or two, which is
enough for the few things I do with it untethered, so I just leave it
plugged in most of the time.

There's an older laptop here in the house that's in the exact same boat,
maybe even worse. We don't use it much anymore, but we know from experience
that we can only trust the battery long enough to get from room to room, and
we have to find an outlet quickly or it shuts down.

Instead of doing that, I would have replaced the battery, but then I
priced it online. IMO, it would cost more than the computer is worth.

Same here. I'm not going to replace the battery.

On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 14:28:28 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Fri, 13 Mar 2015 19:33:27 -0700, T wrote:

It BAFFLES me how you have not been caught up in a single
one of them. You must be the luckiest technician to
walk the earth! I hold my breath.

I guess I'm another lucky one.

Still breathing, too.

Great. Now he's going to be doubly baffled and he may feel that he needs to
hold his breath for himself plus the two of us. That could lead to a red
face, or worse.

On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 17:47:24 -0700, T wrote:

On 03/14/2015 02:28 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Fri, 13 Mar 2015 19:33:27 -0700, T wrote:

It BAFFLES me how you have not been caught up in a single
one of them. You must be the luckiest technician to
walk the earth! I hold my breath.

I guess I'm another lucky one.

Still breathing, too.


Hi Gene,

What kind of I.T. work do you do?

-T

I'm my own expert :-)

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

Hi, Gene.

...I priced it online. IMO, it would cost more than the computer is worth.

Me, too.

Never had a notebook or other laptop - except for the little Acer Netbook
that I bought in 2010 just so that I could have two computers at once time
and learn a few things about networking. A few months ago I was thinking of
replacing it because the battery would no longer hold a charge after five
years. But then I tried the fix I had read about online.

I unplugged the netbook and kept using it until it ran completely down;
wouldn't even light up the ON light. A couple days later, I plugged it in
and let it completely recharge. It has been going fine ever since, through
plenty of recharges. I don't use it much now; mostly just reading online
books from the Gutenberg Project (Sherlock Holmes and classics, like Moby
Dick and A Tale of Two Cities, which I somehow avoided in high school.)

Run your battery down until it is completely dead, give it a few days' rest,
then see if it will recharge and hold the charge.

It worked for me! ;)

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX

Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-2010)
Windows Live Mail 2012 (Build 16.4.3528.0331) in Win8.1 Pro w/Media Center


"Gene E. Bloch" wrote in message
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On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 10:56:32 -0500, Char Jackson wrote:

I'm not sure what problem you might be referring to, but the way I see it
replacing a battery is something you might possibly do every few years, if
that, so as long as it's replaceable I don't care if it's a snap-on panel
or
if a few screws are involved. Truth be told, I'd almost be willing to bet
that most people NEVER replace a laptop battery. I never have, on any of
my
personal laptops.

My old laptop battery holds its charge for only an hour or two, which is
enough for the few things I do with it untethered, so I just leave it
plugged in most of the time.

Instead of doing that, I would have replaced the battery, but then I
priced it online. IMO, it would cost more than the computer is worth.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 14:30:49 -0700, T wrote:

On 03/14/2015 08:30 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
You know, it's really hard to have a discussion with you. I feel like I'm
talking to my nephew. He's 6 years old.

He sounds like a smart kid! :-)

I see what you did there, but I think he's about average for his age. Since
you're not actually that age, it doesn't look good on you.

On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 17:35:36 -0700, T wrote:

On 03/14/2015 08:23 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Fri, 13 Mar 2015 13:17:13 -0700, T wrote:

On 03/13/2015 12:28 PM, Roderick Stewart wrote:

Doesn't holding the power button for 4 seconds have the same effect?
On the rare occasion a computer hangs and won't respond to anything
else, I've always found that to do the trick.

In here instance, holding down the power button was ignored.
That trick only works when the motherboard itself is not
crashed.

Motherboard...crashed? Interesting phrasing there. Completely inaccurate,
but I think I know what you meant.


What would the politically correct term be for the BIOS getting hosed?

Forget politically correct. I'd settle for the technically correct term.

On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 19:53:20 -0500, Char Jackson wrote:

On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 12:19:13 -0600, GreyCloud wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:

On Fri, 13 Mar 2015 13:03:48 -0600, GreyCloud wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:

I don't use Restore Points, and in fact that's one of the very first
features I disable on each of my personal systems, but I didn't know
that rolling back to a previous RP would also clean up the filesystem.
I'm very surprised to hear that, and if it's true, it makes me extremely
happy to know that this feature is disabled.

At the time I was busy cleaning up the remnants off my hard drive that was
eating up a lot of space. Unfortuanely, one particular remnant directory
was also tied to VS. VS wouldn't load any projects. So I resorted to the
restore point. Problem solved. All you have to do is make a restore
point once a week and you won't have any problems.

Regarding that last sentence, I'm sorry but I don't believe that for a
second.

Then you apparently just don't do much system cleaning then.

No, that's not the problem with that statement. The problem is that you're
saying that if everyone made a restore point once a week then no one would
have any problems. Restore points don't prevent problems, as you surely must
know. In the best case, they might fix an issue, but you never know what
else they might 'fix' at the same time. Restore points aren't able to read
your mind. Instead, they just change everything they think they should
change, all at once. In anything less than the best case, they make one or
more changes to your system without fixing the issue you're currently
interested in, so you're left wondering what got changed while knowing that
the thing that was surely broken is still broken. It's sort of a lose-lose.

I'd say "In anything less than the best case, they make one or more
changes to your system without fixing the issue you're currently
interested in" is quite an exaggeration...

How about "in some of the worst cases" as a more moderate - and IMO
*much* more accurate - qualifier?

I've never experienced the extreme of which you write.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 17:37:36 -0700, T wrote:

On 03/14/2015 02:26 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 10:56:32 -0500, Char Jackson wrote:

I'm not sure what problem you might be referring to, but the way I see it
replacing a battery is something you might possibly do every few years, if
that, so as long as it's replaceable I don't care if it's a snap-on panel or
if a few screws are involved. Truth be told, I'd almost be willing to bet
that most people NEVER replace a laptop battery. I never have, on any of my
personal laptops.

My old laptop battery holds its charge for only an hour or two, which is
enough for the few things I do with it untethered, so I just leave it
plugged in most of the time.

Instead of doing that, I would have replaced the battery, but then I
priced it online. IMO, it would cost more than the computer is worth.


Hi Gene,

A few of my customers will replace theirs, but most have
the same reaction you had to the price.

So what's the problem with removing a few screws? At least it's field
replaceable.

On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 20:01:52 -0500, R. C. White wrote:

Hi, Gene.

...I priced it online. IMO, it would cost more than the computer is worth.

Me, too.

Never had a notebook or other laptop - except for the little Acer Netbook
that I bought in 2010 just so that I could have two computers at once time
and learn a few things about networking. A few months ago I was thinking of
replacing it because the battery would no longer hold a charge after five
years. But then I tried the fix I had read about online.

I unplugged the netbook and kept using it until it ran completely down;
wouldn't even light up the ON light. A couple days later, I plugged it in
and let it completely recharge. It has been going fine ever since, through
plenty of recharges. I don't use it much now; mostly just reading online
books from the Gutenberg Project (Sherlock Holmes and classics, like Moby
Dick and A Tale of Two Cities, which I somehow avoided in high school.)

Run your battery down until it is completely dead, give it a few days' rest,
then see if it will recharge and hold the charge.

It worked for me! ;)

Jesus - you really screwed up the quoting, but I finally got this more
or less squared away so I could respond :-(

Referring to your description above of the usual procedure for
calibrating a laptop to a battery:

When I did that, the improvement was noticeable but slight, because the
battery is old and it's losing it. It's a pretty typical case of
Voltsheimer's disease.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 20:00:53 -0500, Char Jackson wrote:

On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 14:28:28 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Fri, 13 Mar 2015 19:33:27 -0700, T wrote:

It BAFFLES me how you have not been caught up in a single
one of them. You must be the luckiest technician to
walk the earth! I hold my breath.

I guess I'm another lucky one.

Still breathing, too.

Great. Now he's going to be doubly baffled and he may feel that he needs to
hold his breath for himself plus the two of us. That could lead to a red
face, or worse.

No, it just led to a subtle put-down.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On 03/14/2015 06:04 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 17:35:36 -0700, T wrote:

On 03/14/2015 08:23 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Fri, 13 Mar 2015 13:17:13 -0700, T wrote:

On 03/13/2015 12:28 PM, Roderick Stewart wrote:

Doesn't holding the power button for 4 seconds have the same effect?
On the rare occasion a computer hangs and won't respond to anything
else, I've always found that to do the trick.

In here instance, holding down the power button was ignored.
That trick only works when the motherboard itself is not
crashed.

Motherboard...crashed? Interesting phrasing there. Completely inaccurate,
but I think I know what you meant.


What would the politically correct term be for the BIOS getting hosed?

Forget politically correct. I'd settle for the technically correct term.


A n d t h a t i s ???

On 03/14/2015 06:05 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 17:37:36 -0700, T wrote:

On 03/14/2015 02:26 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 10:56:32 -0500, Char Jackson wrote:

I'm not sure what problem you might be referring to, but the way I see it
replacing a battery is something you might possibly do every few years, if
that, so as long as it's replaceable I don't care if it's a snap-on panel or
if a few screws are involved. Truth be told, I'd almost be willing to bet
that most people NEVER replace a laptop battery. I never have, on any of my
personal laptops.

My old laptop battery holds its charge for only an hour or two, which is
enough for the few things I do with it untethered, so I just leave it
plugged in most of the time.

Instead of doing that, I would have replaced the battery, but then I
priced it online. IMO, it would cost more than the computer is worth.


Hi Gene,

A few of my customers will replace theirs, but most have
the same reaction you had to the price.

So what's the problem with removing a few screws? At least it's field
replaceable.



Every two weeks !?!?!? What a pain in the neck! That is why I had her
(grown) son just remove the stinker.

On 03/14/2015 06:25 PM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 17:46:16 -0700, T wrote:

Those panels are not easy for older hands to remove. And those
screws are really small and can get lost in the carpet really
easy.

I always disassemble notebooks in a very large, shallow baking pan. If you drop
a part such as a screw or break a plastic tab, it always ends up in the pan.
Makes the process much simpler.


Hi Stormin',

Impressive. I love it!

I go searching through the carpet with a magnetic screwdriver.
I wonder if the customers will think I am crazy if I ask them for a
cookie sheet. NO SELF RESPECTING GRAND MOTHER IS WITHOUT A
COOKIE SHEET!

-T