Build 10031

T wrote:

On 03/13/2015 07:10 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
No one was harmed by the vulnerability or the resulting patch.
No one's system even had to be rebooted.

No one was harmed by the vulnerability? Did you really just say that? You
can't be that out of touch, right?

Hi Char,

Yes I did. The vulnerability was fixed as soon as someone found it.
No malware was written for it. Wouldn't make any sense to
do so as the fix hit so rapidly. And everyone's machine
still worked afterwards.

The system worked. The patch did not have to wait years
for someone to write a virus based on it (like the
Blaster virus).

I'm not sure how you can say the system worked, but if that's your
definition of working, leave me out.

I think maybe you are letting your loyalty get in your
way of your thinking. The Open SSL event is one of those
spec in Linux's eye versus the board in Windows' eye.

Windows is riddled with stories of disasters after
disaster. And the patches are horrible. Some of
my customers consider them worse than the viruses.
They are not, but it would be interesting to see an economic
analysis of the damage their bad patches have caused.

But it is good to be loyal. I don't think it is
appropriate in this instance. (You notice I rip
all OS'es when called for.)

-T

The more OS'es you know, the more fun this job
becomes. I still think OSx is WEIRD, but I
get around in it okay. No weirder than
Frankenstein or son-thereof. I shake my
head at IOS, but it is rather well done for a
toy operating system.

iOS is a limited form of OS X. OS X is UNIX underneath.
Linux is not. So, seeing that Android is Linux based and seems to be a very
easy target to hack, which I have heard of, the security for Android is more
likely compromised by Google themselves.
iOS seems to be a lot more secure than the Android.

T wrote:

On 03/12/2015 04:28 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
T wrote:

On 03/12/2015 03:34 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 12 Mar 2015 20:30:54 +0100, A wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:
On Wed, 11 Mar 2015 12:37:45 -0700, T wrote:

You are deceiving yourself if you think Linux is not more
secure. It is open for anyone to look at. No back doors.
World wide code checkers.

I've heard that repeated many times over the years, and yet there
have been several openSSL issues that have recently come to light,
one or more of which is said to have existed for over a decade. Just
because people *can* check the source doesn't necessarily mean that
anyone does.


Linux isn't bulletproof but it's more secure than Windows. If only it
had a decent office suite. Alas, maybe some day. A lot of that I think
has to do with Linux users being more tech savvy as a whole than
Windows users as most users are compromised by being tricked into
either clicking on something they shouldn't or by being persuaded to
part with their money or both.

"More secure", yes, but I was primarily knocking the assumption that a
lot of eyes are looking at the code because it's open source. I don't
really think that's true.


Hi Char,

The kernel gets the most scrutiny. But anything dealing
with security does to.

It is not perfect, but it gets you there a lot faster.

Just out of curiosity, how often do you have to tell your Windows
customers to turn their computers off at night?


Why waste power when you aren't using it?
I turn mine off every night. I used to leave my old iMac G5 on all the
time, till one morning I woke up to a burnt capacitor smell.
After I got the power supply replaced I turned it off at night to
preserve
my machine. Not a good idea for the home user. Industrial strength
machines that need to stay on 24/7 are a bit more pricey.



Hi Grey Cloud,

The more you use it, the sooner it wears out.

30 years ago power supplies surged and burned stuff out.
So, folks learned never to turn anything off. But that
hasn't been the case for a lot of years now.

Also, some Windows users are so virused up (malware to the speech
police), the can't get their computer to boot back up.


I've had my win7 HP for three years now, and never had the problem of
booting up that you mention.
I've had more problems with the stability of linux than on windows, and
never had a stability problem with OpenVMS.

Roderick Stewart wrote:

On Thu, 12 Mar 2015 16:32:14 -0700, T wrote:

Just out of curiosity, how often do you have to tell your Windows
customers to turn their computers off at night?


Why waste power when you aren't using it?
I turn mine off every night. I used to leave my old iMac G5 on all the
time, till one morning I woke up to a burnt capacitor smell.
After I got the power supply replaced I turned it off at night to
preserve
my machine. Not a good idea for the home user. Industrial strength
machines that need to stay on 24/7 are a bit more pricey.



Hi Grey Cloud,

The more you use it, the sooner it wears out.

30 years ago power supplies surged and burned stuff out.
So, folks learned never to turn anything off. But that
hasn't been the case for a lot of years now.

Also, some Windows users are so virused up (malware to the speech
police), the can't get their computer to boot back up.

The concept of switching things off when not in use was drummed into
children by sensible parents sixty years ago, and in those days we had
wireless sets that could take five minutes to warm up and TV sets that
could take twice that. Now, in what is supposed to be a more energy
conscious time, nobody seems to care.

Some things have to be powered constantly to do their jobs, but a
great many devices are left connected to the mains because they are
not even provided with an easy way of switching off other than the low
voltage output of the power supply. In theory a PSU doesn't consume
anything when not loaded but in reality it must, and there are
millions of them...


Quite true. Even our power company calls appliances that are turned off
vampire devices. They go to the length of saying to unplugged the
appliances to cut down on your power bill.
In the case of the smoking iMac... bad power supply design. Some of the
capacitors used were only 1 or 2 volts over the voltage output and that's a
recipe for a quick burn.

On Fri, 13 Mar 2015 11:40:20 -0700, T wrote:

A lot of Windows issues are solved just by a real power
off and reboot.

I was just curious what your experience was.

Noticed one model of Dell laptop that you have to unscrew
a panel and more screws to get the battery out. Made
for a nightmare for one lady who was running Frankenstein
(w8). Since she used her laptop of a desktop and never
took it anywhere, I had her kid just remove the stinking
battery permanently. Now when Frankie does its thing,
she just jerks out the charger cord and problem solved.
What was Dell thinking!

Doesn't holding the power button for 4 seconds have the same effect?
On the rare occasion a computer hangs and won't respond to anything
else, I've always found that to do the trick.

Rod.

On 03/13/2015 12:07 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
T wrote:

On 03/12/2015 04:19 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
T wrote:


Hi Grey Cloud,

Time machine is sweet.

I use plain old command line Dump and Restore on Linux.
Backs everything up perfectly. It ain't pretty like
time machine, but I have used it on several occasions
to restore entire systems. You can pull single files
out pretty easy too.

I'm curious if it is like an incremental backup?
The best back up system I've ever used was the old VMS backup command that
had a lot of different qualifiers to do different ways of doing a back up.

Hi Grey Cloud,

Dump/Restore will do a incremental or fulls. I have my customer's
backups go off in the middle of the night, so I do fulls.
They rotate removable drives in the morning.

Incrementals are a pain in the ass to recover from, so
I avoid them.

On my personal system, I backup up every Sunday to a
removable SATA drive. Takes ~1:24. I do it twice to
two separate drive. During the week, I have three different
backup facilities going on to keep track of my work.
I got it going and coming.



Backing up Windows drives me nuts with the system and
file locks.

HP on this machine wrote their own and works like a charm. I just don't
like to waste DVDs doing it tho. So I may just get an external hard drive
for that purpose.

I find that DVD don't work when you most need them
too. They are too fragile.


I love when my Windows virtual machines crash, I just
restore their hard drives from my latest Dump.


Is this VM in win8.1?
I know that it exists and it allows you to run Linux on a windows VM.
There's a youtube video of this.

My host (base) system is Scientific Linux 6.6 x64. My Virtual
machine is Red Hat's KVM

http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/Main_Page

I prefer KVM over Virtual Box because Red Hat jumps on
and fixes problems. Oracle is a bunch of Chuckle Heads.


What the story behind the choice of Grey Cloud for your name?

Easy, native american.

The Washoe have land all around were I live. They have been
here for about 12,000 years, but no one know exactly how
long. They came here with what they could carry. That
is impressive. They, although they might like the description,
are literally the first pioneers. Nevada is a difficult place
to live without all our modern technology.

I managed to meet some of them recently. Just folks like
everyone else. Nice folks. They are a little amused at me
asking about their history.

Mainly the American Indians (Black Foot, Cheyenne) I meet came
here the same way I did: they drove here. The Washoe like to
use them for their tribal police. And we won't go into me
financing the tribe with traffic tickets. At least they are
half price over the county tickets they threaten to turn them
into if you "blow off the tribe". The tribal cops out here
are full county deputies too. And they back each other up all
the time. There is virtually no crime out here. It is an
excuse to turn their light on.

-T

"Me Washoe? I am Black Foot. Washoe are way bigger!"
Makes me laugh. Reminds me of when I was in Germany:
"Those aren't real Germans. We are real Germans!
They drink wine and eat little sausages. Real Germans
eat big sausages and drink beer!"

The Washoe have a really bad time with Diabetes when
they eat white man's food (carbs). I feel for them,
as I have T2 Diabetes too and it was caused by the
same thing (carbohydrate poisoning). I went Primal
(sort of like returning to my ancestral diet),
am in complete remission, and am diabetes drug
free for over a year and a half now. Carbs can be
really addictive and hard to give up: its kills
a lot of us on the installment program. The poor
Washoe take it on the chin!

On 03/13/2015 12:00 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
T wrote:


What the hell is "btrfs"?

I prefer ZFS from Oracle. It actually tries to keep the file system from
getting corrupted. I've been using it for many years now and no problems,
yet it is faster than the UFS.

EXT4 (or was it 3) was IBM's big gift to Linux. It
contained the necessary journaling that IBM required
for their T-Rex.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext4

XFS look interesting. It was originally created by
Silicon Graphics:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XFS#History

Never got a change to work on a mainframe. It sound
fun. The more OS'es you know, the more fun this
profession gets.

On 03/13/2015 12:28 PM, Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Fri, 13 Mar 2015 11:40:20 -0700, T wrote:

A lot of Windows issues are solved just by a real power
off and reboot.

I was just curious what your experience was.

Noticed one model of Dell laptop that you have to unscrew
a panel and more screws to get the battery out. Made
for a nightmare for one lady who was running Frankenstein
(w8). Since she used her laptop of a desktop and never
took it anywhere, I had her kid just remove the stinking
battery permanently. Now when Frankie does its thing,
she just jerks out the charger cord and problem solved.
What was Dell thinking!

Doesn't holding the power button for 4 seconds have the same effect?
On the rare occasion a computer hangs and won't respond to anything
else, I've always found that to do the trick.

Rod.


Hi Rod,

In here instance, holding down the power button was ignored.
That trick only works when the motherboard itself is not
crashed.

-T

On 03/13/2015 12:17 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
T wrote:

On 03/13/2015 07:10 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
No one was harmed by the vulnerability or the resulting patch.
No one's system even had to be rebooted.

No one was harmed by the vulnerability? Did you really just say that? You
can't be that out of touch, right?

Hi Char,

Yes I did. The vulnerability was fixed as soon as someone found it.
No malware was written for it. Wouldn't make any sense to
do so as the fix hit so rapidly. And everyone's machine
still worked afterwards.

The system worked. The patch did not have to wait years
for someone to write a virus based on it (like the
Blaster virus).

I'm not sure how you can say the system worked, but if that's your
definition of working, leave me out.

I think maybe you are letting your loyalty get in your
way of your thinking. The Open SSL event is one of those
spec in Linux's eye versus the board in Windows' eye.

Windows is riddled with stories of disasters after
disaster. And the patches are horrible. Some of
my customers consider them worse than the viruses.
They are not, but it would be interesting to see an economic
analysis of the damage their bad patches have caused.

But it is good to be loyal. I don't think it is
appropriate in this instance. (You notice I rip
all OS'es when called for.)

-T

The more OS'es you know, the more fun this job
becomes. I still think OSx is WEIRD, but I
get around in it okay. No weirder than
Frankenstein or son-thereof. I shake my
head at IOS, but it is rather well done for a
toy operating system.

iOS is a limited form of OS X. OS X is UNIX underneath.
Linux is not. So, seeing that Android is Linux based and seems to be a very
easy target to hack, which I have heard of, the security for Android is more
likely compromised by Google themselves.
iOS seems to be a lot more secure than the Android.



I have heard from many sources the Android is easy pickings.
There is a rumor that they are trying to add SE Linux to it.

On 03/13/2015 12:14 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
Slimer wrote:

On 2015-03-12 6:34 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 12 Mar 2015 20:30:54 +0100, A wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:
On Wed, 11 Mar 2015 12:37:45 -0700, T wrote:

You are deceiving yourself if you think Linux is not more
secure. It is open for anyone to look at. No back doors.
World wide code checkers.

I've heard that repeated many times over the years, and yet there have
been several openSSL issues that have recently come to light, one or
more of which is said to have existed for over a decade. Just because
people *can* check the source doesn't necessarily mean that anyone
does.


Linux isn't bulletproof but it's more secure than Windows. If only it
had a decent office suite. Alas, maybe some day. A lot of that I think
has to do with Linux users being more tech savvy as a whole than Windows
users as most users are compromised by being tricked into either
clicking on something they shouldn't or by being persuaded to part with
their money or both.

"More secure", yes, but I was primarily knocking the assumption that a
lot of eyes are looking at the code because it's open source. I don't
really think that's true.

One word: OpenSSL. The "many eyes" of open-source disregard a critical
bug in there for the largest part of a decade. Who knows what other
holes they'll find in the Linux can of worms?


Glibc... strlen, strcpy, strcat, etc. They aren't secure.
Visual Studio complains about these and suggests to use the secure versions
to strlen_s, strcpy_s, strcat_s, etc. They work a bit differently and these
old functions are vulnerable to buffer overflows.


SE Linux will block them from going were they shouldn't. This
is why I prefer Red Hat's offering as it comes with SE Linux built
in and enabled.

On 03/13/2015 12:34 PM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
And yes, I avoid using my credit cards wherever I can. Target
really screwed up on so many levels.
Not worried about credit cards, here in the USA, we are indemnified against
virtually all credit card fraud by the card issuers.

We just all pay extra for the "cost of doing business".

If you are going to worry
about such things, be concerned with your debit cards, even if they have the
Mastercard or Visa logo.

1+

I don't have a debit card for that reason.

On Fri, 13 Mar 2015 13:17:13 -0700, T wrote:

A lot of Windows issues are solved just by a real power
off and reboot.

I was just curious what your experience was.

Noticed one model of Dell laptop that you have to unscrew
a panel and more screws to get the battery out. Made
for a nightmare for one lady who was running Frankenstein
(w8). Since she used her laptop of a desktop and never
took it anywhere, I had her kid just remove the stinking
battery permanently. Now when Frankie does its thing,
she just jerks out the charger cord and problem solved.
What was Dell thinking!

Doesn't holding the power button for 4 seconds have the same effect?
On the rare occasion a computer hangs and won't respond to anything
else, I've always found that to do the trick.

Rod.


Hi Rod,

In here instance, holding down the power button was ignored.
That trick only works when the motherboard itself is not
crashed.

Ah. It's serious then.

Rod.

On 2015-03-12 11:08 PM, T wrote:
On 03/12/2015 04:29 PM, Slimer wrote:

"More secure", yes, but I was primarily knocking the assumption that a
lot
of eyes are looking at the code because it's open source. I don't really
think that's true.

One word: OpenSSL. The "many eyes" of open-source disregard a critical
bug in there for the largest part of a decade. Who knows what other
holes they'll find in the Linux can of worms?

Hi Slimer,

That would be the speck in Linux eye versus the board in
Windows eye.

When discovered, it was announced and fixed immediately.
And I really, really mean IMMEDIATELY.

No one was harmed by the vulnerability or the resulting patch.
No one's system even had to be rebooted.

The system worked. The patch did not have to wait years
for someone to write a virus based on it (like the
Blaster virus).

No problem was that it might have been fixed immediately (your claim)
but the fix might not have actually been deployed across the board
immediately. After all, you're looking at a few hundred distributions
with their own repositories and their own developers. Maybe the Fedora
guys got to it immediately, but is that reason to believe that the guys
working on Sabayon did as well? What about Arch?

--
Slimer
OpenMedia, GreenPeace Supporter & SPCA Paw Partner
Encrypt.

- "Export-grade." Right. Not much of Winblows is "export grade"." -
chrisv, demonstrating that he has no idea what "export-grade" means
- "Both you and the POS that calls itself "GreyCloud" have *baselessly*
accused advocates of "lying" about their kill-file usage." - chrisv,
accusing someone who in his killfile of lying about his killfile
- "For some time M$ mandated that IE be the only browser installed, and
that it appear right on the desktop. OEM's had no choice in the matter
- M$ insisted on control of the boot process." - chrisv, lying shamelessly
- "Too bloated for the 386? X ran happily on lesser machines." -
JEDIDIAH, lying shamelessly
- "PnP hardware worked in Linux like it did in WinDOS." - JEDIDIAH,
again lying shamelessly
- "Are you still a homophobe or have you finally come out of the
closet?" - Donald Miller, too dumb to know the difference between a
homophobe and a homosexual.
- "Idiot. That (referring to software Creative Labs provided with its
Sound Blaster line) was needed because the MSDOS driver was too dumb to
figure out the parameters on its own. That has absolutely nothing to do
with "software which essentually configured the card"" - Peter Köhlmann,
trying in vain to change the meaning of the word "configure."

On 2015-03-12 11:27 PM, T wrote:
On 03/12/2015 04:20 PM, Slimer wrote:
On 2015-03-12 5:29 PM, T wrote:
On 03/11/2015 03:18 PM, Slimer wrote:
Instability however, is another issue. Windows 7 is NOT unstable.

Hi Slimer,

Ask yourself why Windows 7 has restore points and roll back
features. This is an attempt to control the inherent
instability of the OS. Linux and OSx don't have such an
animal because they don't need it.

Linux is adopting btrfs which, as of right now, is an incredibly
unstable filesystem but when complete, will allow Linux users to roll
back the operating system to when it last worked. Is that evidence of
Linux being unstable too? Hypocrite.

Wow! You really aught to do some research before you make
statements like that. And, you really need to develop
some manners.

Red Hat has adopted XFS for their file system. It is very mature
and very stable. Red hat tested the hell out of it for YEARS.

It also support EXT4 with is also stable and mature. I use EXT4
*ALL THE TIME*. I have played with XFS. XFS is better at HUGE
files in HUGE databases.

What the hell is "btrfs"?

It's the filesystem which is set to replace ext4 because of its advanced
features.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Btrfs

Listen, I know very well about Linux's advantages. However, I've been
sucked into using it far too many times. I've personally experienced the
crashes, data loss, hardware malfunction, screen tearing and system
breaks that go along with Linux and have therefore been soured on the
idea of using it again. I used to be passionate about the idea that I
would use open-source and ONLY open-source on my computer. If it wasn't
free software, I avoided it. However, the abuse of the people using it,
the overall ****tiness of the code and especially being called a liar
for pointing out real issues (screen tearing in games which did not
exist on the same titles in Windows, inability to sleep, inability to
shut down, etc..) pointed me in the direction of Windows and I will
never again tolerate the bull**** people spread about the grass being
greener on the open-source side.

Here's the reality: Windows works. If it doesn't, there's a good reason.

People will point out that there are viruses and malware on it. That's
true. Except that Windows requires malware and viruses to take it down.
Linux, in my experience, doesn't need to be affected by such software
because it does a good job of falling apart on its own. Why murder the
suicidal?

--
Slimer
OpenMedia, GreenPeace Supporter & SPCA Paw Partner
Encrypt.

- "Export-grade." Right. Not much of Winblows is "export grade"." -
chrisv, demonstrating that he has no idea what "export-grade" means
- "Both you and the POS that calls itself "GreyCloud" have *baselessly*
accused advocates of "lying" about their kill-file usage." - chrisv,
accusing someone who in his killfile of lying about his killfile
- "For some time M$ mandated that IE be the only browser installed, and
that it appear right on the desktop. OEM's had no choice in the matter
- M$ insisted on control of the boot process." - chrisv, lying shamelessly
- "Too bloated for the 386? X ran happily on lesser machines." -
JEDIDIAH, lying shamelessly
- "PnP hardware worked in Linux like it did in WinDOS." - JEDIDIAH,
again lying shamelessly
- "Are you still a homophobe or have you finally come out of the
closet?" - Donald Miller, too dumb to know the difference between a
homophobe and a homosexual.
- "Idiot. That (referring to software Creative Labs provided with its
Sound Blaster line) was needed because the MSDOS driver was too dumb to
figure out the parameters on its own. That has absolutely nothing to do
with "software which essentually configured the card"" - Peter Köhlmann,
trying in vain to change the meaning of the word "configure."

On 2015-03-12 11:52 PM, T wrote:
On 03/12/2015 04:27 PM, Slimer wrote:
On 2015-03-12 5:45 PM, T wrote:
A rollback doesn't touch your documents at all. That is yet another
blatant lie.

Hi Shadow,

You got my name wrong, your first lie in this post.

What is with the name calling? Be a gentleman. If you want
me to go into detail, just ask. I will give you a hint: I
said nothing about documents being rolled back because
I wasn't talking about documents. Think r-e-g-e-s-t-r-y.
I was configuring things. Those configurations go into
the registry.

Goal post moved noted, lie #2.

By all means, provide a link to a single one and make sure to quote the
explanation as to _why_ they didn't.

Look through Info Worlds archives,

No evidence whatsoever to provide, lie #3.

Another shameless lie. Mac OS X is by far the _slowest_ operating
system
I've ever used. On 4GB of RAM, Windows 7 is excellent. On 4GB of
RAM, OS
X is slow as molasses. I get superior performance on a Core i3 with 4GB
RAM with Windows 7 running on NTFS than I could ever get on a Core i5
with 4GB RAM running OS X. Every single time I have to fix my parents'
Mac Mini Core i5, I am ASTOUNDED by how slow it is.

Again with the name calling.

Liars deserve no less.

I do not see a lot of macs, but I do see them. Their use of
solid state hard drive means they kick butt speed wise over
mechanical drive systems of any type. OSx is basically
Posix UNIX with an (extremely) proprietary GUI on top of it.

What you describe sounds like something is wrong. Do you
have an Apple Store near by that you can take it to?

The use of the SSD on OS X machines only allows it to run acceptably.
Use that SSD with Windows and it'll fly. Apple is simply making up for
horribly slow and memory-hungry OS X is by bundling most of its machines
with that technology. Use a typical hard disk and you'll feel the pain.

I have to set up nightly reboot on Windows servers their
quality is so bad.

My brother-in-law handles Windows servers and he never restarts them.
You're lying yet again.

Did your mother ever teach you any manners?

She did, and she admitted that liars such as yourself deserve none of
them.

And ask him. I commonly have mine restart at 2:00 in the
morning automatically.

So because you do it, it means that everyone does. Right?

Complete bull****. My parents' Mac Mini, under my own recommendation,
was never shut down. I believed bull**** like yours for so long that I
actually thought OS X could perform well for weeks or months without
shutting down. Meanwhile, it becomes disgusting pig on day 2. Before
that, I had a G5 iMac, G4 Powerbook and G3 iBook also slowed to a crawl
if not shut down every day. My Windows 8 laptop is never shut down and
meanwhile remains fast at all times. It's not because I'm a magician
either.

Sounds to me like there is something wrong with it. Any Apple
stores near by?

It's not damaged. The hard disk and everything has been tested. The OS
is just slow. My students' Mac is the same way and no amount of your
lies has managed to speed it up so far.

That was true for Windows 8. A shutdown option was indeed available but
you needed to configure it in. However, everyone is running 8.1 since a
while now and your statement is no longer correct. Like everything else
you said, it's complete bull****.

I have to configure it in 8.1 too. And sometimes the updates
set it back. Anyone else see this?

Only you. Maybe you have no idea how to install 8.1? Hint: it's not in
the Windows Updates.

Every Windows OS can be infected if stupid users are at the helm. Which
is more impacted and which is less is inconsequential.

That was not the point. The point was that M$ marketing department
has stated that W7 is far more secure than XP and that is one
of the best reasons to upgrade. The statement is false.

And you are correct. The weakest security link is the user.

I don't see any difference in security between XP and 7. Considering
that only 8 allows for applications to run within a walled garden and
even then, only for applications in the modern interface, I can't
imagine what 7 provided in terms of additional security. It had a really
crappy malware protection built-in. Perhaps that's what Microsoft was
referring to?



Slimer,

You are an ass hole. I do not wish to know you or
to ever have any future contact with you.

I am kill filing you.

Good.

--
Slimer
OpenMedia, GreenPeace Supporter & SPCA Paw Partner
Encrypt.

- "Export-grade." Right. Not much of Winblows is "export grade"." -
chrisv, demonstrating that he has no idea what "export-grade" means
- "Both you and the POS that calls itself "GreyCloud" have *baselessly*
accused advocates of "lying" about their kill-file usage." - chrisv,
accusing someone who in his killfile of lying about his killfile
- "For some time M$ mandated that IE be the only browser installed, and
that it appear right on the desktop. OEM's had no choice in the matter
- M$ insisted on control of the boot process." - chrisv, lying shamelessly
- "Too bloated for the 386? X ran happily on lesser machines." -
JEDIDIAH, lying shamelessly
- "PnP hardware worked in Linux like it did in WinDOS." - JEDIDIAH,
again lying shamelessly
- "Are you still a homophobe or have you finally come out of the
closet?" - Donald Miller, too dumb to know the difference between a
homophobe and a homosexual.
- "Idiot. That (referring to software Creative Labs provided with its
Sound Blaster line) was needed because the MSDOS driver was too dumb to
figure out the parameters on its own. That has absolutely nothing to do
with "software which essentually configured the card"" - Peter Köhlmann,
trying in vain to change the meaning of the word "configure."

On 2015-03-13 10:10 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 12 Mar 2015 20:08:44 -0700, T wrote:

On 03/12/2015 04:29 PM, Slimer wrote:

"More secure", yes, but I was primarily knocking the assumption that a
lot
of eyes are looking at the code because it's open source. I don't really
think that's true.

One word: OpenSSL. The "many eyes" of open-source disregard a critical
bug in there for the largest part of a decade. Who knows what other
holes they'll find in the Linux can of worms?

Hi Slimer,

That would be the speck in Linux eye versus the board in
Windows eye.

When discovered, it was announced and fixed immediately.
And I really, really mean IMMEDIATELY.

No one was harmed by the vulnerability or the resulting patch.
No one's system even had to be rebooted.

No one was harmed by the vulnerability? Did you really just say that? You
can't be that out of touch, right?

He was LIEing for LIEnux. That's what Linux advocates do.

--
Slimer
OpenMedia, GreenPeace Supporter & SPCA Paw Partner
Encrypt.

- "Export-grade." Right. Not much of Winblows is "export grade"." -
chrisv, demonstrating that he has no idea what "export-grade" means
- "Both you and the POS that calls itself "GreyCloud" have *baselessly*
accused advocates of "lying" about their kill-file usage." - chrisv,
accusing someone who in his killfile of lying about his killfile
- "For some time M$ mandated that IE be the only browser installed, and
that it appear right on the desktop. OEM's had no choice in the matter
- M$ insisted on control of the boot process." - chrisv, lying shamelessly
- "Too bloated for the 386? X ran happily on lesser machines." -
JEDIDIAH, lying shamelessly
- "PnP hardware worked in Linux like it did in WinDOS." - JEDIDIAH,
again lying shamelessly
- "Are you still a homophobe or have you finally come out of the
closet?" - Donald Miller, too dumb to know the difference between a
homophobe and a homosexual.
- "Idiot. That (referring to software Creative Labs provided with its
Sound Blaster line) was needed because the MSDOS driver was too dumb to
figure out the parameters on its own. That has absolutely nothing to do
with "software which essentually configured the card"" - Peter Köhlmann,
trying in vain to change the meaning of the word "configure."