Microsoft stops support of old Windows on new PCs. What?

Nomen Nescio wrote on 01/18/2016 6:06 PM:
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". . .winston" wrote:

Big Bad Bob wrote on 01/18/2016 11:17 AM:
On 01/17/16 14:01, Anonymous Remailer (austria) so wittily quipped:
http://www.computerworld.com/article/3023533/microsoft-
windows/microsoft-support-windows-10-new-hardware-itbwcw.html

more he

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/01..._join_in_perfe
ct_harmony_to_praise_windows_10/



The Register said:
"Windows 7 is already getting put on a nil-by-mouth diet: it gets
“security, reliability, and compatibility� support for older silicon
until January 2020 (2023 for 8.1).

After 2017, Microsoft's post states, security fixes will only be
released if they don't pose a risk “reliability or compatibility�."

Microsoft said:
"hrough July 17, 2017, Skylake devices on the supported list will also
be supported with Windows 7 and 8.1. During the 18-month support period,
these systems should be upgraded to Windows 10 to continue receiving
support after the period ends. After July 2017, the most critical
Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 security updates will be addressed for these
configurations, and will be released if the update does not risk the
reliability or compatibility of the Windows 7/8.1 platform on other
devices."

There's a big difference
- the risk and reliability comment applies to Skylake Win7 devices
after July 2017, not all Win7 devices.

As noted elsewhere - no change in 2017 for 7/8.1 except for Skylake.


It doesn't mean an OEM can't produce a CPU that conflicts with
Microsoft's sales policy.

Suspect that they will.

There will always be VMWare and fast SSDs so MS can't really
enforce the policy anyway.

My virtual OS museum will survive intact and there isn't a
damned thing they can do about it.



That is correct. If you read the article that possibility for Dell, HP,
and Lenovo would appear to be a diminishing reality. Not all dreams
come true.

This isn't really about enforcement - its about updates, availability,
and support across the entire ecosystem(MSFT, OEM's and Intel).



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msft mvp windows experience

On Mon, 18 Jan 2016 14:17:33 -0600, JEDIDIAH wrote:

On 2016-01-18, Elias wrote:
On Mon, 18 Jan 2016 13:41:22 -0500, ". . .winston"
wrote:

Big Bad Bob wrote on 01/18/2016 11:17 AM:
On 01/17/16 14:01, Anonymous Remailer (austria) so wittily quipped:
http://www.computerworld.com/article/3023533/microsoft-
windows/microsoft-support-windows-10-new-hardware-itbwcw.html

more he

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/01/18/
microsoft_vendors_join_in_perfect_harmony_to_prais e_windows_10/



The Register said:
"Windows 7 is already getting put on a nil-by-mouth diet: it gets
“security, reliability, and compatibility” support for older silicon
until January 2020 (2023 for 8.1).

After 2017, Microsoft's post states, security fixes will only be
released if they don't pose a risk “reliability or compatibility”."

Microsoft said:
"hrough July 17, 2017, Skylake devices on the supported list will also
be supported with Windows 7 and 8.1. During the 18-month support
period,
these systems should be upgraded to Windows 10 to continue receiving
support after the period ends. After July 2017, the most critical
Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 security updates will be addressed for these
configurations, and will be released if the update does not risk the
reliability or compatibility of the Windows 7/8.1 platform on other
devices."

There's a big difference
- the risk and reliability comment applies to Skylake Win7 devices
after July 2017, not all Win7 devices.

As noted elsewhere - no change in 2017 for 7/8.1 except for Skylake.

I bought my PC last June. How do I know if I have Skylake?

How do you know if ANY PC bought at ANY time has it?

I know mine has it -- that is to say, the new mobo, CPU, and memory I
have sitting behind me waiting for installation.

I feel a little ripped off that I plonked down the money for a Skylake
processor, only to find out that Win7 won't be supporting it before long.

Linux fun fact: You might think the Skylake GPU hardware is superfluous,
but actually, you can use it for encoding your twitch.tv streams with
H.264.

(Of course, your NVidia card also has dedicated hardware for that --
which means, even more flexibility in setting up your rig.)

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On 2016-01-19, vallor wrote:
On Mon, 18 Jan 2016 14:17:33 -0600, JEDIDIAH wrote:

On 2016-01-18, Elias wrote:
On Mon, 18 Jan 2016 13:41:22 -0500, ". . .winston"
wrote:

Big Bad Bob wrote on 01/18/2016 11:17 AM:
On 01/17/16 14:01, Anonymous Remailer (austria) so wittily quipped:
http://www.computerworld.com/article/3023533/microsoft-
windows/microsoft-support-windows-10-new-hardware-itbwcw.html

more he

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/01/18/
microsoft_vendors_join_in_perfect_harmony_to_prais e_windows_10/



The Register said:
"Windows 7 is already getting put on a nil-by-mouth diet: it gets
“security, reliability, and compatibility” support for older silicon
until January 2020 (2023 for 8.1).

After 2017, Microsoft's post states, security fixes will only be
released if they don't pose a risk “reliability or compatibility”."

Microsoft said:
"hrough July 17, 2017, Skylake devices on the supported list will also
be supported with Windows 7 and 8.1. During the 18-month support
period,
these systems should be upgraded to Windows 10 to continue receiving
support after the period ends. After July 2017, the most critical
Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 security updates will be addressed for these
configurations, and will be released if the update does not risk the
reliability or compatibility of the Windows 7/8.1 platform on other
devices."

There's a big difference
- the risk and reliability comment applies to Skylake Win7 devices
after July 2017, not all Win7 devices.

As noted elsewhere - no change in 2017 for 7/8.1 except for Skylake.

I bought my PC last June. How do I know if I have Skylake?

How do you know if ANY PC bought at ANY time has it?

I know mine has it -- that is to say, the new mobo, CPU, and memory I
have sitting behind me waiting for installation.

I feel a little ripped off that I plonked down the money for a Skylake
processor, only to find out that Win7 won't be supporting it before long.

Linux fun fact: You might think the Skylake GPU hardware is superfluous,
but actually, you can use it for encoding your twitch.tv streams with
H.264.

My 6 year old machine already does that sort of thing at about 200fps.

Hardware accelerated h265 encoding might be intresting though.

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Roger Blake wrote:

On 2016-01-18, JEDIDIAH wrote:
How do you know if ANY PC bought at ANY time has it?

Look up the CPU model number. It should be under BIOS system info if
nowhere else. Dell has been selling Windows 7 Pro systems equipped
with Skylake CPUs.

good luck doing that on the uefi bios' that have been password
protected by the oem.

that is what this is all about, locking users out of the
hardware.

i see some big lawsuits coming.

Roger Blake wrote on 1/18/2016 3:41 PM:
On 2016-01-18, JEDIDIAH wrote:
How do you know if ANY PC bought at ANY time has it?

Look up the CPU model number. It should be under BIOS system info if
nowhere else. Dell has been selling Windows 7 Pro systems equipped
with Skylake CPUs.


You might try:

http://www.belarc.com/Programs/advisorinstaller.exe

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Deja New: What? Again?

Fritz Wuehler wrote on 01/18/2016 8:23 PM:
In article
Roger Blake wrote:

On 2016-01-18, JEDIDIAH wrote:
How do you know if ANY PC bought at ANY time has it?

Look up the CPU model number. It should be under BIOS system info if
nowhere else. Dell has been selling Windows 7 Pro systems equipped
with Skylake CPUs.

good luck doing that on the uefi bios' that have been password
protected by the oem.

that is what this is all about, locking users out of the
hardware.

i see some big lawsuits coming.


Start Button, type system, select System Information, let it load,
select the System Summary - look under Processor to see the CPU.


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msft mvp windows experience

Anonymous Remailer (austria):
Microsoft is making some terrible changes to the Windows support
policies. For the first time, older versions of Windows won't be
supported on new hardware.

So when Richard's old PC, the gift he got for retirement 20 years ago at
Walmart, finally breaks down, then he will not be able to use Windows XP
any longer for scripting his QS phenom? Oh my goodness, what will the
trolls and beta straglers do around here without his updates!

Then again, maybe we should look at the bright side of this development.
Someone with a postmodern compiler will step up to fill his void!

In article
Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous Remailer (austria):
Microsoft is making some terrible changes to the Windows support
policies. For the first time, older versions of Windows won't be
supported on new hardware.

So when Richard's old PC, the gift he got for retirement 20 years ago at
Walmart, finally breaks down, then he will not be able to use Windows XP
any longer for scripting his QS phenom? Oh my goodness, what will the
trolls and beta straglers do around here without his updates!

I guess we'll have to continue using the software that he wrote
years ago because it works so well.

Posted with Quicksilver 1.2.7.2, Mixmaster 3.0.3.a, Windows 10
x64.

I have QSlite too.

In article ers.net,
says...

In article
Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous Remailer (austria):
Microsoft is making some terrible changes to the Windows support
policies. For the first time, older versions of Windows won't be
supported on new hardware.

So when Richard's old PC, the gift he got for retirement 20 years ago at
Walmart, finally breaks down, then he will not be able to use Windows XP
any longer for scripting his QS phenom? Oh my goodness, what will the
trolls and beta straglers do around here without his updates!

I guess we'll have to continue using the software that he wrote
years ago because it works so well.

Posted with Quicksilver 1.2.7.2, Mixmaster 3.0.3.a, Windows 10
x64.

I have QSlite too.

I've often stated that I feel that "by law" companies should be
obligated/reguired to release all source code to every product they've
ever sold once they no longer support it. Our society didn't need that
provision when things could be examined and then duplicated but "code"
is a different beast and that approach is not feasible. Therefore we
should devise some other means to insure old does not mean forgotten to
never be usefull again.

My take is that as a society we nutured the people (and companies) who
created the code therefore we at least in some manner own a piece of it
and we should not allow that to simply be disposed of rather than being
added to our common pool of knowledge.

On Thu, 21 Jan 2016 16:50:14 -0400, pjp wrote:

I've often stated that I feel that "by law" companies should be
obligated/reguired to release all source code to every product they've
ever sold once they no longer support it. Our society didn't need that
provision when things could be examined and then duplicated but "code"
is a different beast and that approach is not feasible. Therefore we
should devise some other means to insure old does not mean forgotten to
never be usefull again.

IMO, it should be when the software is no longer on sale, in production, and
doesn't jeopardize the company's current products (which also jeopardize
people's jobs; ie. secretaries, securities, janitors, etc.). Or the company
has gone bankrupt.

My take is that as a society we nutured the people (and companies) who
created the code therefore we at least in some manner own a piece of it
and we should not allow that to simply be disposed of rather than being
added to our common pool of knowledge.

As long as concept of business is still within our lives, that would only be
a wishful thinking.

In article
Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous Remailer (austria):
Microsoft is making some terrible changes to the Windows support
policies. For the first time, older versions of Windows won't be
supported on new hardware.

So when Richard's old PC, the gift he got for retirement 20 years ago at
Walmart, finally breaks down, then he will not be able to use Windows XP
any longer for scripting his QS phenom? Oh my goodness, what will the
trolls and beta straglers do around here without his updates!

I guess we'll have to continue using the software that he wrote
years ago because it works so well.

Posted with Quicksilver 1.2.7.2, Mixmaster 3.0.3.a, Windows 10
x64.

I have QSlite too.

pjp wrote:
In article ers.net,
says...
In article
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous Remailer (austria):
Microsoft is making some terrible changes to the Windows support
policies. For the first time, older versions of Windows won't be
supported on new hardware.
So when Richard's old PC, the gift he got for retirement 20 years ago at
Walmart, finally breaks down, then he will not be able to use Windows XP
any longer for scripting his QS phenom? Oh my goodness, what will the
trolls and beta straglers do around here without his updates!
I guess we'll have to continue using the software that he wrote
years ago because it works so well.

Posted with Quicksilver 1.2.7.2, Mixmaster 3.0.3.a, Windows 10
x64.

I have QSlite too.
I've often stated that I feel that "by law" companies should be
obligated/reguired to release all source code to every product they've
ever sold once they no longer support it. Our society didn't need that
provision when things could be examined and then duplicated but "code"
is a different beast and that approach is not feasible. Therefore we
should devise some other means to insure old does not mean forgotten to
never be usefull again.

My take is that as a society we nutured the people (and companies) who
created the code therefore we at least in some manner own a piece of it
and we should not allow that to simply be disposed of rather than being
added to our common pool of knowledge.

FWIW, I agree with you.
bj