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  #31  
Old May 26th 18, 09:26 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 5/25/2018 8:38 PM, *️Good Guy*️ wrote:
On 26/05/2018 01:16, Steve wrote:
On 5/25/2018 5:47 PM, Good Guy wrote:
On 25/05/2018 22:32, Steve wrote:



My thanks for doing all that is that my computer is all jumpy again.
Firefox works but jumps from one part of a web page to another, then
back where it was supposed to be.


Just cut the crap and reformat the Hard Disk and start again.
Alternatively reset your machine to factory settings and your OEM
must have given you instructions how to do it.

You can use the Microsoft tools to get back to business.* To do this
go to:

Settings Update & Security Recovery

Now on the right-Hand-Side Windows you will see a link that says
Restart.* Click on it and after the machine has restarted, you'll get
various options how to reset your machine.

There is no need to cry for days on a public newsgroup when you
should have done this within an hour when you found your machine is
compromised.* Even for jobless nutters there is no excuse to waste
time about this.

Good luck.


I'll try to be brief.
I wouldn't consider myself to be crying on a public newsgroup. I just
wanted to be sure I was taking the best path. This morning, I
concluded that doing a reset was probably the next best thing to try.
Earlier, I was looking right at the "keep my files" option for doing a
reset, but I didn't click it. I had a question, and that was going to
be the new topic I mentioned earlier. I better do it now while things
are working:

Just once before have I done a "keep my files" reset and that was when
my nephew asked me to help him with his laptop (imagine that). He had
a machine that came with windows 10 in the first place. Mine is an
older desktop that came with windows 7 originally. I still have a
partition that contains the original OS. I would really hope and
assume that if I reset my computer, it stays with Windows 10. Yeah, I
do feel stupid for asking that, thank you very much.** :-)


OK let me suggest one more thing and it is completely non-destructive.
The trick is to create a new Windows Profile. This is not some fancy
term that people can't understand.* Windows Profile means creating a new
user on the same machine.* After creating a new user account, use that
to see if the problem is still there.* If the problem has disappeared
then you know that your old profile is corrupted and so the only way is
to repair it (if you want to keep the same username) or continue using
the new account you just created.* You need to copy your old files -
documents, photos, videos etc from the old corrupted account to the new
account.* That is all.

Once you are all setup, you can delete the old corrupted account from
your machine.

Does this sound a better way to test your machine before reformatting or
resetting it?* Let us know.

OK don't cry if this doesn't sound a good idea.* People have funny ways
of doing things without knowing that in computers there are many ways to
change a background image!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Well, I created a new Windows Profile and tried it. It did no better
than the main profile. The odd thing was, the new profile had 7 icons on
the desktop. Recycle bin and Microsoft Edge were no surprise, but the
other 5 shouldn't have been there. Things like Firefox, MozBackup,
Winamp, and spybot s&d. KenW had a suggestion, but I don't think I'm
able to do that one.
Maybe this evening, I'll go on with the "keep my files" reset.
That reminds me, you never did assure me that a Windows 10 reset keeps
Windows 10 and will not revert to Windows 7 where this computer started.
(Oh great. This refuses to send. Trying again.)
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  #32  
Old May 27th 18, 04:05 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Sat, 26 May 2018 16:26:20 -0400, Steve wrote:

That reminds me, you never did assure me that a Windows 10 reset keeps
Windows 10 and will not revert to Windows 7 where this computer started.


Unfortunately, you're stuck with Windows 10. To upgrade to an earlier
version of Windows, you'll have to start from scratch and do a full
install.

  #33  
Old May 27th 18, 07:15 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Steve
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On 5/27/2018 11:05 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Sat, 26 May 2018 16:26:20 -0400, Steve wrote:

That reminds me, you never did assure me that a Windows 10 reset keeps
Windows 10 and will not revert to Windows 7 where this computer started.


Unfortunately, you're stuck with Windows 10. To upgrade to an earlier
version of Windows, you'll have to start from scratch and do a full
install.

Thanks.
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Old May 27th 18, 07:53 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 5/26/2018 8:09 PM, *️Good Guy*️ wrote:
On 26/05/2018 21:26, Steve wrote:


That reminds me, you never did assure me that a Windows 10 reset keeps
Windows 10 and will not revert to Windows 7 where this computer started.


I can assure that Windows 10 will not revert to Windows 7 ever again.* I
presume it has been more than 30 days (for Windows 7 reversion) and more
than 10 days for upgrade to 1803 from 1709?

First try to go back (some call this rollback) to 1709 by doing this:

Settings Update & Security Recovery

Now* scroll down to the ‘Go back to the previous version of Windows 10’
section and if it is still there you can click on "Get Started"

This will take you to Windows 10 1709.

After this you can create a full backup or image of the HD BEFORE you do
other tests as suggested in this newsgroup.* You don't want to lose
anything important.

However, if you don't have many Apps that requires activation then the
best way forward is to do a clean installation.* this is by wiping
everything from the disk and starting again.** With Windows 10 you don't
have to worry about license because it is already activated and you get
the license automatically.* I think Microsoft is using MAC address of
the machine to activate products.* People have tried to fool Microsoft
servers by cloning the MAC address but Windows doesn't rely on software
to get this info.* It goes straight to the hardware and gets it.* You
are safe to do clean installation.

I personally think that 1803 has gone terribly wrong on your machine and
so only the clean installation can correct it.* Recovery option may not
work IMO because the image files that Microsoft uses is broken on your
machine.* Me thinks so anyway.

Good luck.

I'm back... I didn't do anything until late last night because because
the computer shaped up (again) and, since I always talk to a small group
on Saturday nights, I figured I wouldn't mess with it until that was over.
I then started the rollback and went to bed. Today, I looked in settings
and it tells me 1709 was successfully installed (today). Now I wait.
It's perfectly fine right now, but it was also perfectly fine yesterday
for some hours before I did the rollback.
I'm not really optimistic because... here's the thing. I started this
thread on 5/18. I see the update to 1803 was on 5/16. The first episode
of it going all "jumpy" (as I've been calling it) was at least a week
before that.
When it messes up again and I resort to doing a clean install of Windows
10, I know I'll have a couple of questions.
Thanks for all the help. It is appreciated.

  #35  
Old May 28th 18, 07:52 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 5/27/2018 9:04 PM, *️Good Guy*️ wrote:
On 27/05/2018 19:53, Steve wrote:

When it messes up again and I resort to doing a clean install of
Windows 10, I know I'll have a couple of questions.
Thanks for all the help. It is appreciated.


Whatever you do next, please, please backup your hard drive.* You don't
want to lose anything important.

YOU HAVE BEEN REMINDED ONCE AGAIN!!!** NO EXCUSES IF SOMETHING GOES
WRONG HENCE FORTH.


Thanks. I back up a group of files every week. Yesterday I did a full
mirror image backup because I hadn't done that in a while.
The computer is still working normally, by the way. I'm just watching
and waiting for now.
  #36  
Old July 10th 18, 10:52 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 5/18/2018 12:28 AM, Steve wrote:
Not sure the computer will let me send this, but here goes.

About 2 weeks ago, it started. I first saw it using a little program
called Mail Washer. It started trying to log in to the mail server over
and over, multiple times a second. The "process" button wouldn't
function to let me delete the ones selected.
I quickly discovered it wasn't a mail washer problem. Firefox, windows
explorer, and Thunderbird weren't good either. In a browser, the open
tab flashes back and forth between the circle arrow(reload page) and the
X (stop). Again multiple times a second. Most web pages eventually go
white.
While this is going on, the desktop icons don't function. Double click
does nothing and right click opens up the menu that should come up when
I right click and empty spot on the desktop.
I "fixed it" once by bringing up troubleshooting. Troubleshoot windows
update, it found something and fixed it. Good for over a week.
Last night, it prompted me to install an update by restarting. It's set
to install updates automatically, so I don't see these requests often. I
shut it down overnight. Today I turned it back on. It took maybe half an
hour installing an update. I tried undoing that update but it couldn't
do it. Troubleshooting is no help this time.
Where do I start now?



I am replying to my old post from May. Perhaps not a single person will
see it, but so be it.
Without doing anything else, my computer has been completely normal for
these last 6 weeks or so. I learned something about it today:
This computer has had off and on problems with insomnia since I got it
in the early Windows 7 days. I always put it in sleep mode when I was
ready for bed myself. Sometimes it would work for several days, then
start waking back up right away. That night I would turn it off and it
might be good again for several days.
What I have been doing is shutting it down completely every night. It's
been working fine all this time. I noticed recently it went into sleep
mode by itself and stayed there, so last night I did sleep mode for the
first time in weeks. Today the old trouble is back. Some sites are
unusable right now. I shut the computer off for a few hours this
afternoon, but that didn't help.
Right now, I'm thinking the whole problem is related to the faulty sleep
mode. If I just never use it, I'm thinking it might be all good again.

Steve
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Old July 11th 18, 08:09 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Steve wrote:

I am replying to my old post from May. Perhaps not a single person will
see it, but so be it.
Without doing anything else, my computer has been completely normal for
these last 6 weeks or so. I learned something about it today:
This computer has had off and on problems with insomnia since I got it
in the early Windows 7 days. I always put it in sleep mode when I was
ready for bed myself. Sometimes it would work for several days, then
start waking back up right away. That night I would turn it off and it
might be good again for several days.
What I have been doing is shutting it down completely every night. It's
been working fine all this time. I noticed recently it went into sleep
mode by itself and stayed there, so last night I did sleep mode for the
first time in weeks. Today the old trouble is back. Some sites are
unusable right now. I shut the computer off for a few hours this
afternoon, but that didn't help.
Right now, I'm thinking the whole problem is related to the faulty sleep
mode. If I just never use it, I'm thinking it might be all good again.


Disable all low- and off-power modes: don't use any sleep mode, don't
use hibernate nor hybrid hibernate (aka hybrid sleep). Also make sure
to disable fast startup mode. Test for several weeks. If the system
remained stable, just use hibernate mode for awhile (or get an SSD and
you won't care about boot startup time versus hibernate startup time).

If the problem goes away but comes back after reenabling one of the
power-saving modes, go into Device Manager to find which devices have a
Power Management tab when you look at their properties. Disable the
option to allow the OS to put the device to sleep.

I had a device (magicJack) whose driver interferred with sleep mode.
When the computer went into sleep, this driver prevented coming out of
sleep hence the computer was hung. I don't remember if I disabled its
power management or if that was one of the reasons I got rid of their
USB dongle and eradicated its driver from my Windows setup. Supposedly
a later chip version and a later driver fixed the problem but they
wouldn't dole out a new USB dongle unless the old one was broken, would
only replace it under warranty and would only allow a single warranteed
replacement (if the original burned up due to overheating from bad
design and was replaced, they wouldn't dole out a 3rd one even if the
2nd one went bad, too).

If you computer is waking up without user input, check events in Task
Manager. Some may be configured to wake the computer when the event is
scheduled to run. Some programs don't use the Task Scheduler to run
their scheduled events. Backup programs are notorious for using their
own scheduler process. Instead of using Task Scheduler with all of its
options, they instead use a simpleton scheduler ran as a process that is
only usable by their backup program, so check what processes you leave
running that may act as a scheduler. Also look in the BIOS for alarm
settings that will wake the computer (wake at a time, wake on LAN, wake
on whatever).
  #38  
Old July 15th 18, 09:41 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 7/11/2018 3:09 AM, VanguardLH wrote:
Steve wrote:

I am replying to my old post from May. Perhaps not a single person will
see it, but so be it.
Without doing anything else, my computer has been completely normal for
these last 6 weeks or so. I learned something about it today:
This computer has had off and on problems with insomnia since I got it
in the early Windows 7 days. I always put it in sleep mode when I was
ready for bed myself. Sometimes it would work for several days, then
start waking back up right away. That night I would turn it off and it
might be good again for several days.
What I have been doing is shutting it down completely every night. It's
been working fine all this time. I noticed recently it went into sleep
mode by itself and stayed there, so last night I did sleep mode for the
first time in weeks. Today the old trouble is back. Some sites are
unusable right now. I shut the computer off for a few hours this
afternoon, but that didn't help.
Right now, I'm thinking the whole problem is related to the faulty sleep
mode. If I just never use it, I'm thinking it might be all good again.


Disable all low- and off-power modes: don't use any sleep mode, don't
use hibernate nor hybrid hibernate (aka hybrid sleep). Also make sure
to disable fast startup mode. Test for several weeks. If the system
remained stable, just use hibernate mode for awhile (or get an SSD and
you won't care about boot startup time versus hibernate startup time).

If the problem goes away but comes back after reenabling one of the
power-saving modes, go into Device Manager to find which devices have a
Power Management tab when you look at their properties. Disable the
option to allow the OS to put the device to sleep.

I had a device (magicJack) whose driver interferred with sleep mode.
When the computer went into sleep, this driver prevented coming out of
sleep hence the computer was hung. I don't remember if I disabled its
power management or if that was one of the reasons I got rid of their
USB dongle and eradicated its driver from my Windows setup. Supposedly
a later chip version and a later driver fixed the problem but they
wouldn't dole out a new USB dongle unless the old one was broken, would
only replace it under warranty and would only allow a single warranteed
replacement (if the original burned up due to overheating from bad
design and was replaced, they wouldn't dole out a 3rd one even if the
2nd one went bad, too).

If you computer is waking up without user input, check events in Task
Manager. Some may be configured to wake the computer when the event is
scheduled to run. Some programs don't use the Task Scheduler to run
their scheduled events. Backup programs are notorious for using their
own scheduler process. Instead of using Task Scheduler with all of its
options, they instead use a simpleton scheduler ran as a process that is
only usable by their backup program, so check what processes you leave
running that may act as a scheduler. Also look in the BIOS for alarm
settings that will wake the computer (wake at a time, wake on LAN, wake
on whatever).


Thanks for finding my follow up to an old post and thanks for the very
helpful answer.
In a way, I've already been testing not using sleep mode and it's been
perfectly stable. Only when I purposely used sleep mode did it mess up
again. I have it set to sleep after 5 hours. Once I turn it off at
night, then on in the morning, I generally don't leave it alone for 5
hours all day. I leave the computer on, on Saturday night because I have
a scheduled backup every Sunday at 2 AM. I didn't check it today until
afternoon and, after the backup, it had time to go to sleep mode on its
own. I had to shut it off for a few hours before it was usable. I'll
change the settings so it never sleeps on its own.
I'll check into the other things you mentioned. It also crossed my mind
that I haven't opened the case in, probably, 3 years or more. I should
probably check for dust bunnies.

Steve



 




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