Why not Widows 10?

On 24/10/2015 07:19, Mike Barnes wrote:
16-bit programs, which might be a particular problem for you. You can
run them in a VM but that might be more trouble than it's worth.


They took 16 bit support out of 32 bit Windows 10?

--

Brian Gregory (in the UK).
To email me please remove all the letter vee from my email address.

In message , G.
Morgan writes:
Steve Hayes wrote:
[]
I haven't updated yet because:

1) I'm not sure that all my existing software will run on it, and want
to hear from others whether they've had any problems in that respect.

Yes it will, if it does on Win 7.
[]
Categorically?
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"If god doesn't like the way I live, Let him tell me, not you." - unknown

On Sat, 7 Nov 2015 11:30:29 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , Steve Hayes
writes:
[]
Ah, so a 32-bit version of Win 10 *is* available?

[Apparently. But I bet you won't find a computer with it in any shop
(-:!]

My laptop came with Win 7 64-bit installed, but had the 32-bit version
on DVD. When I found that some of my programs wouldn't run, I switched
to the 32-bit version, and all was well.

Interesting. How did the switching go?

As easy as putting in the disc and reloading the OS. I'd only had the
machine a day or two, so there was nothing to lose.



--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

---
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus

On Sat, 7 Nov 2015 08:52:19 +0000, Mike Barnes
wrote:

Steve Hayes wrote:
On Fri, 6 Nov 2015 07:06:24 +0000, Mike Barnes
wrote:

As for the difference(s) we're "obsessing over", according to a lot
here, they're a lot more than just "appearance issues" - apparently
there are significant changes to how updates and privacy (ha!) are
handled - at least by default, and possibly even if not. I cannot
confirm from personal experience, not having experienced 10 (or even 8.1
for more than a weekend).

Also W10 won't run 16-bit programs, except under a VM with a separate
Windows licence. That's a pretty serious shortcoming for me.

Now that (at last) is the kind of information I am looking for.

Shame it's wrong. :-)

I didn't say it was *the* information I was looking for, but it is
*kind of* information I am looking for,

Soes that mean that 16-bit programs that will run on Win 7 will not
run on 10?

That's what I thought when I posted that, but I was wrong. Paul put me
right. Apparently 16-bit programs run fine on W10 32-bit.

--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

---
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus

In message , Steve Hayes
writes:
On Sat, 7 Nov 2015 11:30:29 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , Steve Hayes
writes:
[]
Ah, so a 32-bit version of Win 10 *is* available?

[Apparently. But I bet you won't find a computer with it in any shop
(-:!]

My laptop came with Win 7 64-bit installed, but had the 32-bit version
on DVD. When I found that some of my programs wouldn't run, I switched
to the 32-bit version, and all was well.

Interesting. How did the switching go?

As easy as putting in the disc and reloading the OS. I'd only had the
machine a day or two, so there was nothing to lose.



Ah, so it was a new install. I had thought you'd switched after
installing various things. My misunderstanding.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Every time I think I know where it's at, they move it.

In article
G. Morgan wrote:

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

In message , G.
Morgan writes:
Steve Hayes wrote:
[]
I haven't updated yet because:

1) I'm not sure that all my existing software will run on it, and want
to hear from others whether they've had any problems in that respect.

Yes it will, if it does on Win 7.
[]
Categorically?

I had a problem with a wireless driver on one laptop, the "newer &
better" one M$FT provided didn't work. I had to reinstall the factory
one (HP), then Windows "updated" it and removed the "old" driver again!

Its fine now, as this was right at release time when it happened. I
have not seen any other "hardware issues" (this was a driver issue) on
dozens of machines I upgraded.

You can turn off driver updates so that these "MSFT knows best"
incidents don't happen.

On Fri, 06 Nov 2015 20:28:00 -0500, Moss Grimmik
wrote:

Ashton Crusher wrote:
On Fri, 6 Nov 2015 00:22:33 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , Ashton Crusher
writes:
[]
I upgraded my Win7 setup to Win8. Didn't care for the Native
interface but I got Start8 (I think but one of those "fixes") and that
made it seem a lot like how 7 looked. Used it for about a month and
thought it was OK and liked a few things better in it then in 7 but
don't recall the specifics now. The main thing I did not like was how
it "looked"... the blockiness of the windows.. it simply didn't have
the elegant and refined look of Win7, instead it had the "new look" of
"tiles", the colors were kind of stupid choices, the fonts were also
(There's a setting in Classic Shell - which tends to be missed as it's
at the bottom! - where you can turn off the Metro interface, so you
never see the tiles. I don't know if StarDate has such a setting - I'd
hope so, as it's not free [though cheap enough].)

stupid for the window titles and some other appearance stuff was to me
a step backwards. About a month after the conversion I was given a
newer more powerful computer and decided that since I was going to
have to reset up everything on the new computer I would use my Win7 on
it and get the nice looking windows back.

So bottom line is that had I not been given the new computer I would
have continued using Win8 and would have updated it to win10 without a
doubt since Win10 is just win8 'fixed". If I bought a new computer I
would get one with Win10 - the notion of getting a new computer with
Win7 because "I hate MS, etc" seems silly to me since it's not the OS
you are presumably buying a computer to run but the programs you add
to it. Other then some appearance issues the OS is just the engine
under the hood that you really shouldn't need to spend much time
thinking about or obsessing over.
So, basically, you had 7, upgraded to 8, and were about to load 7 on a
new computer because you preferred it to 8 - but would buy 10 if getting
a new PC.

So you're not really in a position to answer the question that quite a
lot of us are wondering, which is basically "what does 10 give us over
7, other than being - obviously - newer and thus will be supported for
longer?".


I thought I did in a roundabout way say - Win10 is a bit better then 8
and Win8 was a little better FUNCTIONALLY then 7 but COSMETTINCLALY I
liked 7 better so went with 7 when starting from scratch. So, if
someone doesn't care about the cosmetic (appearance) changes I see no
reason for them not to go to 10, that is unless the know that some
specific hardware of software they use will not work on 10.

As for the difference(s) we're "obsessing over", according to a lot
here, they're a lot more than just "appearance issues" - apparently
there are significant changes to how updates and privacy (ha!) are
handled - at least by default, and possibly even if not. I cannot
confirm from personal experience, not having experienced 10 (or even 8.1
for more than a weekend).

I understand that but realistically, if you are a normal non-criminal,
non-techie person the stuff windows is going to collect on you isn't
worth worrying about nor is the automatic updates. If it's something
that bothers you anyway then of course don't use 10. But not using 10
won't change how everyone captures your info, that's how the world is.
If you want to see the info capturing stop you need to do something
other then boycott 10, you need to be chewing the ears off your
representatives to get some privacy laws passed making it illegal. As
long as it's legal it forces companies that want every edge to do it,
it's a competitive marketplace. The few sales lost due to the people
who are worried about their "secret info" getting out just isn't going
to stop it. Just my opinion.
What about keystrokes Account numbers credit card numbers etc.


What about them? You don't think all that stuff is easily captured
from the millions of current windowsxp, vista, 7, 8, and 10 users now?
You think it just started with 10???

On Sun, 8 Nov 2015 20:31:37 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , Steve Hayes
writes:
On Sat, 7 Nov 2015 11:30:29 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , Steve Hayes
writes:
[]
Ah, so a 32-bit version of Win 10 *is* available?

[Apparently. But I bet you won't find a computer with it in any shop
(-:!]

My laptop came with Win 7 64-bit installed, but had the 32-bit version
on DVD. When I found that some of my programs wouldn't run, I switched
to the 32-bit version, and all was well.

Interesting. How did the switching go?

As easy as putting in the disc and reloading the OS. I'd only had the
machine a day or two, so there was nothing to lose.



Ah, so it was a new install. I had thought you'd switched after
installing various things. My misunderstanding.

I installed a few of my most-frequently-used programs. When half of
them didn't run, I installed the alternative version of the OS from
the discs provided. While it was installing, it told me that it was
saving a backup of the previous 64-bit version to a special partition
on the hard drive so I could restore it again later if I ever wanted
to. I haven't.




--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

---
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus

On 11/8/2015 5:38 PM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
In article
G. Morgan wrote:

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

In message , G.
Morgan writes:
Steve Hayes wrote:
[]
I haven't updated yet because:

1) I'm not sure that all my existing software will run on it, and want
to hear from others whether they've had any problems in that respect.

Yes it will, if it does on Win 7.
[]
Categorically?

I had a problem with a wireless driver on one laptop, the "newer &
better" one M$FT provided didn't work. I had to reinstall the factory
one (HP), then Windows "updated" it and removed the "old" driver again!

Its fine now, as this was right at release time when it happened. I
have not seen any other "hardware issues" (this was a driver issue) on
dozens of machines I upgraded.

You can turn off driver updates so that these "MSFT knows best"
incidents don't happen.


Widows??? what's the matter with "Windows"??? :-))

Regards, Rene

Nomen Nescio wrote:

In article
G. Morgan wrote:

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

In message , G.
Morgan writes:
Steve Hayes wrote:
[]
I haven't updated yet because:

1) I'm not sure that all my existing software will run on it, and want
to hear from others whether they've had any problems in that respect.

Yes it will, if it does on Win 7.
[]
Categorically?

I had a problem with a wireless driver on one laptop, the "newer &
better" one M$FT provided didn't work. I had to reinstall the factory
one (HP), then Windows "updated" it and removed the "old" driver again!

Its fine now, as this was right at release time when it happened. I
have not seen any other "hardware issues" (this was a driver issue) on
dozens of machines I upgraded.

You can turn off driver updates so that these "MSFT knows best"
incidents don't happen.

I am aware of that, but its good information for the sake of the thread.


XNA (0)

In message , G.
Morgan writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

In message , G.
Morgan writes:
Steve Hayes wrote:
[]
I haven't updated yet because:

1) I'm not sure that all my existing software will run on it, and want
to hear from others whether they've had any problems in that respect.

Yes it will, if it does on Win 7.
[]
Categorically?

I had a problem with a wireless driver on one laptop, the "newer &
[]
Its fine now, as this was right at release time when it happened. I
have not seen any other "hardware issues" (this was a driver issue) on
dozens of machines I upgraded.


I was talking about software in the sense of applications, rather than
drivers. I took your statement "Yes it will, if it does on Win 7" in
response to Steve's question above to refer to software, and I was just
wondering how you could be so sure.










12
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

If you want to make people angry, lie to them. If you want to make them
absolutely livid, then tell 'em the truth.

"masonc" wrote in message
.. .

Please enumerate reasons for not getting Windows 10.
Is not resistance futile? Why are we resisting?
(I'm newly settled in windows7.)

I tried it. I didn't like it.


Why? The stoopid icon start folder!!

Under the hood, the same thing.....but faster

I like the Win 7 start menu. I have Classic shell on a Win 8.1
machine...I couldn't stand the Win 8 look or feel.

Win 10 is an improvement. Someday I'll be forced to use it. That
or........A MAC!!!

Well my experiance with W10 is the missing part of MediaCenter and its
slower than w7.
Still thinkin if i get back to w7 :/
greetings

"JDC" schreef in bericht ...



"masonc" wrote in message
.. .

Please enumerate reasons for not getting Windows 10.
Is not resistance futile? Why are we resisting?
(I'm newly settled in windows7.)

I tried it. I didn't like it.


Why? The stoopid icon start folder!!

Under the hood, the same thing.....but faster

I like the Win 7 start menu. I have Classic shell on a Win 8.1
machine...I couldn't stand the Win 8 look or feel.

Win 10 is an improvement. Someday I'll be forced to use it. That
or........A MAC!!!


---
Dit e-mailbericht is gecontroleerd op virussen met Avast antivirussoftware.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus