Is Windows 10 such a bad thing?

On 16/01/2016 21:06, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 19:52:09 -0000, Ken Blake wrote:

On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 18:47:38 -0000, "Mr Macaw" wrote:

On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 18:39:23 -0000, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 17:06:52 -0000, "Mr Macaw" wrote:


I want the latest version of drivers, why wouldn't I?


Because if the older version you are running is working well, why take
the risk that the newer version may cause you problems.

As has often been said about many things, if it ain't broke, don't fix
it.

Drivers have never caused problems for me, neither have updates. I
just let it use the latest of everything.


Nor have they for me. But that's something like saying, I've never had
an accident driving my car, so why should I use a seatbelt?

You never know what the future may bring.

I don't use a seatbelt unless it's deep snow and I'm driving fast. Why
worry about what probably won't happen?

Because "**** happens".

On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 21:47:18 -0000, edevils wrote:

On 16/01/2016 21:06, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 19:52:09 -0000, Ken Blake wrote:

On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 18:47:38 -0000, "Mr Macaw" wrote:

On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 18:39:23 -0000, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 17:06:52 -0000, "Mr Macaw" wrote:


I want the latest version of drivers, why wouldn't I?


Because if the older version you are running is working well, why take
the risk that the newer version may cause you problems.

As has often been said about many things, if it ain't broke, don't fix
it.

Drivers have never caused problems for me, neither have updates. I
just let it use the latest of everything.


Nor have they for me. But that's something like saying, I've never had
an accident driving my car, so why should I use a seatbelt?

You never know what the future may bring.

I don't use a seatbelt unless it's deep snow and I'm driving fast. Why
worry about what probably won't happen?

Because "**** happens".

It's people like you that have ground the world to a halt with health and softy. Just get on with it.

--
We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart -- H. L. Mencken

On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 20:06:07 -0000, "Mr Macaw" wrote:

On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 19:52:09 -0000, Ken Blake wrote:

Drivers have never caused problems for me, neither have updates. I just let it use the latest of everything.


Nor have they for me. But that's something like saying, I've never had
an accident driving my car, so why should I use a seatbelt?

You never know what the future may bring.

I don't use a seatbelt unless it's deep snow and I'm driving fast. Why worry about what probably won't happen?



In that case, my advice to you is if it ain't broke, fix it
immediately.

On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 00:06:11 -0000, Ken Blake wrote:

On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 20:06:07 -0000, "Mr Macaw" wrote:

On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 19:52:09 -0000, Ken Blake wrote:

Drivers have never caused problems for me, neither have updates. I just let it use the latest of everything.


Nor have they for me. But that's something like saying, I've never had
an accident driving my car, so why should I use a seatbelt?

You never know what the future may bring.

I don't use a seatbelt unless it's deep snow and I'm driving fast. Why worry about what probably won't happen?

In that case, my advice to you is if it ain't broke, fix it
immediately.

Why? There is no problem, so no action needs to be taken. The chances of having an accident severe enough to require a seatbelt while driving around town at under 50 I mean 30mph are virtually negligible.

--
"I wonder who discovered we could get milk from cows and what the **** did he think he was doing?!" -- Billy Connolly

Op 16-jan.-16 om 02:41 schreef Jake:
After fooling with it for a few weeks, it's really good.

Extremely customizable as all Windows operating systems are. Imagine
trying to get anything done on a Mac?

I felt it was buggy in the beginning, but it's running very stable now.
Was it me?

I initially didn't like the start menu, and replaced it with Classic
shell. After going back and forth between the two, besides me getting to
like it, it seems to open programs faster! But by a very small time bit.

FYI: Running a core i7 and 8 Gigs, Dell Inspiron 3847.

FYI: I spoke to my bro (who owns a computer business), about upping the
RAM. He said, "your not using anywhere near to what you've got".

I'm extremely happy with my setup.


With a Mac you don't need fooling around for a few weeks, it doesn't
feel buggy in the beginning, it is running very stable: it is really
good from the first start.

On Fri, 15 Jan 2016 20:41:19 -0500, "Jake"
wrote:

After fooling with it for a few weeks, it's really good.

Extremely customizable as all Windows operating systems are. Imagine trying
to get anything done on a Mac?

I felt it was buggy in the beginning, but it's running very stable now. Was
it me?

I initially didn't like the start menu, and replaced it with Classic shell.
After going back and forth between the two, besides me getting to like it,
it seems to open programs faster! But by a very small time bit.

FYI: Running a core i7 and 8 Gigs, Dell Inspiron 3847.

FYI: I spoke to my bro (who owns a computer business), about upping the
RAM. He said, "your not using anywhere near to what you've got".

I'm extremely happy with my setup.


Simply said, I like it. If Microsoft did like what has been posted on
this thread, look where we would be at now. If we as a species
followed that same conservative mindset we would still be swinging
from the trees. It's a hell of a lot better than Windows 1.0. I bet
you he doesn't believe in evolution neither ;-).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micros...Early_versions

On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 00:02:42 +0800, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

On 1/16/2016 9:41 AM, Jake wrote:
After fooling with it for a few weeks, it's really good.

Is Windows XP such a bad thing?

Is Windows 7 such a bad thing?

Meow...

That's *Chairman* Meow to you! :-)

And, just to complete the list of 'Bad Things', we need to include:

Vista (ironically named)

win8

win8.1

and the subject of this thread, windows 10 (or winX sticking to the
brevity of Apple styled OS naming conventions).

--
Johnny B Good

On 17/01/2016 8:19 pm, Johnny B Good wrote:
On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 00:02:42 +0800, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

On 1/16/2016 9:41 AM, Jake wrote:
After fooling with it for a few weeks, it's really good.

Is Windows XP such a bad thing?

Is Windows 7 such a bad thing?

Meow...

That's *Chairman* Meow to you! :-)

And, just to complete the list of 'Bad Things', we need to include:

Vista (ironically named)

win8

win8.1

and the subject of this thread, windows 10 (or winX sticking to the
brevity of Apple styled OS naming conventions).


I like Windows 10. I have no problems with it, my PC runs more smoothly
than ever before. I don't really understand the issue. Sure, I used to
like Windows 95 and Windows XP and Windows 7, but things move on and I'm
comfortable moving on with them. Sometimes, I can perceive there's
change for change's sake, but that may be just my perception. Either
way, I embrace the change and move on with it.

--
Wilf

On 1/17/2016 2:46 PM, Wilf wrote:
On 17/01/2016 8:19 pm, Johnny B Good wrote:
On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 00:02:42 +0800, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

On 1/16/2016 9:41 AM, Jake wrote:
After fooling with it for a few weeks, it's really good.

Is Windows XP such a bad thing?

Is Windows 7 such a bad thing?

Meow...

That's *Chairman* Meow to you! :-)

And, just to complete the list of 'Bad Things', we need to include:

Vista (ironically named)

win8

win8.1

and the subject of this thread, windows 10 (or winX sticking to the
brevity of Apple styled OS naming conventions).


I like Windows 10. I have no problems with it, my PC runs more smoothly
than ever before. I don't really understand the issue. Sure, I used to
like Windows 95 and Windows XP and Windows 7, but things move on and I'm
comfortable moving on with them. Sometimes, I can perceive there's
change for change's sake, but that may be just my perception. Either
way, I embrace the change and move on with it.


I run a win10 in vmware and use it for a little while each day.

What I like most, about it, is when I am reading an article in news and
there is a dong and little display window slides out and asks if I want
to try Office 365... Its really great.

--
A Paradoxial World, for Sure.

On Mon, 18 Jan 2016 08:24:40 -0600, The Sorceress of Qar wrote:

On 1/17/2016 2:46 PM, Wilf wrote:
On 17/01/2016 8:19 pm, Johnny B Good wrote:
On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 00:02:42 +0800, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

On 1/16/2016 9:41 AM, Jake wrote:
After fooling with it for a few weeks, it's really good.

Is Windows XP such a bad thing?

Is Windows 7 such a bad thing?

Meow...

That's *Chairman* Meow to you! :-)

And, just to complete the list of 'Bad Things', we need to include:

Vista (ironically named)

win8

win8.1

and the subject of this thread, windows 10 (or winX sticking to the
brevity of Apple styled OS naming conventions).


I like Windows 10. I have no problems with it, my PC runs more
smoothly than ever before. I don't really understand the issue. Sure,
I used to like Windows 95 and Windows XP and Windows 7, but things move
on and I'm comfortable moving on with them. Sometimes, I can perceive
there's change for change's sake, but that may be just my perception.
Either way, I embrace the change and move on with it.


I run a win10 in vmware and use it for a little while each day.

What I like most, about it, is when I am reading an article in news and
there is a dong and little display window slides out and asks if I want
to try Office 365... Its really great.

What I like about this NG is that it lets me share all of its
contributors' winX experiences in the only way I can feel comfortable
with, vicariously[1]. :-)

[1] That's the very first time I've used that word in any missive so I
thought I'd best check that my understanding of its meaning via context
from seeing it used in others' literary efforts was correct. I'm glad to
say my understanding is exactly in accord with its definition by the
Cambridge English Dictionary. :-)

--
Johnny B Good

"The Sorceress of Qar" wrote in message
...

On 1/17/2016 2:46 PM, Wilf wrote:
On 17/01/2016 8:19 pm, Johnny B Good wrote:
On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 00:02:42 +0800, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

On 1/16/2016 9:41 AM, Jake wrote:
After fooling with it for a few weeks, it's really good.

Is Windows XP such a bad thing?

Is Windows 7 such a bad thing?

Meow...

That's *Chairman* Meow to you! :-)

And, just to complete the list of 'Bad Things', we need to include:

Vista (ironically named)

win8

win8.1

and the subject of this thread, windows 10 (or winX sticking to the
brevity of Apple styled OS naming conventions).


I like Windows 10. I have no problems with it, my PC runs more smoothly
than ever before. I don't really understand the issue. Sure, I used to
like Windows 95 and Windows XP and Windows 7, but things move on and I'm
comfortable moving on with them. Sometimes, I can perceive there's
change for change's sake, but that may be just my perception. Either
way, I embrace the change and move on with it.


I run a win10 in vmware and use it for a little while each day.

What I like most, about it, is when I am reading an article in news and
there is a dong and little display window slides out and asks if I want to
try Office 365... Its really great.

It is MS Bull**** at it's finest.

Control panel - Programs and Features - uninstall.
End of problem.

On 01/15/16 17:41, Jake so wittily quipped:
After fooling with it for a few weeks, it's really good.

Extremely customizable as all Windows operating systems are. Imagine
trying to get anything done on a Mac?

I felt it was buggy in the beginning, but it's running very stable now.
Was it me?

I initially didn't like the start menu, and replaced it with Classic
shell. After going back and forth between the two, besides me getting to
like it, it seems to open programs faster! But by a very small time bit.

FYI: Running a core i7 and 8 Gigs, Dell Inspiron 3847.

FYI: I spoke to my bro (who owns a computer business), about upping the
RAM. He said, "your not using anywhere near to what you've got".

I'm extremely happy with my setup.



there's no doubt that at least a FEW people will be happy with it.

Here's the thing: MOST people won't like it.

1. Adware/spyware - that's something MANY of us won't tolerate

2. "2D flat/ugly" vs "3D skeumorphic" - don't forget that 3D
skeumorphic (windows 3.0 through 7) *SOLD* windows onto the mass market,
creating a kind of revolution on the PC. The eye candy sold the OS. MS
should remember that.

3. "change for the sake of change" - moving settings around, adding
different/more layers between the user and what you want to adjust
[Vista was hated for this], and in W10's case, TAKING AWAY USER
CUSTOMIZATIONS.

4. forced updates - a VERY bad thing for the business/IT world.

5. The "Phone OS"-ness of 8.x and 10 aren't welcome to a majority of
PC/desktop users, who CONTINUE to hang onto windows 7 in the 43 percent
range on statcounter. Incidentally, add up 8 and 10, and you get
roughly 26%, vs 43% for 7. It's not quite twice as many people that are
hanging onto an OS you can't even purchase without jumping through
hoops, rather than get a NEW computer or 'up'grade their OS.

http://gs.statcounter.com/#os-ww-weekly-201531-201602


So with nearly 2:1 margin of "7 holdouts" vs "8.x and 10 adopters", it
seems clear to me that Microsoft's direction for windows just isn't
working. EVEN THOUGH IT IS FREE, people are REFUSING to "up"grade.

THAT has to mean SOMETHING.


NOW what effect does that have on "not microsoft"?

Well, computer makers have LOST sales because of W10

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/01...ror_pc_market/

and Software Developers (like me) see a LOT of uncertainty out there.
The fact is, when Microsoft releases a ****** version like 8.0, doesn't
fix it properly in 8.1, and then ANOTHER ****** version like 10, how can
you plan your development process around *THAT* ???

What, RISK EVERYTHING because, Microsoft?

I don't THINK so!

So Microsoft's BAD performance in the market with Win-tannic (aka W10)
should be a WAKE-UP CALL to ANYONE who would normally tie their own
success to that of Microsoft [hitch your wagon to a star]. It's time to
find ANOTHER direction to go in.

That means NO "the METRO" development. [it would be a waste of time!]

That means TARGETING WINDOWS 7 [which will STILL run on 8.x and 10] to
nearly TRIPLE your potential market.

That *ALSO* means NATIVE APPLICATIONS (not "the METRO" universal
'apps(sic)') which BREAKS Microsoft's "the STORE" paradigm.

anyway, too long and nobody reads, so I'll stop now.

On 01/17/16 01:58, Johan so wittily quipped:
Op 16-jan.-16 om 02:41 schreef Jake:
After fooling with it for a few weeks, it's really good.

Extremely customizable as all Windows operating systems are. Imagine
trying to get anything done on a Mac?

I felt it was buggy in the beginning, but it's running very stable now.
Was it me?

I initially didn't like the start menu, and replaced it with Classic
shell. After going back and forth between the two, besides me getting to
like it, it seems to open programs faster! But by a very small time bit.

FYI: Running a core i7 and 8 Gigs, Dell Inspiron 3847.

FYI: I spoke to my bro (who owns a computer business), about upping the
RAM. He said, "your not using anywhere near to what you've got".

I'm extremely happy with my setup.


With a Mac you don't need fooling around for a few weeks, it doesn't
feel buggy in the beginning, it is running very stable: it is really
good from the first start.

I had a less than stellar experience setting up 7 on an old laptop, that
came pre-installed with XP [I put FreeBSD on it, then later, XP Pro when
I got a newer machine to be a BSD laptop]. A couple of years ago I
updated it to 7 Pro, but it took 2-3 days of "updates" plus researching
driver compatibility issues, so again, "less than stellar".

Even older hardware gave me some grief with linux as well, on a
different laptop. So it's not unique to windows.

Then again, putting a particular version of linux on a couple of
notebooks that were DESIGNED for linux went extremely well [they were
intended to be used in a manufacturing environment to flash firmware
onto new devices].

But in all cases, there's always at least SOME customization. The best
"no need for customization" experience seemed to be XP. for me, anyway...

10, on the other hand, needs "classic shell" at the very least, you have
to go around and SHUT ALL OF THAT ****** off [i.e. the 'live tile'
CRapps running in the background, STEALING YOUR BANDWIDTH], and "SHUT
THAT **** OFF" is a TIME-CONSUMING and TEDIOUS PROCESS.

On 01/16/16 02:35, Jesper Kaas so wittily quipped:
On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 02:13:34 -0500, Paul wrote:

The reboot is "scheduled". You can change the
scheduled time if you want, but it will occur
some time in the next 24 hours.
So Microsoft kindly suggests you should sleep at night, and let the PC
rest aswell. Nice, but there should be a way to override the reboot.
You will need a Windows Server edition then. Microsoft is out of
business if servers start rebooting at random.


apparently you never do anything that's computationally 'expensive' -
let's say RENDER AN ENTIRE MOVIE or calculate 1 billion digits of 'pi'.
It doesn't matter. If your process takes several days to accomplish,
and your computer is "re-booted" in the middle, it interrupts the
process, and DESTROYS THE WORK IN PROGRESS and wastes wall time, etc.
because you have to START OVER AGAIN.

It's not Microsoft's business how we use OUR computers. THEY should not
dictate to US that "it must reboot", nor decide "you are not using it
now because the UI hasn't moved in 30 minutes" then BOOT YOU [what if
you're watching a movie?].

these kinds of STUPID bureaucratic decisions made *FOR* us, like we're
"maroons" (heh) and can't figure things out for ourselves, are
*INSULTING* at best, *IRRITATINGLY INSULTING* at worst, and *ARROGANT*
and *CONDESCENDING* and filled with *HUBRIS* on Microsoft's part.

so yeah. maybe YOU can tolerate a reboot now and then. some of us CAN NOT.

On 01/16/16 03:30, DMP so wittily quipped:
So, to prevent further nagging about updating all the other machines, I
have hidden/removed a bunch of the KB's that have to do with Win10
update and telemetry and disable Windows update altogether, checking
once a week for the ones I think I'll need. I am never bothered about
getting Win10 on any of the machines in the house. I will keep Win7 &
Win 8.1 for the foreseeable future, thank you very much.



works for me, too [except for the 8.1 part]