Win10Pro upgraded from Win7Pro Retail: install to new hardware?

Percival P. Cassidy wrote:
On 01/22/2016 06:21 PM, . . .winston wrote:

I upgraded a Win7Pro installation to Win10Pro. If I want to pension
off
that hardware and install Win10Pro to the new machine, would
there be
any problem?

E.g., if I use the original Win7Pro media to install to the new
hardware
with the intention of upgrading it to Win10Pro, will I be unable to
activate Win7Pro on the grounds that it is "in use" on different
hardware by virtue of its activation key being the basis for the
Win10Pro activation on the previous machine?

Or can I install a recent version of Win10Pro on the new hardware
and
use the Win7Pro key to activate it?

Or...?

If you upgraded Win7 Pro to Win10 Pro on the same device, if you
install
7 Pro on another unit and attempt to clean install Win10 activation
will
certainly fail -the digital entitled license is good for the other
device.

If you did the same as above and attempted to upgrade a again with
the
same Win7 license to Win10, the activation may fail.
If it does fail, the online or phone activation is the only route.

Are you really asking if after you use your Win7 Pro license's
genuine
Windows to upgrade to Win10 can you continue to use both Win7 Pro
and
Win10 Pro on two different devices (regardless of which device runs
7 or
8).
- Technically, No.

No, I mean: If I take out of service the machine that was upgraded
from
retail Win7Pro to Win10Pro, can I "reuse" the original Win7Pro
license?

To be more specific, what I would like to do is simply replace the
motherboard and reactivate Win10Pro. Possible?

Or use Macrium Reflect's "Deploy to new hardware" feature.


You keep restating the same question, but that doesn't change the
answer.
MS has been very clear that the TOS demands that the OS is locked to
the
hardware. They gave you a free UPGRADE. You accepted the TOS for the
free UPGRADE.

If you ignore the TOS, there may be options to pirate the software.
But
that's an entirely different issue.

I don't know how macrium does it, but syspep invalidates your license
and requires you to reactivate. I can't imagine macrium would keep
the license activated on different hardware. MS lawyers would be all
over them.

In the meantime I found the following answer on answers.microsoft.com:

"If you upgrade from a retail version, it carries the rights of a retail
version.
Full version (Retail):
- Includes transfer rights to another computer.
- Doesn't require a previous qualifying version of Windows.
- Expensive
Upgrade version (Retail):
- Includes transfer rights to another computer. =====
- require a previous qualifying version of Windows.
- Expensive, but cheaper than full version"


Most likely not from an official MSFT source.

Without a link, the information you've provided is suspicious. Nor is it
anything close to language used in the Win7 or Win10 EULA. And more
importantly don't assume, if you review a Win10 EULA that for a retail
or OEM version that it applies to the free upgrade offer.

Subject is "Move windows 10 to another desktop":

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/w...3-640629264449


Perce


If you generate a "digital entitlement" before Aug.1, 2016,
I think all things are possible, in terms of an implementation
on the activation server.

It's pretty hard to guess how things will actually
work after that date.

Paul

On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 16:51:41 -0500, "Percival P. Cassidy"
wrote:

On 01/22/2016 03:50 PM, mike wrote:
On 1/22/2016 10:00 AM, Percival P. Cassidy wrote:
On 01/22/2016 11:37 AM, I wrote:

I upgraded a Win7Pro installation to Win10Pro. If I want to pension
off
that hardware and install Win10Pro to the new machine, would there be
any problem?

E.g., if I use the original Win7Pro media to install to the new
hardware
with the intention of upgrading it to Win10Pro, will I be unable to
activate Win7Pro on the grounds that it is "in use" on different
hardware by virtue of its activation key being the basis for the
Win10Pro activation on the previous machine?

Or can I install a recent version of Win10Pro on the new hardware and
use the Win7Pro key to activate it?

Or...?

If you upgraded Win7 Pro to Win10 Pro on the same device, if you
install
7 Pro on another unit and attempt to clean install Win10 activation
will
certainly fail -the digital entitled license is good for the other
device.

If you did the same as above and attempted to upgrade a again with the
same Win7 license to Win10, the activation may fail.
If it does fail, the online or phone activation is the only route.

Are you really asking if after you use your Win7 Pro license's genuine
Windows to upgrade to Win10 can you continue to use both Win7 Pro and
Win10 Pro on two different devices (regardless of which device runs
7 or
8).
- Technically, No.

No, I mean: If I take out of service the machine that was upgraded from
retail Win7Pro to Win10Pro, can I "reuse" the original Win7Pro license?

To be more specific, what I would like to do is simply replace the
motherboard and reactivate Win10Pro. Possible?

Or use Macrium Reflect's "Deploy to new hardware" feature.


You keep restating the same question, but that doesn't change the answer.
MS has been very clear that the TOS demands that the OS is locked to the
hardware. They gave you a free UPGRADE. You accepted the TOS for the
free UPGRADE.

If you ignore the TOS, there may be options to pirate the software. But
that's an entirely different issue.

I don't know how macrium does it, but syspep invalidates your license
and requires you to reactivate. I can't imagine macrium would keep
the license activated on different hardware. MS lawyers would be all
over them.

In the meantime I found the following answer on answers.microsoft.com:

"If you upgrade from a retail version, it carries the rights of a retail
version.
Full version (Retail):
- Includes transfer rights to another computer.
- Doesn't require a previous qualifying version of Windows.
- Expensive
Upgrade version (Retail):
- Includes transfer rights to another computer. =====
- require a previous qualifying version of Windows.
- Expensive, but cheaper than full version"

Perce

Seems to me it would be like this...

The question is really "has the year expired" during which Win10 is
free. During that year you can reinstall your Win7 and upgrade it,
for FREE, to Win10 on whatever computer you want. Change to a
different computer every week if you want. Whatever computer is the
last one you do this on, within the "free upgrade year", will have
Win10 "free" forever.

If AFTER the "free upgrade period" you want to move to a different
computer you can do so. You can install your WIN7 on a different
computer BUT you can no longer do the Win10 upgrade for free, now
you'll have to go buy a copy of Win10. Plus, if you reuse the same
copy of Win7 that is tied to the FREE WIN10 installation you are still
running on the other computer I think MS will say you can't do that.
If you don't want to pay for Win10 then you can't upgrade and can only
run the WIN7 and only after somehow convincing MS the first use of
WIN7 upgraded to WIN10 has been uninstalled. I think this last part
is the sticky wicket part and why it seems like the original WIN7
licence is being extinguished when you upgrade a WIN7 to Win10.

The above is how I think it ought to work but is it how MS says it
works, esp the last part? IDK. If "Includes transfer rights to
another computer" means anything it seems like this is how it would
work. Transfer it all you want, just be prepared to pay if you
upgrade the Win7 transfer after the free year.

On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 17:31:56 -0800, mike wrote:

On 1/22/2016 2:01 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 12:50:08 -0800, mike wrote:

I don't know how macrium does it, but syspep invalidates your license
and requires you to reactivate. I can't imagine macrium would keep
the license activated on different hardware. MS lawyers would be all
over them.

If backup/imaging software is in the business of enforcing MS licensing
policies, this would be the first that I've heard of it.

Moving software between systems in violation of TOS is not "backup."

Of course. No one said it was, but those are typically the kind of tools
used for system migration.

Microsoft is in the business of enforcing their licensing policies.

Right, and that leaves companies like Macrium out of it.

A central point with some assets is a fine target for enforcement
of those policies.

No, and you're completely missing the point. Tools such as Macrium's
'Redeploy' allow you to move a system to new hardware, but they do nothing
for the question of activation. I hope you don't think your Windows
installation would still be valid/activated after the move, right?

I believe that it would be a bad business decision for any business with
an address and assets to assist in circumventing said policies.

See above. There is no circumvention.

And it costs their customers nothing. If you are operating within the
terms of your license, MS will be happy to reactivate your system.

There are many reasons why a person might want to move a Windows system to
new hardware. Fortunately, companies like Macrium aren't so shortsighted as
to not provide that capability out of misplaced fear of MS retribution.

On 23/01/2016 17:08, Ashton Crusher wrote:

Seems to me it would be like this...

The question is really "has the year expired" during which Win10 is
free. During that year you can reinstall your Win7 and upgrade it,
for FREE, to Win10 on whatever computer you want. Change to a
different computer every week if you want. Whatever computer is the
last one you do this on, within the "free upgrade year", will have
Win10 "free" forever.

If AFTER the "free upgrade period" you want to move to a different
computer you can do so. You can install your WIN7 on a different
computer BUT you can no longer do the Win10 upgrade for free, now
you'll have to go buy a copy of Win10. Plus, if you reuse the same
copy of Win7 that is tied to the FREE WIN10 installation you are still
running on the other computer I think MS will say you can't do that.
If you don't want to pay for Win10 then you can't upgrade and can only
run the WIN7 and only after somehow convincing MS the first use of
WIN7 upgraded to WIN10 has been uninstalled. I think this last part
is the sticky wicket part and why it seems like the original WIN7
licence is being extinguished when you upgrade a WIN7 to Win10.

The above is how I think it ought to work but is it how MS says it
works, esp the last part? IDK. If "Includes transfer rights to
another computer" means anything it seems like this is how it would
work. Transfer it all you want, just be prepared to pay if you
upgrade the Win7 transfer after the free year.

If so, they did not actually "upgrade" your *full* windows 7 license to
a *full* 10 license. Instead, they gave you an OEM (tied to a machine)
one in exchange. They are not being clear about that.