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I like safety in my backups. So I regularly do both a System image with
Win10's Win7-style app, and then a Macrium Reflect one. I did two today; Win10 took almost 2 hours, Macrium took 19mins. 1TB spinning HD, C partition occupies it all, apart from a few small ones for reset etc. Which means that Macrium had even more to write. Why is this? Why does Windows take so long? It's not doing anything more than Macrium, and, in addition, it comes from MS themselves, the creators of this system, the supposed connoisseurs. Ed |
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Ed Cryer wrote:
I like safety in my backups. So I regularly do both a System image with Win10's Win7-style app, and then a Macrium Reflect one. I did two today; Win10 took almost 2 hours, Macrium took 19mins. 1TB spinning HD, C partition occupies it all, apart from a few small ones for reset etc. Which means that Macrium had even more to write. Why is this? Why does Windows take so long? It's not doing anything more than Macrium, and, in addition, it comes from MS themselves, the creators of this system, the supposed connoisseurs. Ed I do not know if this applies with the Windows backup, but some programs do a write verification and others do not. Verifying the info takes much longer. |
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Ed Cryer wrote:
I like safety in my backups. So I regularly do both a System image with Win10's Win7-style app, and then a Macrium Reflect one. I did two today; Win10 took almost 2 hours, Macrium took 19mins. 1TB spinning HD, C partition occupies it all, apart from a few small ones for reset etc. Which means that Macrium had even more to write. Why is this? Why does Windows take so long? It's not doing anything more than Macrium, and, in addition, it comes from MS themselves, the creators of this system, the supposed connoisseurs. Ed Windows Defender can interfere with your work. If I turn off WD Real-Time Scan, my hashdeep runs go three times faster. Since your ratios are so much larger, I would have to conclude those runs are backing up a different set of partitions. Presumably the Windows 10 built-in was writing to an external target which was not part of the backup source itself. Both the Win10 built-in and Macrium, use a variation on VHD for storage. Only occupied clusters should be recorded. While Macrium has compression, you can still compare the output size and see if something is amiss in a major way. I don't think Win10 built-in has the ability to do sector by sector - you might be able to mis-configure Macrium, but the Win10 one should remain about as good as these methods can get (for a *full* backup, not an incremental or differential). If Macrium is doing incrementals, of course it's faster. The paid version of Macrium is capable of more trickery than the free version :-) Paul |
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Paul wrote:
Ed Cryer wrote: I like safety in my backups. So I regularly do both a System image with Win10's Win7-style app, and then a Macrium Reflect one. I did two today; Win10 took almost 2 hours, Macrium took 19mins. 1TB spinning HD, C partition occupies it all, apart from a few small ones for reset etc. Which means that Macrium had even more to write. Why is this? Why does Windows take so long? It's not doing anything more than Macrium, and, in addition, it comes from MS themselves, the creators of this system, the supposed connoisseurs. Ed Windows Defender can interfere with your work. If I turn off WD Real-Time Scan, my hashdeep runs go three times faster. Since your ratios are so much larger, I would have to conclude those runs are backing up a different set of partitions. Presumably the Windows 10 built-in was writing to an external target which was not part of the backup source itself. Both the Win10 built-in and Macrium, use a variation on VHD for storage. Only occupied clusters should be recorded. While Macrium has compression, you can still compare the output size and see if something is amiss in a major way. I don't think Win10 built-in has the ability to do sector by sector - you might be able to mis-configure Macrium, but the Win10 one should remain about as good as these methods can get (for a *full* backup, not an incremental or differential). If Macrium is doing incrementals, of course it's faster. The paid version of Macrium is capable of more trickery than the free version :-) Â*Â* Paul Well, mine's not quite as bad as this: "I started running Windows 7 Backup, including a system image 2 days ago. It's only up to 17% completed now. I am running Windows 7 Professional, 64bit. The internal HD is 2 TB, 8 GB RAM & AMD Phenom II X3 Processor, 2.5 GHz. .................................... .................................... " and then this little addition "I have the same question (14)" https://goo.gl/nNh8vV And then there's this one; https://goo.gl/eQv41v Our Good Guy would have a ball insulting him. I try to feel sorry for him but even I find that difficult. Ed |
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Ed Cryer wrote:
Paul wrote: Ed Cryer wrote: I like safety in my backups. So I regularly do both a System image with Win10's Win7-style app, and then a Macrium Reflect one. I did two today; Win10 took almost 2 hours, Macrium took 19mins. 1TB spinning HD, C partition occupies it all, apart from a few small ones for reset etc. Which means that Macrium had even more to write. Why is this? Why does Windows take so long? It's not doing anything more than Macrium, and, in addition, it comes from MS themselves, the creators of this system, the supposed connoisseurs. Ed Windows Defender can interfere with your work. If I turn off WD Real-Time Scan, my hashdeep runs go three times faster. Since your ratios are so much larger, I would have to conclude those runs are backing up a different set of partitions. Presumably the Windows 10 built-in was writing to an external target which was not part of the backup source itself. Both the Win10 built-in and Macrium, use a variation on VHD for storage. Only occupied clusters should be recorded. While Macrium has compression, you can still compare the output size and see if something is amiss in a major way. I don't think Win10 built-in has the ability to do sector by sector - you might be able to mis-configure Macrium, but the Win10 one should remain about as good as these methods can get (for a *full* backup, not an incremental or differential). If Macrium is doing incrementals, of course it's faster. The paid version of Macrium is capable of more trickery than the free version :-) Paul Well, mine's not quite as bad as this: "I started running Windows 7 Backup, including a system image 2 days ago. It's only up to 17% completed now. I am running Windows 7 Professional, 64bit. The internal HD is 2 TB, 8 GB RAM & AMD Phenom II X3 Processor, 2.5 GHz. ................................... ................................... " and then this little addition "I have the same question (14)" https://goo.gl/nNh8vV And then there's this one; https://goo.gl/eQv41v Our Good Guy would have a ball insulting him. I try to feel sorry for him but even I find that difficult. Ed 1) Check health on drives with HDTune. 2) Remove drives from enclosures that prevent health checks. Plug drive into main system, check SMART health of drive. Firewire, for example, might not have SMART passthru in the command set. 3) Use the Task Manager to check for "competing" programs. Things that seem to be active, when the backup is active. (MsMpEng). Slow Copy-On-Write (COW) can be an issue with shadows. Since many backups are done in "cluster order", we can't necessarily blame fragmentation for this. Something like Robocopy, now that could be slower if the source disk was fragmented. You can also run the HDTune benchmark, as a means of identifying problems with storage devices (without even using SMART). For example, if a drive slips into PIO mode, because you pinched or kinked the SATA cable and the error rate in the cable causes the write rate to gear down, then transfers could be quite slow. A benchmark curve of sustained performance might highlight this (4-5MB/sec flat line bench). There is a sticky recorder of cable errors in SMART, so SMART will not forget a transgression with bad cables. And backing up to DVDs - masochism or what ? Trying that once in a test (at 5MB/sec) was enough for me thanks. That, and having to format the discs when Windows asked me to. I was ready to pitch the computer out the Windows, and I only had four DVDs to do :-) Maybe using 100GB BD discs would make this less painful. Paul |
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Paul wrote:
Ed Cryer wrote: Paul wrote: Ed Cryer wrote: I like safety in my backups. So I regularly do both a System image with Win10's Win7-style app, and then a Macrium Reflect one. I did two today; Win10 took almost 2 hours, Macrium took 19mins. 1TB spinning HD, C partition occupies it all, apart from a few small ones for reset etc. Which means that Macrium had even more to write. Why is this? Why does Windows take so long? It's not doing anything more than Macrium, and, in addition, it comes from MS themselves, the creators of this system, the supposed connoisseurs. Ed Windows Defender can interfere with your work. If I turn off WD Real-Time Scan, my hashdeep runs go three times faster. Since your ratios are so much larger, I would have to conclude those runs are backing up a different set of partitions. Presumably the Windows 10 built-in was writing to an external target which was not part of the backup source itself. Both the Win10 built-in and Macrium, use a variation on VHD for storage. Only occupied clusters should be recorded. While Macrium has compression, you can still compare the output size and see if something is amiss in a major way. I don't think Win10 built-in has the ability to do sector by sector - you might be able to mis-configure Macrium, but the Win10 one should remain about as good as these methods can get (for a *full* backup, not an incremental or differential). If Macrium is doing incrementals, of course it's faster. The paid version of Macrium is capable of more trickery than the free version :-) Â*Â*Â* Paul Well, mine's not quite as bad as this: "I started running Windows 7 Backup, including a system image 2 days ago.Â* It's only up to 17% completed now. I am running Windows 7 Professional, 64bit.Â* The internal HD is 2 TB, 8 GB RAM & AMD Phenom II X3 Processor, 2.5 GHz. ................................... ................................... " and then this little addition "I have the same question (14)" https://goo.gl/nNh8vV And then there's this one; https://goo.gl/eQv41v Our Good Guy would have a ball insulting him. I try to feel sorry for him but even I find that difficult. Ed 1) Check health on drives with HDTune. 2) Remove drives from enclosures that prevent health checks. Â*Â* Plug drive into main system, check SMART health of drive. Â*Â* Firewire, for example, might not have SMART passthru Â*Â* in the command set. 3) Use the Task Manager to check for "competing" programs. Â*Â* Things that seem to be active, when the backup is active. Â*Â* (MsMpEng). Slow Copy-On-Write (COW) can be an issue with shadows. Since many backups are done in "cluster order", we can't necessarily blame fragmentation for this. Something like Robocopy, now that could be slower if the source disk was fragmented. You can also run the HDTune benchmark, as a means of identifying problems with storage devices (without even using SMART). For example, if a drive slips into PIO mode, because you pinched or kinked the SATA cable and the error rate in the cable causes the write rate to gear down, then transfers could be quite slow. A benchmark curve of sustained performance might highlight this (4-5MB/sec flat line bench). There is a sticky recorder of cable errors in SMART, so SMART will not forget a transgression with bad cables. And backing up to DVDs - masochism or what ? Trying that once in a test (at 5MB/sec) was enough for me thanks. That, and having to format the discs when Windows asked me to. I was ready to pitch the computer out the Windows, and I only had four DVDs to do :-) Maybe using 100GB BD discs would make this less painful. Â*Â* Paul I blame MS here; including within Win7. When you click on "Take System Image" it presents you with the option of writing to a DVD; and it does not much more than just image your C drive. The point here is that the Macrium image will rescue you from any trouble, including a total HD fail. It will restore your whole C drive to the time the image was taken. So, what does the MS image give you over that? Answer, nothing, well, virtually nothing more. So then, yet again Macrium seems to know much more about Windows than MS does. Ed |
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On 05/17/2018 5:40 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
Paul wrote: Ed Cryer wrote: Paul wrote: Ed Cryer wrote: I like safety in my backups. So I regularly do both a System image with Win10's Win7-style app, and then a Macrium Reflect one. I did two today; Win10 took almost 2 hours, Macrium took 19mins. 1TB spinning HD, C partition occupies it all, apart from a few small ones for reset etc. Which means that Macrium had even more to write. Why is this? Why does Windows take so long? It's not doing anything more than Macrium, and, in addition, it comes from MS themselves, the creators of this system, the supposed connoisseurs. Ed Windows Defender can interfere with your work. If I turn off WD Real-Time Scan, my hashdeep runs go three times faster. Since your ratios are so much larger, I would have to conclude those runs are backing up a different set of partitions. Presumably the Windows 10 built-in was writing to an external target which was not part of the backup source itself. Both the Win10 built-in and Macrium, use a variation on VHD for storage. Only occupied clusters should be recorded. While Macrium has compression, you can still compare the output size and see if something is amiss in a major way. I don't think Win10 built-in has the ability to do sector by sector - you might be able to mis-configure Macrium, but the Win10 one should remain about as good as these methods can get (for a *full* backup, not an incremental or differential). If Macrium is doing incrementals, of course it's faster. The paid version of Macrium is capable of more trickery than the free version :-) Â*Â*Â* Paul Well, mine's not quite as bad as this: "I started running Windows 7 Backup, including a system image 2 days ago.Â* It's only up to 17% completed now. I am running Windows 7 Professional, 64bit.Â* The internal HD is 2 TB, 8 GB RAM & AMD Phenom II X3 Processor, 2.5 GHz. ................................... ................................... " and then this little addition "I have the same question (14)" https://goo.gl/nNh8vV And then there's this one; https://goo.gl/eQv41v Our Good Guy would have a ball insulting him. I try to feel sorry for him but even I find that difficult. Ed 1) Check health on drives with HDTune. 2) Remove drives from enclosures that prevent health checks. Â*Â*Â* Plug drive into main system, check SMART health of drive. Â*Â*Â* Firewire, for example, might not have SMART passthru Â*Â*Â* in the command set. 3) Use the Task Manager to check for "competing" programs. Â*Â*Â* Things that seem to be active, when the backup is active. Â*Â*Â* (MsMpEng). Slow Copy-On-Write (COW) can be an issue with shadows. Since many backups are done in "cluster order", we can't necessarily blame fragmentation for this. Something like Robocopy, now that could be slower if the source disk was fragmented. You can also run the HDTune benchmark, as a means of identifying problems with storage devices (without even using SMART). For example, if a drive slips into PIO mode, because you pinched or kinked the SATA cable and the error rate in the cable causes the write rate to gear down, then transfers could be quite slow. A benchmark curve of sustained performance might highlight this (4-5MB/sec flat line bench). There is a sticky recorder of cable errors in SMART, so SMART will not forget a transgression with bad cables. And backing up to DVDs - masochism or what ? Trying that once in a test (at 5MB/sec) was enough for me thanks. That, and having to format the discs when Windows asked me to. I was ready to pitch the computer out the Windows, and I only had four DVDs to do :-) Maybe using 100GB BD discs would make this less painful. Â*Â*Â* Paul I blame MS here; including within Win7. When you click on "Take System Image" it presents you with the option of writing to a DVD; and it does not much more than just image your C drive. The point here is that the Macrium image will rescue you from any trouble, including a total HD fail. It will restore your whole C drive to the time the image was taken. So, what does the MS image give you over that? Answer, nothing, well, virtually nothing more. So then, yet again Macrium seems to know much more about Windows than MS does. Ed Have used many backup programs over the years. Macrium Reflect is still the Champion. Rene |
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On Thu, 17 May 2018 18:29:23 +0100, Ed Cryer
wrote: I like safety in my backups. So I regularly do both a System image with Win10's Win7-style app, and then a Macrium Reflect one. I did two today; Win10 took almost 2 hours, Macrium took 19mins. 1TB spinning HD, C partition occupies it all, apart from a few small ones for reset etc. Which means that Macrium had even more to write. Why is this? Why does Windows take so long? It's not doing anything more than Macrium, and, in addition, it comes from MS themselves, the creators of this system, the supposed connoisseurs. Ed I don't mean to hijack your thread at all. I ran into this post by luck. I just happened to be looking to backup two Windows 10 machines. I bought 64 GB USB thumb drives so I could make a system restore drive in case Windows fails to boot. I'd like to make a full backup that includes a method booting such that the backup can be read and restored. As a bonus I'd like to be able to image the full system SSD and clone it to a larger SSD in the future. And as yet another bonus if I could incrementally update this image as time goes on that would be useful. Does this Macrium home version do this? They have an option for a four pack which I'm sure I can make use of. I have one machine which is running an app which generated a finger-print string which was then used to issue an activation code to run the app. I'd like to have to repeat that whole process in the event the machine doesn't boot up one day or I decide to increase the SSD drive size. Once I get these systems installed just the way I like them I'd like to fully image the machine as a safety net. The time you mentioned to make your image sounds great. I'm using all SSD's. These machines boot from SSD's and I would back them up to Samsung T5 SSD devices which are USB 3.1 based. Hopefully that's not a problem. Does Macrium cover all those bases? -- Peter Kozlov |
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Peter Kozlov wrote:
On Thu, 17 May 2018 18:29:23 +0100, Ed Cryer wrote: I like safety in my backups. So I regularly do both a System image with Win10's Win7-style app, and then a Macrium Reflect one. I did two today; Win10 took almost 2 hours, Macrium took 19mins. 1TB spinning HD, C partition occupies it all, apart from a few small ones for reset etc. Which means that Macrium had even more to write. Why is this? Why does Windows take so long? It's not doing anything more than Macrium, and, in addition, it comes from MS themselves, the creators of this system, the supposed connoisseurs. Ed I don't mean to hijack your thread at all. I ran into this post by luck. I just happened to be looking to backup two Windows 10 machines. I bought 64 GB USB thumb drives so I could make a system restore drive in case Windows fails to boot. I'd like to make a full backup that includes a method booting such that the backup can be read and restored. As a bonus I'd like to be able to image the full system SSD and clone it to a larger SSD in the future. And as yet another bonus if I could incrementally update this image as time goes on that would be useful. Does this Macrium home version do this? They have an option for a four pack which I'm sure I can make use of. I have one machine which is running an app which generated a finger-print string which was then used to issue an activation code to run the app. I'd like to have to repeat that whole process in the event the machine doesn't boot up one day or I decide to increase the SSD drive size. Once I get these systems installed just the way I like them I'd like to fully image the machine as a safety net. The time you mentioned to make your image sounds great. I'm using all SSD's. These machines boot from SSD's and I would back them up to Samsung T5 SSD devices which are USB 3.1 based. Hopefully that's not a problem. Does Macrium cover all those bases? In the table here, Incremental backups (which come after you make a Full backup), are a paid feature. Features such as ReDeploy are part of the Server Edition. https://www.macrium.com/reflectfree As with most mature products of this nature, there's a huge manual. http://updates.macrium.com/reflect/v...df?src=sidebar All I want from the thing, is a simple, Full backup, made once in a while, to provide a small measure of resilience in case of Ransomware. So I don't have to start all over again. ******* The product uses Microsoft WinPE (PreInstall Environment) to make an Emergency Boot CD. That provides a sufficient environment for backup, clone, restore. It's a little bit slower than doing it from the Windows installed version of the program. And it's unavoidable to use that CD, when putting your C: partition back on the hard drive. You boot from the CD, so that C: won't be "busy" during the restoration operation. The product speed is not infinite. And it's not a threading monster either. For example, if you enable compression during backup, it would be natural to expect a compression program that runs on all cores and goes at the speed of light. As far as I know, the compression on Macrium runs on one core. This is why there is a free version for download - using the free version, you can decide for yourself whether it's fast enough or not. There's a table here, of backup products, and how much time they take, comparatively speaking. The results are a little stale, and could use an update. Still, even a list of products is a start. https://www.raymond.cc/blog/10-comme...-comparison/2/ Paul |
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On Thu, 17 May 2018 23:04:18 -0400, Paul
wrote: Peter Kozlov wrote: On Thu, 17 May 2018 18:29:23 +0100, Ed Cryer wrote: I like safety in my backups. So I regularly do both a System image with Win10's Win7-style app, and then a Macrium Reflect one. I did two today; Win10 took almost 2 hours, Macrium took 19mins. 1TB spinning HD, C partition occupies it all, apart from a few small ones for reset etc. Which means that Macrium had even more to write. Why is this? Why does Windows take so long? It's not doing anything more than Macrium, and, in addition, it comes from MS themselves, the creators of this system, the supposed connoisseurs. Ed I don't mean to hijack your thread at all. I ran into this post by luck. I just happened to be looking to backup two Windows 10 machines. I bought 64 GB USB thumb drives so I could make a system restore drive in case Windows fails to boot. I'd like to make a full backup that includes a method booting such that the backup can be read and restored. As a bonus I'd like to be able to image the full system SSD and clone it to a larger SSD in the future. And as yet another bonus if I could incrementally update this image as time goes on that would be useful. Does this Macrium home version do this? They have an option for a four pack which I'm sure I can make use of. I have one machine which is running an app which generated a finger-print string which was then used to issue an activation code to run the app. I'd like to have to repeat that whole process in the event the machine doesn't boot up one day or I decide to increase the SSD drive size. Once I get these systems installed just the way I like them I'd like to fully image the machine as a safety net. The time you mentioned to make your image sounds great. I'm using all SSD's. These machines boot from SSD's and I would back them up to Samsung T5 SSD devices which are USB 3.1 based. Hopefully that's not a problem. Does Macrium cover all those bases? In the table here, Incremental backups (which come after you make a Full backup), are a paid feature. Features such as ReDeploy are part of the Server Edition. https://www.macrium.com/reflectfree As with most mature products of this nature, there's a huge manual. http://updates.macrium.com/reflect/v...df?src=sidebar All I want from the thing, is a simple, Full backup, made once in a while, to provide a small measure of resilience in case of Ransomware. So I don't have to start all over again. ******* The product uses Microsoft WinPE (PreInstall Environment) to make an Emergency Boot CD. That provides a sufficient environment for backup, clone, restore. It's a little bit slower than doing it from the Windows installed version of the program. And it's unavoidable to use that CD, when putting your C: partition back on the hard drive. You boot from the CD, so that C: won't be "busy" during the restoration operation. The product speed is not infinite. And it's not a threading monster either. For example, if you enable compression during backup, it would be natural to expect a compression program that runs on all cores and goes at the speed of light. As far as I know, the compression on Macrium runs on one core. This is why there is a free version for download - using the free version, you can decide for yourself whether it's fast enough or not. There's a table here, of backup products, and how much time they take, comparatively speaking. The results are a little stale, and could use an update. Still, even a list of products is a start. https://www.raymond.cc/blog/10-comme...-comparison/2/ Paul I'm downloading that free version now. -- Peter Kozlov |
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Peter Kozlov wrote:
[...] [About Macrium Reflect:] I'm downloading that free version now. Hi Peter, Nice to see you've subscribed to the group! :-) FYI, the free version does Differential backups, i.e. changes since the last Full backup. For me that's sufficient and no need to purchase another version which can do Incremental backups. YMMV. |
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On Thu, 17 May 2018 19:06:48 -0700, Peter Kozlov wrote:
On Thu, 17 May 2018 18:29:23 +0100, Ed Cryer wrote: I like safety in my backups. So I regularly do both a System image with Win10's Win7-style app, and then a Macrium Reflect one. I did two today; Win10 took almost 2 hours, Macrium took 19mins. 1TB spinning HD, C partition occupies it all, apart from a few small ones for reset etc. Which means that Macrium had even more to write. Why is this? Why does Windows take so long? It's not doing anything more than Macrium, and, in addition, it comes from MS themselves, the creators of this system, the supposed connoisseurs. Ed I don't mean to hijack your thread at all. I ran into this post by luck. I just happened to be looking to backup two Windows 10 machines. I bought 64 GB USB thumb drives so I could make a system restore drive in case Windows fails to boot. I'd like to make a full backup that includes a method booting such that the backup can be read and restored. As a bonus I'd like to be able to image the full system SSD and clone it to a larger SSD in the future. And as yet another bonus if I could incrementally update this image as time goes on that would be useful. Does this Macrium home version do this? They have an option for a four pack which I'm sure I can make use of. I have one machine which is running an app which generated a finger-print string which was then used to issue an activation code to run the app. I'd like to have to repeat that whole process in the event the machine doesn't boot up one day or I decide to increase the SSD drive size. Once I get these systems installed just the way I like them I'd like to fully image the machine as a safety net. The time you mentioned to make your image sounds great. I'm using all SSD's. These machines boot from SSD's and I would back them up to Samsung T5 SSD devices which are USB 3.1 based. Hopefully that's not a problem. Does Macrium cover all those bases? I think backing up to a thumb drive is a lousy idea, but to each his own. I don't know why this discussion is going on so long. Windows backup on windows 7 left a lot to be desired. Macrium is the best and it's free. For platform independence I like Clonezilla, although it's a little less user friendly than Macrium. |
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On 18 May 2018 12:25:59 GMT, Frank Slootweg
wrote: Peter Kozlov wrote: [...] [About Macrium Reflect:] I'm downloading that free version now. Hi Peter, Nice to see you've subscribed to the group! :-) FYI, the free version does Differential backups, i.e. changes since the last Full backup. For me that's sufficient and no need to purchase another version which can do Incremental backups. YMMV. I installed it on one machine and made a boot thumb drive and backup to SSD which ran pretty quick. I like that. Now I'll have to test it. But the speed is excellent. I'm going to install it on my work workstattion as soon as it's done with it's tasks. I've been busy on it all morning. This is actually kind of exciting. Glad to find this group. The very topic I was going to inquire about just happened to be right there. Perfect timing. -- Peter Kozlov |
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On Fri, 18 May 2018 04:18:00 +0100, Good Guy
wrote: On 18/05/2018 03:06, Peter Kozlov wrote: I don't mean to hijack your thread at all. I ran into this post by luck. I just happened to be looking to backup two Windows 10 machines. I bought 64 GB USB thumb drives so I could make a system restore drive in case Windows fails to boot. I'd like to make a full backup that includes a method booting such that the backup can be read and restored. As a bonus I'd like to be able to image the full system SSD and clone it to a larger SSD in the future. And as yet another bonus if I could incrementally update this image as time goes on that would be useful. Does this Macrium home version do this? They have an option for a four pack which I'm sure I can make use of. If this "option" is free then it's fine otherwise the free version of Macrium will do a complete clone/backup of the drive and upsize it to a larger disk. It is free so you can always download and install it. Nothing lost. The other option is to download the free software from WDC or Seagate - both are HD manufacturers and their software is from Acronis True Image Home (ATI or ATH for short) free version that can do full backup as well as incremental backups. You just set it and it does it for you periodically depending on your settings - daily, weekly, monthly, bi-monthly, etc etc, What is your SSD brand or what other brands of HD have you had in the past? WDC and Seagate will only install on their brands but externally connected portable or desktop HDs are acceptable. You just have to download free of charge and install to see what it can do for you. They have a good 130 page manual to go with the software and Acronis Forums can also help you. http://downloads.wdc.com/acronis/ATI2016WD_build33.zip https://www.seagate.com/www-content/support-content/downloads/discwizard/_shared/downloads/DiscWizardSetup-1806036.en.exe I almost always stick to Samsung 950 and 960 Pro Drive NVME SSDs if possible. I have a few EVO M.2 where no NVMe is possible. I do have one Western Digital though in a Lattitude 7370. What I would use as a destination are Samsung T3 and T5 USB-C SSDs. -- Peter Kozlov |
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