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Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?
Jonas Klein wrote:
Am 07.06.2015 um 21:30 schrieb . . .winston: Mayayana wrote: What it is is simply a connecting ramp to transition from the old way of allowing MS to provide updates automatically, to the new way of accepting Windows as a subscription service. Not known, only hypothesized by those who don't know. If you get Win10 you can't stop updates. Not true - only W10 Core (Home) has the limitation. If I were to upgrade from my seven weeks old Windows 8.1 Home, which W10 would I get? Yours would be the first case... W8.1 Home/Core -- W10 Home/Core (with fully automated updates) W8.1 Pro -- W10 Pro (some token control of updates) OEM (Dell/HP/Acer) machines tend to come with "Home". For example, my Acer laptop comes with Win7 Home Premium, and that case would be W7 SP1 Home Premium -- W10 Home/Core (with fully automated updates) If at the very second, I was to "factory restore" the Acer to W7 original version, I would need to install SP1, do all the Windows Updates, install '583 update, then when the notification is present, get my W10 Home/Core download. I do not mention the x32 or x64 part, because that part must be preserved during the update. Yours is x64, and the new W10 Home/Core would also be x64. You cannot mix them, and take an x32 to x64 or an x64 to x32, not with a simple upgrade installation. HTH, Paul |
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Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?
| W8.1 Pro -- W10 Pro (some token control of updates)
| My understanding was that the only option was to delay the updates for business testing, but that choosing not to install them is not an option. |
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Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?
Mayayana wrote:
| W8.1 Pro -- W10 Pro (some token control of updates) | My understanding was that the only option was to delay the updates for business testing, but that choosing not to install them is not an option. That's why I stated it as a "token level of control", because I don't know the details. With the Home/Core, it installs the Windows Update immediately. Then informs you that a reboot is needed, within the next 24 hours or something. And it will reboot on its own eventually, just to show you who is boss. The Pro is supposed to be somehow better. There isn't much room to define a different policy (without the user being in full control). Paul |
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Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?
On 07 Jun 2015, Paul wrote in alt.comp.os.windows-
8: With the Home/Core, it installs the Windows Update immediately. Then informs you that a reboot is needed, within the next 24 hours or something. And it will reboot on its own eventually, just to show you who is boss. This just seems insane to me. What if you're on dial-up? What if you're doing important work when the computer decides it has to reboot? What if you're rendering video and need all available horsepower when it decides to download several gigabytes of updates? What if a particular update turns out to break certain combinations of hardware? You might even be aware of such problems but be unable to stop it other than disconnecting from the net. I can think of many scenarios that are troublesome, to say the least. |
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Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?
Nil wrote:
On 07 Jun 2015, Paul wrote in alt.comp.os.windows- 8: With the Home/Core, it installs the Windows Update immediately. Then informs you that a reboot is needed, within the next 24 hours or something. And it will reboot on its own eventually, just to show you who is boss. This just seems insane to me. What if you're on dial-up? What if you're doing important work when the computer decides it has to reboot? What if you're rendering video and need all available horsepower when it decides to download several gigabytes of updates? What if a particular update turns out to break certain combinations of hardware? You might even be aware of such problems but be unable to stop it other than disconnecting from the net. I can think of many scenarios that are troublesome, to say the least. And I think this should tell you something, about the Microsoft understanding of what people use the computers for. It must be "content consumption", where the user switches off when they sleep, and all the updates can be done then. Apparently, real people don't use computers for longer intervals of time. And people have nothing better to do than wait until some update crap is finished :-) What they're doing, is roughly equivalent to "electric cars" and "range anxiety". They're trying to do the same thing with computers, introduce "update anxiety". Paul |
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Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?
Paul wrote:
Mayayana wrote: | W8.1 Pro -- W10 Pro (some token control of updates) | My understanding was that the only option was to delay the updates for business testing, but that choosing not to install them is not an option. That's why I stated it as a "token level of control", because I don't know the details. With the Home/Core, it installs the Windows Update immediately. Then informs you that a reboot is needed, within the next 24 hours or something. And it will reboot on its own eventually, just to show you who is boss. The Pro is supposed to be somehow better. There isn't much room to define a different policy (without the user being in full control). Paul Win10 has updates preset to automatic, no control Win10 Pro has use configurable options. In the Enterprise environment multiple 'control' options are available for Win10. Mission Critical devices - IT choose what to update and when. Also option to only deploy Security updates. End User devices - IT controls Windows Updates Windows Update for Business - IT controls; updates available in two different distribution rings, configurable maintenance windows for updating, peer to peer delivery, integrates with existing tools -- Windows Update for Business is free for Windows Pro and Windows Enterprise customers. -- ...winston msft mvp consumer apps |
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Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?
| Win10 has updates preset to automatic, no control
| | Win10 Pro has use configurable options. | You seem to be being unnecessarily vague, as is Microsoft. I suppose that's not surprising. The Win10 change is a drastic departure from the past. Basically, with Win10 you get all security patches and "features" installed with no say in the matter. If you have Pro *and* you are signed up with a business account ["CBB". I don't know if there are requirements for that account] then you can defer feature updates but not entirely refuse them. I doubt the enterprise licensing applies to anyone here. http://www.zdnet.com/article/piecing...or-windows-10/ So the gist of it is that if you get Win10 then MS is in charge of your computer. You can cast that in any light you like, but that's the basic fact of the matter. |
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Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?
Mayayana wrote:
Basically, with Win10 you get all security patches and "features" installed with no say in the matter. Not true If you have Pro *and* you are signed up with a business account ["CBB". I don't know if there are requirements for that account] then you can defer feature updates but not entirely refuse them. It's not an account. -- ...winston msft mvp consumer apps |
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