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Old October 4th 17, 03:51 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
T
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Hi All,

Apparently, I have to have "exactly" dot net 3.5 to get Cobian Backup
to work with Volume Shadow Service (VSS).

Is there any trick to this, or just go somewhere on M$ web site
and download and install it?

Many thanks,
-T
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Old October 4th 17, 04:19 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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T wrote:
Hi All,

Apparently, I have to have "exactly" dot net 3.5 to get Cobian Backup
to work with Volume Shadow Service (VSS).

Is there any trick to this, or just go somewhere on M$ web site
and download and install it?

Many thanks,
-T


You're in the Win10 group so...

https://www.tenforums.com/attachment...iles-image.png

That's from this thread.
It appears ticking that box is entirely bulletproof.

( https://www.tenforums.com/software-a...red-files.html )

But that's where I'd start.

*******

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dot...-35-windows-10

"I had to remove 4.6 first and then 3.5 installed OK.
Before it would sit there going nowhere"

You do that by unticking the box for 4/6 in Windows Features,
then tick the box for 3.5. After 3.5 is installed, re-tick the
box for 4.6.

Paul





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Old October 4th 17, 04:19 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Good Guy[_2_]
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Default dot net 3.5

On 04/10/2017 03:51, T wrote:
Hi All,

Apparently, I have to have "exactly" dot net 3.5 to get Cobian Backup
to work with Volume Shadow Service (VSS).

Is there any trick to this, or just go somewhere on M$ web site
and download and install it?

Many thanks,
-T


If you are on Windows 8, 8.1 or 10 then you need to do this:

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/framework/install/dotnet-35-windows-10

If you are creating any Windows APP then you need the full package:

https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/download/details.aspx?id=25150

Good luck.



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Old October 4th 17, 04:58 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
T
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On 10/03/2017 08:19 PM, Paul wrote:
T wrote:
Hi All,

Apparently, I have to have "exactly" dot net 3.5 to get Cobian Backup
to work with Volume Shadow Service (VSS).

Is there any trick to this, or just go somewhere on M$ web site
and download and install it?

Many thanks,
-T


You're in the Win10 group so...

https://www.tenforums.com/attachment...iles-image.png


That's from this thread.
It appears ticking that box is entirely bulletproof.

(
https://www.tenforums.com/software-a...red-files.html
)

But that's where I'd start.

*******

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dot...-35-windows-10


Â*Â* "I had to remove 4.6 first and then 3.5 installed OK.
Â*Â*Â* Before it would sit there going nowhere"

You do that by unticking the box for 4/6 in Windows Features,
then tick the box for 3.5. After 3.5 is installed, re-tick the
box for 4.6.

Â*Â* Paul


Thank you!
  #5  
Old October 4th 17, 04:59 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
T
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Default dot net 3.5

On 10/03/2017 08:19 PM, Good Guy wrote:
On 04/10/2017 03:51, T wrote:
Hi All,

Apparently, I have to have "exactly" dot net 3.5 to get Cobian Backup
to work with Volume Shadow Service (VSS).

Is there any trick to this, or just go somewhere on M$ web site
and download and install it?

Many thanks,
-T


If you are on Windows 8, 8.1 or 10 then you need to do this:

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/framework/install/dotnet-35-windows-10

If you are creating any Windows APP then you need the full package:

https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/download/details.aspx?id=25150

Good luck.


Thank you!
  #6  
Old October 4th 17, 04:59 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
T
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On 10/03/2017 08:21 PM, KenW wrote:
On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 19:51:58 -0700, T wrote:

Hi All,

Apparently, I have to have "exactly" dot net 3.5 to get Cobian Backup
to work with Volume Shadow Service (VSS).

Is there any trick to this, or just go somewhere on M$ web site
and download and install it?

Many thanks,
-T


Check here, has 3.5 sp1

https://www.microsoft.com/net/download/framework


KenW



Thank you!
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Old October 4th 17, 05:58 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
VanguardLH[_2_]
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T wrote:

Apparently, I have to have "exactly" dot net 3.5 to get Cobian Backup
to work with Volume Shadow Service (VSS).

Is there any trick to this, or just go somewhere on M$ web site
and download and install it?


https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dot...m-requirements

Nothing less than .NET Framework 4 (back on Windows XP) is listed as
installable. For Windows 10, the tables says nothing less than the
included 4.7 is installable in the Creators edition (which I have to
assume is what you have).

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dot...d-dependencies

That's presents differing compatibities regarding what .NET version is
included or can be installed on what version of Windows. That says .Net
3.5 is already bundled in Windows 10. To find what versions of .Net
that are currently installed, see:

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dot...-are-installed

To check about .Net 3.5 in your instance of Windows 10, go look under
the HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\NET Framework Setup\NDP
registry key to see if a 3.5 subkey is listed under there. So are you
sure your Windows 10 does not already have .NET Framework 3.5 installed?

If it is missing from your particular Windows 10 install, you can grab a
download of the 3.5 installer at:

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/down...ils.aspx?id=21
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dot...-35-windows-10

As I recall, the installer will check if a version has dependencies with
prior versions; i.e., some versions won't install unless the requisite
prior version(s) is(are) installed. 3.5 is an incremental update from
3.0 so you need 3.0, too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.NET_F...elease_history

That shows 3.5 was the last minor version within that major version.
There wasn't a later version that might modify or rely upon 3.5.

You sure you aren't being disingenuous to your paying customers who want
a real human instead of getting presented with a frankenstein?
Cobian Backup development died back in Dec 2012 - but you already knew
that. That's why you keep repairing Cobian Backup. If they are paying
you, "free" is not their only criteria for a backup solution.
  #8  
Old October 4th 17, 02:52 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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KenW wrote:
On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 23:58:59 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

T wrote:

Apparently, I have to have "exactly" dot net 3.5 to get Cobian Backup
to work with Volume Shadow Service (VSS).

Is there any trick to this, or just go somewhere on M$ web site
and download and install it?

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dot...m-requirements

Nothing less than .NET Framework 4 (back on Windows XP) is listed as
installable. For Windows 10, the tables says nothing less than the
included 4.7 is installable in the Creators edition (which I have to
assume is what you have).

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dot...d-dependencies

That's presents differing compatibities regarding what .NET version is
included or can be installed on what version of Windows. That says .Net
3.5 is already bundled in Windows 10. To find what versions of .Net
that are currently installed, see:

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dot...-are-installed

To check about .Net 3.5 in your instance of Windows 10, go look under
the HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\NET Framework Setup\NDP
registry key to see if a 3.5 subkey is listed under there. So are you
sure your Windows 10 does not already have .NET Framework 3.5 installed?

If it is missing from your particular Windows 10 install, you can grab a
download of the 3.5 installer at:

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/down...ils.aspx?id=21
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dot...-35-windows-10

As I recall, the installer will check if a version has dependencies with
prior versions; i.e., some versions won't install unless the requisite
prior version(s) is(are) installed. 3.5 is an incremental update from
3.0 so you need 3.0, too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.NET_F...elease_history

That shows 3.5 was the last minor version within that major version.
There wasn't a later version that might modify or rely upon 3.5.

You sure you aren't being disingenuous to your paying customers who want
a real human instead of getting presented with a frankenstein?
Cobian Backup development died back in Dec 2012 - but you already knew
that. That's why you keep repairing Cobian Backup. If they are paying
you, "free" is not their only criteria for a backup solution.


You can install older versions. At least with Win 7, I was able to get
1.1 (I think) there was even instruction howto. Of course Win 10 is a
different animal, Soooooooooo !


KenW


There are hints here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.NET_Framework

Rev. CLR Date

1.0 1.0 2002-02-13
1.1 1.1 2003-04-24

2.0 2.0 2005-11-07
3.0 2.0 2006-11-06
3.5 2.0 2007-11-19

4.0 4 2010-04-12
4.5 4 2012-08-15
4.5.1 4 2013-10-17
4.5.2 4 2014-05-05
4.6 4 2015-07-20
4.6.1 4 2015-11-30
4.6.2 4 2016-08-02
4.7 4 2017-04-05

*******

Programs that ask for CLR 1.1, won[t be satisfied by other versions.
Modern OSes won't be dependent on 1.1 either. That gives a degree
of freedom.

I don't think a program looking for CLR 2, would particularly
be pleased with CLR 4, but I cannot verify that from the available
documentation. Because the approach (big release, mini release
followed by big update, newer release replaces older release)
has changed over the years, and the web articles might still
not have enough detail to figure it out.

There would not be a tick box for 3.5 in Windows Features, unless
it was a compatibility solution for older code. That would be
my evidence that installing 4.x with CLR 4, doesn't solve
a CLR 2 requirement from an application.

Paul
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Old October 4th 17, 06:26 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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"VanguardLH" wrote in message ...

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dot...m-requirements


Nothing less than .NET Framework 4 (back on Windows XP) is
listed as installable. For Windows 10, the tables says nothing
less than the included 4.7 is installable in the Creators
edition (which I have to assume is what you have).


FYI

The article and table only applies to requirements and o/s support for 4.5,
4.6, 4.7

The 'install-ability' of 3.5 in Win10 does not apply to that article/table.

3.5 will also install on 1709(Fall Creators Update), like 1703 Creators via
same route 'Turn Windows features on/off'

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  #10  
Old October 4th 17, 07:59 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
T
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On 10/03/2017 09:58 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
T wrote:

Apparently, I have to have "exactly" dot net 3.5 to get Cobian Backup
to work with Volume Shadow Service (VSS).

Is there any trick to this, or just go somewhere on M$ web site
and download and install it?


https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dot...m-requirements

Nothing less than .NET Framework 4 (back on Windows XP) is listed as
installable. For Windows 10, the tables says nothing less than the
included 4.7 is installable in the Creators edition (which I have to
assume is what you have).

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dot...d-dependencies

That's presents differing compatibities regarding what .NET version is
included or can be installed on what version of Windows. That says .Net
3.5 is already bundled in Windows 10. To find what versions of .Net
that are currently installed, see:

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dot...-are-installed

To check about .Net 3.5 in your instance of Windows 10, go look under
the HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\NET Framework Setup\NDP
registry key to see if a 3.5 subkey is listed under there. So are you
sure your Windows 10 does not already have .NET Framework 3.5 installed?

If it is missing from your particular Windows 10 install, you can grab a
download of the 3.5 installer at:

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/down...ils.aspx?id=21
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dot...-35-windows-10

As I recall, the installer will check if a version has dependencies with
prior versions; i.e., some versions won't install unless the requisite
prior version(s) is(are) installed. 3.5 is an incremental update from
3.0 so you need 3.0, too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.NET_F...elease_history

That shows 3.5 was the last minor version within that major version.
There wasn't a later version that might modify or rely upon 3.5.

You sure you aren't being disingenuous to your paying customers who want
a real human instead of getting presented with a frankenstein?
Cobian Backup development died back in Dec 2012 - but you already knew
that. That's why you keep repairing Cobian Backup. If they are paying
you, "free" is not their only criteria for a backup solution.



Hi Vanguard,

Thank you! A wonderful write up.

I haven't found anything that has Cobian's feature set
to replace it. You have any suggestions? It must have zero
proprietary formats and backups must be readable by any
file manager, including non-windows file managers. And it
must eMail reports. VSS compatibility is a requirement.

Also, I receive about 175 Cobian eMail reports a weeks from
all my customers using Cobian. It is pretty rare that I
have an issue.

I has also written rotation and ftp wrappers for Cobian.
Eventually, I may just upgrade these wrapper to do it
all myself, but ............

This guy can't contact the VSS service. He throws an error
trying to backup up his Outlook (speaking of Frankenstein)
PST file. A corrupted or missing Dot Net 3.5 seems to be
the issue when Googled.

The worst part about backup is "out of sight, out of mind".
Customer ***** WILL NOT ***** read their backup reports
and find their backups damaged or not at all when they
need them. So I get them emailed to me. I read them
for them for free as it only takes me about 15 minutes a
week go through them all. (I use Thunderbird's "find in message"
feature and Thunderbird's filters.) And I get paid to fix
what goes wrong, typically the drives go bad after about
four years or they stop plugging them in (that happens a lot).

-T
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Old October 4th 17, 08:02 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 10/04/2017 10:26 AM, ...winston wrote:
"VanguardLH"Â* wrote in message ...

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dot...m-requirements


Nothing less than .NET Framework 4 (back on Windows XP) is
listed as installable.Â* For Windows 10, the tables says nothing
less than the included 4.7 is installable in the Creators
edition (which I have to assume is what you have).


FYI

The article and table only applies to requirements and o/s support for
4.5, 4.6, 4.7

The 'install-ability' of 3.5 in Win10 does not apply to that article/table.

3.5 will also install on 1709(Fall Creators Update), like 1703 Creators
via same route 'Turn Windows features on/off'


Thank you!
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Old October 5th 17, 02:52 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
VanguardLH[_2_]
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T wrote:

I haven't found anything that has Cobian's feature set
to replace it. You have any suggestions? It must have zero
proprietary formats and backups must be readable by any
file manager, including non-windows file managers. And it
must eMail reports. VSS compatibility is a requirement.


We've been through this before. Those are YOUR requirements, not the
customer's. Their limitations in choice seem more you limitation.

None of the free backup programs that I've tried are lacking VSS
support. All have an e-mail report option (you can select to report on
success, failure, or just one of those - so failure reports is what is
really needed). However, most would require you buy them to the e-mail
report feature yet, as I said, they're paying you so I don't believe
that having to pay $30-$40 per workstation is outside their budget.

Hope the other info about .Net 3.5 helped. Did you check if it was
already installed? As winston hinted, maybe you have to enable it
(i.e., the files would already have to be available or installable
internally) as a Windows feature? If it is already there then another
install might have it step atop of whatever corruption you think there
may be with it.

I've also found advice about getting .Net 3.5 to work in Windows 10 by
running:

DISM /Online /Enable-Feature /FeatureName:NetFx3 /All /LimitAccess
/Source:drive:\sources\sxs

drive, uppercased, is whatever is the drive letter for the install
media with the ISO of Windows 10. I think the capitals are important in
this command but if the command fails then try all lowercase.
  #13  
Old October 5th 17, 05:16 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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VanguardLH wrote:
T wrote:

I haven't found anything that has Cobian's feature set
to replace it. You have any suggestions? It must have zero
proprietary formats and backups must be readable by any
file manager, including non-windows file managers. And it
must eMail reports. VSS compatibility is a requirement.


We've been through this before. Those are YOUR requirements, not the
customer's. Their limitations in choice seem more you limitation.

None of the free backup programs that I've tried are lacking VSS
support. All have an e-mail report option (you can select to report on
success, failure, or just one of those - so failure reports is what is
really needed). However, most would require you buy them to the e-mail
report feature yet, as I said, they're paying you so I don't believe
that having to pay $30-$40 per workstation is outside their budget.

Hope the other info about .Net 3.5 helped. Did you check if it was
already installed? As winston hinted, maybe you have to enable it
(i.e., the files would already have to be available or installable
internally) as a Windows feature? If it is already there then another
install might have it step atop of whatever corruption you think there
may be with it.

I've also found advice about getting .Net 3.5 to work in Windows 10 by
running:

DISM /Online /Enable-Feature /FeatureName:NetFx3 /All /LimitAccess
/Source:drive:\sources\sxs

drive, uppercased, is whatever is the drive letter for the install
media with the ISO of Windows 10. I think the capitals are important in
this command but if the command fails then try all lowercase.


I got the impression part of what T does with
Cobian, is scripting. Not all backup programs are that
good at scripting.

*******

https://www.veritas.com/support/en_US/article.000037440

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vssadmin list writers

State: Stable
No error

It could be that commands like that, might show an entry
for Outlook, and the scheme used to make the Outlook
data store quiescent when a backup runs. Maybe it's
the Outlook code (an older version of Outlook) that
is looking for .net 3.5 and CLR 2.0.

Paul
  #14  
Old October 5th 17, 07:51 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
T
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On 10/03/2017 07:51 PM, T wrote:
Hi All,

Apparently, I have to have "exactly" dot net 3.5 to get Cobian Backup
to work with Volume Shadow Service (VSS).

Is there any trick to this, or just go somewhere on M$ web site
and download and install it?

Many thanks,
-T


Followup:

This was the error:

ERR 2017-09-28 09:30 Couldn't contact the Volume Shadow Copy
requester. Please check that the service is installed and running


And it transpires that the user was "too busy" to shut his computer
down (I disabled fast boot months ago) when he left for the day.
Then he finally did. Amazing how many problems reboot fixes in
Windows.

Mumble...

-T
  #15  
Old October 5th 17, 07:54 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
T
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On 10/04/2017 09:16 PM, Paul wrote:
I got the impression part of what T does with
Cobian, is scripting. Not all backup programs are that
good at scripting.


I wrap Cobian in my own code. Cobian allows me to
call my scripts.
 




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