Weird Network Problem

I have two W10 computers connected as a workgroup. As far as I know
every thing is done correctly and identically on both computers.

But when I display the network on computer A all I can see is computer
A with no sign of B.

And when I display the network on computer B, yet again, all I can see
is computer A with no sign of B.

What am I missing?
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Regards,

Eric Stevens

On 8/14/2017 6:00 PM, Eric Stevens wrote:
I have two W10 computers connected as a workgroup. As far as I know
every thing is done correctly and identically on both computers.

But when I display the network on computer A all I can see is computer
A with no sign of B.

And when I display the network on computer B, yet again, all I can see
is computer A with no sign of B.

What am I missing?

1) If they are using a wireless connection verify the SPI option is not
on in the router causing both to be isolated from each other.


2) In the lower right corner, right click on the network icon and verify
that neither are set for Public Network.


3) Then click on the "Change advanced sharing setup" and see if "Turn on
network discovery" and "Turn on automatic setup of network connected
devices" are both active.

I am sure there are other options or features that might be keeping them
isolated but these three come to mind at the moment.

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On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 19:53:39 -0500, GlowingBlueMist
wrote:

On 8/14/2017 6:00 PM, Eric Stevens wrote:
I have two W10 computers connected as a workgroup. As far as I know
every thing is done correctly and identically on both computers.

But when I display the network on computer A all I can see is computer
A with no sign of B.

And when I display the network on computer B, yet again, all I can see
is computer A with no sign of B.

What am I missing?

1) If they are using a wireless connection verify the SPI option is not
on in the router causing both to be isolated from each other.


2) In the lower right corner, right click on the network icon and verify
that neither are set for Public Network.


3) Then click on the "Change advanced sharing setup" and see if "Turn on
network discovery" and "Turn on automatic setup of network connected
devices" are both active.

I am sure there are other options or features that might be keeping them
isolated but these three come to mind at the moment.


My apologies: I should have said that the connection is ethernet via a
router. There are two printers on the ethernet network also and these
are visible from both machines. It's just this one computer which is
invisible.
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Regards,

Eric Stevens

On 15/08/2017 02:16, Eric Stevens wrote:
My apologies: I should have said that the connection is ethernet via a
router. There are two printers on the ethernet network also and these
are visible from both machines. It's just this one computer which is
invisible.

OK you have apologized so I can give you this dummies article for you to
read and see if you can solve the problem yourself.

http://www.dummies.com/computers/operating-systems/windows-10/how-to-enable-network-discovery-and-configure-sharing-options-in-windows-10/

You can always come back here and ask a supplementary question for a fiver.



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On 8/14/2017 7:00 PM, Eric Stevens wrote:
I have two W10 computers connected as a workgroup. As far as I know
every thing is done correctly and identically on both computers.

But when I display the network on computer A all I can see is computer
A with no sign of B.

And when I display the network on computer B, yet again, all I can see
is computer A with no sign of B.

What am I missing?


On Computer B
Is the Computer Browser Service present or absent?

Is the Windows Feature SMB1(in Control Panel/Programs and Features )
selected

Thread with details at
https://www.tenforums.com/network-sh...s-missing.html

On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 02:24:20 +0100, Good Guy
wrote:

On 15/08/2017 02:16, Eric Stevens wrote:
My apologies: I should have said that the connection is ethernet via a
router. There are two printers on the ethernet network also and these
are visible from both machines. It's just this one computer which is
invisible.

OK you have apologized so I can give you this dummies article for you to
read and see if you can solve the problem yourself.

http://www.dummies.com/computers/operating-systems/windows-10/how-to-enable-network-discovery-and-configure-sharing-options-in-windows-10/

You can always come back here and ask a supplementary question for a fiver.

Yep: Network discovery is on. But even if it was off, on a particular
computer, it should enable that computer to see itself.

I still have the problem. :-(
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Regards,

Eric Stevens

On 14/08/2017 6:00 PM, Eric Stevens wrote:

I have two W10 computers connected as a workgroup. As far as I know
every thing is done correctly and identically on both computers.

But when I display the network on computer A all I can see is computer
A with no sign of B.

And when I display the network on computer B, yet again, all I can see
is computer A with no sign of B.

What am I missing?

Computer B.

On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 21:57:34 -0400, RoseW wrote:

On 8/14/2017 7:00 PM, Eric Stevens wrote:
I have two W10 computers connected as a workgroup. As far as I know
every thing is done correctly and identically on both computers.

But when I display the network on computer A all I can see is computer
A with no sign of B.

And when I display the network on computer B, yet again, all I can see
is computer A with no sign of B.

What am I missing?


On Computer B
Is the Computer Browser Service present or absent?

Yep: running on both machines. (or 'Browser Service' is. I presume
that's what you meant.)

Is the Windows Feature SMB1(in Control Panel/Programs and Features )
selected

Thread with details at
https://www.tenforums.com/network-sh...s-missing.html

Neither machine seems to have SMB1. Both were updated during the
course of me assembling the network and I don't know whether or not it
was there before that.
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Regards,

Eric Stevens

On 8/14/2017 11:32 PM, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 21:57:34 -0400, RoseW wrote:

On 8/14/2017 7:00 PM, Eric Stevens wrote:
I have two W10 computers connected as a workgroup. As far as I know
every thing is done correctly and identically on both computers.

But when I display the network on computer A all I can see is computer
A with no sign of B.

And when I display the network on computer B, yet again, all I can see
is computer A with no sign of B.

What am I missing?


On Computer B
Is the Computer Browser Service present or absent?

Yep: running on both machines. (or 'Browser Service' is. I presume
that's what you meant.)

Is the Windows Feature SMB1(in Control Panel/Programs and Features )
selected

Thread with details at
https://www.tenforums.com/network-sh...s-missing.html

Neither machine seems to have SMB1. Both were updated during the
course of me assembling the network and I don't know whether or not it
was there before that.


Suddenly this loss of one machine in the Network display happened to my
desktop these past days. The laptop had all the detail but it could not
communicate with the desktop. The Desktop had no detail of the network.
It had no browser service running. The SMB1 windows feature was not ticked.
The laptop had the browser service and theSMB1 was ticked.

Back in the spring one of the protective suggestions for the WannaCry
Ransomware possibility was to untick the SMB1. This action removes the
required Browser service so Network is lost is the info relayed in that
link I shared above.

I returned the SMB1 feature to the Desktop and the Network display
returned. I had to ADD a persmission of EVERYONE for some shared folders
to work.
The dependencies of my Browser service starts with SMB2. There is no
mention of this old SMB1 .

At this point I am not sure if I turned the SMB1 off last spring, a
recent parts replacement or the recent Win10 1703 updates had an
influence on that SMB1 feature but everything is working now.

On 15/08/2017 04:10, Eric Stevens wrote:
I still have the problem. :-(


OK make sure all these services are running and if they aren't, change
them to run automatically:

https://i.imgur.com/fnadyY5.png https://i.imgur.com/fnadyY5.png

https://i.imgur.com/nkDI6BP.png https://i.imgur.com/nkDI6BP.png

https://i.imgur.com/WcStVqa.png https://i.imgur.com/WcStVqa.png

https://i.imgur.com/DjFMIpS.png https://i.imgur.com/DjFMIpS.png


The services a
DNS Client
Function Discovery Resource Properties
SSDP Discovery
UPnP Device Host Properties

Please also make them Automatic by right-clicking on the item and
changing the properties.

That is £20 for the service!!!!!!!!!!!!!




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On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 11:00:24 +1200, Eric Stevens
wrote:

I have two W10 computers connected as a workgroup. As far as I know
every thing is done correctly and identically on both computers.

But when I display the network on computer A all I can see is computer
A with no sign of B.

And when I display the network on computer B, yet again, all I can see
is computer A with no sign of B.

What am I missing?

I've made a change to the virtual network by means of which computer B
connects to the Internet. B still connects to the Internet but can
find neither A nor itself on the network. It can still find the two
printers on the network. Meantime A can see everything. (?)

Windows diagnostics has looked at B's network adaptor but now says
there is something wrong but it hasn't got enough information to
decide what. I don't really think its a physical fault and more likely
to be configuration.
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Regards,

Eric Stevens

On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 11:30:30 +1200, Eric Stevens
wrote:

On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 11:00:24 +1200, Eric Stevens
wrote:

I have two W10 computers connected as a workgroup. As far as I know
every thing is done correctly and identically on both computers.

But when I display the network on computer A all I can see is computer
A with no sign of B.

And when I display the network on computer B, yet again, all I can see
is computer A with no sign of B.

What am I missing?

I've made a change to the virtual network by means of which computer B
connects to the Internet. B still connects to the Internet but can
find neither A nor itself on the network. It can still find the two
printers on the network. Meantime A can see everything. (?)

Windows diagnostics has looked at B's network adaptor but now says
there is something wrong but it hasn't got enough information to
decide what. I don't really think its a physical fault and more likely
to be configuration.

Open a Command Prompt on each of the two PCs and type "ipconfig /all".
Compare the output, specifically for the connection that is being used
to access the Internet. Post the results here, but don't include any
personal info.

I don't think the issue is there since both PCs can access the Internet,
but you can rule it out quickly.

It sounds like you're focusing on being able to "see" the other PC on
the network, which requires multiple config pieces to be present and set
up correctly. A much simpler test is to type "ping 1.2.3.4" in a Command
Prompt window, but substitute the IP Address of the _other_ PC instead
of the placeholder, 1.2.3.4. See if you get a response. Then go to the
other PC and do the same thing, but using the PC of the first PC as the
target IP address. You need to get successful responses in both
directions. If not, fix that before going any further.

If that works, open Windows Explorer and enter "\\1.2.3.4" as the
Location, but of course once again replace the placeholder with the IP
address of the other PC. If your shared folders pop up, you're 90% there
and it's just a network discovery issue. If that doesn't work, it could
be the firewall on the other PC, permissions, nothing shared, etc.

On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 18:14:27 +0100, Good Guy
wrote:

On 15/08/2017 04:10, Eric Stevens wrote:
I still have the problem. :-(


OK make sure all these services are running and if they aren't, change
them to run automatically:

https://i.imgur.com/fnadyY5.png https://i.imgur.com/fnadyY5.png

https://i.imgur.com/nkDI6BP.png https://i.imgur.com/nkDI6BP.png

https://i.imgur.com/WcStVqa.png https://i.imgur.com/WcStVqa.png

https://i.imgur.com/DjFMIpS.png https://i.imgur.com/DjFMIpS.png


The services a
DNS Client
Function Discovery Resource Properties
SSDP Discovery
UPnP Device Host Properties

Please also make them Automatic by right-clicking on the item and
changing the properties.

That is £20 for the service!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have checked on both machines and found that 'Function Discovery
Resource Properties' seems to now be named 'Function Discovery
Resource Publication' and 'UPnP Device Host Properties' has been
abreviated to 'UPnP Device Host'. I presume these are the same
services you had in mind.

I have checked both machines and found the situation was the same on
each. On each machine all four services were running. However only the
DNS Client was set for an automatic start. All the rest were manual.

I have changed them all to automatic start and after rebooting I found
I have my network back!

Many, many thanks. The jungle that is Windows has grown up around me
and I no longer am able to distinguish desirable plants from weeds.

I would gladly give you £20 for the service but I suspect our local
pubs are too far apart.
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Regards,

Eric Stevens

On 16/08/2017 02:05, Eric Stevens wrote:
I would gladly give you £20 for the service but I suspect our local
pubs are too far apart.

Doesn't matter. when you next meet me pay me in full plus 100% interest.

I don't drink so it is unlikely you'll see me in pubs but I eat in
McDonalds every Saturday and Sunday. Monday to Friday is in our staff
canteen - Breakfast, Lunch and dinner.

Just created a new newsgroup to deal with Wordpress and all things
web-design, HTML, CSS on:

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news://news.lexi.net/oldschool.webdev
news://news.lexi.net/oldschool.ot

Spammers are dealt with swiftly and reported to the authorities.



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On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 11:30:30 +1200, Eric Stevens
wrote:

On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 11:00:24 +1200, Eric Stevens
wrote:

I have two W10 computers connected as a workgroup. As far as I know
every thing is done correctly and identically on both computers.

But when I display the network on computer A all I can see is computer
A with no sign of B.

And when I display the network on computer B, yet again, all I can see
is computer A with no sign of B.

What am I missing?

I've made a change to the virtual network by means of which computer B
connects to the Internet. B still connects to the Internet but can
find neither A nor itself on the network. It can still find the two
printers on the network. Meantime A can see everything. (?)

Windows diagnostics has looked at B's network adaptor but now says
there is something wrong but it hasn't got enough information to
decide what. I don't really think its a physical fault and more likely
to be configuration.

But now it's fixed!

For details see the post from Good Guy and my response.
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Regards,

Eric Stevens