Setting up new PC

My wife's W8.1 laptop appears to have died. She has bought an HP Envy
W10 replacement which is exactly the same model as I already use. I
have set mine up with much customization to make it much less like a
W10 machine.

I now need to set up my wife's new laptop for her. She is used to
using mine occasionally and likes it very much. I make both an image
and a clone of my 'C' drive every week. So my question is: In order
to set up the new laptop, can I simply put an image or clone of mine
onto it and then uninstall/delete any stuff she doesn't want or do I
have to start from scratch.

Please excuse me if this is a silly question as I am a septuagenarian!
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Chris

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I have set mine up with much customization to make it much less like
a W10 machine.
I now need to set up my wife's new laptop for her.
It's very easy to fall into the trap that because you feel the need to
customise Win10 to your needs, that everyone else should want the same
customisations.

Sometimes it's best to see if they get on with it straight out of the
box ...

wrote:
My wife's W8.1 laptop appears to have died. She has bought an HP Envy
W10 replacement which is exactly the same model as I already use. I
have set mine up with much customization to make it much less like a
W10 machine.

I now need to set up my wife's new laptop for her. She is used to
using mine occasionally and likes it very much. I make both an image
and a clone of my 'C' drive every week. So my question is: In order
to set up the new laptop, can I simply put an image or clone of mine
onto it and then uninstall/delete any stuff she doesn't want or do I
have to start from scratch.

Please excuse me if this is a silly question as I am a septuagenarian!
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Chris

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I should think it would work. I've restored many images and clones to
the same machine, but not to another. However, I'd bet heavily that it
would work with an identical model.

The thing to do beforehand is to make sure it's recoverable if it
doesn't work.
How far is she into using it? Would a factory restore be acceptable? If
not, take an image of where she's at.
Then go ahead.

It might be a good idea to list the steps beforehand, and tick them off
at each stage; something like this.
1. Image of new machine (factory or personal)
2. Image of old machine.
3. Restore old onto new machine.
4. Fully test.

We'll be here to help should you hit problems.

Ed

Ed Cryer wrote:
wrote:
My wife's W8.1 laptop appears to have died.Â* She has bought an HP Envy
W10 replacement which is exactly the same model as I already use.Â* I
have set mine up with much customization to make it much less like a
W10 machine.

I now need to set up my wife's new laptop for her.Â* She is used to
using mine occasionally and likes it very much.Â* I make both an image
and a clone of my 'C' drive every week.Â* So my question is: In order
to set up the new laptop, can I simply put an image or clone of mine
onto it and then uninstall/delete any stuff she doesn't want or do I
have to start from scratch.

Please excuse me if this is a silly question as I am a septuagenarian!
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Chris

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I should think it would work. I've restored many images and clones to
the same machine, but not to another. However, I'd bet heavily that it
would work with an identical model.

The thing to do beforehand is to make sure it's recoverable if it
doesn't work.
How far is she into using it? Would a factory restore be acceptable? If
not, take an image of where she's at.
Then go ahead.

It might be a good idea to list the steps beforehand, and tick them off
at each stage; something like this.
1. Image of new machine (factory or personal)
2. Image of old machine.
3. Restore old onto new machine.
4. Fully test.

We'll be here to help should you hit problems.

Ed



One caveat. They'll need identical hardware.
Have you made any changes at all to your one since buying?
Have the manufacturers made any changes at all since selling your one?

Ed

On 2/22/2018 6:46 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:
wrote:
My wife's W8.1 laptop appears to have died.Â* She has bought an HP Envy
W10 replacement which is exactly the same model as I already use.Â* I
have set mine up with much customization to make it much less like a
W10 machine.

I now need to set up my wife's new laptop for her.Â* She is used to
using mine occasionally and likes it very much.Â* I make both an image
and a clone of my 'C' drive every week.Â* So my question is: In order
to set up the new laptop, can I simply put an image or clone of mine
onto it and then uninstall/delete any stuff she doesn't want or do I
have to start from scratch.

Please excuse me if this is a silly question as I am a septuagenarian!
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Chris

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I should think it would work. I've restored many images and clones to
the same machine, but not to another. However, I'd bet heavily that it
would work with an identical model.

The thing to do beforehand is to make sure it's recoverable if it
doesn't work.
How far is she into using it? Would a factory restore be acceptable? If
not, take an image of where she's at.
Then go ahead.

It might be a good idea to list the steps beforehand, and tick them off
at each stage; something like this.
1. Image of new machine (factory or personal)
2. Image of old machine.
3. Restore old onto new machine.
4. Fully test.

We'll be here to help should you hit problems.

Ed


If there is any age difference between the same model machine, there is
the possibility that it has diffferent versions drivers, and software
even though the title is the same.


I would recommend setting up the new machince, and not carry all the
minor errors and old caches from on your machine into hers. The
registry some times collects old obsolete entries that are not needed.
You collect remanents of past versions of current programs and programs
you tried and removed. They all leave stuff on your computer. It is
best to start fresh

As an example I recently discovered that Firefox bookmarks are backed up
automatically and I had dozen of backup when I learned of them.

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Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 2/22/2018 6:46 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:
wrote:
My wife's W8.1 laptop appears to have died.Â* She has bought an HP Envy
W10 replacement which is exactly the same model as I already use.Â* I
have set mine up with much customization to make it much less like a
W10 machine.

I now need to set up my wife's new laptop for her.Â* She is used to
using mine occasionally and likes it very much.Â* I make both an image
and a clone of my 'C' drive every week.Â* So my question is: In order
to set up the new laptop, can I simply put an image or clone of mine
onto it and then uninstall/delete any stuff she doesn't want or do I
have to start from scratch.

Please excuse me if this is a silly question as I am a septuagenarian!
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Chris

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I should think it would work. I've restored many images and clones to
the same machine, but not to another. However, I'd bet heavily that it
would work with an identical model.

The thing to do beforehand is to make sure it's recoverable if it
doesn't work.
How far is she into using it? Would a factory restore be acceptable?
If not, take an image of where she's at.
Then go ahead.

It might be a good idea to list the steps beforehand, and tick them
off at each stage; something like this.
1. Image of new machine (factory or personal)
2. Image of old machine.
3. Restore old onto new machine.
4. Fully test.

We'll be here to help should you hit problems.

Ed


If there is any age difference between the same model machine, there is
the possibility that it has diffferent versions drivers, and software
even though the title is the same.


I would recommend setting up the new machince, and not carry all the
minor errors and old caches from on your machine into hers.Â* The
registry some times collects old obsolete entries that are not needed.
You collect remanents of past versions of current programs and programs
you tried and removed.Â* They all leave stuff on your computer.Â* It is
best to start fresh

As an example I recently discovered that Firefox bookmarks are backed up
automatically and I had dozen of backup when I learned of them.


Where are the Firefox bookmarks backups stored?

Ed

On 2/22/2018 7:03 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:
Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 2/22/2018 6:46 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:
wrote:
My wife's W8.1 laptop appears to have died.Â* She has bought an HP Envy
W10 replacement which is exactly the same model as I already use.Â* I
have set mine up with much customization to make it much less like a
W10 machine.

I now need to set up my wife's new laptop for her.Â* She is used to
using mine occasionally and likes it very much.Â* I make both an image
and a clone of my 'C' drive every week.Â* So my question is: In order
to set up the new laptop, can I simply put an image or clone of mine
onto it and then uninstall/delete any stuff she doesn't want or do I
have to start from scratch.

Please excuse me if this is a silly question as I am a septuagenarian!
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Chris

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I should think it would work. I've restored many images and clones to
the same machine, but not to another. However, I'd bet heavily that
it would work with an identical model.

The thing to do beforehand is to make sure it's recoverable if it
doesn't work.
How far is she into using it? Would a factory restore be acceptable?
If not, take an image of where she's at.
Then go ahead.

It might be a good idea to list the steps beforehand, and tick them
off at each stage; something like this.
1. Image of new machine (factory or personal)
2. Image of old machine.
3. Restore old onto new machine.
4. Fully test.

We'll be here to help should you hit problems.

Ed


If there is any age difference between the same model machine, there
is the possibility that it has diffferent versions drivers, and
software even though the title is the same.


I would recommend setting up the new machince, and not carry all the
minor errors and old caches from on your machine into hers.Â* The
registry some times collects old obsolete entries that are not needed.
You collect remanents of past versions of current programs and
programs you tried and removed.Â* They all leave stuff on your
computer.Â* It is best to start fresh

As an example I recently discovered that Firefox bookmarks are backed
up automatically and I had dozen of backup when I learned of them.


Where are the Firefox bookmarks backups stored?

Ed
C:\Users\UserID\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\Firefox\Pr ofiles\ez8rogjb.default\bookmarkbackups

After you have deleted most of the backup, go into about:config and
change browser.bookmarks.max_backups to some thing reasonable.


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Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 2/22/2018 7:03 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:
Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 2/22/2018 6:46 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:
wrote:
My wife's W8.1 laptop appears to have died.Â* She has bought an HP Envy
W10 replacement which is exactly the same model as I already use.Â* I
have set mine up with much customization to make it much less like a
W10 machine.

I now need to set up my wife's new laptop for her.Â* She is used to
using mine occasionally and likes it very much.Â* I make both an image
and a clone of my 'C' drive every week.Â* So my question is: In order
to set up the new laptop, can I simply put an image or clone of mine
onto it and then uninstall/delete any stuff she doesn't want or do I
have to start from scratch.

Please excuse me if this is a silly question as I am a septuagenarian!
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Chris

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I should think it would work. I've restored many images and clones
to the same machine, but not to another. However, I'd bet heavily
that it would work with an identical model.

The thing to do beforehand is to make sure it's recoverable if it
doesn't work.
How far is she into using it? Would a factory restore be acceptable?
If not, take an image of where she's at.
Then go ahead.

It might be a good idea to list the steps beforehand, and tick them
off at each stage; something like this.
1. Image of new machine (factory or personal)
2. Image of old machine.
3. Restore old onto new machine.
4. Fully test.

We'll be here to help should you hit problems.

Ed


If there is any age difference between the same model machine, there
is the possibility that it has diffferent versions drivers, and
software even though the title is the same.


I would recommend setting up the new machince, and not carry all the
minor errors and old caches from on your machine into hers.Â* The
registry some times collects old obsolete entries that are not
needed. You collect remanents of past versions of current programs
and programs you tried and removed.Â* They all leave stuff on your
computer.Â* It is best to start fresh

As an example I recently discovered that Firefox bookmarks are backed
up automatically and I had dozen of backup when I learned of them.


Where are the Firefox bookmarks backups stored?

Ed
C:\Users\UserID\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\Firefox\Pr ofiles\ez8rogjb.default\bookmarkbackups


After you have deleted most of the backup, go into about:config and
change browser.bookmarks.max_backups to some thing reasonable.



Mine contains 15 generations, but occupying less than 1 MB.
I have many, many more culprits of space-wasting on my system; and I let
them lie.
Why? Because computers today are vastly different from Win95 ones;
wherein space was paramount, RAM was expensive, the registry was more
open to corruption, and a regular re-installation of Windows was
recommended.

If you ever want to campaign against redundancy in our beloved OS, then
you'll have to look deeper and further than such minor infringements to
get to a worthwhile level.

This Win7 system I'm writing from is 7 years old, and I've never done a
re-install; never had to. I have restored from system images, though.

I feel no need for a re-install. It wouldn't add a fraction of a percent
improvement, but would just give me a lot of time-consuming work.

Ed

On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 07:01:26 -0500, Keith Nuttle
wrote in

If there is any age difference between the same model machine, there is
the possibility that it has diffferent versions drivers, and software
even though the title is the same.

+1
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On 02/22/2018 08:47 AM, CRNG wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 07:01:26 -0500, Keith Nuttle
wrote in

If there is any age difference between the same model machine, there is
the possibility that it has diffferent versions drivers, and software
even though the title is the same.

+1
+2 There's Nothing like a clean install. It's only once, I'd take the
time to do it right the first time.

On 22/02/2018 10:48, wrote:
So my question is: In order
to set up the new laptop, can I simply put an image or clone of mine
onto it and then uninstall/delete any stuff she doesn't want or do I
have to start from scratch.

No don't do it. Let your wife try to use Windows 10 because it is the
main Operating System these days. There is no point in buying something
you already had because life has to move on. New models of cars come
out and people don't just scrap it and put the old body work on it. Do
they? Let your wife use the new machine as it is. She must be younger
than you and very likely to be intelligent than you. The only mistake
she made is to marry an idiot like you.

Please excuse me if this is a silly question as I am a septuagenarian!
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Yes it is a silly question and don't ask ever again such questions
here. You can ask on Linux NG but Windows users are generally
brighter and intelligent than Linux junkies.



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There you go. You are also spamming these newsgroups with your Avast
link. Hasn't anyone taught you how to remove it so that it doesn't spam
any newsgroups. Avast is a bogus organisation. They don't even know
how to create a signature. Look they have three dashes ( - - - ) so
that their spam becomes a sore to the naked eye.


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"Good Guy" wrote in message
news On 22/02/2018 10:48, wrote:

So my question is: In order to set up the new laptop, can I simply put
an image or clone of mine onto it and then uninstall/delete any stuff
she doesn't want or do I have to start from scratch.


No don't do it. Let your wife try to use Windows 10 because it is the
main Operating System these days. There is no point in buying something
you already had because life has to move on. New models of cars come out
and people don't just scrap it and put the old body work on it. Do they?
Let your wife use the new machine as it is. She must be younger than you
and very likely to be intelligent than you. The only mistake she made is
to marry an idiot like you.

I can understand people wanting to stick with the UI that they know and like
and has *evolved* from Win 95 via 98, XP, Vista to Win7. The change to Win
10 is huge if you stick with the "mess of tiles" desktop and the cut-down
star menu that was added grudgingly to Win 10.

If MS want to introduce a new UI - or a new *anything* for that matter - it
should be alongside the legacy UI. They should only ever ever *add* new
functionality, never *remove* old functionality.

To use your car analogy, most people can switch from one car to another
fairly easily, because the controls are in roughly the same place. Now try
switching to a car where the (manual) gears are laid out in a different
order, the pedals are in a different order, you steer by joystick or
aircraft-style yoke instead of steering wheel. That is the degree of change
(as I see it) in going from Win 7 to Win 8 or 10. You can adjust, given
time, but it involves a lot of un-learning of the old way which has become
instinctive so as to learn the new way of doing things.

I would say that Win 10 is perfectly usable, as long as you install Classic
Shell to give you back the start menu and the ability to paste shortcuts for
commonly-used programs onto the desktop in fix positions, rather than having
tiles which change position day by day and which are not distinctive enough
from each other because they are monochrome (all-red, all-blue etc).


Incidentally, the main reason why you can't clone a disk image from one PC
to another is that the hardware will be different so different drivers will
be needed. If you try to boot with the "wrong" image, the PC will almost
certainly crash during booting because it will assume (for example) a Brand
X graphics card and find a Brand Y one instead. The only way to get round
this is to "sysprep" the image as you are generating it on the old PC, so as
to take out the device-specific details and force Windows to re-detect the
hardware and hopefully find built-in drivers that are good enough to allow
you to boot and then install the correct vendor-specific drivers. Been
there, done that, failed the test! I had to devise a system at work for
allowing end-user PCs to be restored back to a factory state (using a Norton
Ghost image) and then have 3rd party software reinstalled within a couple of
hours. The stumbling block was to keep the number of images as few as
possible and to include all the drivers which might be encountered when the
PC (which may be one of various models with different hardware) does its
initial hardware detection. Frustratingly, I was criticised for failing to
come up with a viable solution, but when the work was passed over to someone
else, a lot of the restrictions that I'd had to comply with were removed so
he solved the easier task without any problem - and that was used as grounds
for selecting me for redundancy :-( Lord preserve us from crap managers
who don't have the technical knowledge to understand the problems I'm having
and judge only on results.

On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 12:39:28 +0000, Good Guy
wrote:

On 22/02/2018 10:48, wrote:
So my question is: In order
to set up the new laptop, can I simply put an image or clone of mine
onto it and then uninstall/delete any stuff she doesn't want or do I
have to start from scratch.

No don't do it. Let your wife try to use Windows 10 because it is the
main Operating System these days. There is no point in buying something
you already had because life has to move on. New models of cars come
out and people don't just scrap it and put the old body work on it. Do
they? Let your wife use the new machine as it is. She must be younger
than you and very likely to be intelligent than you. The only mistake
she made is to marry an idiot like you.

Here we go again ... Good Guy the big mouth with nothing useful to
say!


Please excuse me if this is a silly question as I am a septuagenarian!
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Yes it is a silly question and don't ask ever again such questions
here. You can ask on Linux NG but Windows users are generally
brighter and intelligent than Linux junkies.

Who are you ... the posting police. You have NO RIGHT to tell anyone
not to ask questions here again, it's NOT YOUR NEWSGROUP.




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There you go. You are also spamming these newsgroups with your Avast
link. Hasn't anyone taught you how to remove it so that it doesn't spam
any newsgroups. Avast is a bogus organisation. They don't even know
how to create a signature. Look they have three dashes ( - - - ) so
that their spam becomes a sore to the naked eye.

You can't talk about spam. You Spam this NG all the time with your
crap LOL

On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 00:13:11 +1030, Gary Dingle
wrote:

On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 12:39:28 +0000, Good Guy
wrote:

On 22/02/2018 10:48, wrote:
So my question is: In order
to set up the new laptop, can I simply put an image or clone of mine
onto it and then uninstall/delete any stuff she doesn't want or do I
have to start from scratch.

No don't do it. Let your wife try to use Windows 10 because it is the
main Operating System these days. There is no point in buying something
you already had because life has to move on. New models of cars come
out and people don't just scrap it and put the old body work on it. Do
they? Let your wife use the new machine as it is. She must be younger
than you and very likely to be intelligent than you. The only mistake
she made is to marry an idiot like you.

Here we go again ... Good Guy the big mouth with nothing useful to
say!


PDFTT

On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 12:39:28 +0000, Good Guy wrote:

On 22/02/2018 10:48, wrote:
So my question is: In order to set up the new laptop, can I simply put
an image or clone of mine onto it and then uninstall/delete any stuff
she doesn't want or do I have to start from scratch.

No don't do it. Let your wife try to use Windows 10 because it is the
main Operating System these days. There is no point in buying something
you already had because life has to move on. New models of cars come
out and people don't just scrap it and put the old body work on it. Do
they? Let your wife use the new machine as it is. She must be younger
than you and very likely to be intelligent than you. The only mistake
she made is to marry an idiot like you.

Please excuse me if this is a silly question as I am a septuagenarian!
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Yes it is a silly question and don't ask ever again such questions here.
You can ask on Linux NG but Windows users are generally brighter and
intelligent than Linux junkies.

Well you've just proven that not all windows users are particularly
bright. Come to think of it, every post you make re-affirms the point,
why you can't even stop posting in html code or whatever it is you are
doing.
Go away and don't come back.