Windows 10: Good choice!

On Sat, 18 Jul 2015 17:24:39 -0400, Paul wrote:

My copy won't be going online again, until
I find a recipe for making an ISO from the
10240 update files.

Paul,

There is a recipe here that you might like to try:


http://www.zdnet.com/article/how-to-...e-into-an-iso/

Monty wrote:
On Sat, 18 Jul 2015 17:24:39 -0400, Paul wrote:
My copy won't be going online again, until
I find a recipe for making an ISO from the
10240 update files.

Paul,

There is a recipe here that you might like to try:


http://www.zdnet.com/article/how-to-...e-into-an-iso/


At least I've got lots of choices now.

It'll cost me 4 hours to get my ESD (slow internet).

Paul

On Sat, 18 Jul 2015 17:24:39 -0400, Paul wrote:

Slimer wrote:

I won't be able to confirm until the new release is installed on July
29th. However, from what I've seen, it doesn't operate too differently.
Obviously, there are new features for someone who never bothered with
Windows 8, but they shouldn't be too intimidating.


You should have been using the Preview,
so you'd be prepared. It would have given
you time to do some testing.

My copy won't be going online again, until
I find a recipe for making an ISO from the
10240 update files.

I used to preview Windows versions when Microsoft actually asked me
personally to do so. I had the privilege of beta-testing Vista and 7. As
of 8, it seemed they no longer needed anyone's help and preferred to take
the "public preview" approach so I lost interest in testing it for them,
especially since I knew that I wouldn't get rewarded with a free license
of the product as a result.

I'm actually looking forward to playing with it, I can only hope that they
didn't make security and privacy compromises which will cause me to lose
faith in the company.

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On 18/07/2015 11:24 pm, Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Sat, 18 Jul 2015 09:20:34 +0100, Bob Henson
wrote:

The problem is that Photoshop Elements, Pinnacle Studio, most games, and
hundreds of other programs that folk already use *don't* run on Linux.

The solution is that there are almost certainly other programs that do
the same things. You need to think about tasks rather than named
programs. For some of the commonest tasks, there are even versions of
the same programs for both systems, so if you change systems you can
carry on using what you're already accustomed to.

Rod.


That's just not the case. There is no good video editor for Linux. There
is nothing vaguely as good as Photoshop. There are no substitutes for
the popular big-selling games that people like so much. Almost all
specialist commercial software is written for Windows - and there is a
lot of it out there. Nearly all big enterprise users have Microsoft
Office. The list is endless.

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Bob Henson wrote:
On 18/07/2015 11:24 pm, Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Sat, 18 Jul 2015 09:20:34 +0100, Bob Henson
wrote:

The problem is that Photoshop Elements, Pinnacle Studio, most games, and
hundreds of other programs that folk already use *don't* run on Linux.
The solution is that there are almost certainly other programs that do
the same things. You need to think about tasks rather than named
programs. For some of the commonest tasks, there are even versions of
the same programs for both systems, so if you change systems you can
carry on using what you're already accustomed to.

Rod.


That's just not the case. There is no good video editor for Linux. There
is nothing vaguely as good as Photoshop. There are no substitutes for
the popular big-selling games that people like so much. Almost all
specialist commercial software is written for Windows - and there is a
lot of it out there. Nearly all big enterprise users have Microsoft
Office. The list is endless.


And strangely, your first two items are my first
two items! I have a Photoshop setup, with a plugin
for the scanner that does de-screen (does a nice job),
and I have a Photoshop macro-recorder setup which
takes a scan off the scanner, and does thresholding,
noise reduction, and a bunch of other steps, and
the whole thing is just one click per sheet of
paper fed into the scanner. The scanner itself
is the slow part, because it's an old scanner.

Now, let's try Linux. XSane "supports" my SCSI scanner.
I try it out. It doesn't work. And when I exit whatever
program I was using to try to scan, the scanner driver
was still pushing the scanning head around. Even though
nothing would be there to get the output. It seems the
scanner driver, doesn't know that the first step on that
scanner, is scanning the calibration strip along the
top of the scanner, followed by scanning the whole deck.
It seemed to be missing the calibration step, and it
was off in the weeds somewhere.

Linux is fun to play with, but it's not ready for
prime time. A few things almost look like they're
ready for prime time. LibreOffice has the "framework"
of a solution. But the "guts" or "implementation" are
sorely lacking. Virtually every quality test I've
tried has failed. When I fed it a csv flavor input
for a spreadsheet, one where I suspected the file
was too big, instead of stopping when it hit the
last cell it could handle... it crashed.

The reason I don't want to write up an endless stream
of these, is it's pointless. It gets old after a while.
That's why I just tell people to go and try the
stuff for themselves. And they can make their own
complaint list.

I've tried a few of the video editors. I'm not
trying any more.

Paul

On Sun, 19 Jul 2015 09:31:41 +0100, Bob Henson
wrote:

Almost all
specialist commercial software is written for Windows - and there is a
lot of it out there. Nearly all big enterprise users have Microsoft
Office. The list is endless.

People who buy commercial software are usually not spending their own
money. I'm sure that must have some effect on their choices. Judging
the value of something on the basis of its preponderance in the
commercial sector, rather than on its own qualities, may not mean very
much.

Rod.

On Sun, 19 Jul 2015 04:31:41 -0400, Bob Henson wrote:

On 18/07/2015 11:24 pm, Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Sat, 18 Jul 2015 09:20:34 +0100, Bob Henson
wrote:

The problem is that Photoshop Elements, Pinnacle Studio, most games,
and
hundreds of other programs that folk already use *don't* run on Linux.

On Sun, 19 Jul 2015 10:17:03 -0400, Slimer wrote:

My school board has actually tried to get teachers and other staff to use
LibreOffice. After all, none of us are technological gurus doing anything
overly complicated on a computer of an office suite so LibreOffice should
be more than enough, right? You can't imagine the number of people who
made requests to have a Microsoft Office license installed because of how
awful they considered the free software suite to be. I didn't mind it, I
still don't, but other people are a lot less tolerant.

When I was at school (long before personal computers were invented)
and they taught me things like reading and writing and doing sums,
they didn't just teach me how to do these things with reference to one
publisher's books, or one manufacturer's writing equipment. They
taught me the general principles in the hope that I could apply them
to many situations not specifically covered in the exact detail of the
lessons. Teaching people about computing with the use of software from
only one source is dangerously small-minded and not a useful
preparation for the real world. Teachers really ought to know this.

Rod.

On Mon, 20 Jul 2015 03:40:11 -0400, Roderick Stewart
wrote:

On Sun, 19 Jul 2015 10:17:03 -0400, Slimer wrote:

My school board has actually tried to get teachers and other staff to
use
LibreOffice. After all, none of us are technological gurus doing
anything
overly complicated on a computer of an office suite so LibreOffice
should
be more than enough, right? You can't imagine the number of people who
made requests to have a Microsoft Office license installed because of
how
awful they considered the free software suite to be. I didn't mind it, I
still don't, but other people are a lot less tolerant.

When I was at school (long before personal computers were invented)
and they taught me things like reading and writing and doing sums,
they didn't just teach me how to do these things with reference to one
publisher's books, or one manufacturer's writing equipment. They
taught me the general principles in the hope that I could apply them
to many situations not specifically covered in the exact detail of the
lessons. Teaching people about computing with the use of software from
only one source is dangerously small-minded and not a useful
preparation for the real world. Teachers really ought to know this.

The software is for the teachers, not the students.


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Linux imbecile Peter "der Klöwn" Köhlmann
https://plus.google.com/109168722444410572286 makes statement about
Youtube comments http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/block-youtube-comments
in what has proven to be the dumbest statement in the history of USENET.
Further proof that Linux causes the brain to prematurely rot.

On Fri, 17 Jul 2015 16:37:24 -0500, Johnny wrote:

[snip]

In my opinion Windows 10 is the beginning of the end for Microsoft.
Windows 7 was the best operating system they ever produced, and they
have been going downhill since.

s/Windows 10/Vista/
s/Windows 7/Windows XP/

Windows 7 broke a bunch of working code that I had been using for
years.

[snip]

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

On Mon, 20 Jul 2015 10:17:33 -0700, Gene Wirchenko
wrote in

On Fri, 17 Jul 2015 16:37:24 -0500, Johnny wrote:

[snip]

In my opinion Windows 10 is the beginning of the end for Microsoft.
Windows 7 was the best operating system they ever produced, and they
have been going downhill since.

s/Windows 10/Vista/
s/Windows 7/Windows XP/

Windows 7 broke a bunch of working code that I had been using for
years.

Every new version of Windows breaks some (or a lot) of old
applications. That's how M$ get's support and encouragement from the
application authors. New Windows breaks old apps thus requiring the
buying of new apps and hardware. The Apps authors love, the hardware
makers love it, M$ loves it and the user (who upgrades) pays the
bills...again.
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