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  #136  
Old March 20th 18, 12:38 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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In message , HB writes:

"Patrick" wrote in message
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Can you please take a photo of the label that is on the underside of the
Laptop, and then give us a link to said picture/s?



Please see here, to get the Serial-Number etc., of your machine;
https://support.toshiba.com/sscontent?contentId=4007069


That's the number the site I tried rejected. It's right on the back of the
Toshiba.

What was the site you tried it on?

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  #137  
Old March 20th 18, 07:11 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
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In message , HB writes:
Those I deleted by hand. They were strings of numbers and dates it made
them.


I can see that it might seem to you that the drive is doing
these things, but it's somewhat important that you understand the
difference.


Then software was doing it because a small popup would appear in the lower
right hand corner that would say, "Backup in progress."


It rather sounds as if SG came with software already on it that
automatically makes backups when you connect it - or at least copies
things, whether they are truly backups is arguable. I take it you never
connected it to the Toshiba laptop that has failed.


I never thought to and now it's wiped clean and doing a backup as I type
this. I did it manually as I don't have any info on this Seagate other than
what opens when I click on properties. When I clicked backup the Windows
backup opened and wanted to know where - I pointed it to the SG.


Did the instructions that came with SG tell you how to _use_ the "backups"
that it creates? If not, then it's rather pointless it creating them.


Exactly! I don't know how to use them. I can't recall what came with it as I
bought it some years ago. It's easy enough to get the folders and files
moved from it to the computer itself. But the backups with the string of
numbers/dates etc - no. I may be able to get that info online. I'll be
working with this tonight since this is the main computer we have with
everything on, that is except my wife's interior design and other personal
job related software. That PC is off limits to everyone.

It is _possible_ that this software is something like Macrium, and it _is_
actually creating images. (When you look at what is on it, do you see
single large files - many tens of GB each - with a name that looks
something like a date?) If this is the case, it definitely should have
come with instructions telling you how to restore from them - and probably
a CD that you boot from, or instructions on how to make one, if a machine
it has imaged fails to boot.


It says "Create A System Image" and "Create a Repair disc". But that's from
Windows not SG. The window says the "System Image" copies everything
including the OS and can be reinstalled. Of course it doesn't say how. It's
busy doing a backup right now so I'll get to it later, when it's finished. I
did download Macrium and hope to go over that tonight also.


I don't know what a "Manager" is. That may be the software I was talking
of.


I can't find "manager" tonight. Now where the heck was it.......... ?


How much of that is used?


On this Hewlett Packard W-7 computer, 117GBs are used.

[In effect, you'd be using it as the
"housing" which was my third option out of dock/"cable"/housing, means of
connecting a drive to USB.]


I just checked the Seagate. It appears to be a sealed unit. There are no
screws or tabs or slots to get the case off. It's 2 pieces probably
pressured together. I would have to use some kind of tool to force it open.


the HD from the Toshiba work like the Seagate if a USB cable can be
attached
to it? In that case it would show up under F: drive.


(I'm assuming this "Seagate" contains a 2.5" drive not a 3.5" one, but
even if it's a 3.5", the connectors will be the same.)


I think it's 1 TB also.


Wow, that was an expensive laptop!


She's wealthy and has no kids or grandkids. No one to spend it on but
herself. Everything she has is top of the line. Must be nice.

There are two types of number we're talking about here. There's the
Microsoft one, which looks like XXXXX-XXXXX-XXXXX-XXXXX-XXXXX, where the
Xs are letters and numbers, and the Toshiba's serial number(s).


I see it. It's called the MS product key. That has to be it.

...... The only way it would be a retail licence, which they
_would_ honour, would be if you'd bought Windows 7 separately from the
computer. (Even then not necessarily, it depends how you bought it. But I
suspect it's highly unlikely you'd have bought it that way anyway.)


She bought it somewere up in Atlanta GA were she lived back then.

I'm not sure where you'd use the Toshiba number(s): if you're very lucky,
it might be possible to download something from the Toshiba website using
them. I've no idea if Toshiba offer anything like that.


I can check.


  #138  
Old March 20th 18, 08:13 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"Patrick" wrote in message
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On 19/03/2018 05:33, HB wrote:
The above is a bit confusing. Both the DT and the Toshiba are W-7 Home-64
bit.


If the OperatingSystems are the same as you say above then you could make
a W7-64bit recovery disc on your working machine and then use it on the
(non-working) Toshiba.


I have two recovery discs from online. One from the MS site. I have the
recovery thumbdrive for THIS computer. The Toshiba gives the same "Read disk
error occured" to all of them. So they wont work. It will run Linux from a
DVD but doesn't install it.



To make above said RescueDisc see;

How to from Microsoft;
https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/...em-repair-disc


I would still need the installation disk it says on the site. I don't have
that for the Toshiba.


Or another place;
https://www.lifewire.com/how-to-crea...r-disc-2626301


I gives the "A disk read error occured" when I tried to use the System
Recovery disk for a different PC with the same OS. There is no recovery
disk made for the Toshiba. None exists so it's too late now. They have to be
made on the same computer that made them - apparently.

When you have created the RescueDisk you can reboot your Good Computer and
test that it works (Boots) from the CD (don't forget to watch for the
Prompt to "Press any key to boot from CD/DVD".

If the CD has Booted OK (first screen should be to select your Keyboard
which will most likely be US as default) on your good Computer then eject
the CD and shut down th Good PC.

Put the CD in the Toshiba and reboot (turn off and on), watch again for
the "Press any key to boot from CD/DVD" and press a key (eg, 'Enter').


I did that with the thumbdrive for this healthy computer and got the same "A
disk read error occurred" on the Toshiba. Apparently they have to be made
on the sick computer to work on it. It will run Linux from the DVD but that
was no help in getting into windows. The two rescue disks made from online
sources, one a MS site, give the same error.

I think only divine intervention will boot this Toshiba into windows. I'm
running out of things to try. I don't know enough to fix this myself. I'm
spinning my wheels.....


  #139  
Old March 20th 18, 08:33 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
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In message , HB writes:
OK, this is version Fatdog64-702 Dec 2016 as someone here recommended. It
saw and loaded Fatdog. Fatdog works - so what does this tell me about the
Toshiba and why it can't load Windows?


It tells you (or at least gives a good indication) that everything in the
Toshiba works, _except_, possibly, the hard drive. The hard drive is where
Windows is, or at least was.


Distinct possibility at this point because it ran Linux fine from the DVD.

The _hope_ is that the hard drive works, but has just had some corruption
which we may be able to fix (either using the Linux boot disc you have
made, or, as I have learnt from this thread, a Macrium 7 boot disc).


According to the site it may use Macrium Linux or Vista. Toshiba is W-7.
Do I download Rescue software there to make yet another boot disk - this
time from Macrium? Does it have to be burnt as an OSI file? We know Linux
will run from a DVD but there is no way to get to windows from there. It's a
dead end. How do I get to windows through Lenux on a DVD?

If the hard drive _is_ actually faulty, that's no reason to discard the
PC - you'd just buy it a new hard drive, and install an operating system
on that. The rest of the laptop seems to be working - processor, memory,
CD/DVD drive, display, keyboard, probably USB sockets, ethernet port, and
wifi - and people are telling me it's a relatively new laptop. The Windows
you'd install we _might_ be able to help you to get working without having
to buy it (since you'd already bought it when you bought the laptop),
though I think that might be hard work, or could be a new Windows 7 (if we
can help you find one - they're scarce now), or a new Windows 10. Or of
course you could install a Linux instead - most of them are free.


It can run Linux from the DVD but one look at it and I don't care for it.
Also, the kid's games are not likely to work on Linux.


--

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  #140  
Old March 20th 18, 08:59 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"Paul" wrote in message
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HB wrote:
OK, this is version Fatdog64-702 Dec 2016 as someone here recommended.


Here's the picture I provided, of what I wanted
you to do while you where there.


In a Terminal, smartctl -a /dev/sda


https://s13.postimg.org/cvoc2v64n/Fatdog64.gif


What and where is this to be found? What was I to do with it? It loaded
Linux from the DVD. There was nothing like that on the screen. Was there
supposed to be? Or how do I bring up that screen for that information? I
don't know what "Terminal, smartctl -a /dev/sda" is or what it means.

Then check your Reallocated raw data, to see if it's
still zero.


There is nothing like that to be seen. It says FATDOG in the center of the
screen with the few icons along the left hand side and bottom. I'm looking
at it now. It's running in RAM, not from the HD.


That's about all I can do from Fatdog64 I think.

A Reallocated raw data value of zero is not
a guarantee of good disk health, but it's one
of the indicators to be checked.


We can't even use that because that info is not there and I don't know how
or where to find it.

A benchmark curve helps indicate certain kinds
of illness in hard drives (wearout pattern, without
impacting reallocated indicator).
While there is a "disks" command in some of the
Linux distros (gnome-disks or gnome-disk-utility package),
it isn't available in Fatdog64, and it wasn't in "packages".

https://s13.postimg.org/ter8nfx8n/gn...-benchmark.gif

By comparison, here is (windows) HDTune for the same disk.

https://s13.postimg.org/wgmmaquhz/hdtune_500.gif


What does this have to do with Linux? This looks like a simpler OS than
Windows. There are no graphs like these. I didn't see anything like there
while it was loading. I don't understand.....

The steady declining curve, with the lack of wide
downward spikes, means the drive is looking reasonably
healthy.


Where are they in Linux
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Microsoft motto "If it ain't broke keep fixing it till it is."?


Paul



  #141  
Old March 20th 18, 09:11 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
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In message , HB writes:

"Java Jive" wrote in message
I suppose I should've asked HB also to try typing:
lilo --helpEnter


In Linux I see nowhere to type anything. Linux can only run with the DVD
in
the drive. When I removed the DVD, no more Linux. what does this tell
us?


There _is_ somewhere to type things - you just have to bring it up. It's
like the Command Prompt in Windows - not obvious from the desktop. (I
think it's called "terminal" in Linux.) One of the Linux guys who knows
fatdog will have to tell you how to bring it up.


All I know so far is Fatdog will run in RAM from the DVD. It doesn't install
on the HD. I have no idea where to find a command prompt or what it's called
in Linux. Or a "run" window. I know zero about the system.

Once we are at that prompt, we should be able to type things which might
tell us if the hard drive appears to be there (i. e. are its electronics
saying "I'm a hard drive"), and then whether we can actually access it,
and then whether we can fix the corrupted files/partitions/whatever, *if*
that's all that's wrong with it.


All through Linux? I would have to know the commands to type in if I can
find anything like a command prompt.

.. But all these are things a
Linux person would have to tell you; that's why, if _I_ am going to help
you, it'd have to be by accessing the drive down a USB cable from a
(working) Windows computer.
went and hanged himself (Matthew 27:5). Go, and do thou likewise (Luke
10:37)."


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believed in. Some of us just go one god further.


  #142  
Old March 20th 18, 12:14 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Java Jive wrote:
This is the relevant excerpt that tells me that Linux fails to load, and
tried to abort to a command shell, which may or may not have ended up
being a functional command shell:


Later he got fatdog to boot:

http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=152154418300
From: "HB"
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 02:41:13 -0400
Message-ID:

I downloaded this version of Fatdog64-702 Dec 2016 (as someone here
recommended). It saw and loaded Fatdog. Fatdog works - so what does this
tell me about the Toshiba and why it can't load Windows? It seems to work
fine on the Toshiba but I would like to run Windows on this PC.... where do
I go from here?




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  #143  
Old March 20th 18, 12:34 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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HB wrote:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
...
In message , HB writes:
"Java Jive" wrote in message
I suppose I should've asked HB also to try typing:
lilo --helpEnter


In Linux I see nowhere to type anything. Linux can only run with the DVD
in
the drive. When I removed the DVD, no more Linux. what does this tell
us?


There _is_ somewhere to type things - you just have to bring it up. It's
like the Command Prompt in Windows - not obvious from the desktop. (I
think it's called "terminal" in Linux.) One of the Linux guys who knows
fatdog will have to tell you how to bring it up.


All I know so far is Fatdog will run in RAM from the DVD. It doesn't install
on the HD. I have no idea where to find a command prompt or what it's called
in Linux. Or a "run" window. I know zero about the system.


I showed a picture. I put the word "Terminal" in it, and
a red arrow. That's how you get to the command line,
similar to using Command Prompt.

Fatdog64 doesn't have a lot in it.

However, using the terminal, I discovered a smartctl
command to read out the SMART Health info of the hard drive.

In addition, I discovered the ddrescue package is available
in the Package Manager on Fatdog64, and it will download ddrescue.
By running ddrescue, it's possible to "read scan" the disk drive,
and determine whether any sectors show actual CRC errors. If the
hard drive is not healthy, and cannot be scanned from
end to end, that gives a possible justification for
seeing "disk read error" when booting Windows.

*******

Windows disk read errors can be caused by a hardware problem.
That's pretty straight forward.

There can also be software reasons for having a disk read error.
Maybe if winload.exe is missing or something. Sometimes the
STOP code on the screen, gives a hint as to what the root cause
might be, and you can use the AUMHA Stop table for decoding
the error.

http://aumha.org/a/stop.htm

Paul
  #144  
Old March 20th 18, 12:43 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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HB wrote:
I downloaded this version of Fatdog64-702 Dec 2016 (as someone here
recommended). It saw and loaded Fatdog. Fatdog works - so what does this
tell me about the Toshiba and why it can't load Windows? It seems to work
fine on the Toshiba but I would like to run Windows on this PC.... where do
I go from here?


Fatdog's desktop shows icons for the drives in the lower left. Your C:
drive is called such as sda1 and sda2.

I booted a slightly newer fatdog. It has a disk integrity function in
the context menu you get when you R click your sda1 - Check integrity.

If people want you to run a command from a console or terminal emulator,
there is a launcher for one on the bottom panel or task bar to the R of
the Menu button (like a Start button).

My fatdog panel has Menu, 1, 2, (for desktop1 & desktop2), Web browser,
terminal, File manager, Control panel, Show desktop. Each of those has
a 'tool tip' annunciator to tell what they are when the cursor is poised
on the icon.


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  #145  
Old March 20th 18, 02:41 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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HB wrote:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
...
In message , HB writes:
"Java Jive" wrote in message
I suppose I should've asked HB also to try typing:
lilo --helpEnter


In Linux I see nowhere to type anything. Linux can only run with the DVD
in
the drive. When I removed the DVD, no more Linux. what does this tell
us?


There _is_ somewhere to type things - you just have to bring it up. It's
like the Command Prompt in Windows - not obvious from the desktop. (I
think it's called "terminal" in Linux.) One of the Linux guys who knows
fatdog will have to tell you how to bring it up.


All I know so far is Fatdog will run in RAM from the DVD. It doesn't install
on the HD. I have no idea where to find a command prompt or what it's called
in Linux. Or a "run" window. I know zero about the system.

Once we are at that prompt, we should be able to type things which might
tell us if the hard drive appears to be there (i. e. are its electronics
saying "I'm a hard drive"), and then whether we can actually access it,
and then whether we can fix the corrupted files/partitions/whatever, *if*
that's all that's wrong with it.


All through Linux? I would have to know the commands to type in if I can
find anything like a command prompt.

. But all these are things a
Linux person would have to tell you; that's why, if _I_ am going to help
you, it'd have to be by accessing the drive down a USB cable from a
(working) Windows computer.
went and hanged himself (Matthew 27:5). Go, and do thou likewise (Luke
10:37)."



With regard to the Heidoc guy, he is working on getting us Windows 7
download links with his URL generator.

https://www.wincert.net/forum/index....notifications/

"Posted March 13

As for version 6.00 (first step to getting Win 7 back), I have a working
prototype now.

All that remains to be done is throttling the generation of download links
so that MS won't block the keys. The new version should be out soon.
"

When he is ready, the update will be posted on his site.

https://www.heidoc.net/joomla/techno...-download-tool

Download: Windows ISO Downloader.exe === Around 3.5MB in size or so
Version: 5.29 === New version to be 6.xx when it arrives
Release Date: 27 December 2017 === Sometime in March 2018 perhaps
Requirements: Windows 7 or newer, .NET Framework 4.x, Internet Explorer 8 or newer.

What the tool does, is you select what you want to download, and
there are two "Copy to clipboard" buttons. One for the 32 bit version.
One for the 64 bit version. You click the button, open Notepad and
Paste the URL into notepad, for the version in question.

What you should notice about the links, is they have a Microsoft URL
or a Microsoft CDN (content distribution network) URL. They are
genuine links, with the links being valid for 24 hours, just
like a TechBench download would be.

Next, you copy the link of the thing you want, into a browser
and start downloading.

A Win7 SP1 Home Premium x64 would be around 3.5GB
A Win7 SP1 Home Premium x86 would be around 2.5GB

You could drive to the Public Library with a USB stick,
with the text file with the two links in it, and download
the 3.5GB file at the Library.

With your limited 8GB/mo cap on Internet, these represent
a significant chunk of your limit.

When downloading DVDs, you want to download the same version
as is on the hard drive.

*******

So what's on the hard drive. A guy here shows us.

https://blog.skullsecurity.org/2010/...ersion-offline

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/Microsoft/Windows NT/CurrentVersion
CSDVersion Service Pack 1
CurrentVersion 6.1 Vista=6.0, Win7=6.1, Win8=6.2, Win10=10.0
Product Name Windows 7 Home Premium

You can get this information, using the Registry Editor in
the Kaspersky Rescue Disc.

https://support.kaspersky.com/8092#block2

2. Download the iso image of Kaspersky Rescue Disk 10 and a special utility

http://rescuedisk.kaspersky-labs.com..._rescue_10.iso

(The last one I downloaded, seemed to be corrupted. 337,133,568 bytes)

Anyway, using my last known good one, we can take a stab at it with
an archived copy like this. I don't really think archive.org had this
in mind, but if they archive these things, they have to expect people
to download them. Most of the time, archive.org gives a "Gateway 500"
error, which is how I wasn't able to get some DigitalRiver Windows 7 images
off the archive.org site :-)

https://web.archive.org/web/20170702..._rescue_10.iso

Anyway, that one is downloading now. 324,018,176 bytes.

Here, I'm using the Kaspersky Registry Editor to check the version in C: partition.

https://s10.postimg.org/w8fdxrzs9/Ka...ws_Version.gif

If Heidoc ever gets Ver.6 of their tool ready for release, I know what
version I will want to snag, for reinstall etc. Because I checked the
registry file, using an "offline" tool.

The license key is also in that block of registry entries. The
key is "encoded". Rather than just storing 25 ASCII characters like
a normal person, they have a scheme for shortening the storage space
used. Someone on the Internet has figured out the method, and a decoder
is available for that too. Of course, all the license key pluckers,
also have a copy of that decoder. The only reason you'd want your
own decoder, is for "offline" situations where Belarc or
MagicJellyBean cannot run.

The factory key is generic, and would be the same on all Toshiba hard
drives. However, the COA sticker license key on the Win7 Toshiba, is
a unique key. In an emergency, you can use a Retail DVD to install
Windows 7 onto the hard drive, using the COA license key. Unfortunately,
Microsoft has seen fit to not give us media to do that. Which is
why this procedure (waiting for Heidoc) has become so ridiculous.

I have all the media I need here. A copy of Home Premium.
A copy of Pro for the newer machine. But we live in "hard times"
now, where the generous sources are closed. You could go to
Best Buy and ask about media, but of course the dude will
say "for $200, let me install it for you". Which, again,
is ridiculous. This is labor you can easily do yourself.
Even if it is, "hard labor" :-)

Paul
  #146  
Old March 20th 18, 05:43 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Tue, 20 Mar 2018 09:41:18 -0400, Paul wrote:

With regard to the Heidoc guy, he is working on getting us Windows 7
download links with his URL generator.

https://www.wincert.net/forum/index....notifications/

"Posted March 13

As for version 6.00 (first step to getting Win 7 back), I have a working
prototype now.

All that remains to be done is throttling the generation of download links
so that MS won't block the keys. The new version should be out soon.
"

When he is ready, the update will be posted on his site.

https://www.heidoc.net/joomla/techno...-download-tool

Download: Windows ISO Downloader.exe === Around 3.5MB in size or so
Version: 5.29 === New version to be 6.xx when it arrives
Release Date: 27 December 2017 === Sometime in March 2018 perhaps
Requirements: Windows 7 or newer, .NET Framework 4.x, Internet Explorer 8 or newer.

What the tool does, is you select what you want to download, and
there are two "Copy to clipboard" buttons. One for the 32 bit version.
One for the 64 bit version. You click the button, open Notepad and
Paste the URL into notepad, for the version in question.

What you should notice about the links, is they have a Microsoft URL
or a Microsoft CDN (content distribution network) URL. They are
genuine links, with the links being valid for 24 hours, just
like a TechBench download would be.

Next, you copy the link of the thing you want, into a browser
and start downloading.


I would simply like to point out that copying the link and taking it to
a browser is optional. That was a good tip back in the beginning of the
Heidoc period, when we weren't sure what it was generating, but it's no
longer necessary.

After all, the Heidoc executable is called "Windows ISO Downloader", so
hopefully it's obvious to everyone that it can handle the download
natively. Simply click one of the big blue Download buttons.

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Old March 20th 18, 06:03 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On 20/03/2018 07:59, HB wrote:
There is nothing like that to be seen. It says FATDOG in the center of the
screen with the few icons along the left hand side and bottom. I'm looking
at it now. It's running in RAM, not from the HD.

The Icons along the bottom, do you not see the Icon that looks like '_'
and is pointed to by an arrow drawn by Paul that says 'Terminal'? if you
do then click-it.
  #148  
Old March 20th 18, 06:21 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On 20/03/2018 08:11, HB wrote:
All through Linux? I would have to know the commands to type in if I can
find anything like a command prompt.


It is not being suggested that you use Linux permanently but just use
Linux to be able to see if the Hard-Drive (and its W7 files) can be seen.

Pauls's requirement is that you click the Icon on the bottom that has
the symbol that looks like '_', then to type (in the Window that
pops-up the command-text that Paul gave/showed you, said done the window
should look like in the picture.

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Old March 20th 18, 07:35 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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In message , HB writes:
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I never thought to and now it's wiped clean and doing a backup as I type


What's doing a "backup"?

this. I did it manually as I don't have any info on this Seagate other than
what opens when I click on properties. When I clicked backup the Windows
backup opened and wanted to know where - I pointed it to the SG.

So it's probably "the Windows backup" that's doing - something.
[]
It is _possible_ that this software is something like Macrium, and it _is_
actually creating images. (When you look at what is on it, do you see
single large files - many tens of GB each - with a name that looks
something like a date?) If this is the case, it definitely should have
come with instructions telling you how to restore from them - and probably
a CD that you boot from, or instructions on how to make one, if a machine
it has imaged fails to boot.


It says


What says?

"Create A System Image" and "Create a Repair disc". But that's from
Windows not SG. The window says the "System Image" copies everything
including the OS and can be reinstalled. Of course it doesn't say how. It's


Yes, there is some sort of backup facility built into Windows itself;
I'd forgotten about that. However, to reinstall from the image it makes,
you need to be able to boot _something_ if Windows won't boot. It's a
while since I looked at Windows' own imaging system, but I _think_ you
need to both "Create A System Image" (which I presume it does on an
external HD, or a tediously large number of DVDs), AND "Create a Repair
Disc" (which I presume is a DVD), then if the system falls over, you
boot from the Repair Disc, and use that to restore the Image from
wherever you've put it - either to the existing HD if it's just been
corrupted, or to a new HD if the existing one has failed. In other
words, the same idea as Macrium, but Macrium makes it much easier (I
think the Windows one might be a command-mode thing).

busy doing a backup right now so I'll get to it later, when it's finished. I
did download Macrium and hope to go over that tonight also.


I don't know what a "Manager" is. That may be the software I was talking
of.


I can't find "manager" tonight. Now where the heck was it.......... ?

I think it was on the Seagate, and was lost when you formatted it. I
don't think it's a great loss: from what I saw of its instructions, it
only made "backups" of (some of) the data files, not a usable image of
the OS.

How much of that is used?


On this Hewlett Packard W-7 computer, 117GBs are used.


OK, so on your external 500G Seagate, you could make three images of
that (using Macrium - I don't know about the basic Windows method), or
one or two plus one or two of the Toshiba, assuming we ever get that
back working again.

[In effect, you'd be using it as the
"housing" which was my third option out of dock/"cable"/housing, means of
connecting a drive to USB.]


I just checked the Seagate. It appears to be a sealed unit. There are no
screws or tabs or slots to get the case off. It's 2 pieces probably
pressured together. I would have to use some kind of tool to force it open.

OK. In that case, the only way we're going to be able to access the
drive from the Toshiba laptop is EITHER in the laptop, using something
(Linux, Macrium, whatever) that we've booted from the laptop's optical
drive, OR by you _buying_ a dock, "cable", or housing, e. g. from one of
the links I gave you (or finding something similar on Amazon). Go on,
buy one of them; they're cheap enough, and always useful. It's possible
you're going to need to buy the laptop a replacement HD anyway, so you
could combine the orders.
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I think it's 1 TB also.


Wow, that was an expensive laptop!


She's wealthy and has no kids or grandkids. No one to spend it on but
herself. Everything she has is top of the line. Must be nice.


Ah, I thought it was yours, since your daughter plays games on it.

There are two types of number we're talking about here. There's the
Microsoft one, which looks like XXXXX-XXXXX-XXXXX-XXXXX-XXXXX, where the
Xs are letters and numbers, and the Toshiba's serial number(s).


I see it. It's called the MS product key. That has to be it.

..... The only way it would be a retail licence, which they
_would_ honour, would be if you'd bought Windows 7 separately from the
computer. (Even then not necessarily, it depends how you bought it. But I
suspect it's highly unlikely you'd have bought it that way anyway.)


She bought it somewere up in Atlanta GA were she lived back then.


By "it", I presume you mean the computer, rather than a separate box
labelled "Windows 7" with a CD or two in it. In other words, the Windows
was bought as part of the computer, already pre-installed.

I'm not sure where you'd use the Toshiba number(s): if you're very lucky,
it might be possible to download something from the Toshiba website using
them. I've no idea if Toshiba offer anything like that.


I can check.

Any luck?

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Old March 20th 18, 07:41 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Paul[_32_]
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Char Jackson wrote:
On Tue, 20 Mar 2018 09:41:18 -0400, Paul wrote:

With regard to the Heidoc guy, he is working on getting us Windows 7
download links with his URL generator.

https://www.wincert.net/forum/index....notifications/

"Posted March 13

As for version 6.00 (first step to getting Win 7 back), I have a working
prototype now.

All that remains to be done is throttling the generation of download links
so that MS won't block the keys. The new version should be out soon.
"

When he is ready, the update will be posted on his site.

https://www.heidoc.net/joomla/techno...-download-tool

Download: Windows ISO Downloader.exe === Around 3.5MB in size or so
Version: 5.29 === New version to be 6.xx when it arrives
Release Date: 27 December 2017 === Sometime in March 2018 perhaps
Requirements: Windows 7 or newer, .NET Framework 4.x, Internet Explorer 8 or newer.

What the tool does, is you select what you want to download, and
there are two "Copy to clipboard" buttons. One for the 32 bit version.
One for the 64 bit version. You click the button, open Notepad and
Paste the URL into notepad, for the version in question.

What you should notice about the links, is they have a Microsoft URL
or a Microsoft CDN (content distribution network) URL. They are
genuine links, with the links being valid for 24 hours, just
like a TechBench download would be.

Next, you copy the link of the thing you want, into a browser
and start downloading.


I would simply like to point out that copying the link and taking it to
a browser is optional. That was a good tip back in the beginning of the
Heidoc period, when we weren't sure what it was generating, but it's no
longer necessary.

After all, the Heidoc executable is called "Windows ISO Downloader", so
hopefully it's obvious to everyone that it can handle the download
natively. Simply click one of the big blue Download buttons.


Will you be running the built-in coin miner for an hour
while it downloads ?

Why do you think I'm training people to exit from that
thing, when the URL is generated ? I don't want to know
what the coin miner status is this week. AFAIK, the
coin miner would be stopped, if the tool is exited.
By copying the URL, and using another browser,
I'm hoping the tool gets closed sooner rather than later.

It's true, that your observation made sense, *before* the
coin miner was added. I've done a couple downloads that way.
The program uses an SDK with a prompt, so is considered
"above board". it doesn't hide what it is doing. But I
really don't want to waste time discussing the seedy side
of the thing. Copy the URL and get out of Dodge, is my advice.

Paul
 




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