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Why not Widows 10?
On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 08:39:46 +0100, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , ray carter writes: On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 12:50:56 -0700, masonc wrote: Please enumerate reasons for not getting Windows 10. Is not resistance futile? Why are we resisting? (I'm newly settled in windows7.) Resistance is hardly futile. I have not used an MS system for over 10 years. (OK, I'll feed So why are you still taking these newsgroups? Why does any troll infest any newsgroup? It gets off on being annoying. Now, what about the person who opened this thread by asking a question that's been answered about ten million times in this newsgroup alone? -- Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA http://BrownMath.com/ http://OakRoadSystems.com/ Shikata ga nai... |
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Why not Widows 10?
On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 08:39:46 +0100, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , ray carter writes: On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 12:50:56 -0700, masonc wrote: Please enumerate reasons for not getting Windows 10. Is not resistance futile? Why are we resisting? (I'm newly settled in windows7.) Resistance is hardly futile. I have not used an MS system for over 10 years. (OK, I'll feed So why are you still taking these newsgroups? Comic relief! |
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| Why does any troll infest any newsgroup? It gets off on being
| annoying. | | Now, what about the person who opened this thread by asking a | question that's been answered about ten million times in this | newsgroup alone? | And you've posted twice yourself, for no purpose other than your usual -- to be snide. A troll question might at least spark a useful conversation. Superiority attitudes and insults help no one. |
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Why not Widows 10?
On 24 Oct 2015, Steve Hayes wrote in
alt.windows7.general: 3) I'm not sure what features it has that makes it more desirable than Windows 7, and whether I desire those features at all. I have yet to hear a single advantage for me to upgrade to Windows 8 or 10 from Windows 7. If I bought a new computer, I could deal with Windows 8.1 pretty easily. Windows 10 is a no-go for me because of its embedded telemetry/spyware features and its lack of control over updates. I plan to avoid it for as long as I can, maybe forever. |
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Why not Widows 10?
In article , rednoise9
@REMOVETHIScomcast.net says... On 24 Oct 2015, Steve Hayes wrote in alt.windows7.general: 3) I'm not sure what features it has that makes it more desirable than Windows 7, and whether I desire those features at all. I have yet to hear a single advantage for me to upgrade to Windows 8 or 10 from Windows 7. If I bought a new computer, I could deal with Windows 8.1 pretty easily. Windows 10 is a no-go for me because of its embedded telemetry/spyware features and its lack of control over updates. I plan to avoid it for as long as I can, maybe forever. It's clear to me and has been since Win98 Beta days that MS essentially wants to move to a model that's basically rent the software with us paying for either some period of time or some number of uses. I will not support that hence no Windows past 8.1 will likely ever see this house. The big issue will be purchasing a new quality pc without it having Win10 already installed. Doubt in few years one will be able to phone Dell or walk into Staples (as examples) and buy a pc without any OS on it or some flavour of Linux if you so choose. |
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Why not Widows 10?
On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 14:05:27 -0400, Nil
wrote: On 24 Oct 2015, Steve Hayes wrote in alt.windows7.general: 3) I'm not sure what features it has that makes it more desirable than Windows 7, and whether I desire those features at all. I have yet to hear a single advantage for me to upgrade to Windows 8 or 10 from Windows 7. Aye, and that is why I am hoping that someone who has "upgraded" from Windows 7 to Windows 10 will tell is what advantages there are, if any. And also what disadvantages they have found, if any. -- Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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Dne 24.10.2015 v 20:05 Nil napsal(a):
On 24 Oct 2015, Steve Hayes wrote in alt.windows7.general: 3) I'm not sure what features it has that makes it more desirable than Windows 7, and whether I desire those features at all. Windows 10 is a no-go for me because of its embedded telemetry/spyware features and its lack of control over updates. I plan to avoid it for as long as I can, maybe forever. Try this analysis, is not in English but I am trying to link translation..... http://translate.google.com/translat...-komunikace%2F original version here http://www.root.cz/clanky/windows-10...ci-komunikace/ L. |
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Petr Laznovsky wrote:
Dne 24.10.2015 v 20:05 Nil napsal(a): On 24 Oct 2015, Steve Hayes wrote in alt.windows7.general: 3) I'm not sure what features it has that makes it more desirable than Windows 7, and whether I desire those features at all. Windows 10 is a no-go for me because of its embedded telemetry/spyware features and its lack of control over updates. I plan to avoid it for as long as I can, maybe forever. Try this analysis, is not in English but I am trying to link translation..... http://translate.google.com/translat...-komunikace%2F original version here http://www.root.cz/clanky/windows-10...ci-komunikace/ L. Is the product usable ? Is the company trustworthy ? These are the things that count. It is the philosophy of the approach we object to. A short baseline traffic analysis with an incomplete sampling is not going to change basic opinion on the topic. For example, how do you know that WinPCAP captured all the traffic ? What if the network stack was compromised, so some of the traffic was not captured by Wireshark at all ? You would need to include external packet tracing (done by a box outside the computer), correlate with Wireshark tracing, and making sure nothing "got lost". Your analysis techniques must be of the same quality as the techniques used for dealing with malware. Virtually any subsystem could be compromised. Why ? It's the philosophy of the product, that virtually any outrage is justifiable for capitalist gain. And some of us consider that a step too far. We're not riding in that clown car. Previously, we bought an OS, and it was ours to use, without observation or snooping. We could sit quietly in front of the computer, and not see the LEDs on the NIC interface flash at all. If we wanted to run a benchmark, we could run a benchmark without maintenance activity interfering with and polluting the results. We can't do that any more. I have a copy of Win10, but I can tell you I'm not sitting in front of it. I don't surf on it. I don't send email on it. On purpose, no microphone is connected. On purpose, no webcam is connected. Why ? Philosophy. We didn't agree to turn our desktops into smartphones. Nor clean up the mess using "43 toggle switches". What we got is not a traditional desktop OS. Paul |
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On Sun, 25 Oct 2015 05:55:33 +0200, Steve Hayes wrote:
On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 14:05:27 -0400, Nil wrote: [quoted text muted] than Windows 7, and whether I desire those features at all. I have yet to hear a single advantage for me to upgrade to Windows 8 or 10 from Windows 7. Aye, and that is why I am hoping that someone who has "upgraded" from Windows 7 to Windows 10 will tell is what advantages there are, if any. And also what disadvantages they have found, if any. Both of those things have been discussed here for months. -- Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA http://BrownMath.com/ http://OakRoadSystems.com/ Shikata ga nai... |
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Why not Widows 10?
Steve Hayes wrote:
On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 14:05:27 -0400, Nil wrote: On 24 Oct 2015, Steve Hayes wrote in alt.windows7.general: 3) I'm not sure what features it has that makes it more desirable than Windows 7, and whether I desire those features at all. I have yet to hear a single advantage for me to upgrade to Windows 8 or 10 from Windows 7. Aye, and that is why I am hoping that someone who has "upgraded" from Windows 7 to Windows 10 will tell is what advantages there are, if any. And also what disadvantages they have found, if any. Just for you, I did a benchmark. 7ZIP 9.38 Beta x64 Compress a 30GB file. Ultra, one thread per core. Same hardware for each test. Win7 SP1 27:04 minutes Win10 10565 27:44 minutes So Windows 10 was 40 seconds slower. About 2.5%. On a web site, they used the built-in benchmark function inside 7ZIP, and on Win10 it was 1.5% slower. So no advantage there. Paul |
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| We didn't agree to turn our desktops into smartphones.
Interesting phrase. I wonder how many people agreed to turn their computer phones into tracking collars in the first place. Phones are increasingly used as always-present, portable computers with really bad keyboards. But in the transition, control of the machine's operation and data has been lost. Last week I was reading about some 250 apps on iPhone that were collecting data and that Apple vowed to shut down. It's like thugs in Disneyland. People pay a bundle to Apple for lock-in and thoroughgoing surveillance malware, then don't have enough control of the device to even know their data is being collected by secondary, smalltime malware that doesn't pay Apple their cut. As you're pointing out, Win10 seems to have also crossed that boundary -- blocking control to such an extent that there's no dependable way to know exactly how much control has been lost. |
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Why not Widows 10?
| Try this analysis, is not in English but I am trying to link
translation..... | | http://translate.google.com/translat...-komunikace%2F | | original version here | | http://www.root.cz/clanky/windows-10...ci-komunikace/ | This was talked about awhile back. Here's an English analysis: http://www.helpsec.net/a-traffic-analysis-of-windows-10 I don't know who wrote the English article. I first came across it at localghost.org. It seems to now be gone from there, but I had saved it, so I did a search for a unique phrase: "autocorrect dictionary that benefits" That turned up numerous sites and online discussions that have reprinted the exact same analysis, word for word! Yet I haven't found who originally wrote it. Also, for those who don't want to enable javascript, the Czech text can be pasted here for translation: http://itools.com/language/translate |
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Why not Widows 10?
On Sun, 25 Oct 2015 08:28:02 -0400, Paul wrote:
Steve Hayes wrote: On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 14:05:27 -0400, Nil wrote: On 24 Oct 2015, Steve Hayes wrote in alt.windows7.general: 3) I'm not sure what features it has that makes it more desirable than Windows 7, and whether I desire those features at all. I have yet to hear a single advantage for me to upgrade to Windows 8 or 10 from Windows 7. Aye, and that is why I am hoping that someone who has "upgraded" from Windows 7 to Windows 10 will tell is what advantages there are, if any. And also what disadvantages they have found, if any. Just for you, I did a benchmark. 7ZIP 9.38 Beta x64 Compress a 30GB file. Ultra, one thread per core. Same hardware for each test. Win7 SP1 27:04 minutes Win10 10565 27:44 minutes So Windows 10 was 40 seconds slower. About 2.5%. On a web site, they used the built-in benchmark function inside 7ZIP, and on Win10 it was 1.5% slower. So no advantage there. So if there is no advantage to users, perhaps all the advantages are to Microsoft -- why else would the be offering it "free". Some have suggested that they want to turn it into subscriptionware, like Office 365. Would that mean that if you "upgrade" to it, on a certain day it will stop working, like ransomware, until you pay a ransom to Microsoft? -- Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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In message , Stan Brown
writes: On Sun, 25 Oct 2015 05:55:33 +0200, Steve Hayes wrote: On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 14:05:27 -0400, Nil wrote: [quoted text muted] than Windows 7, and whether I desire those features at all. I have yet to hear a single advantage for me to upgrade to Windows 8 or 10 from Windows 7. Aye, and that is why I am hoping that someone who has "upgraded" from Windows 7 to Windows 10 will tell is what advantages there are, if any. And also what disadvantages they have found, if any. Both of those things have been discussed here for months. Not in those specific clear terms - not in the 7 'group, anyway. I agree with Steve - a SIMPLE list of the advantages of 10, for the ordinary user, would be more than welcome. The main ones I've seen seem to be: o it's new/current, and thus will have better support going forward. I can't argue with that: I don't _like_ it, but most of that if I'm honest is just the usual reluctance to change. o it's better security-wise. (I'm not talking about the alleged spying etc. that is on by default; I mean against real malware.) I'm willing to accept that, for the average user, that might actually be true. o on _some_ hardware, it works more efficiently. (Equally on some, it works less well, or in a not insignificant percentage, it doesn't work at all.) I think these - the first two, at least - probably are genuine advantages. But they don't really "set the world on fire". I think Steve and I would like to see, for example, a list of obvious new _features_ that using 10 would open up for us. (And, indeed, what disadvantages, perhaps _other_ than all the spying and so on. But those are less important, to me anyway.) Carrot and stick: "why should I switch to 10"; "because it's safer/newer/will be supported for longer" type answers are a stick - I haven't seen any carrots, at least not any that make _me_ want to switch. (Actually, I haven't seen any at all, but then I haven't been looking very hard.) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf # 10^-12 boos = 1 picoboo # 2*10^3 mockingbirds = 2 kilo mockingbird # 10^21 piccolos = 1 gigolo # 10^12 microphones = 1 megaphone # 10**9 questions = 1 gigawhat |
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masonc wrote:
Please enumerate reasons for not getting Windows 10. Is not resistance futile? Why are we resisting? (I'm newly settled in windows7.) Problem 1: Text size of E-mail and many sites keeps changing font size at any time. I can use Ctrl/0 to get the size larger but it still switches back to smaller at most any time. Problem 2: The icon arrangement on my desktop keeps getting all scrambled and I don't know how to make it stay the way I arrange it. Problem 3: The various menus that you get when using the right mouse button keep popping up as I move the pointer across the screen. And it is not me doing it! |
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