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  #16  
Old October 24th 15, 01:56 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
Stan Brown
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Default Why not Widows 10?

On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 08:39:46 +0100, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

In message , ray carter
writes:
On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 12:50:56 -0700, masonc wrote:

Please enumerate reasons for not getting Windows 10.
Is not resistance futile? Why are we resisting? (I'm newly settled in
windows7.)


Resistance is hardly futile. I have not used an MS system for over 10
years.


(OK, I'll feed So why are you still taking these newsgroups?


Why does any troll infest any newsgroup? It gets off on being
annoying.

Now, what about the person who opened this thread by asking a
question that's been answered about ten million times in this
newsgroup alone?

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Old October 24th 15, 03:22 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
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Default Why not Widows 10?

On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 08:39:46 +0100, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

In message , ray carter
writes:
On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 12:50:56 -0700, masonc wrote:

Please enumerate reasons for not getting Windows 10.
Is not resistance futile? Why are we resisting? (I'm newly settled in
windows7.)


Resistance is hardly futile. I have not used an MS system for over 10
years.


(OK, I'll feed So why are you still taking these newsgroups?


Comic relief!
  #18  
Old October 24th 15, 04:23 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
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| Why does any troll infest any newsgroup? It gets off on being
| annoying.
|
| Now, what about the person who opened this thread by asking a
| question that's been answered about ten million times in this
| newsgroup alone?
|

And you've posted twice yourself, for no
purpose other than your usual -- to be snide.
A troll question might at least spark a useful
conversation. Superiority attitudes and insults
help no one.


  #19  
Old October 24th 15, 07:05 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
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Default Why not Widows 10?

On 24 Oct 2015, Steve Hayes wrote in
alt.windows7.general:

3) I'm not sure what features it has that makes it more desirable
than Windows 7, and whether I desire those features at all.


I have yet to hear a single advantage for me to upgrade to Windows 8 or
10 from Windows 7.

If I bought a new computer, I could deal with Windows 8.1 pretty
easily. Windows 10 is a no-go for me because of its embedded
telemetry/spyware features and its lack of control over updates. I plan
to avoid it for as long as I can, maybe forever.
  #20  
Old October 24th 15, 08:31 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
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In article , rednoise9
@REMOVETHIScomcast.net says...

On 24 Oct 2015, Steve Hayes wrote in
alt.windows7.general:

3) I'm not sure what features it has that makes it more desirable
than Windows 7, and whether I desire those features at all.


I have yet to hear a single advantage for me to upgrade to Windows 8 or
10 from Windows 7.

If I bought a new computer, I could deal with Windows 8.1 pretty
easily. Windows 10 is a no-go for me because of its embedded
telemetry/spyware features and its lack of control over updates. I plan
to avoid it for as long as I can, maybe forever.


It's clear to me and has been since Win98 Beta days that MS essentially
wants to move to a model that's basically rent the software with us
paying for either some period of time or some number of uses.

I will not support that hence no Windows past 8.1 will likely ever see
this house. The big issue will be purchasing a new quality pc without it
having Win10 already installed. Doubt in few years one will be able to
phone Dell or walk into Staples (as examples) and buy a pc without any
OS on it or some flavour of Linux if you so choose.
  #21  
Old October 25th 15, 04:55 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
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Default Why not Widows 10?

On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 14:05:27 -0400, Nil
wrote:

On 24 Oct 2015, Steve Hayes wrote in
alt.windows7.general:

3) I'm not sure what features it has that makes it more desirable
than Windows 7, and whether I desire those features at all.


I have yet to hear a single advantage for me to upgrade to Windows 8 or
10 from Windows 7.


Aye, and that is why I am hoping that someone who has "upgraded" from
Windows 7 to Windows 10 will tell is what advantages there are, if
any.

And also what disadvantages they have found, if any.


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  #22  
Old October 25th 15, 08:47 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
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Dne 24.10.2015 v 20:05 Nil napsal(a):
On 24 Oct 2015, Steve Hayes wrote in
alt.windows7.general:

3) I'm not sure what features it has that makes it more desirable
than Windows 7, and whether I desire those features at all.




Windows 10 is a no-go for me because of its embedded
telemetry/spyware features and its lack of control over updates. I plan
to avoid it for as long as I can, maybe forever.


Try this analysis, is not in English but I am trying to link translation.....

http://translate.google.com/translat...-komunikace%2F

original version here

http://www.root.cz/clanky/windows-10...ci-komunikace/

L.




  #23  
Old October 25th 15, 09:28 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
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Default Why not Widows 10?

Petr Laznovsky wrote:
Dne 24.10.2015 v 20:05 Nil napsal(a):
On 24 Oct 2015, Steve Hayes wrote in
alt.windows7.general:

3) I'm not sure what features it has that makes it more desirable
than Windows 7, and whether I desire those features at all.




Windows 10 is a no-go for me because of its embedded
telemetry/spyware features and its lack of control over updates. I plan
to avoid it for as long as I can, maybe forever.


Try this analysis, is not in English but I am trying to link
translation.....

http://translate.google.com/translat...-komunikace%2F


original version here

http://www.root.cz/clanky/windows-10...ci-komunikace/

L.


Is the product usable ?

Is the company trustworthy ?

These are the things that count.

It is the philosophy of the approach we
object to. A short baseline traffic analysis
with an incomplete sampling is not going
to change basic opinion on the topic.

For example, how do you know that WinPCAP captured
all the traffic ? What if the network stack was compromised,
so some of the traffic was not captured by Wireshark at all ?
You would need to include external packet tracing (done by a box
outside the computer), correlate with Wireshark tracing, and
making sure nothing "got lost".

Your analysis techniques must be of the same quality as the
techniques used for dealing with malware. Virtually any
subsystem could be compromised. Why ? It's the philosophy of
the product, that virtually any outrage is justifiable
for capitalist gain. And some of us consider that
a step too far. We're not riding in that clown car.

Previously, we bought an OS, and it was ours to use, without
observation or snooping. We could sit quietly in front
of the computer, and not see the LEDs on the NIC interface
flash at all. If we wanted to run a benchmark, we could
run a benchmark without maintenance activity interfering
with and polluting the results. We can't do that any more.

I have a copy of Win10, but I can tell you I'm not
sitting in front of it. I don't surf on it. I don't
send email on it. On purpose, no microphone is
connected. On purpose, no webcam is connected.
Why ? Philosophy.

We didn't agree to turn our desktops into smartphones.
Nor clean up the mess using "43 toggle switches". What
we got is not a traditional desktop OS.

Paul
  #24  
Old October 25th 15, 12:22 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
Stan Brown
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Default Why not Widows 10?

On Sun, 25 Oct 2015 05:55:33 +0200, Steve Hayes wrote:
On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 14:05:27 -0400, Nil
wrote:

[quoted text muted]
than Windows 7, and whether I desire those features at all.


I have yet to hear a single advantage for me to upgrade to Windows 8 or
10 from Windows 7.


Aye, and that is why I am hoping that someone who has "upgraded" from
Windows 7 to Windows 10 will tell is what advantages there are, if
any.

And also what disadvantages they have found, if any.


Both of those things have been discussed here for months.

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  #25  
Old October 25th 15, 01:28 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
Paul
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Default Why not Widows 10?

Steve Hayes wrote:
On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 14:05:27 -0400, Nil
wrote:

On 24 Oct 2015, Steve Hayes wrote in
alt.windows7.general:

3) I'm not sure what features it has that makes it more desirable
than Windows 7, and whether I desire those features at all.

I have yet to hear a single advantage for me to upgrade to Windows 8 or
10 from Windows 7.


Aye, and that is why I am hoping that someone who has "upgraded" from
Windows 7 to Windows 10 will tell is what advantages there are, if
any.

And also what disadvantages they have found, if any.


Just for you, I did a benchmark.

7ZIP 9.38 Beta x64

Compress a 30GB file. Ultra, one thread per core.
Same hardware for each test.

Win7 SP1 27:04 minutes
Win10 10565 27:44 minutes

So Windows 10 was 40 seconds slower. About 2.5%.

On a web site, they used the built-in benchmark
function inside 7ZIP, and on Win10 it was 1.5% slower.

So no advantage there.

Paul

  #26  
Old October 25th 15, 02:55 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
Mayayana
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| We didn't agree to turn our desktops into smartphones.

Interesting phrase. I wonder how many people
agreed to turn their computer phones into
tracking collars in the first place.

Phones are increasingly used as always-present,
portable computers with really bad keyboards. But
in the transition, control of the machine's operation
and data has been lost. Last week I was reading
about some 250 apps on iPhone that were collecting
data and that Apple vowed to shut down. It's like
thugs in Disneyland. People pay a bundle to Apple
for lock-in and thoroughgoing surveillance malware,
then don't have enough control of the device to even
know their data is being collected by secondary,
smalltime malware that doesn't pay Apple their cut.

As you're pointing out, Win10 seems to have also
crossed that boundary -- blocking control to such
an extent that there's no dependable way to know
exactly how much control has been lost.


  #27  
Old October 25th 15, 03:16 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
Mayayana
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| Try this analysis, is not in English but I am trying to link
translation.....
|
|
http://translate.google.com/translat...-komunikace%2F
|
| original version here
|
| http://www.root.cz/clanky/windows-10...ci-komunikace/
|

This was talked about awhile back. Here's an
English analysis:

http://www.helpsec.net/a-traffic-analysis-of-windows-10

I don't know who wrote the English article. I first
came across it at localghost.org. It seems to now
be gone from there, but I had saved it, so I did a
search for a unique phrase:

"autocorrect dictionary that benefits"

That turned up numerous sites and online discussions
that have reprinted the exact same analysis, word for
word! Yet I haven't found who originally wrote it.

Also, for those who don't want to enable javascript,
the Czech text can be pasted here for translation:

http://itools.com/language/translate



  #28  
Old October 25th 15, 06:30 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
Steve Hayes[_2_]
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Default Why not Widows 10?

On Sun, 25 Oct 2015 08:28:02 -0400, Paul wrote:

Steve Hayes wrote:
On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 14:05:27 -0400, Nil
wrote:

On 24 Oct 2015, Steve Hayes wrote in
alt.windows7.general:

3) I'm not sure what features it has that makes it more desirable
than Windows 7, and whether I desire those features at all.
I have yet to hear a single advantage for me to upgrade to Windows 8 or
10 from Windows 7.


Aye, and that is why I am hoping that someone who has "upgraded" from
Windows 7 to Windows 10 will tell is what advantages there are, if
any.

And also what disadvantages they have found, if any.


Just for you, I did a benchmark.

7ZIP 9.38 Beta x64

Compress a 30GB file. Ultra, one thread per core.
Same hardware for each test.

Win7 SP1 27:04 minutes
Win10 10565 27:44 minutes

So Windows 10 was 40 seconds slower. About 2.5%.

On a web site, they used the built-in benchmark
function inside 7ZIP, and on Win10 it was 1.5% slower.

So no advantage there.


So if there is no advantage to users, perhaps all the advantages are
to Microsoft -- why else would the be offering it "free".

Some have suggested that they want to turn it into subscriptionware,
like Office 365.

Would that mean that if you "upgrade" to it, on a certain day it will
stop working, like ransomware, until you pay a ransom to Microsoft?


--
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Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

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  #29  
Old October 25th 15, 09:27 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)
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In message , Stan Brown
writes:
On Sun, 25 Oct 2015 05:55:33 +0200, Steve Hayes wrote:
On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 14:05:27 -0400, Nil
wrote:

[quoted text muted]
than Windows 7, and whether I desire those features at all.

I have yet to hear a single advantage for me to upgrade to Windows 8 or
10 from Windows 7.


Aye, and that is why I am hoping that someone who has "upgraded" from
Windows 7 to Windows 10 will tell is what advantages there are, if
any.

And also what disadvantages they have found, if any.


Both of those things have been discussed here for months.

Not in those specific clear terms - not in the 7 'group, anyway. I agree
with Steve - a SIMPLE list of the advantages of 10, for the ordinary
user, would be more than welcome. The main ones I've seen seem to be:

o it's new/current, and thus will have better support going forward. I
can't argue with that: I don't _like_ it, but most of that if I'm honest
is just the usual reluctance to change.

o it's better security-wise. (I'm not talking about the alleged spying
etc. that is on by default; I mean against real malware.) I'm willing to
accept that, for the average user, that might actually be true.

o on _some_ hardware, it works more efficiently. (Equally on some, it
works less well, or in a not insignificant percentage, it doesn't work
at all.)

I think these - the first two, at least - probably are genuine
advantages. But they don't really "set the world on fire". I think Steve
and I would like to see, for example, a list of obvious new _features_
that using 10 would open up for us. (And, indeed, what disadvantages,
perhaps _other_ than all the spying and so on. But those are less
important, to me anyway.)

Carrot and stick: "why should I switch to 10"; "because it's
safer/newer/will be supported for longer" type answers are a stick - I
haven't seen any carrots, at least not any that make _me_ want to
switch. (Actually, I haven't seen any at all, but then I haven't been
looking very hard.)
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  #30  
Old October 25th 15, 10:40 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
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masonc wrote:
Please enumerate reasons for not getting Windows 10.
Is not resistance futile? Why are we resisting?
(I'm newly settled in windows7.)

Problem 1: Text size of E-mail and many sites keeps changing font size
at any time. I can use Ctrl/0 to get the size larger but it still
switches back to smaller at most any time.

Problem 2: The icon arrangement on my desktop keeps getting all
scrambled and I don't know how to make it stay the way I arrange it.

Problem 3: The various menus that you get when using the right mouse
button keep popping up as I move the pointer across the screen. And it
is not me doing it!
 




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