windows defender force fed

Just noticed we can't turn off windows offender. If MicroSnot thinks you
have had it dissabled for too long it will turn it back on automatically

On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 06:36:58 -0400, GrumpyGrandad wrote:

Just noticed we can't turn off windows offender. If MicroSnot thinks you
have had it dissabled for too long it will turn it back on automatically

If you don't disable it, it will come back, yes.

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On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 06:36:58 -0400, GrumpyGrandad wrote:

Just noticed we can't turn off windows offender. If MicroSnot thinks you
have had it dissabled for too long it will turn it back on automatically

If you don't disable it, it will come back, yes.

Or if you don't install another AV product. Even with Defender disabled, if
no other AV is up and running, then eventually Defender will re-enable
itself. Happened on mine when AVG kept giving me problems. It (AVG) would
work for a while, then it wouldn't update or scan. Eventually, Defender
started itself back up.

I don't remember which build it was, but was probably at least two ago. With
each build, I'd have to uninstall and re-install AVG, so I finally gave up
for now and just run Defender for real time protection.
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On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 23:09:08 -0400, SC Tom wrote:



"Slimer" wrote in message
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On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 06:36:58 -0400, GrumpyGrandad wrote:

Just noticed we can't turn off windows offender. If MicroSnot thinks
you
have had it dissabled for too long it will turn it back on
automatically

If you don't disable it, it will come back, yes.

Or if you don't install another AV product. Even with Defender disabled,
if no other AV is up and running, then eventually Defender will
re-enable itself. Happened on mine when AVG kept giving me problems. It
(AVG) would work for a while, then it wouldn't update or scan.
Eventually, Defender started itself back up.

I don't remember which build it was, but was probably at least two ago.
With each build, I'd have to uninstall and re-install AVG, so I finally
gave up for now and just run Defender for real time protection.

Wow, I know that I was able to disable all of Windows' awful security in
Vista so it's sad to hear that it won't allow it in 8.1. Oh well, I guess
it's a matter of living with it or getting a decent anti-virus which
pleases us in its place. I get one free from my ISP (McAfee) so I can't
complain.

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On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 23:09:08 -0400, SC Tom wrote:



"Slimer" wrote in message
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On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 06:36:58 -0400, GrumpyGrandad wrote:

Just noticed we can't turn off windows offender. If MicroSnot thinks
you
have had it dissabled for too long it will turn it back on
automatically

If you don't disable it, it will come back, yes.

Or if you don't install another AV product. Even with Defender disabled,
if no other AV is up and running, then eventually Defender will
re-enable itself. Happened on mine when AVG kept giving me problems. It
(AVG) would work for a while, then it wouldn't update or scan.
Eventually, Defender started itself back up.

I don't remember which build it was, but was probably at least two ago.
With each build, I'd have to uninstall and re-install AVG, so I finally
gave up for now and just run Defender for real time protection.

Wow, I know that I was able to disable all of Windows' awful security in
Vista so it's sad to hear that it won't allow it in 8.1. Oh well, I guess
it's a matter of living with it or getting a decent anti-virus which
pleases us in its place. I get one free from my ISP (McAfee) so I can't
complain.

It's almost like Microsoft thinks "User stupid; must fix" with each new
version of Windows. I think it mostly started (as you stated) with Vista's
UAC, and has gotten worse since. Thankfully, UAC can still be disabled up
through Win8.1 (and possibly Win10- I don't have that workstation up right
now, and I can't remember if I tried or not). I think their logic is that
most average users don't look deep into anything (like some of us in these
NG's), that they turn it on and use it until it breaks, then buy another one
or pay to have it fixed. I never did make THAT much money LOL!

I guess it's all part of our "disposable" society- if it breaks, replace it.
That's usually cheaper than repairing it anyhow it seems. A friend of mine
had an electronics repair shop years ago, and had to close it for that
reason. People would bring in their VCRs to get fixed, and she'd give them a
$100-150 quote. Well, you could buy a new one for $50, so who in their right
mind was going to pay 2 to 3 times that to fix an old?
Just the way things are :-(
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On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 08:25:00 -0400, SC Tom wrote:



"Slimer" wrote in message
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On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 23:09:08 -0400, SC Tom wrote:



"Slimer" wrote in message
news On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 06:36:58 -0400, GrumpyGrandad
wrote:

Just noticed we can't turn off windows offender. If MicroSnot thinks
you
have had it dissabled for too long it will turn it back on
automatically

If you don't disable it, it will come back, yes.

Or if you don't install another AV product. Even with Defender
disabled, if no other AV is up and running, then eventually Defender
will re-enable itself. Happened on mine when AVG kept giving me
problems. It (AVG) would work for a while, then it wouldn't update or
scan. Eventually, Defender started itself back up.

I don't remember which build it was, but was probably at least two
ago. With each build, I'd have to uninstall and re-install AVG, so I
finally gave up for now and just run Defender for real time protection.

Wow, I know that I was able to disable all of Windows' awful security
in Vista so it's sad to hear that it won't allow it in 8.1. Oh well, I
guess it's a matter of living with it or getting a decent anti-virus
which pleases us in its place. I get one free from my ISP (McAfee) so I
can't complain.

It's almost like Microsoft thinks "User stupid; must fix" with each new
version of Windows. I think it mostly started (as you stated) with
Vista's UAC, and has gotten worse since. Thankfully, UAC can still be
disabled up through Win8.1 (and possibly Win10- I don't have that
workstation up right now, and I can't remember if I tried or not). I
think their logic is that most average users don't look deep into
anything (like some of us in these NG's), that they turn it on and use
it until it breaks, then buy another one or pay to have it fixed. I
never did make THAT much money LOL!

UAC is something that I would never dare disable. In fact, I set it all
the way to the top. I like being alerted if a piece of software is looking
to make significant changes to my computer. That's one thing I wish that
users would take more seriously as a way of preventing infections.

I guess it's all part of our "disposable" society- if it breaks, replace
it. That's usually cheaper than repairing it anyhow it seems. A friend
of mine had an electronics repair shop years ago, and had to close it
for that reason. People would bring in their VCRs to get fixed, and
she'd give them a $100-150 quote. Well, you could buy a new one for $50,
so who in their right mind was going to pay 2 to 3 times that to fix an
old?
Just the way things are :-(

It's also how the manufacturer wants them to be. Devices have a small
initial price and as a result break which means that you buy another
within an unreasonable amount of time and therefore allow the company to
keep making profits. It's the model even American car manufacturers use:
Chrysler puts some of the worst ball joints in their cars so that you have
no choice but to come in and fix them after a ridiculous short interval.
The car cost little but they make a crapload of money off of you requiring
new parts every six months. Some live with it, some buy a BMW and give
American car manufacturers the middle finger.

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On 7/13/2015 7:36 AM, Slimer wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 23:09:08 -0400, SC Tom wrote:



"Slimer" wrote in message
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On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 06:36:58 -0400, GrumpyGrandad wrote:

Just noticed we can't turn off windows offender. If MicroSnot thinks
you
have had it dissabled for too long it will turn it back on
automatically

If you don't disable it, it will come back, yes.

Or if you don't install another AV product. Even with Defender
disabled, if no other AV is up and running, then eventually Defender
will re-enable itself. Happened on mine when AVG kept giving me
problems. It (AVG) would work for a while, then it wouldn't update or
scan. Eventually, Defender started itself back up.

I don't remember which build it was, but was probably at least two
ago. With each build, I'd have to uninstall and re-install AVG, so I
finally gave up for now and just run Defender for real time protection.

Wow, I know that I was able to disable all of Windows' awful security in
Vista so it's sad to hear that it won't allow it in 8.1. Oh well, I
guess it's a matter of living with it or getting a decent anti-virus
which pleases us in its place. I get one free from my ISP (McAfee) so I
can't complain.


I have not used Windows 10 but I know that McAfee Total Protection Suite
disables, all of the Windows 8.1 security features.

In Windows 8.1 when you go to Control Panel, System and Security,
Windows Firewall, it says that it is being managed by McAfee Personal
Firewall.

All other McAfee functions virus check, malware, etc are in control of
the computer.

On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 09:08:24 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

On 7/13/2015 7:36 AM, Slimer wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 23:09:08 -0400, SC Tom wrote:



"Slimer" wrote in message
news On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 06:36:58 -0400, GrumpyGrandad
wrote:

Just noticed we can't turn off windows offender. If MicroSnot thinks
you
have had it dissabled for too long it will turn it back on
automatically

If you don't disable it, it will come back, yes.

Or if you don't install another AV product. Even with Defender
disabled, if no other AV is up and running, then eventually Defender
will re-enable itself. Happened on mine when AVG kept giving me
problems. It (AVG) would work for a while, then it wouldn't update or
scan. Eventually, Defender started itself back up.

I don't remember which build it was, but was probably at least two
ago. With each build, I'd have to uninstall and re-install AVG, so I
finally gave up for now and just run Defender for real time protection.

Wow, I know that I was able to disable all of Windows' awful security in
Vista so it's sad to hear that it won't allow it in 8.1. Oh well, I
guess it's a matter of living with it or getting a decent anti-virus
which pleases us in its place. I get one free from my ISP (McAfee) so I
can't complain.


I have not used Windows 10 but I know that McAfee Total Protection Suite
disables, all of the Windows 8.1 security features.

In Windows 8.1 when you go to Control Panel, System and Security,
Windows Firewall, it says that it is being managed by McAfee Personal
Firewall.

All other McAfee functions virus check, malware, etc are in control of
the computer.

Nobody is denying that.

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Proud "Wintroll"

On 7/13/2015 10:06 AM, Slimer wrote:
On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 09:08:24 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

On 7/13/2015 7:36 AM, Slimer wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 23:09:08 -0400, SC Tom wrote:



"Slimer" wrote in message
news On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 06:36:58 -0400, GrumpyGrandad
wrote:

Just noticed we can't turn off windows offender. If MicroSnot thinks
you
have had it dissabled for too long it will turn it back on
automatically

If you don't disable it, it will come back, yes.

Or if you don't install another AV product. Even with Defender
disabled, if no other AV is up and running, then eventually Defender
will re-enable itself. Happened on mine when AVG kept giving me
problems. It (AVG) would work for a while, then it wouldn't update or
scan. Eventually, Defender started itself back up.

I don't remember which build it was, but was probably at least two
ago. With each build, I'd have to uninstall and re-install AVG, so I
finally gave up for now and just run Defender for real time protection.

Wow, I know that I was able to disable all of Windows' awful security in
Vista so it's sad to hear that it won't allow it in 8.1. Oh well, I
guess it's a matter of living with it or getting a decent anti-virus
which pleases us in its place. I get one free from my ISP (McAfee) so I
can't complain.


I have not used Windows 10 but I know that McAfee Total Protection
Suite disables, all of the Windows 8.1 security features.

In Windows 8.1 when you go to Control Panel, System and Security,
Windows Firewall, it says that it is being managed by McAfee Personal
Firewall.

All other McAfee functions virus check, malware, etc are in control of
the computer.

Nobody is denying that.

I was responding to the lines below for the previoius post. It sounds
as if he has the idea that you have to use MS security in Wndows 8.1

Quote "Wow, I know that I was able to disable all of Windows' awful
security in Vista so it's sad to hear that it won't allow it in 8.1. "

On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 11:10:11 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

On 7/13/2015 10:06 AM, Slimer wrote:
On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 09:08:24 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

On 7/13/2015 7:36 AM, Slimer wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 23:09:08 -0400, SC Tom wrote:



"Slimer" wrote in message
news On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 06:36:58 -0400, GrumpyGrandad
wrote:

Just noticed we can't turn off windows offender. If MicroSnot
thinks
you
have had it dissabled for too long it will turn it back on
automatically

If you don't disable it, it will come back, yes.

Or if you don't install another AV product. Even with Defender
disabled, if no other AV is up and running, then eventually Defender
will re-enable itself. Happened on mine when AVG kept giving me
problems. It (AVG) would work for a while, then it wouldn't update or
scan. Eventually, Defender started itself back up.

I don't remember which build it was, but was probably at least two
ago. With each build, I'd have to uninstall and re-install AVG, so I
finally gave up for now and just run Defender for real time
protection.

Wow, I know that I was able to disable all of Windows' awful security
in
Vista so it's sad to hear that it won't allow it in 8.1. Oh well, I
guess it's a matter of living with it or getting a decent anti-virus
which pleases us in its place. I get one free from my ISP (McAfee) so
I
can't complain.


I have not used Windows 10 but I know that McAfee Total Protection
Suite disables, all of the Windows 8.1 security features.

In Windows 8.1 when you go to Control Panel, System and Security,
Windows Firewall, it says that it is being managed by McAfee Personal
Firewall.

All other McAfee functions virus check, malware, etc are in control of
the computer.

Nobody is denying that.

I was responding to the lines below for the previoius post. It sounds
as if he has the idea that you have to use MS security in Wndows 8.1

Quote "Wow, I know that I was able to disable all of Windows' awful
security in Vista so it's sad to hear that it won't allow it in 8.1. "

If Microsoft really wanted to secure Windows, they'd re-inforce the
security nothing more than a proper implementation of User Access Control.
The fact that they encourage the use of an anti-virus to me, is a
confirmation that they don't believe in their own product's security and
have no intention of allowing you to operate their OS without a
third-party protection suite. It's rather sad to be honest.

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On 7/13/2015 12:01 PM, Slimer wrote:
The fact that they encourage the use of an anti-virus to me, is a
confirmation that they don't believe in their own product's security
I beleive if you dig around on the Microsoft site you will see a
statement that says essentially what you have said I would post the URL
but don't have time right now to dig it out

On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 12:24:58 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

On 7/13/2015 12:01 PM, Slimer wrote:
The fact that they encourage the use of an anti-virus to me, is a
confirmation that they don't believe in their own product's security
I beleive if you dig around on the Microsoft site you will see a
statement that says essentially what you have said I would post the URL
but don't have time right now to dig it out

Not necessary, I'll take your word for it. It's a sad state that security
is not a concern for them. Adobe doesn't seem too concerned either; just
today, it has been revealed that there is yet another 0-day exploit
targeting Flash and Java. Nobody cares about Java so we can ignore that
but Flash is ubiquitous. I've removed it to prevent an issue but it is
getting tiring for website to still use this security nightmare and even
force it down our throats because important functionality is missing
without it.

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Proud "Wintroll"

On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 07:36:44 -0400, Slimer wrote:

On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 23:09:08 -0400, SC Tom wrote:



"Slimer" wrote in message
news
On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 06:36:58 -0400, GrumpyGrandad wrote:

Just noticed we can't turn off windows offender. If MicroSnot thinks
you
have had it dissabled for too long it will turn it back on
automatically

If you don't disable it, it will come back, yes.

Or if you don't install another AV product. Even with Defender disabled,
if no other AV is up and running, then eventually Defender will
re-enable itself. Happened on mine when AVG kept giving me problems. It
(AVG) would work for a while, then it wouldn't update or scan.
Eventually, Defender started itself back up.

I don't remember which build it was, but was probably at least two ago.
With each build, I'd have to uninstall and re-install AVG, so I finally
gave up for now and just run Defender for real time protection.

Wow, I know that I was able to disable all of Windows' awful security in
Vista so it's sad to hear that it won't allow it in 8.1. Oh well, I guess
it's a matter of living with it or getting a decent anti-virus which
pleases us in its place. I get one free from my ISP (McAfee) so I can't
complain.

My complaint would be, if you're going to provide some kind of anti malware
program free of charge, at least make it something that I want. My ISP has
been offering McAfee for quite a number of years, but it's easy to say no.

On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 09:07:11 -0400, Slimer wrote:

UAC is something that I would never dare disable. In fact, I set it all
the way to the top. I like being alerted if a piece of software is looking
to make significant changes to my computer. That's one thing I wish that
users would take more seriously as a way of preventing infections.

I take UAC seriously enough that it's one of the very first things I disable
on a new machine, along with System Restore and a few other bits and pieces.

On Fri, 17 Jul 2015 09:35:57 -0400, Char Jackson wrote:

On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 07:36:44 -0400, Slimer wrote:

On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 23:09:08 -0400, SC Tom wrote:



"Slimer" wrote in message
news On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 06:36:58 -0400, GrumpyGrandad
wrote:

Just noticed we can't turn off windows offender. If MicroSnot thinks
you
have had it dissabled for too long it will turn it back on
automatically

If you don't disable it, it will come back, yes.

Or if you don't install another AV product. Even with Defender
disabled,
if no other AV is up and running, then eventually Defender will
re-enable itself. Happened on mine when AVG kept giving me problems. It
(AVG) would work for a while, then it wouldn't update or scan.
Eventually, Defender started itself back up.

I don't remember which build it was, but was probably at least two ago.
With each build, I'd have to uninstall and re-install AVG, so I finally
gave up for now and just run Defender for real time protection.

Wow, I know that I was able to disable all of Windows' awful security in
Vista so it's sad to hear that it won't allow it in 8.1. Oh well, I
guess
it's a matter of living with it or getting a decent anti-virus which
pleases us in its place. I get one free from my ISP (McAfee) so I can't
complain.

My complaint would be, if you're going to provide some kind of anti
malware
program free of charge, at least make it something that I want. My ISP
has
been offering McAfee for quite a number of years, but it's easy to say
no.

I don't find it all that bad and it has gotten decent reviews so I'll just
continue using it since it doesn't hurt my bankbook at all.

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