Consensus on Windows 10?

In my long history with Windows, I've never been one to jump on the
bandwagon when a new release hits the street. I've always waited until the
first service pack is released.

Is Windows 10 ready for release?

Will Microsoft wait a year before releasing a service pack (if indeed there
is one), so that those like me who hold back from upgrading won't be able
to benefit from the free upgrade? I can't help but wonder if the free
upgrade is a trojan horse.


Tom

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In my long history with Windows, I've never been one to jump on the
bandwagon when a new release hits the street. I've always waited until the
first service pack is released.

Is Windows 10 ready for release?

Will Microsoft wait a year before releasing a service pack (if indeed there
is one), so that those like me who hold back from upgrading won't be able
to benefit from the free upgrade? I can't help but wonder if the free
upgrade is a trojan horse.


Tom

I seem to remember a story about Bill Gates stating once that as far as
he was concerned he should get paid for every time "his" software was
used. I don't think MS has really strayed far from that view and they're
just slowly transforming "our expectations to further that eventuality.

I will not be trying something that?s forever tied to the initial
hardware it gets installed on. As far as I?m concerned FREE would be - I
can download an ISO, burn it and install the OS without any other crap,
e.g. specifially MS doesn?t even know, no activation required etc.

Instead. the ?free? they state is simply part of a plan that remains
fully unstated and for me at least therefore untrusted.

On 15/07/2015 3:50 pm, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 08:38:00 -0600, Tom Hall wrote:

In my long history with Windows, I've never been one to jump on the
bandwagon when a new release hits the street. I've always waited until the
first service pack is released.

Is Windows 10 ready for release?

Will Microsoft wait a year before releasing a service pack (if indeed there
is one), so that those like me who hold back from upgrading won't be able
to benefit from the free upgrade? I can't help but wonder if the free
upgrade is a trojan horse.


Smart man. I will take it one step further, I have made a significant effort to
discover the advantages of W10 over W7 or W8.1, so far I cannot find anything
substantive.

If it's not broken, don't fix it.


It certainly has no advantages over Windows 7, and quite a few
disadvantages. In its latest incarnation it is substantially better than
8/8.1, so if I had the latter I wouldn't hesitate to upgrade. However,
my Windows 7 is staying on my main machine until I am forced to give up
when the grim reaper collects either me or my computer - whichever
happens first. [1]

[1] at my age, I wouldn't take bets on that.

--
Bob
Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England

Every time I hear the dirty word 'exercise', I wash my mouth out with
chocolate.

On 7/15/2015 7:38 AM, Tom Hall wrote:
In my long history with Windows, I've never been one to jump on the
bandwagon when a new release hits the street. I've always waited until the
first service pack is released.

Is Windows 10 ready for release?

Will Microsoft wait a year before releasing a service pack (if indeed there
is one), so that those like me who hold back from upgrading won't be able
to benefit from the free upgrade? I can't help but wonder if the free
upgrade is a trojan horse.


Tom

the current story is continuous upgrades. There may never be another
"service pack" as we know it.

You can bet that everything that microsoft does is aimed at increasing
profit and shareholder equity. You/we are merely a source of funds.

If people are not gonna buy the upgrade, they might as well give it away.

I see the whole thing as a hail-mary to stay in the phone/tablet
business. The more people familiar with the user interface, the less
resistance to the windows phone/tablet.

I predict a failure to recover the phone business, but
if I were in charge, I have no idea
what I'd do at this point.

I see nothing in win10 that provides benefit over win7.
I have little experience with the modern interface other
than trying to turn off all the live tile stuff I can.

But, eventually, there will be some app that I want that
is unavailable for win7. Might as well take the free upgrade
on a separate hard drive
and get on with life. Better to have and not need than to
need and not have.

I got the win7 CD for free at the launch event.
Took me two years to get around to installing it.
Most of my systems still run XP. The do what they need
to do, so there's no need to upgrade.

On 15/07/2015 4:03 pm, mike wrote:

But, eventually, there will be some app that I want that
is unavailable for win7. Might as well take the free upgrade
on a separate hard drive
and get on with life. Better to have and not need than to
need and not have.


You can bet they won't let you do that. I can't see them giving discs or
..iso files away - I imagine it will be a download over the top of your
existing system, rather like the usual monthly updates. Otherwise
they'll be giving the system away for nothing, as everyone would do as
you suggested - and Microsoft won't make any money out of that.

--
Bob
Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England

Diplomacy - the art of letting someone else have your own way.

On 7/15/2015 10:21 AM, Bob Henson wrote:
On 15/07/2015 4:03 pm, mike wrote:

But, eventually, there will be some app that I want that
is unavailable for win7. Might as well take the free upgrade
on a separate hard drive
and get on with life. Better to have and not need than to
need and not have.


You can bet they won't let you do that. I can't see them giving discs or
.iso files away - I imagine it will be a download over the top of your
existing system, rather like the usual monthly updates. Otherwise
they'll be giving the system away for nothing, as everyone would do as
you suggested - and Microsoft won't make any money out of that.


My horse and buggy quit so I will move on, For all you negative types
there's always Linux. Good Luck.

Regards, Rene

On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 08:38:00 -0600, Tom Hall wrote:

In my long history with Windows, I've never been one to jump on the
bandwagon when a new release hits the street. I've always waited until
the first service pack is released.

Is Windows 10 ready for release?

Will Microsoft wait a year before releasing a service pack (if indeed
there is one), so that those like me who hold back from upgrading won't
be able to benefit from the free upgrade? I can't help but wonder if the
free upgrade is a trojan horse.


Tom
I'd certainly wait a few months. I've never seen a new version of an OS
that was truly 'ready' for release - though Debian comes damned close.

Stormin' Norman posted this via
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On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 08:38:00 -0600, Tom Hall
wrote:

In my long history with Windows, I've never been one to jump on the
bandwagon when a new release hits the street. I've always waited until
the first service pack is released.

Is Windows 10 ready for release?

Will Microsoft wait a year before releasing a service pack (if indeed
there is one), so that those like me who hold back from upgrading won't
be able to benefit from the free upgrade? I can't help but wonder if the
free upgrade is a trojan horse.


Smart man. I will take it one step further, I have made a significant
effort to discover the advantages of W10 over W7 or W8.1, so far I
cannot find anything substantive.

If it's not broken, don't fix it.

That's a very good argument for staying with WinXP... or at least the WinXP
shell.

FWIW

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Repent, the end is near... Or
just smoke 'em if you got 'em.

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On 07/15/2015 11:21 AM, Bucky Breeder wrote:
Stormin' Norman posted this via
:

On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 08:38:00 -0600, Tom Hall
wrote:

In my long history with Windows, I've never been one to jump on the
bandwagon when a new release hits the street. I've always waited until
the first service pack is released.

Is Windows 10 ready for release?

Will Microsoft wait a year before releasing a service pack (if indeed
there is one), so that those like me who hold back from upgrading won't
be able to benefit from the free upgrade? I can't help but wonder if the
free upgrade is a trojan horse.


Smart man. I will take it one step further, I have made a significant
effort to discover the advantages of W10 over W7 or W8.1, so far I
cannot find anything substantive.

If it's not broken, don't fix it.

That's a very good argument for staying with WinXP... or at least the WinXP
shell.

FWIW


Hi All,

Use Frankenstein and Sons (W8 and W10) only if you have a
specific application written for a touch screen that you
can not find a substitute for. W10 is just W8.1 Service Pack 2.

Otherwise, just stay with XP or W7. Or get off Windows altogether.

My two cents.

-T

On 07/15/2015 08:03 AM, mike wrote:
I predict a failure to recover the phone business, but
if I were in charge, I have no idea
what I'd do at this point.

I second that.

All 23 users world wide will be heart broken!

Tom Hall wrote:

Is Windows 10 ready for release?

Using the metric "how many changes were in the last TP",
I think the answer is No.

You need at least a couple months, to put the finishing
touches on stuff. The interval between the last TP
and the release date, is too soon.

For free upgrades, you have a whole year to consider them.

Only a person buying a "back to school" system with OEM
installation, faces a stark reality. If I was buying
a Dell, I'd get a business machine with Win10 Pro and
associated "downgrade rights". Just in case the computer
is not to your satisfaction.

Or, accept an older model that ships with Windows 8.1,
which may have "free" upgrade rights.

*******

There will be enough "victims" on July 29,
for you to get all the feedback you need.

Paul

On 07/15/2015 12:33 PM, Paul wrote:
I'd get a business machine with Win10 Pro and
associated "downgrade rights".

Are they allowing two levels of downgrade to
W7 or just one level to W8.1?

On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 15:18:49 -0400, T wrote:

On 07/15/2015 11:21 AM, Bucky Breeder wrote:
Stormin' Norman posted this via
:

On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 08:38:00 -0600, Tom Hall
wrote:

In my long history with Windows, I've never been one to jump on the
bandwagon when a new release hits the street. I've always waited until
the first service pack is released.

Is Windows 10 ready for release?

Will Microsoft wait a year before releasing a service pack (if indeed
there is one), so that those like me who hold back from upgrading
won't
be able to benefit from the free upgrade? I can't help but wonder if
the
free upgrade is a trojan horse.


Smart man. I will take it one step further, I have made a significant
effort to discover the advantages of W10 over W7 or W8.1, so far I
cannot find anything substantive.

If it's not broken, don't fix it.

That's a very good argument for staying with WinXP... or at least the
WinXP
shell.

FWIW


Hi All,

Use Frankenstein and Sons (W8 and W10) only if you have a
specific application written for a touch screen that you
can not find a substitute for. W10 is just W8.1 Service Pack 2.

Otherwise, just stay with XP or W7. Or get off Windows altogether.

My two cents.

Nobody cares what some Linux loser like you thinks.

--
Slimer
Proud "Wintroll"

On 7/15/2015 8:21 AM, Bob Henson wrote:
On 15/07/2015 4:03 pm, mike wrote:

But, eventually, there will be some app that I want that
is unavailable for win7. Might as well take the free upgrade
on a separate hard drive
and get on with life. Better to have and not need than to
need and not have.


You can bet they won't let you do that. I can't see them giving discs or
.iso files away - I imagine it will be a download over the top of your
existing system, rather like the usual monthly updates. Otherwise
they'll be giving the system away for nothing, as everyone would do as
you suggested - and Microsoft won't make any money out of that.

All you gotta do is swap the drive???

T wrote:
On 07/15/2015 12:33 PM, Paul wrote:
I'd get a business machine with Win10 Pro and
associated "downgrade rights".

Are they allowing two levels of downgrade to
W7 or just one level to W8.1?

Well, you know what the level of support is like
on that stuff. Who knows.

The problem with articles like this, is the danger
of confusing the Enterprise weasel words, with what
an home OEM user can expect. The keyword here is
"Pro" - don't buy an OEM machine with Core/Home and
expect to downgrade. You'll have to pay more for
this privilege.

http://www.crn.com/news/applications...-windows-7.htm

"HP business partners also can purchase Windows 10 Pro
PCs (preloaded with Windows 10) and choose to downgrade
to Windows 7 Pro or Windows 8 Pro at a later time."

"In that case, it's likely a partner would have to make
a special request for the OS media to downgrade to."

Those latter kinds of statements, give me indigestion.
The biggest issue is likely to be the video driver for
a laptop. The second biggest issue, is whether the
license key in a Win10 OEM BIOS, is suitable for
activating a Win8 installation. With Win7, you would
use the COA. Oh, wait, there is no COA on the outside
of a Win10 PC. Silly me. Yes, this "downgrade" is
going to be easy - "it's so well supported doncha know".

*******

On an entirely separate issue...

Well, this is interesting. If you take the "free" upgrade,
you have 30 days to decide to downgrade again.

http://www.ghacks.net/2015/07/02/com...de-windows-10/

Paul