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Old July 16th 15, 01:52 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Keith Nuttle
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Default Windows 10 Updates

From the news articles there has been a lot of flack about MS forcing
Windows 10 updates at MS's convenience. ie the user has no control of
when the updates are downloaded and installed.

So far I have accepted this as flack, similar to the "Fact" that floated
around the media that you would need third party software to make CD/DVD
in Windows 8/8.1

I can not believe that a company would be so stupid as to implement
something like this. I can just see someone in the middle of a power
point presentation, and the meeting put on hold while the forced up date
is installed.

I am not against updates, and install them as soon as it is convenient
for me, usually during breaks, and in the evening while I am watching
TV, getting read to go to bed.

Is there anyone on this newsgroup who has the real facts on the upgrade
situation in Windows 10.
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  #2  
Old July 16th 15, 02:52 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul
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Default Windows 10 Updates

Keith Nuttle wrote:
From the news articles there has been a lot of flack about MS forcing
Windows 10 updates at MS's convenience. ie the user has no control of
when the updates are downloaded and installed.

So far I have accepted this as flack, similar to the "Fact" that floated
around the media that you would need third party software to make CD/DVD
in Windows 8/8.1

I can not believe that a company would be so stupid as to implement
something like this. I can just see someone in the middle of a power
point presentation, and the meeting put on hold while the forced up date
is installed.

I am not against updates, and install them as soon as it is convenient
for me, usually during breaks, and in the evening while I am watching
TV, getting read to go to bed.

Is there anyone on this newsgroup who has the real facts on the upgrade
situation in Windows 10.


This is for "restart" after a Windows Update comes in. By scheduling
a time, it means your machine is going to reboot no later than that.
So if you schedule for 10PM, and happen to reboot at 6PM anyway, then
it wouldn't need to reboot at 10PM. But the reboot can't be delayed
more than a certain amount (probably, a day).

http://www.howtogeek.com/221903/how-...in-windows-10/

The other aspect, is the "ring" system. For delaying major upgrades.
There is CB and CBB.

http://www.computerworld.com/article...customers.html

Paul

  #3  
Old July 16th 15, 03:16 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Keith Nuttle
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Default Windows 10 Updates

On 7/16/2015 9:52 AM, Paul wrote:
Keith Nuttle wrote:
From the news articles there has been a lot of flack about MS forcing
Windows 10 updates at MS's convenience. ie the user has no control of
when the updates are downloaded and installed.

So far I have accepted this as flack, similar to the "Fact" that
floated around the media that you would need third party software to
make CD/DVD in Windows 8/8.1

I can not believe that a company would be so stupid as to implement
something like this. I can just see someone in the middle of a power
point presentation, and the meeting put on hold while the forced up
date is installed.

I am not against updates, and install them as soon as it is convenient
for me, usually during breaks, and in the evening while I am watching
TV, getting read to go to bed.

Is there anyone on this newsgroup who has the real facts on the
upgrade situation in Windows 10.


This is for "restart" after a Windows Update comes in. By scheduling
a time, it means your machine is going to reboot no later than that.
So if you schedule for 10PM, and happen to reboot at 6PM anyway, then
it wouldn't need to reboot at 10PM. But the reboot can't be delayed
more than a certain amount (probably, a day).

http://www.howtogeek.com/221903/how-...in-windows-10/


The other aspect, is the "ring" system. For delaying major upgrades.
There is CB and CBB.

http://www.computerworld.com/article...customers.html


Paul

This will still be inconvenient. Say you are in the middle of a major
down load and MS decides that you need an upgrade, does the download
stop while the update downloads?

Because of the way I use my computer, I am on public access sites, ie
McDonald. Will I have the option of not downloading the update while I
am at MC Donald, and downloading when I am home.

What about if I am on a remote site paying by the amount of data I
download, As I understand what you are saying I will be forced to
download on the pay site, when I could wait and not pay for the update
data, at home.

If this is all so, then it is a significant reason NOT to install Windows 10

  #4  
Old July 16th 15, 04:01 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul
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Default Windows 10 Updates

Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 7/16/2015 9:52 AM, Paul wrote:
Keith Nuttle wrote:
From the news articles there has been a lot of flack about MS forcing
Windows 10 updates at MS's convenience. ie the user has no control of
when the updates are downloaded and installed.

So far I have accepted this as flack, similar to the "Fact" that
floated around the media that you would need third party software to
make CD/DVD in Windows 8/8.1

I can not believe that a company would be so stupid as to implement
something like this. I can just see someone in the middle of a power
point presentation, and the meeting put on hold while the forced up
date is installed.

I am not against updates, and install them as soon as it is convenient
for me, usually during breaks, and in the evening while I am watching
TV, getting read to go to bed.

Is there anyone on this newsgroup who has the real facts on the
upgrade situation in Windows 10.


This is for "restart" after a Windows Update comes in. By scheduling
a time, it means your machine is going to reboot no later than that.
So if you schedule for 10PM, and happen to reboot at 6PM anyway, then
it wouldn't need to reboot at 10PM. But the reboot can't be delayed
more than a certain amount (probably, a day).

http://www.howtogeek.com/221903/how-...in-windows-10/



The other aspect, is the "ring" system. For delaying major upgrades.
There is CB and CBB.

http://www.computerworld.com/article...customers.html



Paul

This will still be inconvenient. Say you are in the middle of a major
down load and MS decides that you need an upgrade, does the download
stop while the update downloads?

Because of the way I use my computer, I am on public access sites, ie
McDonald. Will I have the option of not downloading the update while I
am at MC Donald, and downloading when I am home.

What about if I am on a remote site paying by the amount of data I
download, As I understand what you are saying I will be forced to
download on the pay site, when I could wait and not pay for the update
data, at home.

If this is all so, then it is a significant reason NOT to install
Windows 10


One variable you can use, is to indicate to the OS that
you are on "metered Internet".

http://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/3...dows-10-a.html

"If you have a metered Internet connection, setting your
network connection to metered in Windows can help you reduce
the amount of data you send and receive."

"Windows Update will only download priority updates.
Apps downloading from the Windows Store might be paused.
Start screen and Start menu live tiles might stop updating.
Offline files might not sync automatically.
Ethernet network connections can't be set to metered."

So if a 500MB Update Rollup was coming in, that would
probably be stopped while you were at McDonalds. And start
up again when using your home (unmetered) connection.

When more than one LAN is available at a time, the
"metered" tick box and cost factor, might help decide
what percentage of traffic goes out on each interface.
So it's used for more than just "plugging a leak".

Paul
  #5  
Old July 16th 15, 04:19 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Bill[_40_]
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Posts: 346
Default Windows 10 Updates

In message , Keith Nuttle
writes
This will still be inconvenient. Say you are in the middle of a major
down load and MS decides that you need an upgrade, does the download
stop while the update downloads?

Because of the way I use my computer, I am on public access sites, ie
McDonald. Will I have the option of not downloading the update while
I am at MC Donald, and downloading when I am home.

What about if I am on a remote site paying by the amount of data I
download, As I understand what you are saying I will be forced to
download on the pay site, when I could wait and not pay for the update
data, at home.

If this is all so, then it is a significant reason NOT to install Windows 10


I understand why MS want to have a more or less uniform installation
standard around the world, but I have been giving negative feedback
since Update moved from the Control Panel to the dumb Services area.
I have huge worries about its effect on any of us who stream audio or
video even as amateurs. I occasionally need to record some audio
unattended in the early hours from abroad. Even if a reboot is delayed,
what will the effect be on the data stream while the download/install is
performed?

During the update to 10240, I was presented with terms and conditions. I
only had time for a quick read, but they contained statements about a
legal requirement to keep the OS updated. There were also references to
"Microsoft Advertising" without any description of what that
incorporated.

Today, I went looking for that agreement, but haven't been able to find
it. I think, but I don't know, that it might be different from the
"Insiders" agreement. It IS different from the Services agreement that
will be enforced from August 1st.
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  #6  
Old July 16th 15, 11:55 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul in Houston TX[_2_]
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Default Windows 10 Updates

Paul wrote:
Keith Nuttle wrote:

The other aspect, is the "ring" system. For delaying major upgrades.
There is CB and CBB.

http://www.computerworld.com/article...customers.html

Paul


"One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them,
One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them"

  #7  
Old July 17th 15, 02:30 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
lew
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Default Windows 10 Updates

On 2015-07-16, Bill wrote:
In message , Keith Nuttle
writes
This will still be inconvenient. Say you are in the middle of a major
down load and MS decides that you need an upgrade, does the download
stop while the update downloads?

Because of the way I use my computer, I am on public access sites, ie
McDonald. Will I have the option of not downloading the update while
I am at MC Donald, and downloading when I am home.

What about if I am on a remote site paying by the amount of data I
download, As I understand what you are saying I will be forced to
download on the pay site, when I could wait and not pay for the update
data, at home.

If this is all so, then it is a significant reason NOT to install Windows 10


I understand why MS want to have a more or less uniform installation
standard around the world, but I have been giving negative feedback
since Update moved from the Control Panel to the dumb Services area.
I have huge worries about its effect on any of us who stream audio or
video even as amateurs. I occasionally need to record some audio
unattended in the early hours from abroad. Even if a reboot is delayed,
what will the effect be on the data stream while the download/install is
performed?

During the update to 10240, I was presented with terms and conditions. I
only had time for a quick read, but they contained statements about a
legal requirement to keep the OS updated. There were also references to
"Microsoft Advertising" without any description of what that
incorporated.

Today, I went looking for that agreement, but haven't been able to find
it. I think, but I don't know, that it might be different from the
"Insiders" agreement. It IS different from the Services agreement that
will be enforced from August 1st.


The "update" isn't just for a restart. My laptop update got into
update mode while I was watching a video. There was no "warning";
just a dialogue box on a blank screen that popped up saying that win10
was being updated.

Would've been very unappy if I was doing something that needed to be
saved before the update.
  #8  
Old July 17th 15, 04:30 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
. . .winston
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Default Windows 10 Updates

Keith Nuttle wrote:
From the news articles there has been a lot of flack about MS forcing
Windows 10 updates at MS's convenience. ie the user has no control of
when the updates are downloaded and installed.

So far I have accepted this as flack, similar to the "Fact" that floated
around the media that you would need third party software to make CD/DVD
in Windows 8/8.1

I can not believe that a company would be so stupid as to implement
something like this. I can just see someone in the middle of a power
point presentation, and the meeting put on hold while the forced up date
is installed.

I am not against updates, and install them as soon as it is convenient
for me, usually during breaks, and in the evening while I am watching
TV, getting read to go to bed.

Is there anyone on this newsgroup who has the real facts on the upgrade
situation in Windows 10.


It doesn't necessarily work like that in Win10 (forced restart during use)

Windows 10 Home - updates are automatic, no user control
Windows 10 Pro - some user control to choose and delay till later, but
not forever for those MSFT determines as necessary.


With respect to 8/8.1 media - it did take MSFT some while to get there
ducks in a row (initial media availability was for retail
versions/product keys, then for the balance. Today the 8.1 Media
Creation Tool provides the ability to create 8.1 USB/DVD media to clean
install 8.1 using an 8.0 or 8.1 valid product key or reinstall on an
existing 8x without the key. If the device has the product key on
firmware (OEM o/s preinstalled), the product key is not necessary.

--
...winston
msft mvp windows experience
  #9  
Old July 17th 15, 04:39 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
. . .winston
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Default Windows 10 Updates

Bill wrote:

During the update to 10240, I was presented with terms and conditions. I
only had time for a quick read, but they contained statements about a
legal requirement to keep the OS updated. There were also references to
"Microsoft Advertising" without any description of what that incorporated.

Today, I went looking for that agreement, but haven't been able to find
it. I think, but I don't know, that it might be different from the
"Insiders" agreement. It IS different from the Services agreement that
will be enforced from August 1st.


That presentation Terms and Conditions was necessary because the prior
T&C was 'Preview' based...10240 was not.

The same info is in the license.rtf file on your machine.
- iirc off the top of my head System32/en-us/Licenses/subfolders
with Default, OEM, etc.
- Default = Retail
- OEM = Pre-installed o/s
....but the rtf contents for each Retail and OEM is the same




--
...winston
msft mvp windows experience
  #10  
Old July 17th 15, 04:41 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
. . .winston
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Default Windows 10 Updates

lew wrote:
On 2015-07-16, Bill wrote:
In message , Keith Nuttle
writes
This will still be inconvenient. Say you are in the middle of a major
down load and MS decides that you need an upgrade, does the download
stop while the update downloads?

Because of the way I use my computer, I am on public access sites, ie
McDonald. Will I have the option of not downloading the update while
I am at MC Donald, and downloading when I am home.

What about if I am on a remote site paying by the amount of data I
download, As I understand what you are saying I will be forced to
download on the pay site, when I could wait and not pay for the update
data, at home.

If this is all so, then it is a significant reason NOT to install Windows 10


I understand why MS want to have a more or less uniform installation
standard around the world, but I have been giving negative feedback
since Update moved from the Control Panel to the dumb Services area.
I have huge worries about its effect on any of us who stream audio or
video even as amateurs. I occasionally need to record some audio
unattended in the early hours from abroad. Even if a reboot is delayed,
what will the effect be on the data stream while the download/install is
performed?

During the update to 10240, I was presented with terms and conditions. I
only had time for a quick read, but they contained statements about a
legal requirement to keep the OS updated. There were also references to
"Microsoft Advertising" without any description of what that
incorporated.

Today, I went looking for that agreement, but haven't been able to find
it. I think, but I don't know, that it might be different from the
"Insiders" agreement. It IS different from the Services agreement that
will be enforced from August 1st.


The "update" isn't just for a restart. My laptop update got into
update mode while I was watching a video. There was no "warning";
just a dialogue box on a blank screen that popped up saying that win10
was being updated.

Would've been very unappy if I was doing something that needed to be
saved before the update.

Interesting in 10166, the 10240 update sat there waiting for me to
initiate it.


--
...winston
msft mvp windows experience
  #11  
Old July 17th 15, 02:32 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Char Jackson
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Default Windows 10 Updates

On Thu, 16 Jul 2015 11:01:28 -0400, Paul wrote:

Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 7/16/2015 9:52 AM, Paul wrote:
Keith Nuttle wrote:
From the news articles there has been a lot of flack about MS forcing
Windows 10 updates at MS's convenience. ie the user has no control of
when the updates are downloaded and installed.

So far I have accepted this as flack, similar to the "Fact" that
floated around the media that you would need third party software to
make CD/DVD in Windows 8/8.1

I can not believe that a company would be so stupid as to implement
something like this. I can just see someone in the middle of a power
point presentation, and the meeting put on hold while the forced up
date is installed.

I am not against updates, and install them as soon as it is convenient
for me, usually during breaks, and in the evening while I am watching
TV, getting read to go to bed.

Is there anyone on this newsgroup who has the real facts on the
upgrade situation in Windows 10.

This is for "restart" after a Windows Update comes in. By scheduling
a time, it means your machine is going to reboot no later than that.
So if you schedule for 10PM, and happen to reboot at 6PM anyway, then
it wouldn't need to reboot at 10PM. But the reboot can't be delayed
more than a certain amount (probably, a day).

http://www.howtogeek.com/221903/how-...in-windows-10/



The other aspect, is the "ring" system. For delaying major upgrades.
There is CB and CBB.

http://www.computerworld.com/article...customers.html



Paul

This will still be inconvenient. Say you are in the middle of a major
down load and MS decides that you need an upgrade, does the download
stop while the update downloads?

Because of the way I use my computer, I am on public access sites, ie
McDonald. Will I have the option of not downloading the update while I
am at MC Donald, and downloading when I am home.

What about if I am on a remote site paying by the amount of data I
download, As I understand what you are saying I will be forced to
download on the pay site, when I could wait and not pay for the update
data, at home.

If this is all so, then it is a significant reason NOT to install
Windows 10


One variable you can use, is to indicate to the OS that
you are on "metered Internet".

http://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/3...dows-10-a.html

"If you have a metered Internet connection, setting your
network connection to metered in Windows can help you reduce
the amount of data you send and receive."

"Windows Update will only download priority updates.
Apps downloading from the Windows Store might be paused.
Start screen and Start menu live tiles might stop updating.
Offline files might not sync automatically.
Ethernet network connections can't be set to metered."

So if a 500MB Update Rollup was coming in, that would
probably be stopped while you were at McDonalds. And start
up again when using your home (unmetered) connection.

When more than one LAN is available at a time, the
"metered" tick box and cost factor, might help decide
what percentage of traffic goes out on each interface.
So it's used for more than just "plugging a leak".


Up through 8.x, when two network connections are available and connected,
Windows will send all traffic across *one* of those connections. Wired
connections receive a lower metric than wireless, but even within either of
those categories one will be preferred over the other(s). The only way that
I know to use more than one network connection at a time, and it's easy
enough to do, is to add one or more static routes to the routing table. I'm
not sure if 10 is different in this regard. Sounds like it might be.

route add -p blah blah blah

  #12  
Old July 17th 15, 08:16 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
lew
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On 2015-07-17, . . .winston wrote:
lew wrote:



The "update" isn't just for a restart. My laptop update got into
update mode while I was watching a video. There was no "warning";
just a dialogue box on a blank screen that popped up saying that win10
was being updated.

Would've been very unappy if I was doing something that needed to be
saved before the update.

Interesting in 10166, the 10240 update sat there waiting for me to
initiate it.



This happened on my laptop with the version prior to the 100130 I
got as a "slow" insider; don't recall what the version was. Must say
that the laptop is only used on some evenings for watching anime;
& it could have been a couple of days since the last time the laptop
was booted up, but still wasn't a pleasant experience as the 1st
reaction was "oh NO, a virus!".
 




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