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Windows 10: Good choice!
On 17/07/2015 10:37 pm, Johnny wrote:
On Fri, 17 Jul 2015 21:46:12 +0100 "Jack Smith" wrote: We're almost in July 29, which system should a beginner choose, let's say a young customer? We only have available Windows 8.1 and soon the last great masterpiece from MS, Windows 10. Or we choose an Android tablet to go. Android is suitable for playing and surfing the web, but to work, in my opinion, Windows is better. So to those who doesn't like Windows 8.1 the time is now to go for the brand new Windows 10. And what about older people? Should they quit the job? I guess we're not wanted anymore. Why keep trying to use Windows 7 or XP if those system will be discontinued? Should older people go for Linux and start learning a new system? I suppose that's not kind for us. Maybe the solution is getting Windows 8.1 while it is still available on market and accept we've been overcome. We already belong to the past. Then where should we go with our old fashion systems? Who will care talking to people with ghost systems? My prognostic is Windows 10 is the beginning of a new age for entertainment technology and I'm out. In my opinion Windows 10 is the beginning of the end for Microsoft. Windows 7 was the best operating system they ever produced, and they have been going downhill since. I would suggest changing to Linux Mint 17.1 KDE. I have been using it for a year and a half after giving up on Microsoft, and love it. http://www.linuxmint.com/release.php?id=23 You can also subscribe to alt.os.linux.mint and get all the help you need to learn how to use it. The problems people have when changing from Windows to Linux, are caused by using the Command Line Interface before learning how to use it properly, but with Linux Mint KDE the command line is not necessary. Every thing can be done from System Settings and the Panel menu. I have to admit it takes a while to learn how to use Linux without screwing it up to the point it is useless, and I'm sure it would be the same for someone learning to use Windows 8 for the first time. Where Linux Mint really has Microsoft beat is installing the operating system, and updating it. I can do it in about twenty minutes, compared to two hours for Windows 7. Firefox is the the browser for Linux Mint, and you can install Thunderbird. The problem is that Photoshop Elements, Pinnacle Studio, most games, and hundreds of other programs that folk already use *don't* run on Linux. I use LMDE on my old laptop because the pension wouldn't run to Windows 7. It is fine for surfing the web and e-mail (once you've mastered the long and complicated process of finding drivers for all the old WiFi chips and 3G dongles and installing them - a nightmare to non-Linux buffs, especially as you have to learn a completely new command line language first) but it is bugger all use for anything else. It's an excellent O/S, but the lack of usable software restricts it is use to that of a novelty toy. If a few more tens of millions people start using it (and Windows 10 is as good a way to ensure that as possible) it may one day become a practical system - but it won't be in my lifetime. -- Bob Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England You know you're old when "getting lucky" means finding your car in the car park. |
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Windows 10: Good choice!
On Fri, 17 Jul 2015 18:40:17 -0400, Slimer wrote:
Just what advantages does Windows 10 present over Windows 7? I haven't used it yet so I can't comment on it. But you know "Windows 10 is going to behave like Windows 7 did." Do you have a source to support this claim? -- s|b |
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Windows 10: Good choice!
On 07/18/2015 01:46 AM, Roderick Stewart wrote:
[snip] I can only guess from this that you haven't used Linux recently. Even if you do think it's buggy, there's still another 5 years before you need to find an alternative to Windows 7, and who knows what will be available then. It's unlikely Win 7 will become unusable right away. It could be usable for 2 years or more after that "end of life". Rod. -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.us/ "Is man one of God's blunders, or is God one of man's blunders?" [Nietzsche] |
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Windows 10: Good choice!
On 07/18/2015 03:20 AM, Bob Henson wrote:
[snip] It is fine for surfing the web and e-mail (once you've mastered the long and complicated process of finding drivers for all the old WiFi chips and 3G dongles and installing them ALL of them? Why not just the ones you use? - a nightmare to non-Linux buffs, especially as you have to learn a completely new command line language first) but it is bugger all use for anything else. [snip] -- "Belief in gods and belief in ghosts is identical. God is taken as a more respectable word than ghost, but it means no more." [E. Haldeman-Julius, "The Meaning Of Atheism"] |
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Windows 10: Good choice!
On 18/07/2015 2:35 pm, Sam E wrote:
On 07/18/2015 03:20 AM, Bob Henson wrote: [snip] It is fine for surfing the web and e-mail (once you've mastered the long and complicated process of finding drivers for all the old WiFi chips and 3G dongles and installing them ALL of them? Why not just the ones you use? - a nightmare to non-Linux buffs, especially as you have to learn a completely new command line language first) but it is bugger all use for anything else. [snip] Sorry, bad editing - I changed that bit and left an unintentional "all" in there. I only had to deal with three different ones, but I'll bet there are a lot more out there. It seemed like a lot more after all the hassle. -- Bob Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England Doctor: I don't like the looks of your wife at all. Husband: Me neither doc, but she's a great cook and really good with the kids. |
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Windows 10: Good choice!
On Sat, 18 Jul 2015 02:46:50 -0400, Roderick Stewart
wrote: On Fri, 17 Jul 2015 17:23:57 -0400, Slimer wrote: Windows 10 is going to behave like Windows 7 did. If you liked 7, you'll like 10. I like 7 but don't like 10. Is there something wrong? Perhaps you're a minimalist. I guess I'll be able to explain it better once Windows 10 is installed n my system. Alternatively, you can use Linux but you're setting yourself up for a crapload of compromises with the amateur, buggy mess of code it offers. I can only guess from this that you haven't used Linux recently. Even if you do think it's buggy, there's still another 5 years before you need to find an alternative to Windows 7, and who knows what will be available then. I've used Linux on and off even recently. This is the operating system which, on my previous laptop, wouldn't wake from sleep, wouldn't shut down properly, caused screen tearing in games (with the proprietary drivers), wouldn't boot to desktop after an update, had a kernel which caused data loss (kernel 4), would support my printer if connected directly but wouldn't work if connected wirelessly, etc.. If you use it for more than just an hour or two, you encounter the problems and they pile up quite quickly. -- Slimer Linux imbecile makes ridiculous statement about Youtube comments: http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/block-youtube-comments |
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Windows 10: Good choice!
On Sat, 18 Jul 2015 08:37:24 -0400, s|b wrote:
On Fri, 17 Jul 2015 18:40:17 -0400, Slimer wrote: Just what advantages does Windows 10 present over Windows 7? I haven't used it yet so I can't comment on it. But you know "Windows 10 is going to behave like Windows 7 did." Do you have a source to support this claim? Maximum PC. I don't recall which month it was, but its article essentially told the reader that 10 is a brilliant compromise between 8 and 7 which should appeal to everyone. From the way it was used, it was clear that a devoted user of 7 wouldn't feel alienated in using it. -- Slimer Linux imbecile makes ridiculous statement about Youtube comments: http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/block-youtube-comments |
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Windows 10: Good choice!
On Sat, 18 Jul 2015 12:21:48 -0400, Slimer wrote:
On Sat, 18 Jul 2015 08:37:24 -0400, s|b wrote: On Fri, 17 Jul 2015 18:40:17 -0400, Slimer wrote: Just what advantages does Windows 10 present over Windows 7? I haven't used it yet so I can't comment on it. But you know "Windows 10 is going to behave like Windows 7 did." Do you have a source to support this claim? Maximum PC. I don't recall which month it was, but its article essentially told the reader that 10 is a brilliant compromise between 8 and 7 which should appeal to everyone. From the way it was used, it was clear that a devoted user of 7 wouldn't feel alienated in using it. In other words, total rubbish. (Them, not you.) |
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Windows 10: Good choice!
On Sat, 18 Jul 2015 14:37:24 +0200, "s|b" wrote:
On Fri, 17 Jul 2015 18:40:17 -0400, Slimer wrote: Just what advantages does Windows 10 present over Windows 7? I haven't used it yet so I can't comment on it. But you know "Windows 10 is going to behave like Windows 7 did." Do you have a source to support this claim? I wondered the same. ;-) |
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Windows 10: Good choice!
On Sat, 18 Jul 2015 16:23:32 -0400, Char Jackson wrote:
On Sat, 18 Jul 2015 12:21:48 -0400, Slimer wrote: On Sat, 18 Jul 2015 08:37:24 -0400, s|b wrote: On Fri, 17 Jul 2015 18:40:17 -0400, Slimer wrote: Just what advantages does Windows 10 present over Windows 7? I haven't used it yet so I can't comment on it. But you know "Windows 10 is going to behave like Windows 7 did." Do you have a source to support this claim? Maximum PC. I don't recall which month it was, but its article essentially told the reader that 10 is a brilliant compromise between 8 and 7 which should appeal to everyone. From the way it was used, it was clear that a devoted user of 7 wouldn't feel alienated in using it. In other words, total rubbish. (Them, not you.) I won't be able to confirm until the new release is installed on July 29th. However, from what I've seen, it doesn't operate too differently. Obviously, there are new features for someone who never bothered with Windows 8, but they shouldn't be too intimidating. -- Slimer Linux imbecile Peter "der Klöwn" Köhlmann https://plus.google.com/109168722444410572286 makes statement about Youtube comments http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/block-youtube-comments in what has proven to be the dumbest statement in the history of USENET. Further proof that Linux causes the brain to prematurely rot. |
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Windows 10: Good choice!
Slimer wrote:
I won't be able to confirm until the new release is installed on July 29th. However, from what I've seen, it doesn't operate too differently. Obviously, there are new features for someone who never bothered with Windows 8, but they shouldn't be too intimidating. You should have been using the Preview, so you'd be prepared. It would have given you time to do some testing. My copy won't be going online again, until I find a recipe for making an ISO from the 10240 update files. Paul |
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Windows 10: Good choice!
On Sat, 18 Jul 2015 17:24:39 -0400
Paul wrote: Slimer wrote: I won't be able to confirm until the new release is installed on July 29th. However, from what I've seen, it doesn't operate too differently. Obviously, there are new features for someone who never bothered with Windows 8, but they shouldn't be too intimidating. You should have been using the Preview, so you'd be prepared. It would have given you time to do some testing. My copy won't be going online again, until I find a recipe for making an ISO from the 10240 update files. Paul I did a search for "create windows 10 iso", and this is what I found: http://news.softpedia.com/news/How-t...O-463120.shtml http://pureinfotech.com/2014/10/24/w...preview-build/ |
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Windows 10: Good choice!
On Sat, 18 Jul 2015 09:20:34 +0100, Bob Henson
wrote: The problem is that Photoshop Elements, Pinnacle Studio, most games, and hundreds of other programs that folk already use *don't* run on Linux. The solution is that there are almost certainly other programs that do the same things. You need to think about tasks rather than named programs. For some of the commonest tasks, there are even versions of the same programs for both systems, so if you change systems you can carry on using what you're already accustomed to. Rod. |
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Windows 10: Good choice!
Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Sat, 18 Jul 2015 09:20:34 +0100, Bob Henson wrote: The problem is that Photoshop Elements, Pinnacle Studio, most games, and hundreds of other programs that folk already use *don't* run on Linux. The solution is that there are almost certainly other programs that do the same things. You need to think about tasks rather than named programs. For some of the commonest tasks, there are even versions of the same programs for both systems, so if you change systems you can carry on using what you're already accustomed to. Rod. Flame bate noted. And not worth the effort. Paul |
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Windows 10: Good choice!
Johnny wrote:
On Sat, 18 Jul 2015 17:24:39 -0400 Paul wrote: Slimer wrote: I won't be able to confirm until the new release is installed on July 29th. However, from what I've seen, it doesn't operate too differently. Obviously, there are new features for someone who never bothered with Windows 8, but they shouldn't be too intimidating. You should have been using the Preview, so you'd be prepared. It would have given you time to do some testing. My copy won't be going online again, until I find a recipe for making an ISO from the 10240 update files. Paul I did a search for "create windows 10 iso", and this is what I found: http://news.softpedia.com/news/How-t...O-463120.shtml http://pureinfotech.com/2014/10/24/w...preview-build/ Interesting :-) When I last left that story, people were "pondering" just what sort of encryption was being used. The key was deposited in some file during the download. And yet, the comments so far don't seem to suggest that key is even being consulted. (Looks like it is inside the file now.) It's a rather large folder of files, just to decrypt. And also, the requirement to decrypt as Admin seems a bit strange. There's no need to repack the files, unless the encryption is also done file-by-file inside. I thought just the outer shell was encrypted. I see the "esddecrypt.exe" appears to be the home-brew part, judging by the file properties. Anyway, it might be a while before I get there. Too many interesting projects :-) Thx for the links... Paul |
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