Scanning to Windows Mail

Ralph Fox wrote in
:

On Tue, 30 May 2017 19:40:09 -0000 (UTC), Boris wrote:

Good Guy wrote in
news
On 30/05/2017 17:17, Boris wrote:
I have an Epson XP-430 WiFi printer/scanner/copier, connected
wirelessly to my home network. When I 'scan a document to email'
wirelessly from the printer to my XP pc, Outlook Express
automatically opens up with the scanned document attached, ready to
address and send. Great.

However, when I try to do the same using my wife's Windows 10
laptop, no go. She has Mail as the one and only email program, but
Windows 10 keeps opening up an Outlook dialog box. Mail is the
default.

Epson doesn't have a clue.
Is it likely the Default APP is still Outlook for reasons I can't
explain? Go to:

Settings Apps

http://i.imgur.com/ij2SQNs.png http://i.imgur.com/ij2SQNs.png

then look for something like this:

http://i.imgur.com/2yecpVM.png http://i.imgur.com/2yecpVM.png



Yeah, been there, etc, and Mail is the default app. I'll have to mess
around some more and see what's up. I did send a note to Epson
support, but they replied with irrelevant FAQs.


A general "the default" is not targeted enough.


When looking at the default program associations for Windows Mail...

Screen-shot --- http://i.imgur.com/DAZ6JsT.gif Â*

1) Is there a sub-heading "MAPI" here, or not?
(If present, it will be below the sub-heading "Protocols".)
2) Under MAPI, is there a check-box labelled "Send email" ?
3) Is that "Send email" check-box checked?

Control Panel Programs Default Programs Set your default
programs (select Windows Mail) Choose defaults for this program


The other "default" stuff is not relevant to this particular issue.



Thanks for the reply.

Here are snips of both the settings:
http://imgur.com/a/7sRwt

Mail is set for all protocols,however I see there is no Send To option,
let alone a MAPI protocol. So, that's why Mail won't accept a Send To
command from the Epson scanner.


Outlook (which is not set as default, and my wife doesn't use, and I
didn't even know wife had it on her laptop), does have MAPI Send To
enabled. That's why the Epson scanner keeps opening Outlook!

Paul wrote in news
Ralph Fox wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2017 19:40:09 -0000 (UTC), Boris wrote:

Good Guy wrote in
news
On 30/05/2017 17:17, Boris wrote:
I have an Epson XP-430 WiFi printer/scanner/copier, connected
wirelessly to my home network. When I 'scan a document to email'
wirelessly from the printer to my XP pc, Outlook Express
automatically opens up with the scanned document attached, ready
to address and send. Great.

However, when I try to do the same using my wife's Windows 10
laptop, no go. She has Mail as the one and only email program,
but Windows 10 keeps opening up an Outlook dialog box. Mail is
the default.

Epson doesn't have a clue.
Is it likely the Default APP is still Outlook for reasons I can't
explain? Go to:

Settings Apps

http://i.imgur.com/ij2SQNs.png http://i.imgur.com/ij2SQNs.png

then look for something like this:

http://i.imgur.com/2yecpVM.png http://i.imgur.com/2yecpVM.png


Yeah, been there, etc, and Mail is the default app. I'll have to
mess around some more and see what's up. I did send a note to Epson
support, but they replied with irrelevant FAQs.


A general "the default" is not targeted enough.


When looking at the default program associations for Windows Mail...

Screen-shot --- http://i.imgur.com/DAZ6JsT.gif

1) Is there a sub-heading "MAPI" here, or not?
(If present, it will be below the sub-heading "Protocols".)
2) Under MAPI, is there a check-box labelled "Send email" ?
3) Is that "Send email" check-box checked?

Control Panel Programs Default Programs Set your default
programs (select Windows Mail) Choose defaults for this program


The other "default" stuff is not relevant to this particular issue.

I think Boris is referring to this one. The "Mail.app" that
comes with Windows 10. The one that's more of a social butterfly
than an actual mail tool. The design objective is to suck
as many account details out of you as possible - Mail becomes
your Hub or something.

https://s12.postimg.org/m9edqqa5p/MSMail.gif

Paul

Yep, Mail is a pretty interface and easy to use. I can see why it sucks
you in. I kinda like it, but don't trust it, even though telemetry is
shut down as much as possible, as much as I know.

Dave Doe wrote in
:

In article 8,
lid, Boris says...

I have an Epson XP-430 WiFi printer/scanner/copier, connected
wirelessly to my home network. When I 'scan a document to email'
wirelessly from the printer to my XP pc, Outlook Express
automatically opens up with the scanned document attached, ready to
address and send. Great.

However, when I try to do the same using my wife's Windows 10 laptop,
no go. She has Mail as the one and only email program, but Windows
10 keeps opening up an Outlook dialog box. Mail is the default.

Epson doesn't have a clue.

It probably requires a MAPI compliant mail program. And I'm fairly
sure Win 10 Mail is not.


I have discovered that you are correct.

You could purchase Outlook (or rent it - Office 365), or for free,
install Mozilla Thunderbird.


I run Thunderbird on my laptop for newsgroups, and will set up for
email.

Paul wrote in news
Boris wrote:
Dave Doe wrote in
:

In article 8,
lid, Boris says...
I have an Epson XP-430 WiFi printer/scanner/copier, connected
wirelessly to my home network. When I 'scan a document to email'
wirelessly from the printer to my XP pc, Outlook Express
automatically opens up with the scanned document attached, ready to
address and send. Great.

However, when I try to do the same using my wife's Windows 10
laptop, no go. She has Mail as the one and only email program, but
Windows 10 keeps opening up an Outlook dialog box. Mail is the
default.

Epson doesn't have a clue.
It probably requires a MAPI compliant mail program. And I'm fairly
sure Win 10 Mail is not.

You could purchase Outlook (or rent it - Office 365), or for free,
install Mozilla Thunderbird.


Hi,

The installed Epson drivers state that they work with XP through
Windows 10. Also, here are the Scan to Computer (Email) requirements
from the User's Guide:

"Scan to Computer (Email) scans your original and attaches it to a
message in your e-mail program. You can select the e-mail program you
want to use and resize your image, if necessary, from an option
screen on your computer."

"Note: This works with MAPI-type email such as Microsoft Outlook,
Windows Live Mail, Mac Mail, and Entourage, but not web-based email
such as Gmail."

Odd that it says it works with MAPI, because my XP/Outlook Express is
set up POP3, and it works great. However, my wife's Windows 10 Mail
is indeed set up MAPI, and it doesn't work.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pop3
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intern...ccess_Protocol
[IMAP, nemesis of POP3]

*******

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAPI

"a Component Object Model [COM] based API for Microsoft Windows.

MAPI allows client programs to become (e-mail) messaging-enabled,
-aware, or -based by calling MAPI subsystem routines that
interface with certain messaging servers."

COM is how two Windows Programs can talk to one another. The Scan To
Email, is the scanner program using COM to talk to the email program.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Component_Object_Model

"It is used to enable inter-process communication object creation
in a large range of programming languages."

Don't ask me how you can tell from the outside of a program,
what it supports on stuff like that.

HTH,
Paul


I see. Thanks for that.

VanguardLH wrote in :

Boris wrote:

The installed Epson drivers state that they work with XP through
Windows 10. Also, here are the Scan to Computer (Email) requirements
from the User's Guide:

"Scan to Computer (Email) scans your original and attaches it to a
message in your e-mail program. You can select the e-mail program you
want to use and resize your image, if necessary, from an option
screen on your computer."

"Note: This works with MAPI-type email such as Microsoft Outlook,
Windows Live Mail, Mac Mail, and Entourage, but not web-based email
such as Gmail."

Odd that it says it works with MAPI, because my XP/Outlook Express is
set up POP3, and it works great.

MAPI = Mail API, a programming interface between client process via
library function to call the default e-mail client.

That has nothing to do with the e-mail protocol (POP, IMAP, SMTP) used
by the client and server to communicate to each other.


Got it.

Outlook Express is *not* a MAPI client. It is, however, a Simple MAPI
client (a subset of 12 functions from the MAPI spec). That means it
has some of the functions of MAPI but not all.

So it must have the MAPI function Send To.

MS Outlook is an
Extended MAPI client (all MAPI functions).

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...ences-between-
cdo
,-simple-mapi,-and-extended-mapi

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAPI

Here is the list of Simple MAPI functions that Outlook Express
supports:

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/lib...sktop/dd296728
(v=vs.
85).aspx

In particular, Outlook Express with Simple MAPI support will recognize
the MAPISendDocuments() function to send a standard message with one,
or more, attached files.

Ahhh...explains what I see.


I highly doubt the Microsoft Mail client is a [Simple] MAPI client.
Passing a file using the attach[ment] argument in a mailto command has
nothing to do with MAPI. The Send To - Mail Recipient uses the
MAPI/Send Mail association aka Send Mail command. From my reading,
the Windows 10 Mail app only uses the mailto association so it cannot
be configured as the recipient of a Send Mail command.

OK.


How Epson is sending the file to the local default e-mail client (via
mailto w/attach argument or [Simple] MAPI) is unknown. You could ask
them but you'll need to get past that 1st-level tech reading canned
responsed from a keyword knowledgebase.

Canned, yes, he read me the quote from the user's manual that I first
quoted to him.

Funny, upon further questioning, he put me on hold as he asked the
second level guy, and came back and just said it won't work, but you
could save to desktop and then attach to email. Well, yes, I could.


However, my wife's Windows 10 Mail is indeed set up MAPI, and it
doesn't work.

I'm guessing you flipped the position of "I" and meant your wife's MS
Mail client is configured to use *IMAP*

Yes, I did, my error, and I was embarrassed when I saw it. The older I
get, the more dyslexic I get. I now check strings of numbers for
transpos.

for her e-mail account due in
part that MS Mail doesn't do POP (Post Office Protocol). IMAP is not
MAPI despite they use the same letters in their acronyms.

IMAP = Internet Messaging Access Protocol
MAPI = Mail Application Program Interface

Because MS Mail does not support MAPI, because Epson apparently uses
MAPI, and because the attach argument in mailto is not standard (not
defined per RFC), your wife will have to save the file and then use
her e-mail client's function to attach the file.

Yes,.

Thanks for the reply.

Dave Doe wrote in
:

In article 8,
lid, Boris says...

Dave Doe wrote in
:

In article 8,
lid, Boris says...

I have an Epson XP-430 WiFi printer/scanner/copier, connected
wirelessly to my home network. When I 'scan a document to email'
wirelessly from the printer to my XP pc, Outlook Express
automatically opens up with the scanned document attached, ready
to address and send. Great.

However, when I try to do the same using my wife's Windows 10
laptop, no go. She has Mail as the one and only email program,
but Windows 10 keeps opening up an Outlook dialog box. Mail is
the default.

Epson doesn't have a clue.

It probably requires a MAPI compliant mail program. And I'm fairly
sure Win 10 Mail is not.

You could purchase Outlook (or rent it - Office 365), or for free,
install Mozilla Thunderbird.


Hi,

The installed Epson drivers state that they work with XP through
Windows 10. Also, here are the Scan to Computer (Email) requirements
from the User's Guide:

"Scan to Computer (Email) scans your original and attaches it to a
message in your e-mail program. You can select the e-mail program you
want to use and resize your image, if necessary, from an option
screen on your computer."

"Note: This works with MAPI-type email such as Microsoft Outlook,
Windows Live Mail, Mac Mail, and Entourage, but not web-based email
such as Gmail."

Odd that it says it works with MAPI, because my XP/Outlook Express is
set up POP3, and it works great. However, my wife's Windows 10 Mail
is indeed set up MAPI, and it doesn't work.

MAPI is an interface protocol. Outlook Express is *partly* MAPI
compliant. I don't think Win 10 Mail is at all

I have found you are correct.

Hey Microsoft, your Win10 Mail app sucks!

Yes, it does, and for other reasons, too.

In article 8,
lid, Boris says...

Ralph Fox wrote in
:

On Tue, 30 May 2017 19:40:09 -0000 (UTC), Boris wrote:

Good Guy wrote in
news
On 30/05/2017 17:17, Boris wrote:
I have an Epson XP-430 WiFi printer/scanner/copier, connected
wirelessly to my home network. When I 'scan a document to email'
wirelessly from the printer to my XP pc, Outlook Express
automatically opens up with the scanned document attached, ready to
address and send. Great.

However, when I try to do the same using my wife's Windows 10
laptop, no go. She has Mail as the one and only email program, but
Windows 10 keeps opening up an Outlook dialog box. Mail is the
default.

Epson doesn't have a clue.
Is it likely the Default APP is still Outlook for reasons I can't
explain? Go to:

Settings Apps

http://i.imgur.com/ij2SQNs.png http://i.imgur.com/ij2SQNs.png

then look for something like this:

http://i.imgur.com/2yecpVM.png http://i.imgur.com/2yecpVM.png



Yeah, been there, etc, and Mail is the default app. I'll have to mess
around some more and see what's up. I did send a note to Epson
support, but they replied with irrelevant FAQs.


A general "the default" is not targeted enough.


When looking at the default program associations for Windows Mail...

Screen-shot --- http://i.imgur.com/DAZ6JsT.gif Â*

1) Is there a sub-heading "MAPI" here, or not?
(If present, it will be below the sub-heading "Protocols".)
2) Under MAPI, is there a check-box labelled "Send email" ?
3) Is that "Send email" check-box checked?

Control Panel Programs Default Programs Set your default
programs (select Windows Mail) Choose defaults for this program


The other "default" stuff is not relevant to this particular issue.



Thanks for the reply.

Here are snips of both the settings:
http://imgur.com/a/7sRwt

Mail is set for all protocols,however I see there is no Send To option,
let alone a MAPI protocol. So, that's why Mail won't accept a Send To
command from the Epson scanner.

Yep!

Outlook (which is not set as default, and my wife doesn't use, and I
didn't even know wife had it on her laptop), does have MAPI Send To
enabled. That's why the Epson scanner keeps opening Outlook!

Use Outlook!

It's way better than W10 Mail anyway


--
Duncan.

In article 8,
lid, Boris says...

Dave Doe wrote in
:

In article 8,
lid, Boris says...

I have an Epson XP-430 WiFi printer/scanner/copier, connected
wirelessly to my home network. When I 'scan a document to email'
wirelessly from the printer to my XP pc, Outlook Express
automatically opens up with the scanned document attached, ready to
address and send. Great.

However, when I try to do the same using my wife's Windows 10 laptop,
no go. She has Mail as the one and only email program, but Windows
10 keeps opening up an Outlook dialog box. Mail is the default.

Epson doesn't have a clue.

It probably requires a MAPI compliant mail program. And I'm fairly
sure Win 10 Mail is not.


I have discovered that you are correct.

You could purchase Outlook (or rent it - Office 365), or for free,
install Mozilla Thunderbird.


I run Thunderbird on my laptop for newsgroups, and will set up for
email.

That'll work. It's not my favourite e-mail program, but that's just me


If you have Outlook on your PC, I'd recomend you use that. If I
understand correctly, it's only on your wife's PC? Yep, it's fully MAPI
compliant and scan-to-e-mail will work for her.

But, from what I gather, you don't have Outlook? If you're stuck for a
MAPI compliant e-mail program on *your* PC, then yep, Thunderbird will
do the job.

--
Duncan.

In article 8,
lid, Boris says...

Dave Doe wrote in
:

In article 8,
lid, Boris says...

Dave Doe wrote in
:

In article 8,
lid, Boris says...

I have an Epson XP-430 WiFi printer/scanner/copier, connected
wirelessly to my home network. When I 'scan a document to email'
wirelessly from the printer to my XP pc, Outlook Express
automatically opens up with the scanned document attached, ready
to address and send. Great.

However, when I try to do the same using my wife's Windows 10
laptop, no go. She has Mail as the one and only email program,
but Windows 10 keeps opening up an Outlook dialog box. Mail is
the default.

Epson doesn't have a clue.

It probably requires a MAPI compliant mail program. And I'm fairly
sure Win 10 Mail is not.

You could purchase Outlook (or rent it - Office 365), or for free,
install Mozilla Thunderbird.


Hi,

The installed Epson drivers state that they work with XP through
Windows 10. Also, here are the Scan to Computer (Email) requirements
from the User's Guide:

"Scan to Computer (Email) scans your original and attaches it to a
message in your e-mail program. You can select the e-mail program you
want to use and resize your image, if necessary, from an option
screen on your computer."

"Note: This works with MAPI-type email such as Microsoft Outlook,
Windows Live Mail, Mac Mail, and Entourage, but not web-based email
such as Gmail."

Odd that it says it works with MAPI, because my XP/Outlook Express is
set up POP3, and it works great. However, my wife's Windows 10 Mail
is indeed set up MAPI, and it doesn't work.

MAPI is an interface protocol. Outlook Express is *partly* MAPI
compliant. I don't think Win 10 Mail is at all

I have found you are correct.

Hey Microsoft, your Win10 Mail app sucks!

Yes, it does, and for other reasons, too.

Yes, was it you or someone else? - mentioned that W10 Mail does not do
POP/SMTP "leave e-mail on the server" function.

That said, IMAP is the way to go, IMO, for e-mail apps thesedays. Keeps
everything in sync on all your PC's and devices you use to connect to
mail servers. Isn't that what we all want?

--
Duncan.

Dave Doe wrote in news:MPG.339a282790928e58989dd4
@news.eternal-september.org:

In article 8,
lid, Boris says...

Ralph Fox wrote in
:

On Tue, 30 May 2017 19:40:09 -0000 (UTC), Boris wrote:

Good Guy wrote in
news
On 30/05/2017 17:17, Boris wrote:
I have an Epson XP-430 WiFi printer/scanner/copier, connected
wirelessly to my home network. When I 'scan a document to
email'
wirelessly from the printer to my XP pc, Outlook Express
automatically opens up with the scanned document attached, ready
to
address and send. Great.

However, when I try to do the same using my wife's Windows 10
laptop, no go. She has Mail as the one and only email program,
but
Windows 10 keeps opening up an Outlook dialog box. Mail is the
default.

Epson doesn't have a clue.
Is it likely the Default APP is still Outlook for reasons I can't
explain? Go to:

Settings Apps

http://i.imgur.com/ij2SQNs.png http://i.imgur.com/ij2SQNs.png

then look for something like this:

http://i.imgur.com/2yecpVM.png http://i.imgur.com/2yecpVM.png



Yeah, been there, etc, and Mail is the default app. I'll have to
mess
around some more and see what's up. I did send a note to Epson
support, but they replied with irrelevant FAQs.


A general "the default" is not targeted enough.


When looking at the default program associations for Windows
Mail...

Screen-shot --- http://i.imgur.com/DAZ6JsT.gif Â*

1) Is there a sub-heading "MAPI" here, or not?
(If present, it will be below the sub-heading "Protocols".)
2) Under MAPI, is there a check-box labelled "Send email" ?
3) Is that "Send email" check-box checked?

Control Panel Programs Default Programs Set your default
programs (select Windows Mail) Choose defaults for this
program


The other "default" stuff is not relevant to this particular issue.



Thanks for the reply.

Here are snips of both the settings:
http://imgur.com/a/7sRwt

Mail is set for all protocols,however I see there is no Send To
option,
let alone a MAPI protocol. So, that's why Mail won't accept a Send
To
command from the Epson scanner.

Yep!

Outlook (which is not set as default, and my wife doesn't use, and I
didn't even know wife had it on her laptop), does have MAPI Send To
enabled. That's why the Epson scanner keeps opening Outlook!

Use Outlook!

I used Outlook in a corporate environment for decades. Never liked it.

It's way better than W10 Mail anyway

Dave Doe wrote in news:MPG.339a2981183e532a989dd6
@news.eternal-september.org:

In article 8,
lid, Boris says...

Dave Doe wrote in
:

In article 8,
lid, Boris says...

Dave Doe wrote in
:

In article 8,
lid, Boris says...

I have an Epson XP-430 WiFi printer/scanner/copier, connected
wirelessly to my home network. When I 'scan a document to
email'
wirelessly from the printer to my XP pc, Outlook Express
automatically opens up with the scanned document attached,
ready
to address and send. Great.

However, when I try to do the same using my wife's Windows 10
laptop, no go. She has Mail as the one and only email program,
but Windows 10 keeps opening up an Outlook dialog box. Mail is
the default.

Epson doesn't have a clue.

It probably requires a MAPI compliant mail program. And I'm
fairly
sure Win 10 Mail is not.

You could purchase Outlook (or rent it - Office 365), or for
free,
install Mozilla Thunderbird.


Hi,

The installed Epson drivers state that they work with XP through
Windows 10. Also, here are the Scan to Computer (Email)
requirements
from the User's Guide:

"Scan to Computer (Email) scans your original and attaches it to
a
message in your e-mail program. You can select the e-mail program
you
want to use and resize your image, if necessary, from an option
screen on your computer."

"Note: This works with MAPI-type email such as Microsoft Outlook,
Windows Live Mail, Mac Mail, and Entourage, but not web-based
email
such as Gmail."

Odd that it says it works with MAPI, because my XP/Outlook Express
is
set up POP3, and it works great. However, my wife's Windows 10
Mail
is indeed set up MAPI, and it doesn't work.

MAPI is an interface protocol. Outlook Express is *partly* MAPI
compliant. I don't think Win 10 Mail is at all

I have found you are correct.

Hey Microsoft, your Win10 Mail app sucks!

Yes, it does, and for other reasons, too.

Yes, was it you or someone else? - mentioned that W10 Mail does not do
POP/SMTP "leave e-mail on the server" function.

That was me.

That said, IMAP is the way to go, IMO, for e-mail apps thesedays.
Keeps
everything in sync on all your PC's and devices you use to connect to
mail servers. Isn't that what we all want?

Not me. I want mail left on server when I delete from any email client.

Dave Doe wrote in news:MPG.339a28c9e870eb6b989dd5
@news.eternal-september.org:

In article 8,
lid, Boris says...

Dave Doe wrote in
:

In article 8,
lid, Boris says...

I have an Epson XP-430 WiFi printer/scanner/copier, connected
wirelessly to my home network. When I 'scan a document to email'
wirelessly from the printer to my XP pc, Outlook Express
automatically opens up with the scanned document attached, ready
to
address and send. Great.

However, when I try to do the same using my wife's Windows 10
laptop,
no go. She has Mail as the one and only email program, but
Windows
10 keeps opening up an Outlook dialog box. Mail is the default.

Epson doesn't have a clue.

It probably requires a MAPI compliant mail program. And I'm fairly
sure Win 10 Mail is not.


I have discovered that you are correct.

You could purchase Outlook (or rent it - Office 365), or for free,
install Mozilla Thunderbird.


I run Thunderbird on my laptop for newsgroups, and will set up for
email.

That'll work. It's not my favourite e-mail program, but that's just
me


If you have Outlook on your PC, I'd recomend you use that. If I
understand correctly, it's only on your wife's PC? Yep, it's fully
MAPI
compliant and scan-to-e-mail will work for her.

It's on her pc, but not installed. Hasn't paid for it, and won't.
Don't blame her, She never liked it either in the corporate world,
either.

But, from what I gather, you don't have Outlook?

Cporrect.
If you're stuck for a
MAPI compliant e-mail program on *your* PC, then yep, Thunderbird will
do the job.

VanguardLH wrote in :



BIG SNIP


On the desktop, create a shortcut whose target is:

mailto:

That's it. Nothing past the mail protocol qualifier. That should
open whatever is configured as the default e-mail client. Does it
work?


Doesn't work on Win10.

In Win7, mailto: , if typed in the Start orb's search box, my Windows Live
Mail 2011 is launched with a blank email form.

BIG SNIP

Boris wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

On the desktop, create a shortcut whose target is:

mailto:

That's it. Nothing past the mail protocol qualifier. That should
open whatever is configured as the default e-mail client. Does it
work?

Doesn't work on Win10.

In Win7, mailto: , if typed in the Start orb's search box, my Windows Live
Mail 2011 is launched with a blank email form.

I suggested using a *shortcut* to use the "mailto:" command, not enter
in an address/search bar which might be trying to interpret it as an
invalid URL (because it wasn't mailto:///string).

Is the mailto protocol associated with a handler?
https://www.tenforums.com/attachment...ing-mailto.jpg
http://www.officetooltips.com/office...dows_10.ht ml