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internet exporer pullled by Microsoft?
On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 09:50:07 -0700, Bentot wrote:
On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 21:51:23 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote: On 2020-07-30 8:59 p.m., Bentot wrote: My WIN 10 Pro has had iexpore.exe removed from both internet explorer program folders. Cannot get them back via Settings or Control Panel. My WIN 10 Home still have functional Internet Explorer. So,, it appearse that M$ is starting to kill IE. I don't use IE, but a unhappy friend does. She is computer cballenged, so I will set her up with a differnt browser. What version of windowV 10 Pro do you have? I have Windows 10 Pro version 2004 19041.388 and internet explorer is still functional. Rene Interesting.... I have the same version. I suspect one of the quality updates pulled it. Only the iexplore executable was removed. from each of the program folders (932bit and 64bit) The two IE program folders are otherwise intact. iexplore.exe doesn't exist anywhere on this computer. I also note that in Settings APS defaults, the choice for Internet Explorer has been replace by Edge. So, now Edge is listed twice. The first is annotated as recommended. The second has no notation. Choose either one and get Edge. Oh well, I use Google, sp all that doesn't affect me. But, my curiosity lingers. Ben |
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On 2020-07-31 05:24, Mayayana wrote:
"T" wrote | Brave Browser would be a good choice. It is considered | Grandparent safe: | Grandparent safe? You mean because the spyware is pre-approved and built in? It's arguably a sleazeball operation based on the Web of the 90s. A spyware product that tricks you into paying them to spy on you by pretending that your payments will support some great golden age of online sharing. The first problem is the assumption that the Web is primarily a commercial entity. It's not. It's a public space. The second problem is the implication that the commercial members of that entity are nice, old-fashioned mom-and-pop stores who deserve to get a few coins in exchange for your use of their site. A nice, Andy of Mayberry-style, small town. Even if you want to support that vision, the Internet doesn't work that way. Brave is conflating Andy of Mayberry with corporate shopping malls, helping to transform the Internet into a corporate shopping mall. They're not helping to bring back the idealistic sharing platform of the 90s. Brendan Eich seems to be either naive or deeply cynical. I don't know which. There have also been complaints about the integrity of the company overall, which one can read about at the Wikipedia page. I realize that you just disable the payments stuff, but what kind of recommendation is that? "Hey, use this browser. They try to cheat you but that's OK. I just cheat them." If you want a clean chrome browser there must be better options than lying to liars. And then, of course, there are several gecko/Mozilla browsers. They're arguably overproduced, but much more customizable and less based on being spyware than chrome-based browsers. You are jumping to some pretty big conclusions there. Various tests I have seen show that Brave does the least spying. When I install Brave, I turn off Brave Rewards and Biance (may have misspelled it). This is not rocket science. And I have linked those tests for you before, so there is really no point in debating. |
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"T" wrote
| | You are jumping to some pretty big conclusions there. | No. I read the Wikipedia page about how it qorks and about complaints there have been. The whole idea is that you pay a bit in exchange for what you get from websites. So no privacy. And there's a question as to how much, if any, the websites actually get. Because that same model is Brave's profit model. | When I install Brave, I turn off Brave Rewards | and Biance (may have misspelled it). Exactly as I said. You disable the spying that's supposed to pay for the thing. So you're cheating the cheaters. |
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On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 12:39:34 -0500, Mark Lloyd wrote:
I checked on my Win 10 system (Pro, updated every month) and IE 11 still there as well as Edge 18 (not Chromium Edge). Given Microsoft browsers could go missing for years and many of us would never notice, and given Microsoft puts them in funny places, and given that I've previously reported to this ng that installing the Chromium-based Edge seems to have "disappeared" the original Edge, can someone tell us how exactly to _find_ the three reputed Microsoft browsers? 1. What's the easiest way to definitively find Chromium-based Edge? 2. What's the easiest way to definitively find non-chromium Edge? 3. What's the easiest way to definitively find Internet Explorer? If there were three quick & simple search commands to run, I'd run them. o Otherwise, it's too much of a PITA to even go rummaging to look for 'em. -- Usenet is a great public helpdesk to get ideas from a bunch of nice people. |
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On 2020-07-31 13:57, Mayayana wrote:
"T" wrote | | You are jumping to some pretty big conclusions there. | No. I read the Wikipedia page about how it qorks and about complaints there have been. The whole idea is that you pay a bit in exchange for what you get from websites. So no privacy. And there's a question as to how much, if any, the websites actually get. Because that same model is Brave's profit model. That is not what the test show. Brave has the LEAST amount of spying | When I install Brave, I turn off Brave Rewards | and Biance (may have misspelled it). Exactly as I said. You disable the spying that's supposed to pay for the thing. So you're cheating the cheaters. So you'd rather use a browser that spies on your ass mercilessly and you have no control over it like IE, Edge, and Chrome rather than one that only monitors you IF YOU OPT IN? If so, more power to you. Opt in is not spying. |
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On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 21:15:15 -0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder
wrote: On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 12:39:34 -0500, Mark Lloyd wrote: I checked on my Win 10 system (Pro, updated every month) and IE 11 still there as well as Edge 18 (not Chromium Edge). Given Microsoft browsers could go missing for years and many of us would never notice, and given Microsoft puts them in funny places, and given that I've previously reported to this ng that installing the Chromium-based Edge seems to have "disappeared" the original Edge, can someone tell us how exactly to _find_ the three reputed Microsoft browsers? 1. What's the easiest way to definitively find Chromium-based Edge? 2. What's the easiest way to definitively find non-chromium Edge? 3. What's the easiest way to definitively find Internet Explorer? If there were three quick & simple search commands to run, I'd run them. o Otherwise, it's too much of a PITA to even go rummaging to look for 'em. Check in c:\app\web\ All ur browsers be in there. same sence xp. |
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Bentot wrote:
On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 09:50:07 -0700, Bentot wrote: On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 21:51:23 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote: On 2020-07-30 8:59 p.m., Bentot wrote: My WIN 10 Pro has had iexpore.exe removed from both internet explorer program folders. Cannot get them back via Settings or Control Panel. My WIN 10 Home still have functional Internet Explorer. So,, it appearse that M$ is starting to kill IE. I don't use IE, but a unhappy friend does. She is computer cballenged, so I will set her up with a differnt browser. What version of windowV 10 Pro do you have? I have Windows 10 Pro version 2004 19041.388 and internet explorer is still functional. Rene Interesting.... I have the same version. I suspect one of the quality updates pulled it. Only the iexplore executable was removed. from each of the program folders (932bit and 64bit) The two IE program folders are otherwise intact. iexplore.exe doesn't exist anywhere on this computer. I also note that in Settings APS defaults, the choice for Internet Explorer has been replace by Edge. So, now Edge is listed twice. The first is annotated as recommended. The second has no notation. Choose either one and get Edge. Oh well, I use Google, sp all that doesn't affect me. But, my curiosity lingers. Ben Does this sequence still work on your machine ? Right-click Start : Run : control Programs and Features (control panel) Windows Features Check that Internet Explorer 11 tick box is still ticked The "removal" of IE11 does not remove the folder, because some part of that folder may still be in usage. The Internet Explorer 11 tick box in Windows Features, normally controls "iexplore.exe" . If the Internet Explorer line is removed in Windows Features, that would be a sign the removal is permanent. Paul |
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Zaghadka wrote:
On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 18:59:24 -0700, in alt.comp.os.windows-10, Bentot wrote: My WIN 10 Pro has had iexpore.exe removed from both internet explorer program folders. Cannot get them back via Settings or Control Panel. My WIN 10 Home still have functional Internet Explorer. So,, it appearse that M$ is starting to kill IE. I don't use IE, but a unhappy friend does. She is computer cballenged, so I will set her up with a differnt browser. still have it, but when i type it into the start box, it comes up as Microsoft Edge first and IE second from after the "int" all the way through the last letter of the entire two words. So I don't know what happened to you. I'm current @ v 2004. But they're definitely going to be killing it. with fire. it's about time. It's possibly an A/B install, with some people being selected to see whether anyone notices and raises a stink. Since IE11 is a "Windows Feature", there could be a 50MB installer file placed somewhere on the machine, or as a series of items in WinSXS (a few component packages). It's not "just" an App, not something you can Add/Remove like Firefox. And doesn't really get removed anyway, as the engine has to stay behind as well as the folder it is in. Now if the folder and engine disappeared, that *would* be news. Windows 10 Pro 19041.421 install.ins 3/19/2019 12:49AM [Branding] CompanyName=Microsoft Corporation Wizard_Version=11.00.18362.1 Version=11,00,18362,1 Custom_Key=MICROSO Global=1 IE4 Welcome Msg=1 Platform=2 GUID={7211FFE6-C149-11D0-AFF0-00AA003758BB} Type=0 NoClear=1 Application 11.00.19041.1 12/6/2019 4:47PM 819,136 bytes [Compressed on disk] IEXPLORE.EXE You could say it's been well maintained, with a random mix of identifiers and date stamps that make no sense. Paul |
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"T" wrote
| So you'd rather use a browser that spies on your ass | mercilessly and you have no control over it like IE, | Edge, and Chrome No. I don't use any of those. So far I haven't found a Chromium browser that doesn't spy. Even SRIron tried to call home and when I blocked that it tried to call Google. Yet they claim it's clean. I've only use Mozilla variants for many years, since Netscape. My current main choice is New Moon, which is a Pale Moon variant. Both are lighter, faster versions of Firefox. Which is not to say I'm a Firefox cheerleader. I just see it as the least problematic, especially with the older versions. Your enthusiastic salespitch for spyware and a pay-as-you-go model for the Internet makes no sense to me. (Just a month ago they were caught adding affilliate codes to URLs.) I don't know what sort of privacy tests you're talking about. I'm guessing they're probably like the "scientific" research you found that shows wearing masks is a commie plot. I know Brave was a mess when I once tried it, but didn't remember details. So I downloaded the offline installer. It tried to contact numerous sites without even showing a setup window. These were 2 of several IPs: 151.101.65.7 Fastly 13.35.82.46 Amazon Cloudfront I ended up with 6 or 7 instances of setup and updater running and couldn't kill them. I've never seen *anything* so badly behaved. I finally unplugged the ethernet cable and waited while the instances gradually quit, but not before it hijacked New Moon. I'd blocked the setup EXE at the firewall, so it hijacked New Moon and called 151.101.193.140! That's some creepy software. |
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On 2020-07-31 17:26, Mayayana wrote:
I don't know what sort of privacy tests you're talking about. This is not the first time I have sent you this. Maybe you should actually read it this time: Brave Ranked the Most Private Browser While Microsoft Edge and Yandex the Least Private Due to Privacy-Invading Telemetry ALICIA HOPE·MARCH 18, 2020 https://www.cpomagazine.com/data-pri...ing-telemetry/ Brave emerged as the most private browser while the new chromium-based Microsoft Edge and Yandex emerged as the most privacy-intrusive browsers. The professor noted that although users could turn off the telemetry features in Firefox and make changes to privacy settings in Chrome and Safari, users required specialized knowledge. This requirement made the browsers fare much worse compared with Brave, the most private browser. This is why Brave is considered grandparent safe: no specialized knowledge required. Note that Firefox was in the middle. I recommend both Firefox and Brave I'm guessing they're probably like the "scientific" research you found that shows wearing masks is a commie plot. 1) I provided cites to Randomized Clinical Trial (RTC's). You did not. I used the scientific method. You did not. There is no room for religion or political correctness in science. "So and so said such and such" does not cut it. 2) I never once called the mask crowd a "commie plot". I have called the mask crowd "Lysenkoists" though, as they follow political correctness and do not follow actual science. I call covid the "commie flu" because it came from a bioweapons lab in COMMUNIST China and said Left Wingers lied to the world about it, especially though WHO. Please do not misrepresent me. |
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On 2020-07-31 15:11, Paul wrote:
Bentot wrote: On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 09:50:07 -0700, Bentot wrote: On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 21:51:23 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote: On 2020-07-30 8:59 p.m., Bentot wrote: My WIN 10 Pro has had iexpore.exe removed from both internet explorer program folders.Â* Cannot get them back via Settings or Control Panel. My WIN 10 Home still have functional Internet Explorer. So,, it appearse that M$ is starting to kill IE. I don't use IE, but a unhappy friend does.Â* She is computer cballenged, so I will set her up with a differnt browser. What version of windowV 10Â* Pro doÂ* you have? I have Windows 10 Pro version 2004 19041.388 and internet explorer is still functional. Rene Interesting....Â*Â* I have the same version.Â* I suspect one of the quality updates pulled it.Â* Only the iexplore executable was removed. from each of the program folders (932bit and 64bit) The two IE program folders are otherwise intact. iexplore.exe doesn't exist anywhere on this computer. I also note that in SettingsÂ* APS defaults, the choice for Internet Explorer has been replace by Edge.Â* So, now Edge is listed twice.Â* The first is annotated as recommended.Â* The second has no notation. Choose either one and get Edge. Oh well, I use Google, sp all that doesn't affect me.Â* But, my curiosity lingers. Ben Does this sequence still work on your machine ? Right-click Start : Run : control Â*Â* Programs and Features (control panel) Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Windows Features Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Check that Internet Explorer 11 tick box is still ticked The "removal" of IE11 does not remove the folder, because some part of that folder may still be in usage. The Internet Explorer 11 tick box in Windows Features, normally controls "iexplore.exe" . If the Internet Explorer line is removed in Windows Features, that would be a sign the removal is permanent. Â*Â* Paul Hi Paul, Jut out of curiousity, would "sfc /scannow" recover it? Or only things in the Widows directory? -T |
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On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 12:39:34 -0500, Mark Lloyd
wrote: On 7/30/20 8:59 PM, Bentot wrote: My WIN 10 Pro has had iexpore.exe removed from both internet explorer program folders. Cannot get them back via Settings or Control Panel. My WIN 10 Home still have functional Internet Explorer. So,, it appearse that M$ is starting to kill IE. I don't use IE, but a unhappy friend does. She is computer cballenged, so I will set her up with a differnt browser. I checked on my Win 10 system (Pro, updated every month) and IE 11 still there as well as Edge 18 (not Chromium Edge). Weird!! TKs Ben |
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On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 16:34:41 -0500, gooby wrote:
o Otherwise, it's too much of a PITA to even go rummaging to look for 'em. Check in c:\app\web\ All ur browsers be in there. same sence xp. Holy cow! I don't know you, but you clearly know me well! o My menus from Windows 95 to XP to Win7, Vista, & Win10 are the same! Exact same files, in fact; simply zipped up to port to _all_ my PC! o They have only improved slightly, over the decades, with new software. The fact you know that fact, means, you know me well: You are good! What we do is the same functional menu hierarchy on all desktop machines! o https://i.postimg.cc/PrcV1pXF/browser06.jpg You're actually damn good because one in a million can do what you said! o https://i.postimg.cc/QN6rbSQD/browser05.jpg 1. Here is my screenshot of C:\app\ where browser is next, as you knew: o https://i.postimg.cc/jqvR1RrG/browser01.jpg 2. Below that, are the "types" of browsers, one of which is http o https://i.postimg.cc/xdrQmCKb/browser02.jpg 3. Inside of http shows four fundamental browser code bases: (chromium based, mozilla based, independents, & microsoft based) o https://i.postimg.cc/Y9MwXsDr/browser03.jpg 4. Inside the Microsoft code base are the three MS Windows 10 browsers: (internet explorer, old legacy Edge UWB classic, new Edge Chrome) o https://i.postimg.cc/4y3RGhTj/browser04.jpg Looking at the M$ *.lnk shortcuts, these are the TARGETS to each: a. Internet Explorer TARGET: "C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\iexplore.exe" b. Old legacy Edge UWB classic TARGET: %windir%\explorer.exe shell:Appsfolder\Microsoft.MicrosoftEdge_8wekyb3d8 bbwe!MicrosoftEdge c. New Edge Chrome TARGET: "C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft\Edge\Application\msedge.exe" Entering those commands into the Win+R Run box brings up each browser: a. InternetExplorer: Gear icon About Internet Explorer Version 11.959.18362.0 (Update version 11.0.200) b. Edge UWB: Elipses Settings General About this app Version Microsoft Edge 44.18362.449.0 Version Microsoft EdgeHTML 18.18363 c. Edge Chrome: Elipses Settings About Microsoft Edge Version 84.0.522.50 (Official build) (64-bit) As you noted, all three browsers work just fine concurrently in Win10! https://i.postimg.cc/PrcV1pXF/browser06.jpg -- Those who control Windows find that the simplest solutions work on all PCs. |
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T wrote:
On 2020-07-31 15:11, Paul wrote: Bentot wrote: On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 09:50:07 -0700, Bentot wrote: On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 21:51:23 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote: On 2020-07-30 8:59 p.m., Bentot wrote: My WIN 10 Pro has had iexpore.exe removed from both internet explorer program folders. Cannot get them back via Settings or Control Panel. My WIN 10 Home still have functional Internet Explorer. So,, it appearse that M$ is starting to kill IE. I don't use IE, but a unhappy friend does. She is computer cballenged, so I will set her up with a differnt browser. What version of windowV 10 Pro do you have? I have Windows 10 Pro version 2004 19041.388 and internet explorer is still functional. Rene Interesting.... I have the same version. I suspect one of the quality updates pulled it. Only the iexplore executable was removed. from each of the program folders (932bit and 64bit) The two IE program folders are otherwise intact. iexplore.exe doesn't exist anywhere on this computer. I also note that in Settings APS defaults, the choice for Internet Explorer has been replace by Edge. So, now Edge is listed twice. The first is annotated as recommended. The second has no notation. Choose either one and get Edge. Oh well, I use Google, sp all that doesn't affect me. But, my curiosity lingers. Ben Does this sequence still work on your machine ? Right-click Start : Run : control Programs and Features (control panel) Windows Features Check that Internet Explorer 11 tick box is still ticked The "removal" of IE11 does not remove the folder, because some part of that folder may still be in usage. The Internet Explorer 11 tick box in Windows Features, normally controls "iexplore.exe" . If the Internet Explorer line is removed in Windows Features, that would be a sign the removal is permanent. Paul Hi Paul, Jut out of curiousity, would "sfc /scannow" recover it? Or only things in the Widows directory? -T SFC is mainly C:\Windows directory related. It really should not be wandering about C:\Program Files. And "Internet Explorer" is in both C:\Program Files and C:\Program Files (x86). It's the poster boy for providing both options for bitness. On a 32-bit OS, only C:\Program Files exists and the x86 version would be in there. Paul |
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On 2020-07-31 20:59, Paul wrote:
T wrote: On 2020-07-31 15:11, Paul wrote: Bentot wrote: On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 09:50:07 -0700, Bentot wrote: On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 21:51:23 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote: On 2020-07-30 8:59 p.m., Bentot wrote: My WIN 10 Pro has had iexpore.exe removed from both internet explorer program folders.Â* Cannot get them back via Settings or Control Panel. My WIN 10 Home still have functional Internet Explorer. So,, it appearse that M$ is starting to kill IE. I don't use IE, but a unhappy friend does.Â* She is computer cballenged, so I will set her up with a differnt browser. What version of windowV 10Â* Pro doÂ* you have? I have Windows 10 Pro version 2004 19041.388 and internet explorer is still functional. Rene Interesting....Â*Â* I have the same version.Â* I suspect one of the quality updates pulled it.Â* Only the iexplore executable was removed. from each of the program folders (932bit and 64bit) The two IE program folders are otherwise intact. iexplore.exe doesn't exist anywhere on this computer. I also note that in SettingsÂ* APS defaults, the choice for Internet Explorer has been replace by Edge.Â* So, now Edge is listed twice.Â* The first is annotated as recommended.Â* The second has no notation. Choose either one and get Edge. Oh well, I use Google, sp all that doesn't affect me.Â* But, my curiosity lingers. Ben Does this sequence still work on your machine ? Right-click Start : Run : control Â*Â*Â* Programs and Features (control panel) Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Windows Features Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Check that Internet Explorer 11 tick box is still ticked The "removal" of IE11 does not remove the folder, because some part of that folder may still be in usage. The Internet Explorer 11 tick box in Windows Features, normally controls "iexplore.exe" . If the Internet Explorer line is removed in Windows Features, that would be a sign the removal is permanent. Â*Â*Â* Paul Hi Paul, Jut out of curiousity, would "sfc /scannow" recover it?Â* Or only things in the Widows directory? -T SFC is mainly C:\Windows directory related. It really should not be wandering about C:\Program Files. And "Internet Explorer" is in both C:\Program Files and C:\Program Files (x86). It's the poster boy for providing both options for bitness. On a 32-bit OS, only C:\Program Files exists and the x86 version would be in there. Â*Â* Paul Dang. It was a long shot. Maybe one of those in place re-installs you taught me then? |
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