MS unwanted updates tonight...

HB wrote:
"Brick" wrote in message
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I run Windows Live Mail on Windows 10, so that's an option.

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I downloaded it from Softonic and they're calling it "Windows Essentials."
It was installed underPrograms (x86). As I suspected, there is nothing
there but a wab.exe and a wabmig.exe file. No mail program was installed.
MS updates remove these older mail programs so tell us how you got around
that.

How did you get the updates stopped that are doing this in W-10?



http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi...nt-email.me%3E

16.4.3828.331
2012_Wave5
137,329,840 bytes

Using similar techniques you might be able to find other versions.

That file has a bunch of stuff in it, but I was unable to
actually find wlmail.exe !

Paul

"Mayayana" wrote in message
news
"HB" wrote

| I could reinstall it but it wouldn't connect to the gmail
| server. MS really messed it up.
|
That might be a different issue. Different servers
vary in terms of what they support. Google is somewhat
militant. I don't know the specifics with them, but there
could be a problem with protocols. OE can only support
older, now defunct, versions of SSL, now TLS, for
email encryption. If gmail no longer support unencrypted
email then that could be the problem.

It worked fine until the updates. No problem with protocols. Check the net
and you will see plenty of mention of MS killing OE6 on people's PCs. The
updates also killed the reinstaller made by Runasxp. I found the entire OE6
folder moved from Programs to the desk top.


| I think it's time I look seriously at Macs. Maybe they have a demo in
one
of
| the stores here. I don't like the fact we buy the PC and don't own
what's
in
| it, MS does, that's a serious turnoff.
|


Part of what MS are doing is inspired by Apple, so
be careful. The whole idea of the Microsoft Store and
of limiting user control of the system come from Apple.
Apple makes $1 billion/year, last I heard, from selling
music alone through iTunes. MS see that and they
drool. They're moving very gradually toward an idea
of rental and/or ad-supported software. You see ads
in Windows. You buy stuff at their store. (MS gets
a 30% cut of any software you buy through them.)
You use their services. That's what their aiming for.
They want you to think of your computer as a kiosk
interface to shop and be entertained.

I believe you're right. Greed. I bet the day comes when people will have
to pay MS by the month to use Windows. Something like we pay our ISPs by the
month.

Greed. Otherwise why the hell should MS care that millions want and are
using OE6 and other older email clients. I'm fortunate in that 2 of the PCs
in my home are W-7 with updates turned off. At least for awhile we can enjoy
the software we have without MS scanning all the HDs and removing what they
deem unacceoptable for my family to have on our PCs. Honestly, I feel like I
would if a stranger came into my home and went through my desk, my wallet,
my closets.


Apple have developed a reputation for
stability and ease of use. They've achieved that by
locking down the system, blocking access to both
hardware and the OS. That also allows them to price
gouge. They decide you don't need floppies... or CDs...
or DVDs... or the "old" kind of cable... and that's that.
You're out of luck. Then they'll charge you through the
nose for the new stuff.
(They actually designed their own custom, irregular
5-pointed-drive screws at one point, so that no one
would have tools to take apart their products. And
many of their laptops are 0-maintenance, encased in
glue resin on the inside. By contrast, I've been building my
own computers for the past 20 years. Windows runs on
generic hardware. As does Linux.)

Macs are good if you don't do much and have money
to burn. They're especially good for non-techie people.
Many of the people I know who switched did it mostly
because they just didn't want to have to figure out
security issues on Windows.

In short, Apple is the AOL of the computer world.
They charge a premium and that buys you a simpler,
managed system. Another kind of walled garden.
As with AOL, things like privacy are not an issue because
the customer base trusts them to manage their devices.

On the pro side it's very pretty and usually stable.
On the con side it's wildly overpriced and restrictive.

I'm happy to be hearing the other side.


You might want to talk to people who do what you
do, but on Macs. I often find that the people who say
Macs are much better turn out to be running Windows
in a VM to use their old software. There's something wrong
when the computer you choose can't run the software
you use. No one should *need* to use a VM. And that's
another big expense. As I understand it, running Windows
on a Mac will only work with the Pro version. An extra
hundred dollars and an indefensible limitation.

But if you're tired of spending time on tech, and don't
mind the cost, and what you want to do is mostly
online, media, email, etc, then you might prefer a Mac.

Thanks for bringing that up. I never asked anyone what they do on their
Macs. For all I know they may do a little surfing, get their email, check
into Facebook for awhile and that's it. My daughter, sons and wife do a lot
offline on their computers. The kids have a load of games they don't seem
to tire of.


One other point: It's a bit like Invasion of the Body
Snatchers. You don't have to become an AppleSeed
to use Macs, but most converts do become irrational,
partisan, pod people eventually. It's something about
the marketing, the charisma of Lord Jobs, and the
appeal of being a conformist who dreams of "thinking
different". You might feel pressured to visit your
local Apple Church regularly, for services or to talk
the the pleasant geniuses, or just to buy more stuff.
Because that's what AppleSeeds do. They buy more
Apple stuff. (Did you think it was nutty college students
who camp out to have their wallet vacuumed in exchange
for a new phone they don't need? No. Those are the
"normal" AppleSeeds.

Holy moley,.... you have me laughing my @$$ off! You have a geat way with
words.

"Bill Bradshaw" wrote in message
...
I use this to run OE6:

https://sites.google.com/site/simple...look-express-6

Once and a while after Microsoft updates I have to reinstall it. It only
takes a couple of minutes. Hopefully if it stops again Microsoft has not
done something that will not let me reinstall. I use this on both Windows
10 32 bit and 64 bit.

Bill

I couldn't reinstall it. It screws up the work-around or whatever it's
called created Runasxp. I finally got it reinstalled and got several kinds
of MS popups claiming one thing or another. I don't believe I'll ever get it
to run again and I'm really pi$$ed.

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On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 09:59:43 -0400, "Mayayana"
wrote in

"HB" wrote

| ....wiped out OE6.
| There has to be a way to stop them, maybe in the regestry. Someone on
this
| group must know how to stop these updates.
|

Check out ShutUP10

O&O ShutUp10 means you have full control over which comfort functions
under Windows 10 you wish to use, and you decide when the passing on
of your data goes too far. Using a very simple interface, you decide
how Windows 10 should respect your privacy by deciding which unwanted
functions should be deactivated.

O&O ShutUp10 is entirely free and does not have to be installed – it
can be simply run directly and immediately on your PC. And it will not
install or download retrospectively unwanted or unnecessary software,
like so many other programs do these days!

https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10
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"HB" wrote

| It worked fine until the updates. No problem with protocols. Check the net
| and you will see plenty of mention of MS killing OE6 on people's PCs. The
| updates also killed the reinstaller made by Runasxp. I found the entire
OE6
| folder moved from Programs to the desk top.
|

| I bet the day comes when people will have
| to pay MS by the month to use Windows. Something like we pay our ISPs by
the
| month.
|

Or ads. Or both. They've been moving in small steps.
There's Office 365 rental, which is apparently successful.
Or at least that's the way they're painting it.
Right now there are little ads in the "Metro" tiles, or
pushiness about using MS products, which many don't
even see as ads. I imagine the form it takes will depend on
how things work out: If people buy lots of "apps" and
tolerate ads then it might be more profitable to give
away Windows. They could also do things that are less
obvious. For instance, loading ads into webpages visited,
which is something ISPs have experiemented with.

But I suppose their preference would be all of the above:
Rent Windows for a high price, show ads, and still sell
stuff through the Windows Store. Once you accept that
it's their computer, the sky's the limit.

And then there's the ISP wrinkle: Without net neutrality,
Internet access begins to look more like a cable TV plan
rather than a phone plan. We don't have ads for antacids
and happy pills interrupting our phone conversations, but
we do have them on TV, and increasingly part of the screen
is an ad. And there's product placement in shows.

Without net neutrality, companies like Apple and Microsoft
might enter into contracts with Comcast and Verizon, as
well as Facebook, Google and Twitter, all cooperating to milk
customers.

| Greed. Otherwise why the hell should MS care that millions want and are
| using OE6 and other older email clients.
|
It could be both. OE doesn't support later encryption
than TLS 1.0, which has been phased out because it's
been cracked. At the same time there's a push to use
encryption everywhere. (Google Chrome is starting to
warn people when a website isn't using encryption.) So
OE may be viewed as unsafe software.

On the other hand, if they're trying to protect you
then it would be common sense that they'd provide some
kind of explanation and alternatives, not just "throw a
grenade into Program Files". That really is bizarre behavior.
Perhaps they just figured that if they break your email
you'll switch to webmail.

| Honestly, I feel like I
| would if a stranger came into my home and went through my desk, my wallet,
| my closets.
|

Indeed. It amazes me that more people don't
feel that way. Just the principle of it is outrageous --
that someone thinks they have a right to trespass
that way simply because you bought something
from them. And in this case even that's a stretch.
If you buy a Windows computer it's an OEM license.
Microsoft define Dell or HP as the licensor, and
that's who you have to go to for support. You
didn't do business with MS any more than you
negotiated with an author for the last book you
bought.

I think one reason more people don't complain is
because we've created a sleazy environment on
both sides: The sleazy tech company holds out a free
bauble and tries to pick your pocket as you grab that
bauble. The customer hopes to grab the bauble while
protecting their wallet. We want free. Neither side is
being honest. And now the sleaze has become
institutionalized.

Google were making billions on ads *before* they
started spying, just by connecting ads with search
terms. But they saw a way to make more and few
people complained.

Another reason is that the logistics are mostly invisible.
I was reading recently that car companies are now
looking at selling personal data collected from things like
built-in GPS used for in-car services. What gives them
the right to be a corporate peeping Tom? It's crazy.
But that kind of exploitation is not something you can
see and measure. You're unlikely to be aware of it unless
you happen to see an article somewhere. Without laws
there's not much to stop it.

On 2018-03-12, HB wrote:
wink wink, nudge nuge I have a snowball's chance in hell of finding one
of those CDs and matching key.

Ebay sellers frequently offer them, or possibly you might know someone
with a no-longer-used installation CD and key they'd let you have. XP
was around for so long there is no shortage out there.

Where are you finding these old CDs with matching keys?

When you've been in the computer business as long as I have (~40 years)
you acquire a lot of obsolete stuff. I even have some early IBM-branded
DOS packages around that are still shrink-wrapped. Or if I ever need to
run TopView I'm all set with that as well.

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HB wrote:
....wiped out OE6. It's still there but will not work anymore. So now I have
a laptop I can't use for email. I don't understand why the hell MS would
give a &^%$ that someone would want to use OE.

And what really eats my lunch is these updates are FORCED on us. Our
choice was taken away.

There has to be a way to stop them, maybe in the regestry. Someone on this
group must know how to stop these updates.


OE is 1997 technology. Development ended in 2006 - 10 years after
release and inclusion with IE4 for Windows 95.

The last supported operating system for OE was XP. Vista provided
Windows Mail which also ceased development in 2006. Windows 7 did not
include a mail client nor did the IE version released with Windows 7.

Asking why MSFT doesn't support OE is a no brainer - they haven't for
over 12 years.



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HB wrote:

What other alternative is there where the kids can play their games created
to run on Windows, or the wife's interior design software created for
windows, or music editing software my son uses, the image editing software
my daughter uses... all this software would be useless on a Mac or other
system. And we all used OE6 and WindowsMail before that.


Not really a reason since none of those(games, design software, music
and video editing) require OE.



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Ken Blake wrote:
On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 17:11:12 -0000 (UTC), Brick
wrote:

I don't like webmail for my main email.


Good! as far as I'm concerned, webmail is far and away the worst way
to do e-mail.


I do use webmail for hotmail and gmail, but they are throw away addys.



Are you aware that using web-mail for them is not necessary? You can
access them with your e-mail client. Doing so is not only a better
way, but it lets you get all your mail in a single place.

In additon to each of those services(Outlook.com fka Hotmail and Gmail)
providing the ability to 'get all your mail' in multiple places on
multiple devices.

Afaics, the culture, ecosystem and need/desire for 'one-place' email
ceased quite some time ago for most end-users.

18 years ago we were lucky to be able to sync Outlook desktop client
contacts to an iPod(the first device supporting that feature). It took
MSFT 6 more years(2007) and just shy of 1 yr later to provide a similar
sync option for Hotmail to smartphone(e.g. iPhone).

Much has changed in the last 18 years including the end of our salad days.

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Ken Blake wrote:
On 11 Mar 2018 16:09:34 GMT, Frank Slootweg
wrote:

What other alternative is there where the kids can play their games created
to run on Windows, or the wife's interior design software created for
windows, or music editing software my son uses, the image editing software
my daughter uses... all this software would be useless on a Mac or other
system. And we all used OE6 and WindowsMail before that.

Indeed! Classic example of shooting the messenger, instead of blaming
Microsoft for not providing an alternative for Outlook Express / Windows
Mail.



I disagree that Microsoft should be blamed, for several reasons.

1.Windows 10 *does* come with an alternative to Outlook
Express/Windows Mail. The mail program that comes with Windows is
essentially an upgraded version of Outlook Express. I personally think
it's a poor choice, but it is a choice.

2. Many people thought Outlook Express was a poor choice. I never
thought it was a very good choice, but I didn't think it was as
terrible as many people thought. On the other hand I thought Windows
Mail was a poor choice

3. Windows Live Mail is another choice. I also think that's a poor
choice, but it too is a choice.

4. Outlook.exe (part of Microsoft Office) is still another choice.
It's not free, but it's available, and in my view it's a decent
choice.

5. The web-based Outlook.com is still another choice

6. Although most versions of Windows have come with an e-mail program,
as far as I'm concerned, there's no particular reason why they should.
Sending and receiving e-mail is not an operating system function, and
there's no more reason for Windows to come with one than there is for
Windows to come with a spreadsheet program, database program, etc.

7. Regardless of whether or not Microsoft provides an e-mail program
with Windows, there are lots of third-party e-mail programs available,
many of them free, and many better than what comes with Windows.

Actually the code for Win8x/10 included email client was built on the
foundation and syncability features of Windows Live Mail more so than OE
or Vista's Windows Mail. The similarity to OE was the initial user
interface for compatibility and understanding purpose and a few pieces
of common code. The majority of code though was more closely related to
Windows Phone which also was built with Windows Live code.
- The entire purpose of the 'Live' suite was to, for lack of a more
comprehensive word, beta test internal and external(6 Billion Hotmail
and Messenger users) use on the integration of a suite of syncable
applications in Windows. That entire vision started in 2006.

Win10's mail and related apps are just the evolution of Windows Live
Essentials(2009, 2011) and Windows Essentials(2012).

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Frank Slootweg wrote:

If not, then I don't consider it to be an alternative, because it's
totally different and offers no migration/import part from OE/WM.

IMAP for many email accounts has been the easiest migration route to
Windows 10 Mail client since both OE and Vista, like Windows 10, support
IMAP.

The other optional route for email accounts was available from 2008
through the fall of 2016 for MSA(Microsoft Accounts).
That migration route was DeltaSync for Outlook.com, Hotmail, Live, and
MSn accounts in Windows Live Mail which was an installable client on XP
and Vista.
- One need not use the WLM client thereafter but the route to 'push'
your mail and contacts to Outlook.com(fka Hotmail, Live. Msn.com) was
the method MSFT provided. Whether one like the approach or not, it
'was' available and is still available today, once installed[1] since
WLM12 still has the ability to import OE and WM mail into WLM for
copy/move into any email account supporting IMAP. While not all email
accounts support IMAP, the majority do provide IMAP and POP3 support.

The same approach was available for years for the Outlook client(not web
UI client) via the Hotmail/Outlook Connector though it was better(and
highly recommended) to use Windows Live Mail to import OE/WM email and
contacts then use Windows Live Mail to export to Outlook via the MSFT
Exchange option.

The bottom line, if you really needed to migrate the options were/are
available...but to do so the underlying requirement and expectedly so
was the need for a MSA account(Outlook/Live/Hotmail/MSn.com or 3rd party
registered email address as an MSA) or the use of IMAP.



This is not about MUA *choices*, it's about Microsoft not providing
a migration path for its *existing* users.

See above

Microsoft's users had OE or WM. Microsoft did not provide a migration
part when WM died with Vista.

See above

3. Windows Live Mail is another choice. I also think that's a poor
choice, but it too is a choice.

See my other response. WLM is bug-ridden, bordering on unuseable.

*If* WLM would be a realistic migration path, I would still be on it.

WLM has never been everyone's cup of tea, but when migration is the
concern - it was MSFT provided route. Not using then or now[1] doesn't
negate the option being available from MSFT.

[1] WLM while no longer available for download from MSFT's servers it
can be obtained via 3rd party hosting sites. If one has the 130MB full
installer archived(the last WLM2012 version digital signature is April
7th 2014, file/product version 16.4.3528.331) only the matter of just
installing WLM and using the included Import and Copy tools - in the
past to an MSA or IMAP account or now into an IMAP account for use in
Win10. What one does thereafter is user preference...use the MSA
account(which is obviously and has been since 2008 MSFT's expectation),
use IMAP, or find another client and migration route for OE's DBX files
or Vista's Windows Mail *.eml files.

Thus stating that no migration path was/is available from MSFT would be
in error especially since the option was available for over 8 years,
more than sufficient time for OE/WM users implementation.

Was it the best and easiest route? No.
Was/Is a migration route available? Yes


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In article news
There has to be a way to stop them, maybe in the regestry. Someone on this
group must know how to stop these updates

You most definitely can stop the Microsoft updates. For years.

I was able to stop the updates for more than two years, but eventually, one
got me, which is described elsewhere on this newsgroup.

I can't tell you /which/ setting killed all updates as I set them all, for
weeks I was digging them up, so all I can tell you is that I was on
Windows 10 Pro Version 1511 OS Build 10586.1106 (November 12, 2015)
until January 26th 2018, always on the Internet via Ethernet.

If it helps, I have a /huge/ log file of the failed updates, which is too
huge to post here, but there may be a clue in these snippets as to what
specifically I did that enabled me to block Microsoft Updates for more than
two years.

.. Troubleshoot why your Windows 10 update keeps failing
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/10164

.. Check your OS version:
Start Settings PC Settings System About
Windows 10 Pro Version 1511 OS Build 10586.1106 (November 12, 2015)

.. Determine your system type:
Start Settings Control Panel System About System type
System Type = 64 bit operating system, x64 based processor

.. Check messages from the OS

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...erating-system
Start Settings Control Panel Security & Maintenance
Mine says: Check backup settings
Windows cannot find the disk or network location where your backups
are being saved. Backup date 10/1/2017 5:00 PM

.. Start Settings PC Settings Update & Security
Feature update to Windows 10, version 1607.
Details: Downloading updates 23%

.. Get the latest Windows 10 release
https://www.microsoft.com/software-download/windows10

.. Download the Windows Update Troubleshooter https://aka.ms/wudiag
This saves the 191KB file named "wu170509.diagcab"

.. Doubleclick on wu170509.diagcab & hit Next to see
"Issues might be found troubleshooting with administrator privilages"
"Try troubleshotting as an administrator"

.. Click on that "Try troubleshotting as an administrator" link & hit Next.
It will say...
"Windows Update"
"Detecting problems"
"Checking for pending updates"
"Checking Registry Keys"
"Starting Bits service"
"One troubleshooting step to resolve WU issues is to delete and
re-download updates to your computer. Would you like to try this step
now?
Depending on your network configuration, you may incur download costs."
"Apply this fix" or "Skip this fix"

.. Press "Skip this fix" (since it won't work anyway) & it will go on to
say:
"Windows Update"
"Resolving problems"
"Checking registry keys..."
(This takes hours to run so it's still running.)

.. Download the SSU (KB4035631) that matches your version of Windows
from the Microsoft Update Catalog.
http://www.catalog.update.microsoft....px?q=KB4035631
2017-08 Update for Windows 10 Version 1607 for x64-based Systems
(KB4035631)
windows10.0-kb4035631-x64_{long number}.msu

http://download.windowsupdate.com/d/msdownload/update/software/crup/2017/08/windows10.0-kb4035631-x64_{long
number}.msu 11.4MB

But when I doublecked on that MSU file, it said:
"Windows update standalone installer"
"This update is not applicable to your computer"

.. Download the most recent KB

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...update-history
"Find the most recent update KB for the version of Windows 10 you have,
it¢s usually at the top of the list and either write the KB number
down or copy it.
KB4040724 (OS Build 15063.632)


.. Perform an in-place upgrade by downloading the Media Creation Tool
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...load/windows10

.. Use the MCT to perform an in-place upgrade of Windows 10
https://mix.office.com/watch/3qnnlpnv43zu

.. Download the Windows 10 Media Creation Tool (MCT) and use it to
perform a clean install of Windows 10.
https://mix.office.com/watch/1dbgpfktgysig

.. Contact the "Answer Desk"
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/contactus/

..
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...9-cf82f0a950be
Background Intelligent Transfer Service

.. Start Run services.msc

http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=130...gistration.jpg

Did you ever get a Win10 Pro troubleshooter saying:
"Service registration is missing or corrupt"

What did you do to solve it?

This says it has been happening since Windows XP days & still happens:
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_xp-windows_install/service-registration-is-missing-or-corrupt/4953e8c4-9fcc-4f45-9db5-c84a219bcce6

This says it's one of the most common Windows update problems:
https://www.xtremerain.com/service-registration-is-missing-or-corrupt/

This says Bits is the problem (Background Intelligent Transfer Service):
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/insider/forum/insider_wintp-insider_update/windows-10-service-registration-is-missing-or/a2bfb3c3-665f-4f22-92d9-cf82f0a950be
C:\WINDOWS\system32\svchost.exe -k netsvcs

Services: Windows Update Properties General Startup type
Mine says "Manual" (which is what it's supposed to be).
But I just now changed it to "Disabled" because maybe that will help.

Same with "Background Intelligent Transfer Service".
C:\WINDOWS\System32\svchost.exe -k netsvcs

Same with "Cryptographic Service".
C:\WINDOWS\system32\svchost.exe -k NetworkService

Maybe turning each of those to "disabled" will stop Windows 10 Pro from
updating forever and failing every single time?

.. You need to run both the DISM and SFC commands shown below,
not just one of them.

.. Administrator command line run DISM
DISM.exe /Online /Cleanup-image /Restorehealth
(This takes at least an hour to run and it fails in the end anyway.)
C:\ DISM.exe /Online /Cleanup-image /Restorehealth

Deployment Image Servicing and Management tool
Version: 10.0.10586.0

Image Version: 10.0.10586.0

[==========================100.0%================== ========]

Error: 0x800f0906

The source files could not be downloaded.
Use the "source" option to specify the location of the files that are
required to restore the feature. For more information on specifying a
source location, see http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=243077.

The DISM log file can be found at C:\WINDOWS\Logs\DISM\dism.log

2017-09-21 08:35:57, Info DISM API: PID=6156 TID=7468
DismApi.dll: -
DismInitializeInternal
2017-09-21 08:35:57, Info DISM API: PID=6156 TID=7468
DismApi.dll: ----- Starting DismApi.dll session ----- -
DismInitializeInternal
2017-09-21 08:35:57, Info DISM API: PID=6156 TID=7468
DismApi.dll: -
DismInitializeInternal
2017-09-21 08:35:57, Info DISM API: PID=6156 TID=7468
DismApi.dll: Version 10.0.14393.446 - DismInitializeInternal
2017-09-21 08:35:57, Info DISM API: PID=6156 TID=7468
DismApi.dll: Parent process command line:
"C:\$WINDOWS.~BT\Sources\SetupHost.Exe" /Install /Update /Quiet /ProcessId
8904 /InstallFile "C:\$WINDOWS.~BT\Sources\Install.esd" /progressCLSID
c6bcac66-59d2-4b9b-87aa-daa798b15929 /ReportId
{64C40C1F-B7A4-42BD-BF11-11C8C63D60B4}.201 "/ClientId"
"6afdbb70-5ecd-4e0b-a58e-59e71092da8a" /WUCachedFileName
"14393.0.161119-1705.rs1_refresh_CLIENTCombinedSL_RET_x64fre_en-us.esd"
/SuccessId f5601dfe-1948-4865-aba9-0606a7242f77 - DismInitializeInternal
2017-09-21 08:35:57, Info DISM API: PID=6156 TID=7468
Enter DismInitializeInternal - DismInitializeInternal
2017-09-21 08:35:57, Info DISM API: PID=6156 TID=7468
Input parameters: LogLevel: 2, LogFilePath: (null), ScratchDirectory:
(null) - DismInitializeInternal
2017-09-21 08:35:57, Info DISM Try to initialize Panther
logging 1 times, last error: 0x0
2017-09-21 08:35:57, Info DISM API: PID=6156 TID=7468
Initialized GlobalConfig - DismInitializeInternal
2017-09-21 08:35:57, Info DISM API: PID=6156 TID=7468
Initialized SessionTable - DismInitializeInternal
2017-09-21 08:35:57, Info DISM API: PID=6156 TID=7468
Lookup in table by path failed for:
DummyPath-2BA51B78-C7F7-4910-B99D-BB7345357CDC -
CTransactionalImageTable::LookupImagePath
2017-09-21 08:35:57, Info DISM API: PID=6156 TID=7468
Waiting for m_pInternalThread to start - CCommandThread::Start
2017-09-21 08:35:57, Info DISM API: PID=6156 TID=8908
Enter CCommandThread::CommandThreadProcedureStub -
CCommandThread::CommandThreadProcedureStub
2017-09-21 08:35:57, Info DISM API: PID=6156 TID=8908
Enter CCommandThread::ExecuteLoop - CCommandThread::ExecuteLoop
2017-09-21 08:35:57, Info DISM API: PID=6156 TID=7468
CommandThread StartupEvent signaled - CCommandThread::WaitForStartup
2017-09-21 08:35:57, Info DISM API: PID=6156 TID=7468
m_pInternalThread started - CCommandThread::Start
2017-09-21 08:35:57, Info DISM API: PID=6156 TID=7468
Created g_internalDismSession - DismInitializeInternal
2017-09-21 08:35:57, Info DISM API: PID=6156 TID=7468
Leave DismInitializeInternal - DismInitializeInternal
2017-09-21 08:35:57, Info DISM API: PID=6156 TID=7468
Enter DismOpenSessionInternal - DismOpenSessionInternal
2017-09-21 08:35:57, Info DISM API: PID=6156 TID=7468
Input parameters: ImagePath: DISM_{53BFAE52-B167-4E2F-A258-0A37B57FF845},
WindowsDirectory: (null), SystemDrive: (null) - DismOpenSessionInternal
2017-09-21 08:35:57, Info DISM API: PID=6156 TID=7468
Lookup in table by path failed for: DRIVE_C -
CTransactionalImageTable::LookupImagePath
2017-09-21 08:35:57, Info DISM API: PID=6156 TID=7468
Waiting for m_pInternalThread to start - CCommandThread::Start
2017-09-21 08:35:57, Info DISM API: PID=6156 TID=4892
Enter CCommandThread::CommandThreadProcedureStub -
CCommandThread::CommandThreadProcedureStub

..... ..... ... this is a huge log ........ so I truncated it ....

Paul wrote:
HB wrote:
"Brick" wrote in message
news
- snip -

I run Windows Live Mail on Windows 10, so that's an option.

--
Brick Mortar

I downloaded it from Softonic and they're calling it "Windows
Essentials." It was installed underPrograms (x86). As I suspected,
there is nothing there but a wab.exe and a wabmig.exe file. No mail
program was installed. MS updates remove these older mail programs so
tell us how you got around that.

How did you get the updates stopped that are doing this in W-10?



http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi...nt-email.me%3E


16.4.3828.331
2012_Wave5
137,329,840 bytes

Using similar techniques you might be able to find other versions.

That file has a bunch of stuff in it, but I was unable to
actually find wlmail.exe !

Paul

C:\Program Files (x86)\Windows Live\Mail\wlmail.exe

Windows Essentials 2012 - full installer version/download required,
digital signature April 7, 2014 - installs fine on Windows 10 including
the latest Insider Build.

Unlike the stub installer was an optional route to install WLE12 suite
of programs - the backend server hosting the required downloadable bits
is no longer available to the public, though MSFT CSA(i.e. Support) does
have the ability to temporarily(limited time window) provide a MSFT
server download location - very rare and for the most part usually
restricted to last resort or special case issues/problems under
fee-based support.

Fyi...the full installer(identical bits, digital sig and last version)
is available on CNET, Major Geeks and a few mirrored sites.


--
....w¡ñ§±¤ñ
msft mvp 2007-2016, insider mvp 2016-2018

"HB" wrote in message news

Thanks, I have the software but MS prevents it from
installing on W-10.

This reply was created on WLM on Windows 10.
- Windows 10 clean installed(previously imaged then wiped the OEM
installation) on a new Win10 Home i7 8th gen latop(activated using the
product key on chip and digitally linked to an MSA on the MSFT server); WLM,
PhotoGallery/Movie Maker installed after Windows 10 setup.

When installing Windows Essentials 2012 programs(WLM, PG/MM, and Writer)
ensure that Windows 10's 'Windows Features' has enabled .NET 3.5.

One can access Windows features[Turn Windows features on or off] via Control
Panel/Programs and Features
a. Click the Win10 Start Menu orb(lower left on Taskbar), enter/type Control
Panel, click on Control Panel Desktop app, then Programs and Features
- Click on Turn Windows features on or off, then enable '.Net Framework
3.5'. Note it is not necessary to toggle on the .NET 3.5 two secondary
items - i.e. leave the two Windows Communication Foundation items unchecked.
or, optionally
b. one can access Programs and Features using the Win 10 'Run feature or via
Cortana search by entering(or cut and pasting the following)
C:\Windows\System32\appwiz.cpl
-repeat the same process for enabling .NET 3.5

As noted elsewhere and included as a reminder - installing WLM does require
the full version installer, the smaller web stub installer is no longer
functional since it attempts to connect to and download installer bits from
a server location that no longer exists.

Good luck.


-- --
....w¡ñ§±¤ñ
msft mvp 2007-2016, insider mvp 2016-2018

"...w¡ñ§±¤ñ" wrote

| Afaics, the culture, ecosystem and need/desire for 'one-place' email
| ceased quite some time ago for most end-users.
|

It's not really an issue of "one place" vs webmail.
It's real email vs freebie webmail that claims
co-ownership of your email and uses targetted ads
based on that content.
Nearly all ISPs now offer webmail as an option.
The host for my domain provides a webmail option.
I don't use it because it's a very poor substitute
for a real email program.

In other words, if you want to get your email
on the road you can do that without using
gmail, outlook.com, or yahoo.