How do you permanently stop Microsoft Edge?

On 08/20/2018 03:16 AM, mechanic wrote:
On Sun, 19 Aug 2018 20:39:39 -0400, slate_leeper wrote:

I never use Microsoft Edge. Yet I can't stop it from running. I
have searched via Google and found various suggestions or
"solutions," none of which have worked.

[etc]

Maybe you should think more laterally; why not embrace Edge as the
current/future standard Windows browser? What alternative is there?


I use Fudge and I love it. My default browser is Microsoft Fudge.


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On Mon, 20 Aug 2018 10:11:42 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

Here's my personal ranking of browsers, from best to worst:

FireFox
Maxthon
...
All the others that I haven't tried recently enough to have a strong
opinion of, so I can't put them in order.
...
Chrome
IE
Edge

My list is shorter because I haven't tried the others.

Browser - % of my usage
Firefox - 99.90
Chrome - 0.09
IE - 0.01
Edge - 0.00

On Mon, 20 Aug 2018 17:22:33 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Mon, 20 Aug 2018 10:11:42 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

Here's my personal ranking of browsers, from best to worst:

FireFox
Maxthon
...
All the others that I haven't tried recently enough to have a strong
opinion of, so I can't put them in order.
...
Chrome
IE
Edge

My list is shorter because I haven't tried the others.

Browser - % of my usage
Firefox - 99.90
Chrome - 0.09
IE - 0.01
Edge - 0.00



Your list is almost the same as mine. I've tried most of the others,
but only slightly.

On Mon, 20 Aug 2018 14:18:42 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Mon, 20 Aug 2018 13:03:05 -0700, Justin Tyme
wrote:

On Mon, 20 Aug 2018 10:17:26 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Mon, 20 Aug 2018 09:46:57 -0700, Justin Tyme
wrote:


I never use Edge so I removed it. Winaero has an Edge uninstaller that
works well. Get the Edge Uninistaller he

https://winaero.com/download.php?view.1835

Winaero also has a Cortana removal tool which works well. I have
uninstalled all apps, cortana and edge. Windows 10 is much better
without the useless crap I don't use.



I don't agree. Like you, I never use Edge or Cortana, but I let them
remain. It doesn't hurt to have applications that I don't use stay
there. Some day I may want to get to a web site that I can't get to
with FireFox, and so on.

So you think Edge would work where firefox would not?



No, I don't think that at all. What I think is that there's a
possibility that I may want to get to a web site where that's true.
Just because I haven't run into such a web site doesn't mean that I
never will.


I would try any
other browser first before I use Edge.


I would try what I think is most likely to work.


It also doesn't do any harm to
remove unwanted programs.


For application programs that are not part of Windows, yes, I agree.
But that might be wrong for a built-in program.


These days disk space is of little concern,


Right.


I remove those programs just like I remove any other program I don 't
use or want.



Even though there's no advantage to doing so? Your choice of course,
but I think that's a foolish choice.

Of course, I am free to think your choices are foolish as well.

Why do you say there is no advantage to removing the programs I don't
like? I think it is a huge advantage to remove bloatware. You remove
other programs you don't want/use so why not remove Microsoft
bloatware? Just because it comes from Microsoft does not make it some
holy software that thou shall not touch.

The only advantage in getting rid of an unused program is that you
save a little disk space. But if that small amount of disk space is
important to you, you have major problems that need a better solution.

No, you get rid if an unused, unwanted program because it is unwanted,
no need to keep an unwanted program is there? As I said, disk space is
not a concern. Since Win 10 first came out I have removed apps, edge
and cortana and I have not had one problem that was caused by the
removal of those apps. I have also not had the problems that those
apps cause.


I'm glad you haven't had any problems resulting from removing them.
But who knows what the future may bring to those results as Windows
gets new updates.

You may never have any problems as a result of removing them. I'm not
saying you will. My point is simply that there's a risk of having such
programs in the future, and doing something that has no benefit is not
a good bargain.

No benefit and no bargain to you maybe Ken. But that is just you, many
other people would argue that point. Do you have a lot of other
unused, useless programs installed on your computer?

Windows 10 has been out about 2 years or more. I have removed Edge,
Cortana and all Apps from day one. Since I have had zero problems in
those 2+ years then you can consider my beta test successful. The beta
tests the MS puts people thru with Edge (beta) Cortana (beta) and the
crappy apps occur every six months.

Anyway, the OP asked: How do you permanently stop Microsoft Edge?
Answer: You remove it.
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JT

On Mon, 20 Aug 2018 16:41:42 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Mon, 20 Aug 2018 18:05:20 +0100, mechanic
wrote:

On Mon, 20 Aug 2018 09:46:57 -0700, Justin Tyme wrote:

I never use Edge so I removed it. Winaero has an Edge uninstaller
that works well. Get the Edge Uninistaller he

https://winaero.com/download.php?view.1835

Winaero also has a Cortana removal tool which works well. I have
uninstalled all apps, cortana and edge. Windows 10 is much better
without the useless crap I don't use. Yes, they all come back
after a major update but it only takes a few minutes to remove
the bloat.

So why bother with Win10 in the first place? Stick in the 20thC.
with Win7 or even Vista.

I agree. For me and pretty much all of my work colleagues, Win7 is the
place to be. Win8 if you must, but avoid 10.

I would agree but Windows 10 without the apps. cortana, and edge is
really nice. It is much like Windows 7 would be if it was modern. If
MS had released Windows 10 LTSB everyone would have loved it.

Unfortunately, Windows 10 in its stock form is a constant beta test.
New problems every six months. I actually have no problems or issues
with Windows 10. I run the LTSB version so there are only security
updates. Feature updates are every three years, much like Windows 7. I
don't have any problems with the Pro version either but it is heavily
customized. I don't think I could go back to Windows 7 now.

Everyone should use the OS they like best. We all have different
experiences and expectations.
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On 2018-08-21, Justin Tyme wrote:
I would agree but Windows 10 without the apps. cortana, and edge is
really nice. It is much like Windows 7 would be if it was modern. If
MS had released Windows 10 LTSB everyone would have loved it.

Yes, once you strip away all the crap it's pretty nice to use.
(Out of the box it is obnoxious as hell.)

Unfortunately Windows 10 is a constantly moving target. In particular
it is a nightmare for system administrators on a domain to keep up with
all of the group policy and registry settings required to make Windows
10 Pro palatable in a business environment.

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Justin Tyme wrote:

Of course, I am free to think your choices are foolish as well.

Why do you say there is no advantage to removing the programs I don't
like? I think it is a huge advantage to remove bloatware. You remove
other programs you don't want/use so why not remove Microsoft
bloatware? Just because it comes from Microsoft does not make it some
holy software that thou shall not touch.

It's because the OS is upgraded twice a year (for
no apparent good reason), that making changes like
that are a waste of your time.

If you could be confident that removing an App,
removed it "forever", I'd be on your side.

However, I don't customize Windows 10 *at all*
because of its habit of undoing everything I do.
If I used Classic Shell for example, there would
be no guarantee that twice a year, something
would happen to it.

Even the ****ing screen blank after 10 minutes - every
time the video driver is updated, the OS changes the
screen blank from my 2 hour setting, back to 10 minutes.
I *hate this*. But, there's not a ****ing thing
I can do about it.

To add insult to injury (I think you'll like this one),
I ran a Microsoft diagnostic (a "Troubleshooter") one
day. And I'm looking in the log of the Troubleshooter
and I see

"We noticed your screen blank is set to 2 hours,
so we set it back to 10 minutes".

Doesn't that say it all ? Consumer antagonism
at its finest. So while it would appear on the
surface, the "driver" policy is just some horrible
software developer accident -- no Scotty, the
troubleshooter tells you what they really think
about you as a customer. It's a policy, not an
accident.

However, the Linux people have them beat, because
the Linux screen saver cuts in even faster than
ten minutes. Take *that* Microsoft :-/ Every time
I install a test distro for some reason, I have
to... well, you know. I can hardly see the screen,
because it's always going blank. Sometimes I
have to hit Enter to wake it up, but in
some cases the lock is also engaged and I
have to enter a Password.

Here's a tip of the hat to all the yoyos
in the world, who want to blank *my* screen... :-///

Paul

On Mon, 20 Aug 2018 20:26:58 -0400, Paul
wrote:

Justin Tyme wrote:

Of course, I am free to think your choices are foolish as well.

Why do you say there is no advantage to removing the programs I don't
like? I think it is a huge advantage to remove bloatware. You remove
other programs you don't want/use so why not remove Microsoft
bloatware? Just because it comes from Microsoft does not make it some
holy software that thou shall not touch.

It's because the OS is upgraded twice a year (for
no apparent good reason), that making changes like
that are a waste of your time.

If you could be confident that removing an App,
removed it "forever", I'd be on your side.

All true. The thing is, it only takes about 15 minutes to remove the
apps, cortana etc. and Bob's yer Uncle (or maybe yer Aunt, who knows
these days?) so 15 minutes every 6 months is not too bad.

I only have to do this with the one computer I have that runs Win10
Pro. The LTSB version doesn't have that crap in the first place.

Snip

Paul
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JT

On Mon, 20 Aug 2018 20:26:58 -0400, Paul wrote:

Justin Tyme wrote:

Of course, I am free to think your choices are foolish as well.

Why do you say there is no advantage to removing the programs I don't
like? I think it is a huge advantage to remove bloatware. You remove
other programs you don't want/use so why not remove Microsoft
bloatware? Just because it comes from Microsoft does not make it some
holy software that thou shall not touch.

It's because the OS is upgraded twice a year (for
no apparent good reason), that making changes like
that are a waste of your time.

If you could be confident that removing an App,
removed it "forever", I'd be on your side.

However, I don't customize Windows 10 *at all*
because of its habit of undoing everything I do.
If I used Classic Shell for example, there would
be no guarantee that twice a year, something
would happen to it.

Even the ****ing screen blank after 10 minutes - every
time the video driver is updated, the OS changes the
screen blank from my 2 hour setting, back to 10 minutes.
I *hate this*. But, there's not a ****ing thing
I can do about it.

I wonder if you could get away with adding a line to your startup
script, if you have such a thing and if OS updates don't neuter it, to
(re)set the screen blank to 10 minutes. I assume the screen blank
timeout is in the registry, but I don't know where to look. I checked
HKCU/Control Panel/Desktop, which has a toggle for "ScreenSaveActive"
but I didn't see a key for the timeout. I also checked Nircmd and Steve
Gibson's Wizmo tools.

On Mon, 20 Aug 2018 16:41:42 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Mon, 20 Aug 2018 18:05:20 +0100, mechanic
wrote:

On Mon, 20 Aug 2018 09:46:57 -0700, Justin Tyme wrote:

I never use Edge so I removed it. Winaero has an Edge uninstaller
that works well. Get the Edge Uninistaller he

https://winaero.com/download.php?view.1835

Winaero also has a Cortana removal tool which works well. I have
uninstalled all apps, cortana and edge. Windows 10 is much better
without the useless crap I don't use. Yes, they all come back
after a major update but it only takes a few minutes to remove
the bloat.

So why bother with Win10 in the first place? Stick in the 20thC.
with Win7 or even Vista.

I agree. For me and pretty much all of my work colleagues, Win7 is the
place to be. Win8 if you must, but avoid 10.

The problem with that is Windows 7 only has 16 months before support
ends. There will be no security updates after Jan 14, 2020. For the
businesses that value security there will be no choice but to move to
Windows 10. Better to get used to it now rather than wait to end of
Win 7 support if you depend on MS for your business needs.

Windows 10 isn't bad at all. The Home version sucks but Pro is good.
You are a smart guy Char so I doubt you would have any problems with
W10. A lot of the complaints that you read here are user error. It is
very rare that I have any of the problems I read about in this
newsgroup. If you have the right settings Windows 10 runs smooth. In
couple of years as hardware dies there will not be a choice if you
stick with MS. One day you will be running Win10 and you will wonder
what all the fuss was about.
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JT

Char Jackson wrote:
On Mon, 20 Aug 2018 20:26:58 -0400, Paul wrote:

Justin Tyme wrote:

Of course, I am free to think your choices are foolish as well.

Why do you say there is no advantage to removing the programs I don't
like? I think it is a huge advantage to remove bloatware. You remove
other programs you don't want/use so why not remove Microsoft
bloatware? Just because it comes from Microsoft does not make it some
holy software that thou shall not touch.
It's because the OS is upgraded twice a year (for
no apparent good reason), that making changes like
that are a waste of your time.

If you could be confident that removing an App,
removed it "forever", I'd be on your side.

However, I don't customize Windows 10 *at all*
because of its habit of undoing everything I do.
If I used Classic Shell for example, there would
be no guarantee that twice a year, something
would happen to it.

Even the ****ing screen blank after 10 minutes - every
time the video driver is updated, the OS changes the
screen blank from my 2 hour setting, back to 10 minutes.
I *hate this*. But, there's not a ****ing thing
I can do about it.

I wonder if you could get away with adding a line to your startup
script, if you have such a thing and if OS updates don't neuter it, to
(re)set the screen blank to 10 minutes. I assume the screen blank
timeout is in the registry, but I don't know where to look. I checked
HKCU/Control Panel/Desktop, which has a toggle for "ScreenSaveActive"
but I didn't see a key for the timeout. I also checked Nircmd and Steve
Gibson's Wizmo tools.

That's an admission of defeat though.

Maybe I could install one of those programs that
keeps the OS busy, so it never enters the screen
blank state. Movie players are supposed to use
some sort of multimedia flag, that prevents screen
blanking while a movie plays.

By not fixing this, I'm waiting for Microsoft
to come to their senses. Hasn't happened yet.

Maybe Microsoft could make a big AI project out
of it. Recording how many times the user changes
the value away from 10 minutes, as a means of
determining how frustrated the user is getting.
We could harness their "theater of the absurd"
approach to user preferences, to our advantage.

Paul

On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 00:21:34 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake wrote:

Unfortunately Windows 10 is a constantly moving target. In
particular it is a nightmare for system administrators on a
domain to keep up with all of the group policy and registry
settings required to make Windows 10 Pro palatable in a business
environment.

That's what the Enterprise and LTSB versions are for. Normal human
users like bells and whistles.

"Justin Tyme" wrote

| All true. The thing is, it only takes about 15 minutes to remove the
| apps, cortana etc. and Bob's yer Uncle (or maybe yer Aunt, who knows
| these days?) so 15 minutes every 6 months is not too bad.
|
| I only have to do this with the one computer I have that runs Win10
| Pro. The LTSB version doesn't have that crap in the first place.

You keep talking about LTSB. Win10 "sucks" but LTSB
is good. There's no legal way to get that without an
"enterprise" license, which requires paying for a very
large number of licenses in one batch, as part of a
corporate contract.

Then you say Home "sucks" but Pro is good. There's
never been a lot of difference between the two, aside
from Pro being much more expensive. You can control
the Microsoft hacking a bit more with Pro, but that's
hardly a selling point. I have both Home and Pro
Win7 here. I never think about which is which. And
none of them require me to stop MS hacking.

You also say most of the problems you see reported
are "user error" from people who just don't get how to
use it. What I see is mostly questions about "how do
I fix x now that update y broke it?". This question is
similar: "How do I stop Microsoft software I don't want
but which won't stop running?"

Your answer is that a 3rd party program can probably
do it but you'll need to run it periodically, and hope that
MS don't change something that breaks that software.
That's not a selling point for Win10.

So people are really faced with uncontrolled updates,
an uncontrollable system, and spyware. And if they want
to work at it they can do as you do: Run 3rd party
tweakers regularly to clean up some of the worst problems.
Apparently you don't mind the spyware or the unstable
dripfeed of updates. And you even prefer that because
security updates for 7 will be gone in 2 years if they
don't extend them.

All of this is still not taking into consideration the fact
that anything can happen going forward. It's not your
system. They claim the right to manage it and update it
as they like. Once they get most people on it, is there
any reason to think they won't start charging and/or
making it adware? Look at the general pattern in the
tech world: People joined Facebook to chat with their
friends. Once Zuck got them hooked it became ad-
infested spyware that decides which friends' posts you'll
see. Similarly with Twitter. Google started out with honest
contextual ads along the side. Now their search engine is
spyware and they're also controlling many of the ads on
pages you visit. Just this past week I've been looking into
maps options. I wrote a program to pull in free Google
maps, directions and streetview, without having to go
to Google with a browser. It was free as long as 1) my
software is free and 2) I put a Google logo in my software.
But now that Google controls maps, they've announced
there's no longer any free version. They jacked up the
prices and if I want to get maps I'd have to give them a
credit card. I can then get free maps up to a point. But
if users of my software go over the limit, or if someone
steals my key, then Google would have a right to charge
my credit card any amount. And why would I even trust
Google not to charge my card dishonestly? They're not
honest. The only reason to have my card is so that they
can eventually start charging me.

Microsoft are already renting Windows with "cloud
services" in some scenarios. I see no reason to think
Win10 is not a trojan horse. If they're smart they'll do
like Zuck, waiting until Win10 is the norm before
clamping down. But once it is the norm, why wouldn't
they charge? They're not even making a secret of it.
They're boasting to anyone who will listen that their
business is now devices and services. *Microsoft no
longer want to sell you software. Win10 is officially
a service.*
People pay for services. You *will* pay.

On 08/20/2018 07:11 PM, Justin Tyme wrote:

[snip]

Everyone should use the OS they like best. We all have different
experiences and expectations.

And why limit it to just one OS?

On 8/20/2018 8:39 AM, slate_leeper wrote:
I never use Microsoft Edge. Yet I can't stop it from running. I have
searched via Google and found various suggestions or "solutions," none
of which have worked.


If you have lots of RAM, don't bother to remove Edge. Just leave it
untouched.

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