PDFs ARGH!

Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Wed, 02 Dec 2015 17:10:15 -0000, Cy Burnot
wrote:

Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote on 12/1/2015 6:41 PM:
On Tue, 01 Dec 2015 23:25:13 -0000, Cy Burnot
wrote:

Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote on 12/1/2015 5:50 PM:

Ulterior motive detected.

Such as???

Dunno, you snipped it.


Here's my original post:

"Could we back up a bit? What do you mean by "Adobe's output", the
calendar file?

"How was this PDF file created?"


What ulterior motive do you see?

I see you wanting to blame the creator of the file. No other reason
you'd want to know.


You could always start with a publicly available document,
then note that it malfunctions. Then others can play with
it and offer advice.

http://transit.toronto.on.ca/archive.../rg2013sep.pdf

( http://transit.toronto.on.ca/spare/0053.shtml )

Transit maps tend to be oversized PDFs. And different
cities use different sizes.

Paul

Paul wrote on 12/3/2015 12:22 PM:

You could always start with a publicly available document,
then note that it malfunctions. Then others can play with
it and offer advice.

http://transit.toronto.on.ca/archive.../rg2013sep.pdf

( http://transit.toronto.on.ca/spare/0053.shtml )

Transit maps tend to be oversized PDFs. And different
cities use different sizes.

Good idea! Thanks.

On Thu, 03 Dec 2015 16:35:58 -0000, Cy Burnot wrote:

Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote on 12/3/2015 10:05 AM:
On Wed, 02 Dec 2015 17:10:15 -0000, Cy Burnot wrote:

Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote on 12/1/2015 6:41 PM:
On Tue, 01 Dec 2015 23:25:13 -0000, Cy Burnot wrote:

Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote on 12/1/2015 5:50 PM:

Ulterior motive detected.

Such as???

Dunno, you snipped it.


Here's my original post:

"Could we back up a bit? What do you mean by "Adobe's output", the
calendar file?

"How was this PDF file created?"


What ulterior motive do you see?

I see you wanting to blame the creator of the file. No other reason you'd want to know.

Not looking to blame. When there's a problem, I like to go back to square 1.

Why would the creation of the file matter when considering the application not being able to print the same as what is in the preview? There is clearly a a fault with the preview or print rendering, which for some reason are different.

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Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Thu, 03 Dec 2015 17:22:18 -0000, Paul wrote:

Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Wed, 02 Dec 2015 17:10:15 -0000, Cy Burnot
wrote:

Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote on 12/1/2015 6:41 PM:
On Tue, 01 Dec 2015 23:25:13 -0000, Cy Burnot
wrote:

Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote on 12/1/2015 5:50 PM:

Ulterior motive detected.

Such as???

Dunno, you snipped it.


Here's my original post:

"Could we back up a bit? What do you mean by "Adobe's output", the
calendar file?

"How was this PDF file created?"


What ulterior motive do you see?

I see you wanting to blame the creator of the file. No other reason
you'd want to know.


You could always start with a publicly available document,
then note that it malfunctions. Then others can play with
it and offer advice.

http://transit.toronto.on.ca/archive.../rg2013sep.pdf

( http://transit.toronto.on.ca/spare/0053.shtml )

Transit maps tend to be oversized PDFs. And different
cities use different sizes.

Paul

That has produced an even worse fault. I cannot select the "poster"
button at all!

trolling trolling trolling trolling trolling

On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 03:37:17 -0000, Good Guy wrote:

On 26/11/2015 16:30, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
Why do companies insist on using PDFs where you are required to fill
them in!

Because Adobe has convinced everybody that pdf forms are the best method
to provide forms that users can fill them out in their own time without
an internet connection!!

The world is full of gullible fools.

PDF is a read only document!

No it is not. If it was read only then how can you create them in the
first place?

Once it's created it's read only.

You are Tough aren't you? Is 1265 your prison number?

What has toughness to do with document formats?

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On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 01:22:13 -0000, Brian Gregory wrote:

On 27/11/2015 12:57, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 12:17:52 -0000, Brian Gregory
wrote:

On 26/11/2015 20:22, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 20:00:37 -0000, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

On 11/26/2015 11:30 AM, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
Why do companies insist on using PDFs where you are required to fill
them in! PDF is a read only document!

PDF can be made to be fill in forms. If it is a PDF form you will have
to save to a PDF file to save the form with the information

I've hardly ever seen that happen. The fact remains we just don't need
PDF.


What do you suggest instead?

Something everybody has - RTF, DOC, etc.


RTF maybe.
I haven't really used it much.

Unfortunately DOC has poor support outside of the MS Windows world.
For instance OpenOffice and LibreOffice can open them but the results
can be disappointing with complex documents.

Most people use windows.

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On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 01:19:02 -0000, Brian Gregory wrote:

On 27/11/2015 17:36, mick wrote:
On 27/11/2015 17:15:23, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 17:03:08 -0000, edevils
wrote:

On 27/11/2015 17:55, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 16:43:01 -0000, edevils
wrote:

On 27/11/2015 13:17, Brian Gregory wrote:
On 26/11/2015 20:22, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 20:00:37 -0000, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

On 11/26/2015 11:30 AM, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
Why do companies insist on using PDFs where you are required to
fill
them in! PDF is a read only document!

PDF can be made to be fill in forms. If it is a PDF form you
will have
to save to a PDF file to save the form with the information

I've hardly ever seen that happen. The fact remains we just
don't need
PDF.


What do you suggest instead?

In Italy, when we do our taxes online, we use web forms.
Web tax return forms automatically calculate your totals and how much
you are due to pay.
That wouldn't be possible with a PDF form.

Why do you have to do your taxes at all?

Actually many (most?) people don't have to.

I can only speak for the UK, where only the self employed fill in taxes

I'm retired and still have to do self assessment on line in the UK.


Yes. I still do them online since I stopped working. I used to always
get few quid back each year but various governments have changed things
now so that, for instance, the government keeps the tax on share
dividends even if you're earning less than your allowance.
:-(

Why on earth would you self assess when retired? I'm pretty sure my father doesn't.

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On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 01:18:00 -0000, DevilsPGD wrote:

In the last episode of , Cy Burnot
said:

Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote on 11/27/2015 5:59 PM:
On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 22:54:08 -0000, Cy Burnot wrote:

Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote on 11/27/2015 7:59 AM:

When is the US going to get out of the last century? It's utterly ridiculous to have every one of your people filling in taxes.

You don't have deductions that reduce the amount of tax you pay?

Yes, but the employer does it. It's called PAYE (Pay As You Earn).
Our wage slips show these deductions, but the amount going into our
bank accounts is simply the net amount after deductions. We don't
have to concern ourselves with the deductions at all.

What about variable deductions, like medical expenses and donations to
charities?

Most countries don't have substantial medical expenses like the US, but
for those that do, at least some have automated this process. Charities
can automatically file their receipts too, if enough people donate
enough money to be worthwhile.

What benefit is there is having people fill out paperwork when the gov't
already receives the information they need for the majority of
individuals automatically?

So they can hand out fines to those who fill them in wrong.

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On 12/12/15 4:28 PM, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 03:37:17 -0000, Good Guy wrote:

On 26/11/2015 16:30, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
Why do companies insist on using PDFs where you are required to fill
them in!

Because Adobe has convinced everybody that pdf forms are the best method
to provide forms that users can fill them out in their own time without
an internet connection!!

The world is full of gullible fools.

PDF is a read only document!

No it is not. If it was read only then how can you create them in the
first place?

Once it's created it's read only.

I see you've learned nothing. Sad, really.

You are Tough aren't you? Is 1265 your prison number?

What has toughness to do with document formats?



--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 42.0
Thunderbird 38.0.1
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

On Sat, 12 Dec 2015 23:40:22 -0000, Ken Springer wrote:

On 12/12/15 4:28 PM, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 03:37:17 -0000, Good Guy wrote:

On 26/11/2015 16:30, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
Why do companies insist on using PDFs where you are required to fill
them in!

Because Adobe has convinced everybody that pdf forms are the best method
to provide forms that users can fill them out in their own time without
an internet connection!!

The world is full of gullible fools.

PDF is a read only document!

No it is not. If it was read only then how can you create them in the
first place?

Once it's created it's read only.

I see you've learned nothing. Sad, really.

It's been read only every single bloody time I have to enter data into one. Never happened with normal formats like doc and rtf, which simply don't have a read only function. Making something read only is censorship and must be stopped!

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On 12/12/2015 23:29:21, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 01:19:02 -0000, Brian Gregory
wrote:

On 27/11/2015 17:36, mick wrote:
On 27/11/2015 17:15:23, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 17:03:08 -0000, edevils
wrote:

On 27/11/2015 17:55, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 16:43:01 -0000, edevils
wrote:

On 27/11/2015 13:17, Brian Gregory wrote:
On 26/11/2015 20:22, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 20:00:37 -0000, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

On 11/26/2015 11:30 AM, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
Why do companies insist on using PDFs where you are required to
fill
them in! PDF is a read only document!

PDF can be made to be fill in forms. If it is a PDF form you
will have
to save to a PDF file to save the form with the information

I've hardly ever seen that happen. The fact remains we just
don't need
PDF.


What do you suggest instead?

In Italy, when we do our taxes online, we use web forms.
Web tax return forms automatically calculate your totals and how much
you are due to pay.
That wouldn't be possible with a PDF form.

Why do you have to do your taxes at all?

Actually many (most?) people don't have to.

I can only speak for the UK, where only the self employed fill in taxes

I'm retired and still have to do self assessment on line in the UK.


Yes. I still do them online since I stopped working. I used to always
get few quid back each year but various governments have changed things
now so that, for instance, the government keeps the tax on share
dividends even if you're earning less than your allowance.
:-(

Why on earth would you self assess when retired? I'm pretty sure my father
doesn't.

Being a benefits scrounger I guess you wouldn't understand.
https://www.gov.uk/self-assessment-t...d-a-tax-return

--
mick

On 12/12/15 4:42 PM, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Sat, 12 Dec 2015 23:40:22 -0000, Ken Springer wrote:

On 12/12/15 4:28 PM, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 03:37:17 -0000, Good Guy wrote:

On 26/11/2015 16:30, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
Why do companies insist on using PDFs where you are required to fill
them in!

Because Adobe has convinced everybody that pdf forms are the best method
to provide forms that users can fill them out in their own time without
an internet connection!!

The world is full of gullible fools.

PDF is a read only document!

No it is not. If it was read only then how can you create them in the
first place?

Once it's created it's read only.

I see you've learned nothing. Sad, really.

It's been read only every single bloody time I have to enter data into one. Never happened with normal formats like doc and rtf, which simply don't have a read only function. Making something read only is censorship and must be stopped!

I don't know about RTF, but doc formats can be set to read only.

--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 42.0
Thunderbird 38.0.1
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

On 12 Dec 2015, Ken Springer wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

On 12/12/15 4:42 PM, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
It's been read only every single bloody time I have to enter data
into one. Never happened with normal formats like doc and rtf,
which simply don't have a read only function. Making something
read only is censorship and must be stopped!

I don't know about RTF, but doc formats can be set to read only.

Don't confuse the troll with facts. He's here to spread stupid,
transparent lies, not to solve a problem or learn the truth.

On 12/12/15 6:54 PM, Nil wrote:
On 12 Dec 2015, Ken Springer wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

On 12/12/15 4:42 PM, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
It's been read only every single bloody time I have to enter data
into one. Never happened with normal formats like doc and rtf,
which simply don't have a read only function. Making something
read only is censorship and must be stopped!

I don't know about RTF, but doc formats can be set to read only.

Don't confuse the troll with facts. He's here to spread stupid,
transparent lies, not to solve a problem or learn the truth.

I thought he was here to show his ignorance and 6 year old mentality. LOL


--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 42.0
Thunderbird 38.0.1
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote on 12/12/2015 6:28 PM:
On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 01:22:13 -0000, Brian Gregory wrote:

Unfortunately DOC has poor support outside of the MS Windows world.
For instance OpenOffice and LibreOffice can open them but the results
can be disappointing with complex documents.

Most people use windows.

OO and LO are available for Windows.