fbl_impressive Professional 10166 seems to be available on fastchannel

fbl_impressive Professional 10166 seems to be available on fast channel.

I'm starting to download it now.

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I have 10166 installed and running

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fbl_impressive Professional 10166 seems to be available on fast channel.

I'm starting to download it now.have

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On 10/07/2015 02:43, Brian Gregory wrote:
fbl_impressive Professional 10166 seems to be available on fast channel.

I'm starting to download it now.


This time it seems to be downloading it with a single TCP connection
which is nice.

Last time it seemed to open up over a dozen TCP connections, mostly to
the same server and max them all out and more or less prevented anything
else using my internet connection. I couldn't even stream a 128k MP3
stream at the same time.

But so far this time it's okay.

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In message , Dicky
writes
I have 10166 installed and running

Yes, I have it installed.

The scroll bars are still broken.
One Drive still wants me to log in on starting, but now has errors on
the "script on this page".
MySQL is still broken.
W10 hung on first startup.

I've given up on the testing I was hoping to do with audio interfaces.

The dive to disaster still looks to be on course.

I was hoping for better things.
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On Fri, 10 Jul 2015 09:07:03 +0100, Bill wrote:

In message , Dicky
writes
I have 10166 installed and running

Yes, I have it installed.

The scroll bars are still broken.
One Drive still wants me to log in on starting, but now has errors on
the "script on this page".
MySQL is still broken.
W10 hung on first startup.

I've given up on the testing I was hoping to do with audio interfaces.

The dive to disaster still looks to be on course.

I was hoping for better things.

Seems to be running fine hare and the scroll bars are working fine.
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In message , Geordie
writes
Seems to be running fine hare and the scroll bars are working fine.

So the vertical scroll bars don't disappear while you are reading the
page and you don't have to wiggle the mouse to be able to scroll down to
the next page?

They do on 3 machines here, and I haven't found any setting to remove
the fault.
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Bill

On 10/07/2015 11:44, Bill wrote:
In message , Geordie
writes
Seems to be running fine hare and the scroll bars are working fine.

So the vertical scroll bars don't disappear while you are reading the
page and you don't have to wiggle the mouse to be able to scroll down to
the next page?

They do on 3 machines here, and I haven't found any setting to remove
the fault.

In what program running on Win10TP are the scroll bars disappearing?

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On Fri, 10 Jul 2015 11:44:58 +0100, Bill wrote:

In message , Geordie
writes
Seems to be running fine hare and the scroll bars are working fine.

So the vertical scroll bars don't disappear while you are reading the
page and you don't have to wiggle the mouse to be able to scroll down to
the next page?

No, they do not disappear.

They do on 3 machines here, and I haven't found any setting to remove
the fault.

Sorry, I can't help you with that I'm afraid.
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Geordie
Lord bless Thy chosen in this place, For here thou has a chosen race

In message , Brian
Gregory writes
In what program running on Win10TP are the scroll bars disappearing?

"All Apps" in the start menu.
IE
Edge or whatever it's called today
Most of the "Settings" eg Notifications and actions
etc. etc.

In other words almost any Microsoft written software. Other software eg
PaleMoon (like Firefox) and LibreOffice Writer has scroll bars that
remain.

The way I work is that I put the cursor low down on the scroll bar and
just click to page down. This is what doesn't work when the scroll bars
have disappeared.
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Bill

Bill wrote:
In message , Brian
Gregory writes
In what program running on Win10TP are the scroll bars disappearing?

"All Apps" in the start menu.
IE
Edge or whatever it's called today
Most of the "Settings" eg Notifications and actions
etc. etc.

In other words almost any Microsoft written software. Other software eg
PaleMoon (like Firefox) and LibreOffice Writer has scroll bars that remain.

The way I work is that I put the cursor low down on the scroll bar and
just click to page down. This is what doesn't work when the scroll bars
have disappeared.

My guess is, you've installed some preliminary release, and
have upgrade installed these things, one on top of the other.

If your plan is to "OS test" now, for your audio work,
you should be doing a clean install with a recent DVD image.
At the moment, that would be 10162 from the slow ring.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...so-update-1504

The purpose of doing a clean install, is to avoid inheriting
"bad mojo" from a previous release.

Note that, the initial OS preparation time will be lower,
with a clean install. The Windows Defender tends to scan
Windows.old as well as Windows, if you upgrade install. It's
one of the reasons I usually use Cleanmgr.exe as soon as
the OS is responsive, to remove the Windows.old from Win10 TP
installation. On a real OS installation, I would not be
in quite as much of a rush. But with this prototype stuff,
I try to clean up as soon as possible.

For audio work, you should be testing on real hardware, and
not in a VM. Stick a spare disk in your audio workstation,
do a clean install, then test your scroll bars. It could be,
that just the automated driver installation will manage
to brick the machine, before you get to do anything
with it :-) Doing it this way, is a more realistic test
case (of what RTM will be like). In my last OS installation,
my webcam (not plugged in), the driver got reinstalled somehow,
leading to looping behavior. So if you have a decent set of
custom hardware cards... I would expect the OS to go nutso.

Paul

In message , Paul writes
My guess is, you've installed some preliminary release, and
have upgrade installed these things, one on top of the other.

If your plan is to "OS test" now, for your audio work,
you should be doing a clean install with a recent DVD image.
At the moment, that would be 10162 from the slow ring.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...so-update-1504

The purpose of doing a clean install, is to avoid inheriting
"bad mojo" from a previous release.

Note that, the initial OS preparation time will be lower,
with a clean install. The Windows Defender tends to scan
Windows.old as well as Windows, if you upgrade install. It's
one of the reasons I usually use Cleanmgr.exe as soon as
the OS is responsive, to remove the Windows.old from Win10 TP
installation. On a real OS installation, I would not be
in quite as much of a rush. But with this prototype stuff,
I try to clean up as soon as possible.

For audio work, you should be testing on real hardware, and
not in a VM. Stick a spare disk in your audio workstation,
do a clean install, then test your scroll bars. It could be,
that just the automated driver installation will manage
to brick the machine, before you get to do anything
with it :-) Doing it this way, is a more realistic test
case (of what RTM will be like). In my last OS installation,
my webcam (not plugged in), the driver got reinstalled somehow,
leading to looping behavior. So if you have a decent set of
custom hardware cards... I would expect the OS to go nutso.

Thanks, Paul. You are the second person to have told me that recently,
so now I'm copying files around the network so as to be able to rebuild
the whole system on the 10162 image. The other advice was about my
problems with MySQL errors.

My thinking, which I did have great doubts about, was that I might
simulate the real future forced upgrade system to see how it would work.
Presumably there won't be new builds to the public when the software is
released.

Part of my copying has to be done because I can't get 10166 to burn an
image without saying there are errors using the built-in Windows burn
software. I have imgburn on other machines.

I was only testing audio on W10 via usb interfaces, and have virtually
abandoned that for now. For real audio I have the XP and Vista desktop
machines plus a bunch of W7 laptops. I don't use VM's for audio or for
this testing.

Oh well, 66% copied so far. I'll maybe get it installed and the system
rebuilt on top by tomorrow.
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Bill

On 10/07/2015 15:17, Bill wrote:
In message , Brian
Gregory writes
In what program running on Win10TP are the scroll bars disappearing?

"All Apps" in the start menu.
IE
Edge or whatever it's called today
Most of the "Settings" eg Notifications and actions
etc. etc.

In other words almost any Microsoft written software. Other software eg
PaleMoon (like Firefox) and LibreOffice Writer has scroll bars that remain.

The way I work is that I put the cursor low down on the scroll bar and
just click to page down. This is what doesn't work when the scroll bars
have disappeared.

It seems okay on my 64 bit Win 10 running in a VirtualBox 4.3.28 VM.

I can't see any scroll bars vanishing.

Weird.

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To email me please remove all the letter vee from my email address.

On 10/07/2015 17:24, Paul wrote:
Bill wrote:
In message , Brian
Gregory writes
In what program running on Win10TP are the scroll bars disappearing?

"All Apps" in the start menu.
IE
Edge or whatever it's called today
Most of the "Settings" eg Notifications and actions
etc. etc.

In other words almost any Microsoft written software. Other software
eg PaleMoon (like Firefox) and LibreOffice Writer has scroll bars that
remain.

The way I work is that I put the cursor low down on the scroll bar and
just click to page down. This is what doesn't work when the scroll
bars have disappeared.

My guess is, you've installed some preliminary release, and
have upgrade installed these things, one on top of the other.

If your plan is to "OS test" now, for your audio work,
you should be doing a clean install with a recent DVD image.
At the moment, that would be 10162 from the slow ring.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...so-update-1504

The purpose of doing a clean install, is to avoid inheriting
"bad mojo" from a previous release.

Note that, the initial OS preparation time will be lower,
with a clean install. The Windows Defender tends to scan
Windows.old as well as Windows, if you upgrade install. It's
one of the reasons I usually use Cleanmgr.exe as soon as
the OS is responsive, to remove the Windows.old from Win10 TP
installation. On a real OS installation, I would not be
in quite as much of a rush. But with this prototype stuff,
I try to clean up as soon as possible.

For audio work, you should be testing on real hardware, and
not in a VM. Stick a spare disk in your audio workstation,
do a clean install, then test your scroll bars. It could be,
that just the automated driver installation will manage
to brick the machine, before you get to do anything
with it :-) Doing it this way, is a more realistic test
case (of what RTM will be like). In my last OS installation,
my webcam (not plugged in), the driver got reinstalled somehow,
leading to looping behavior. So if you have a decent set of
custom hardware cards... I would expect the OS to go nutso.

Paul

FWIW my installation has been upgraded step by step from the very first
public preview release (I may have missed a few builds out but not many)
and the scroll bars work okay.

Just one of those weird infuriating baffling things Microsoft put in to
keep us awake.

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Brian Gregory (in the UK).
To email me please remove all the letter vee from my email address.

Brian Gregory wrote:
On 10/07/2015 17:24, Paul wrote:
Bill wrote:
In message , Brian
Gregory writes
In what program running on Win10TP are the scroll bars disappearing?

"All Apps" in the start menu.
IE
Edge or whatever it's called today
Most of the "Settings" eg Notifications and actions
etc. etc.

In other words almost any Microsoft written software. Other software
eg PaleMoon (like Firefox) and LibreOffice Writer has scroll bars that
remain.

The way I work is that I put the cursor low down on the scroll bar and
just click to page down. This is what doesn't work when the scroll
bars have disappeared.

My guess is, you've installed some preliminary release, and
have upgrade installed these things, one on top of the other.

If your plan is to "OS test" now, for your audio work,
you should be doing a clean install with a recent DVD image.
At the moment, that would be 10162 from the slow ring.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...so-update-1504

The purpose of doing a clean install, is to avoid inheriting
"bad mojo" from a previous release.

Note that, the initial OS preparation time will be lower,
with a clean install. The Windows Defender tends to scan
Windows.old as well as Windows, if you upgrade install. It's
one of the reasons I usually use Cleanmgr.exe as soon as
the OS is responsive, to remove the Windows.old from Win10 TP
installation. On a real OS installation, I would not be
in quite as much of a rush. But with this prototype stuff,
I try to clean up as soon as possible.

For audio work, you should be testing on real hardware, and
not in a VM. Stick a spare disk in your audio workstation,
do a clean install, then test your scroll bars. It could be,
that just the automated driver installation will manage
to brick the machine, before you get to do anything
with it :-) Doing it this way, is a more realistic test
case (of what RTM will be like). In my last OS installation,
my webcam (not plugged in), the driver got reinstalled somehow,
leading to looping behavior. So if you have a decent set of
custom hardware cards... I would expect the OS to go nutso.

Paul

FWIW my installation has been upgraded step by step from the very first
public preview release (I may have missed a few builds out but not many)
and the scroll bars work okay.

Just one of those weird infuriating baffling things Microsoft put in to
keep us awake.


I've read one article, about Microsoft releasing "A/B" images.
Half the people get one option, half the people get the other.
I changed a registry setting on mine, so I could "enjoy" the
Aero decoration around the main menu. Because apparently the
registry was set differently on my installation. (Mine didn't
have Aero enabled, after the install was finished.)

I don't know how that is implemented. Whether the OS "calls home"
to request customization details, or half the people get one ISO,
and half get the other ISO. Calling home seems more efficient, as then
all the ISO files look identical.

Paul

In message , Paul writes
I've read one article, about Microsoft releasing "A/B" images.
Half the people get one option, half the people get the other.
I changed a registry setting on mine, so I could "enjoy" the
Aero decoration around the main menu. Because apparently the
registry was set differently on my installation. (Mine didn't
have Aero enabled, after the install was finished.)

Right, I've installed 10162 from the iso.

The scroll bars disappear from under the cursor after a short delay just
as they did before. I was tempted to joke that everyone else must have
Parkinson's disease, affecting their mouse handling, but that would have
been in bad taste.

There is one improvement in that previously there was a glitch when
coming out of "sleep", where I got a message about the video having
recovered successfully from a failure. This no longer occurs. I lost
sound with the new install, but went onto the Lenovo site and found the
chipset driver, which brought this back.

These test machines are all Intel based, with Intel video.

One thing that might make my results dubious is that the machine has the
existing W7 partition still in place and I am installing onto a separate
partition for W10. I installed the iso without re-formatting the W10
partition and the new installation still has the previously installed
data on the new C: drive. So for example where I had a C:\download
directory previously, I still have a C:\download directory with the same
data in place. I hadn't expected this, but then I usually find myself
installing on a new drive.

I definitely chose the "Advanced" install option - the one that says you
will lose all your data.

If MS are really sending out 2 versions of W10, they are misguided. I
spent part of last night trying to talk a friend into how to put W7 back
on his machine. We failed with that, too, but I think with a fresh
brain he may be quick enough today to hit the right buttons at the right
time to get the boot from DVD working.
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Bill