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Any backup programs that do not store in proprietary formats?
Per T:
You guys have a favorite that archives in a non-proprietary format? I used SecondCopy for quite a few years. One thing I liked about it was that I could specify generations of backup to keep and all the versions of a given file were right there in the same place - so I could just walk the file manager's list and choose the ones I wanted to restore. -- Pete Cresswell |
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Any backup programs that do not store in proprietary formats?
Per mike:
A couple of clicks in Macrium will mount the backup and give you access as a drive letter. What's unacceptable about that? I have switched to Macrium and been using it for a couple years+, but the problem with all of the database-based backup utilities that I have tried (including Macrium) is that if, for instance, I have fat-fingered a Word document, saved it, and only discovered the problem days later I have to mount a whole bunch of incremental backups and hunt through them one-by-one looking for a "Good" version of the doc. What is needed is a presentation of all incremental backups on a file-by-file basis with all versions of a given file appearing sequentially in a selectable list. Not gonna happen, I am sure.... probably for reasons I wouldn't understand anyhow. I went to Macrium from a file-based utility called SecondCopy partially because SC was getting weird on my machine - and Macrium seems to be a really solid product... but the easy availability of multiple versions of a given file still calls out to me. -- Pete Cresswell |
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Any backup programs that do not store in proprietary formats?
Per Java Jive:
I split every system I own, Linux or Windows, into two areas, system disk or partition and data disk or partition, and I back them up seperately in different ways. Amen!.... I thought I was the only one. Still cannot figure out why OS publishers like MS do not build that strategy into the way their systems are installed. -- Pete Cresswell |
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Any backup programs that do not store in proprietary formats?
On 5/2/2018 7:49 AM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per mike: A couple of clicks in Macrium will mount the backup and give you access as a drive letter. What's unacceptable about that? I have switched to Macrium and been using it for a couple years+, but the problem with all of the database-based backup utilities that I have tried (including Macrium) is that if, for instance, I have fat-fingered a Word document, saved it, and only discovered the problem days later I have to mount a whole bunch of incremental backups and hunt through them one-by-one looking for a "Good" version of the doc. What is needed is a presentation of all incremental backups on a file-by-file basis with all versions of a given file appearing sequentially in a selectable list. Yep, that's the problem with incrementals. I quit doing incremental backups decades ago after several failed restore attempts because the tape for incremental 6 of 15 wouldn't read... Small OS partition and frequent full backups of that has never let me down. I cull the backups when I need space, but usually have at least a dozen spanning several years. Not gonna happen, I am sure.... probably for reasons I wouldn't understand anyhow. I went to Macrium from a file-based utility called SecondCopy partially because SC was getting weird on my machine - and Macrium seems to be a really solid product... but the easy availability of multiple versions of a given file still calls out to me. |
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Any backup programs that do not store in proprietary formats?
On 5/2/2018 7:51 AM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per Java Jive: I split every system I own, Linux or Windows, into two areas, system disk or partition and data disk or partition, and I back them up seperately in different ways. Amen!.... I thought I was the only one. Still cannot figure out why OS publishers like MS do not build that strategy into the way their systems are installed. Very simple. Complexity causes the support phone to ring. Your system in a pile of corrupted bits is not their problem. When you promise something like recovery, you'd better deliver. You want all the ****ed off customers calling Macrium. |
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Any backup programs that do not store in proprietary formats?
In message , mike
writes: On 5/2/2018 7:51 AM, (PeteCresswell) wrote: Per Java Jive: I split every system I own, Linux or Windows, into two areas, system disk or partition and data disk or partition, and I back them up seperately in different ways. Amen!.... I thought I was the only one. By no means. I image my system and hidden partitions - mainly because of the impossibility of easily restoring it otherwise (combination of the anti-piracy measures, and the ridiculous habit of storing _everything_ in the registry). I just copy (using SyncToy, so some would say I sync) my D: partition. (In both cases I cycle round two or three images/backups.) Still cannot figure out why OS publishers like MS do not build that strategy into the way their systems are installed. My XP netbook (Samsung NC-20), which I bought new, the first time I used it, asked me how I wanted the C: and D: partitions arranged. OK, it would have defaulted to them being equal, but at least it was going to make the two. But yes, that was a Samsung rather than Microsoft thing, as far as I can see. Very simple. Complexity causes the support phone to ring. Your system in a pile of corrupted bits is not their problem. Their half-arsed mechanism of having "my" type folders is no less complex. Having all systems default to two partitions, and all software default to storing data on other than the system one, would not be complicated. They could have introduced this at 7, 8, or 10 (or even XP or earlier); the usual argument about backwards compatibility doesn't wash, since from some version on (not sure if it was XP or 7), they've already made some old software not work by making certain folders inaccessible to software that doesn't know about them (with a very complicated system - a fudge - for getting round _that_). When you promise something like recovery, you'd better deliver. You want all the ****ed off customers calling Macrium. No, you want them to buy a new PC. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf .... of the two little boxes in the corner of your room, the one without the pictures is the one that opens the mind. - Stuart Maconie in Radio Times, 2008/10/11-17 |
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On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 21:01:46 -0400, Paul wrote:
Robocopy can copy files, but while I've used it for FAT32 boot drives (because there's no permissions to speak of, just a few attributes), Robocopy may not be able to nicely handle Junction Points or whatever. Robocopy isn't touted as a file-by-file backup program. I think of it more for synchronizing than for backups. The array of options is dizzying, but fortunately you can store the ones you always use. One that I stored is /XJ, skip junctions. -- Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA http://BrownMath.com/ http://OakRoadSystems.com/ Shikata ga nai... |
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On Tue, 01 May 2018 00:38:16 -0400, Paul wrote:
Roger Blake wrote: On 2018-05-01, T wrote: Just looking for the data. If you don't need to backup open files you could give Robocopy a try since it comes with Windows. It does not grok shadow copy but otherwise works well. Isn't there some way to create a shadow as a separate step ? It doesn't say here though, whether the results had any integrity or not. https://stackoverflow.com/questions/...bocopy-on-win7 The questioner in that article says that Robocopy can't copy open files. I'm skeptical of that statement. When I've updated my batch file that calls Robocopy, it gets copied just fine. My password manager data file, which is always open, also gets copied just fine. -- Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA http://BrownMath.com/ http://OakRoadSystems.com/ Shikata ga nai... |
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On 5/2/2018 7:29 PM, Stan Brown wrote:
On Tue, 01 May 2018 00:38:16 -0400, Paul wrote: Roger Blake wrote: On 2018-05-01, T wrote: Just looking for the data. If you don't need to backup open files you could give Robocopy a try since it comes with Windows. It does not grok shadow copy but otherwise works well. Isn't there some way to create a shadow as a separate step ? It doesn't say here though, whether the results had any integrity or not. https://stackoverflow.com/questions/...bocopy-on-win7 The questioner in that article says that Robocopy can't copy open files. I'm skeptical of that statement. When I've updated my batch file that calls Robocopy, it gets copied just fine. My password manager data file, which is always open, also gets copied just fine. I think the problem arises when you're WRITING the file at the same time that it's being robocopied. |
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Any backup programs that do not store in proprietary formats?
Java Jive news
Tue, 01 May 2018 21:10:58 GMT in alt.windows7.general, wrote:
On 01/05/2018 01:08, T wrote: Hi All, I am looking for a backup program (paid or free) that will store its archives in a non-proprietary format.Â* I other words, it can store its archives in a format that ANY file manager can read. I am basically looking for a replacement for Cobian Backup, which is abandon ware. I no longer use any proprietary backup tool - reason? In the days before HDs became cheap, I used to back up to tape, and discovered the hard way that if the final tape became unreadable for any reason, the *entire* backup was lost, because that was the one containing all the directory and filename information! Duh! Talk about building in a guaranteed weakness! Others have mentioned Ghost, and it too suffers from this syndrome, if, as I still do, you break up the backup into segments each about 2GB long (so that if necessary they can go onto a FAT32 USB drive), then, if the last segment is corrupted, the entire backup is lost. Nevertheless, I still use Ghost, but in a very limited way, as described below. I split every system I own, Linux or Windows, into two areas, system disk or partition and data disk or partition, and I back them up seperately in different ways. I use Ghost only for Windows system images, making them every two or three months or whenever I'm about to make significant changes such as trying out new software, and I have Ghost Explorer installed on every Windows system so that if necessary I can use any Windows machine to retrieve individual files for any other Windows machine. I make the backups using a W98-DOS mode bootable USB drive to run Ghost, and I back up the system image to the data disk or partition, so that when that next gets backed up, the system backup will be included. Also, this means that each PC always has its latest Ghost image on it for convenient restoration. For my Linux systems, I've gone a rather different route, I have a script that installs all my custom software, configures my website, etc, so that if a Linux installation get corrupted, I boot from a standard Linux installation USB to reinstall it, then run the script to customise it, and about an hour or two later the machine is ready to use. For Windows data, I use a Win32 implementation of Linux's rsync called DeltaCopy, which, as its name implies, only backs up changed files. Be aware that if you have files with accented filenames, you will need to find a DLL from an external source to replace one of those supplied with DeltaCopy. I download and set up DeltaCopy so long ago, and now just copy the program and start menu directories onto new builds, that I can't remember any more detail of the problem than that, but at the time I solved it simply by searching the web. The program works very well for me, running as well on 64-bit machines as 32-bit. For Linux data, again I use rsync. So where does the data go, and what about backup formats? It goes onto a NAS device running under Linux, which runs the rsync daemon (server) to receive the data from rsync and DeltaCopy, and has both Windows (Samba) and Linux (NFS) sharing to allow access from each client OS to the backed up data. You may care to note that DeltaCopy also has a server component which would allow you to set up a Windows PC or server to be the destination of the backups. Because Linux and Windows have different permissions systems, I run a program overnight on the NAS to ensure that the Linux permissions set on the Windows data allow access from Windows machines. This is done by adding all Windows users to a Linux group, and giving that group access to the data. However, I've recently realised that you can get rsync to change the ownership for itself, but haven't yet had a chance to try this out. So no proprietary format is involved, and if just one file is corrupted, a raft of others aren't lost. I can access the data on the NAS any time via its shares without needing any special program, with the exception that I need Ghost Explorer to read the Ghost backups if I need to find individual files from a Windows system disk image. My phone and tablet are backed up via USB to the Windows data partition, and thence they too get backed up to the server. The ease of using this system has revolutionised my backing up, I just set a back up going a little before I go upstairs to bed, and it's usually completed in time for me to shut down the PC before doing so, and if not, I leave it going overnight. Now the biggest source of loss of data is when yours truly get a little too zealous doing data housekeeping! However, I should point out that the system took some setting up. Besides the replacement DLL needed for DeltaCopy, you also need to configure its client at least, and the server if you intend to use it. The NAS itself needed some customisation to make it more useful than as supplied, and of course you need to configure its rsync daemon to match how you configured the DeltaCopy client. None of this would be for the technically hard of thinking, but once it works, it just works. Does your NAS use cloud storage as well? Or, are you making any further backups beyond the NAS itself? If not, what are your recovery plans in the event a drive in the NAS fails? -- To prevent yourself from being a victim of cyber stalking, it's highly recommended you visit he https://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php ================================================== = The scalded cat fears even cold water. |
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On 03/05/2018 17:08, Diesel wrote:
Java Jive news Tue, 01 May 2018 21:10:58 GMT in alt.windows7.general, wrote: It goes onto a NAS device running under Linux, which runs the rsync daemon (server) to receive the data from rsync and DeltaCopy, and has both Windows (Samba) and Linux (NFS) sharing to allow access from each client OS to the backed up data. Does your NAS use cloud storage as well? Or, are you making any further backups beyond the NAS itself? If not, what are your recovery plans in the event a drive in the NAS fails? There is too much data to consider cloud storage, so instead I have two NASs, and the first copies new stuff onto the second in the early morning. The only thing I'm not covered against is a fire. |
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On 5/3/2018 9:16 AM, Java Jive wrote:
On 03/05/2018 17:08, Diesel wrote: Java Jive news Tue, 01 May 2018 21:10:58 GMT in alt.windows7.general, wrote: It goes onto a NAS device running under Linux, which runs the rsync daemon (server) to receive the data from rsync and DeltaCopy, and has both Windows (Samba) and Linux (NFS) sharing to allow access from each client OS to the backed up data. Does your NAS use cloud storage as well? Or, are you making any further backups beyond the NAS itself? If not, what are your recovery plans in the event a drive in the NAS fails? There is too much data to consider cloud storage, so instead I have two NASs, and the first copies new stuff onto the second in the early morning. The only thing I'm not covered against is a fire. I've never been a fan of unattended copy for backups. If the first NAS gets corrupted, you copy the corruption to the backup-backup. You probably don't discover the problem until you see a symptom and attempt to get back the data. It's all equally corrupt. My archived partition images can't be corrupted by anything that happens in the future, cuz the backup-backup archive drive isn't powered on unless I'm archiving a backup. |
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Any backup programs that do not store in proprietary formats?
On 04/30/2018 05:08 PM, T wrote:
Hi All, I am looking for a backup program (paid or free) that will store its archives in a non-proprietary format.Â* I other words, it can store its archives in a format that ANY file manager can read. I am basically looking for a replacement for Cobian Backup, which is abandon ware. I have tested Macrium Reflect, which is a sweet package, but their tech support has verified that they can only store in their proprietary format, so they are out. You guys have a favorite that archives in a non-proprietary format? Many thanks, -T Just posted: import Outlook greyed out https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1459369 |
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Any backup programs that do not store in proprietary formats?
On 05/03/2018 11:47 AM, mike wrote:
I've never been a fan of unattended copy for backups. That is why I love an eMail report for each backup |
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