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  #1  
Old June 21st 18, 09:52 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
GlowingBlueMist[_6_]
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Default Windows 10 Pro Insider Preview version 17692.1000 Breaks ClassicShell

Once again Microsoft has found a way to break the Classic Shell program
that many people use as a replacement for Microsoft's much hated "Start"
button at least on my two W10 Pro Insider machines.


The Classic Shell program worked just fine with Windows 10 Insider
version 17686.1003. Unfortunately I have just completed upgrading two
machines running in virtual space on VMWare's Workstation to 17692.1000.
The Windows Insider versions of W10 were run on two different AMD
based computers with it making no difference. On both W10 Insider
machines the Classic Shell program works just fine the first time you
try to use it but subsequent uses of the start button act strange until
after 3 attempts to use the "Start" button and it no longer functions
until you reboot the machine.


Perhaps someone else will take up the gauntlet and continue working with
the Classic Start menu program.

If not, all is not lost, there are at least 6 other programs that may be
able to take over the lead replacement start program.

Here is a link to an article by Ben Stegner discussing the subject which
also includes links to some of the possible replacements for Classic Shell.

https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/window...u-alternative/


Unfortunately the author of the Classic Shell program has abandoned the
software and moved on to other things so unless someone else steps in to
adjust or fix that program it looks like Microsoft will finally be able
to stop people from using it.


Then again, who knows if the current problems Classic Shell has with the
latest Windows 10 Insider edition will continue to exist when they
actually release the next version or two to the public masses.
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  #2  
Old June 21st 18, 12:15 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Big Al[_5_]
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Default Windows 10 Pro Insider Preview version 17692.1000 Breaks ClassicShell

On 06/21/2018 04:52 AM, GlowingBlueMist wrote:
Once again Microsoft has found a way to break the Classic Shell program
that many people use as a replacement for Microsoft's much hated "Start"
button at least on my two W10 Pro Insider machines.


The Classic Shell program worked just fine with Windows 10 Insider
version 17686.1003.Â* Unfortunately I have just completed upgrading two
machines running in virtual space on VMWare's Workstation to 17692.1000.
Â*The Windows Insider versions of W10 were run on two different AMD
based computers with it making no difference.Â* On both W10 Insider
machines the Classic Shell program works just fine the first time you
try to use it but subsequent uses of the start button act strange until
after 3 attempts to use the "Start" button and it no longer functions
until you reboot the machine.


Perhaps someone else will take up the gauntlet and continue working with
the Classic Start menu program.

If not, all is not lost, there are at least 6 other programs that may be
able to take over the lead replacement start program.

Here is a link to an article by Ben Stegner discussing the subject which
also includes links to some of the possible replacements for Classic Shell.

https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/window...u-alternative/


Unfortunately the author of the Classic Shell program has abandoned the
software and moved on to other things so unless someone else steps in to
adjust or fix that program it looks like Microsoft will finally be able
to stop people from using it.


Then again, who knows if the current problems Classic Shell has with the
latest Windows 10 Insider edition will continue to exist when they
actually release the next version or two to the public masses.


In windows 8.1 that menu was a real bummer till they at least allowed
you to boot to the desktop. (I bought 8.0 on day one). I found
start8 to be very good and I hear now there is a start10. I would vote
for that.

But I've now been using Win10's own start menu and find it isn't that
bad. Sure it's nowhere near 7's but if you clean off the crap and
organize your stuff in nice groups and widen the menu so you can get
more icons, it's not bad, even usable. I mean how many programs does
the average non-power user use?
  #3  
Old June 21st 18, 12:49 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Keith Nuttle
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Default Windows 10 Pro Insider Preview version 17692.1000 Breaks ClassicShell

On 6/21/2018 7:15 AM, Big Al wrote:
On 06/21/2018 04:52 AM, GlowingBlueMist wrote:
Once again Microsoft has found a way to break the Classic Shell
program that many people use as a replacement for Microsoft's much
hated "Start" button at least on my two W10 Pro Insider machines.


The Classic Shell program worked just fine with Windows 10 Insider
version 17686.1003.Â* Unfortunately I have just completed upgrading two
machines running in virtual space on VMWare's Workstation to
17692.1000. Â*Â*The Windows Insider versions of W10 were run on two
different AMD based computers with it making no difference.Â* On both
W10 Insider machines the Classic Shell program works just fine the
first time you try to use it but subsequent uses of the start button
act strange until after 3 attempts to use the "Start" button and it no
longer functions until you reboot the machine.


Perhaps someone else will take up the gauntlet and continue working
with the Classic Start menu program.

If not, all is not lost, there are at least 6 other programs that may
be able to take over the lead replacement start program.

Here is a link to an article by Ben Stegner discussing the subject
which also includes links to some of the possible replacements for
Classic Shell.

https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/window...u-alternative/


Unfortunately the author of the Classic Shell program has abandoned
the software and moved on to other things so unless someone else steps
in to adjust or fix that program it looks like Microsoft will finally
be able to stop people from using it.


Then again, who knows if the current problems Classic Shell has with
the latest Windows 10 Insider edition will continue to exist when they
actually release the next version or two to the public masses.


In windows 8.1 that menu was a real bummer till they at least allowed
you to boot to the desktop.Â* (I bought 8.0 on day one).Â*Â*Â* I found
start8 to be very good and I hear now there is a start10.Â*Â* I would vote
for that.

But I've now been using Win10's own start menu and find it isn't that
bad.Â* Sure it's nowhere near 7's but if you clean off the crap and
organize your stuff in nice groups and widen the menu so you can get
more icons, it's not bad, even usable.Â*Â* I mean how many programs does
the average non-power user use?

I find I can access items in the native Windows 10 start, much faster
that I ever could in Older version of Windows start menus.

One of the best things about Windows 10 Start is the absence of the old
collapsing folder system. That was one of the hardest thing ever
developed by Microsoft. For deep folders I always took two or more
tries to get where I wanted to go.

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  #4  
Old June 21st 18, 02:27 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
SilverSlimer
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Default Windows 10 Pro Insider Preview version 17692.1000 Breaks Classic Shell

On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 07:49:06 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

On 6/21/2018 7:15 AM, Big Al wrote:
On 06/21/2018 04:52 AM, GlowingBlueMist wrote:
Once again Microsoft has found a way to break the Classic Shell
program that many people use as a replacement for Microsoft's much
hated "Start" button at least on my two W10 Pro Insider machines.


The Classic Shell program worked just fine with Windows 10 Insider
version 17686.1003.* Unfortunately I have just completed upgrading two
machines running in virtual space on VMWare's Workstation to
17692.1000. **The Windows Insider versions of W10 were run on two
different AMD based computers with it making no difference.* On both
W10 Insider machines the Classic Shell program works just fine the
first time you try to use it but subsequent uses of the start button
act strange until after 3 attempts to use the "Start" button and it no
longer functions until you reboot the machine.


Perhaps someone else will take up the gauntlet and continue working
with the Classic Start menu program.

If not, all is not lost, there are at least 6 other programs that may
be able to take over the lead replacement start program.

Here is a link to an article by Ben Stegner discussing the subject
which also includes links to some of the possible replacements for
Classic Shell.

https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/window...u-alternative/


Unfortunately the author of the Classic Shell program has abandoned
the software and moved on to other things so unless someone else steps
in to adjust or fix that program it looks like Microsoft will finally
be able to stop people from using it.


Then again, who knows if the current problems Classic Shell has with
the latest Windows 10 Insider edition will continue to exist when they
actually release the next version or two to the public masses.


In windows 8.1 that menu was a real bummer till they at least allowed
you to boot to the desktop.* (I bought 8.0 on day one).*** I found
start8 to be very good and I hear now there is a start10.** I would vote
for that.

But I've now been using Win10's own start menu and find it isn't that
bad.* Sure it's nowhere near 7's but if you clean off the crap and
organize your stuff in nice groups and widen the menu so you can get
more icons, it's not bad, even usable.** I mean how many programs does
the average non-power user use?

I find I can access items in the native Windows 10 start, much faster
that I ever could in Older version of Windows start menus.

One of the best things about Windows 10 Start is the absence of the old
collapsing folder system. That was one of the hardest thing ever
developed by Microsoft. For deep folders I always took two or more
tries to get where I wanted to go.


I honestly have to wonder why so many people are so attached to
Windows 7 over 10. The start menu, as you say, is much better in 10
than it ever was and in terms of performance, there is little to no
difference between 7 and 10. The new anti-malware system is also quite
stellar, what with the controlled folders in particular. People need
to let go of the past and embrace the future.
  #5  
Old June 21st 18, 02:32 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Big Al[_5_]
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Default Windows 10 Pro Insider Preview version 17692.1000 Breaks ClassicShell

On 06/21/2018 09:27 AM, SilverSlimer wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 07:49:06 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

On 6/21/2018 7:15 AM, Big Al wrote:
On 06/21/2018 04:52 AM, GlowingBlueMist wrote:
Once again Microsoft has found a way to break the Classic Shell
program that many people use as a replacement for Microsoft's much
hated "Start" button at least on my two W10 Pro Insider machines.


The Classic Shell program worked just fine with Windows 10 Insider
version 17686.1003.Â* Unfortunately I have just completed upgrading two
machines running in virtual space on VMWare's Workstation to
17692.1000. Â*Â*The Windows Insider versions of W10 were run on two
different AMD based computers with it making no difference.Â* On both
W10 Insider machines the Classic Shell program works just fine the
first time you try to use it but subsequent uses of the start button
act strange until after 3 attempts to use the "Start" button and it no
longer functions until you reboot the machine.


Perhaps someone else will take up the gauntlet and continue working
with the Classic Start menu program.

If not, all is not lost, there are at least 6 other programs that may
be able to take over the lead replacement start program.

Here is a link to an article by Ben Stegner discussing the subject
which also includes links to some of the possible replacements for
Classic Shell.

https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/window...u-alternative/


Unfortunately the author of the Classic Shell program has abandoned
the software and moved on to other things so unless someone else steps
in to adjust or fix that program it looks like Microsoft will finally
be able to stop people from using it.


Then again, who knows if the current problems Classic Shell has with
the latest Windows 10 Insider edition will continue to exist when they
actually release the next version or two to the public masses.

In windows 8.1 that menu was a real bummer till they at least allowed
you to boot to the desktop.Â* (I bought 8.0 on day one).Â*Â*Â* I found
start8 to be very good and I hear now there is a start10.Â*Â* I would vote
for that.

But I've now been using Win10's own start menu and find it isn't that
bad.Â* Sure it's nowhere near 7's but if you clean off the crap and
organize your stuff in nice groups and widen the menu so you can get
more icons, it's not bad, even usable.Â*Â* I mean how many programs does
the average non-power user use?

I find I can access items in the native Windows 10 start, much faster
that I ever could in Older version of Windows start menus.

One of the best things about Windows 10 Start is the absence of the old
collapsing folder system. That was one of the hardest thing ever
developed by Microsoft. For deep folders I always took two or more
tries to get where I wanted to go.


I honestly have to wonder why so many people are so attached to
Windows 7 over 10. The start menu, as you say, is much better in 10
than it ever was and in terms of performance, there is little to no
difference between 7 and 10. The new anti-malware system is also quite
stellar, what with the controlled folders in particular. People need
to let go of the past and embrace the future.

I think the process of change is the issue. People in general, even me,
don't like change. I saw some previews of Win10 before it's release.
Buggy but still usable and I thought it was hell on wheels. I told
every one of my friends that they and I should never use it. Now I'm
quite satisfied that it works and have learned to use it with ease. Of
course there's the disclaimer he "I use linux for everyday use and
turn win 10 on about 3 hours a month."

  #6  
Old June 21st 18, 04:45 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
dave
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Default Windows 10 Pro Insider Preview version 17692.1000 BreaksClassic Shell

On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 09:27:21 -0400, SilverSlimer wrote:

On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 07:49:06 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

On 6/21/2018 7:15 AM, Big Al wrote:
On 06/21/2018 04:52 AM, GlowingBlueMist wrote:
Once again Microsoft has found a way to break the Classic Shell
program that many people use as a replacement for Microsoft's much
hated "Start" button at least on my two W10 Pro Insider machines.


The Classic Shell program worked just fine with Windows 10 Insider
version 17686.1003.Â* Unfortunately I have just completed upgrading
two machines running in virtual space on VMWare's Workstation to
17692.1000. Â*Â*The Windows Insider versions of W10 were run on two
different AMD based computers with it making no difference.Â* On both
W10 Insider machines the Classic Shell program works just fine the
first time you try to use it but subsequent uses of the start button
act strange until after 3 attempts to use the "Start" button and it
no longer functions until you reboot the machine.


Perhaps someone else will take up the gauntlet and continue working
with the Classic Start menu program.

If not, all is not lost, there are at least 6 other programs that may
be able to take over the lead replacement start program.

Here is a link to an article by Ben Stegner discussing the subject
which also includes links to some of the possible replacements for
Classic Shell.

https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/window...u-alternative/


Unfortunately the author of the Classic Shell program has abandoned
the software and moved on to other things so unless someone else
steps in to adjust or fix that program it looks like Microsoft will
finally be able to stop people from using it.


Then again, who knows if the current problems Classic Shell has with
the latest Windows 10 Insider edition will continue to exist when
they actually release the next version or two to the public masses.

In windows 8.1 that menu was a real bummer till they at least allowed
you to boot to the desktop.Â* (I bought 8.0 on day one).Â*Â*Â* I found
start8 to be very good and I hear now there is a start10.Â*Â* I would
vote for that.

But I've now been using Win10's own start menu and find it isn't that
bad.Â* Sure it's nowhere near 7's but if you clean off the crap and
organize your stuff in nice groups and widen the menu so you can get
more icons, it's not bad, even usable.Â*Â* I mean how many programs does
the average non-power user use?

I find I can access items in the native Windows 10 start, much faster
that I ever could in Older version of Windows start menus.

One of the best things about Windows 10 Start is the absence of the old
collapsing folder system. That was one of the hardest thing ever
developed by Microsoft. For deep folders I always took two or more
tries to get where I wanted to go.


I honestly have to wonder why so many people are so attached to Windows
7 over 10. The start menu, as you say, is much better in 10 than it ever
was and in terms of performance, there is little to no difference
between 7 and 10. The new anti-malware system is also quite stellar,
what with the controlled folders in particular. People need to let go of
the past and embrace the future.


I'm not using windows 10. Occasionally I am asked to help a windows 10
user. I've had instances when a simple reboot would take forever to
shutdown while the system collected updates. Then to add insult to
injury, there can be another lengthy wait while updates are being
installed, so yes, use windows 10 and you will embrace the future quite
literally. Personally, I much prefer Linux Mint and use a virtual machine
for a couple of windows only apps. I realize some people are stuck with
windows due to their work situation and the vast majority of folks are
stuck with windows because it came pre-loaded on their system.
  #7  
Old June 21st 18, 05:09 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
mechanic
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Default Windows 10 Pro Insider Preview version 17692.1000 Breaks Classic Shell

On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 15:45:17 -0000 (UTC), Dave wrote:

I realize some people are stuck with windows due to their work
situation and the vast majority of folks are stuck with windows
because it came pre-loaded on their system.


Just as well it's a great operating system then.
  #8  
Old June 21st 18, 06:28 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Keith Nuttle
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Default Windows 10 Pro Insider Preview version 17692.1000 Breaks ClassicShell

On 6/21/2018 9:32 AM, Big Al wrote:
On 06/21/2018 09:27 AM, SilverSlimer wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 07:49:06 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

On 6/21/2018 7:15 AM, Big Al wrote:
On 06/21/2018 04:52 AM, GlowingBlueMist wrote:
Once again Microsoft has found a way to break the Classic Shell
program that many people use as a replacement for Microsoft's much
hated "Start" button at least on my two W10 Pro Insider machines.


The Classic Shell program worked just fine with Windows 10 Insider
version 17686.1003.Â* Unfortunately I have just completed upgrading two
machines running in virtual space on VMWare's Workstation to
17692.1000. Â*Â*The Windows Insider versions of W10 were run on two
different AMD based computers with it making no difference.Â* On both
W10 Insider machines the Classic Shell program works just fine the
first time you try to use it but subsequent uses of the start button
act strange until after 3 attempts to use the "Start" button and it no
longer functions until you reboot the machine.


Perhaps someone else will take up the gauntlet and continue working
with the Classic Start menu program.

If not, all is not lost, there are at least 6 other programs that may
be able to take over the lead replacement start program.

Here is a link to an article by Ben Stegner discussing the subject
which also includes links to some of the possible replacements for
Classic Shell.

https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/window...u-alternative/


Unfortunately the author of the Classic Shell program has abandoned
the software and moved on to other things so unless someone else steps
in to adjust or fix that program it looks like Microsoft will finally
be able to stop people from using it.


Then again, who knows if the current problems Classic Shell has with
the latest Windows 10 Insider edition will continue to exist when they
actually release the next version or two to the public masses.

In windows 8.1 that menu was a real bummer till they at least allowed
you to boot to the desktop.Â* (I bought 8.0 on day one).Â*Â*Â* I found
start8 to be very good and I hear now there is a start10.Â*Â* I would
vote
for that.

But I've now been using Win10's own start menu and find it isn't that
bad.Â* Sure it's nowhere near 7's but if you clean off the crap and
organize your stuff in nice groups and widen the menu so you can get
more icons, it's not bad, even usable.Â*Â* I mean how many programs does
the average non-power user use?
I find I can access items in the native Windows 10 start, much faster
that I ever could in Older version of Windows start menus.

One of the best things about Windows 10 Start is the absence of the old
collapsing folder system.Â* That was one of the hardest thing ever
developed by Microsoft.Â* For deep folders I always took two or more
tries to get where I wanted to go.


I honestly have to wonder why so many people are so attached to
Windows 7 over 10. The start menu, as you say, is much better in 10
than it ever was and in terms of performance, there is little to no
difference between 7 and 10. The new anti-malware system is also quite
stellar, what with the controlled folders in particular. People need
to let go of the past and embrace the future.

I think the process of change is the issue.Â* People in general, even me,
don't like change.Â*Â* I saw some previews of Win10 before it's release.
Buggy but still usable and I thought it was hell on wheels.Â* I told
every one of my friends that they and I should never use it.Â*Â* Now I'm
quite satisfied that it works and have learned to use it with ease.Â* Of
course there's the disclaimer he "I use linux for everyday use and
turn win 10 on about 3 hours a month."

Addendum to my previous post: My observations on the usability of the
new Windows 10 start menu have been made from several years of 6 to 8
hours per day use of Windows 10. Prior to the release of Window 10 I
was putting the same amount of time on the prior version.

I would not consider returning to the previous version of the Start menu.

--
2018: The year we learn to play the great game of Euchre
  #9  
Old June 21st 18, 07:27 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Char Jackson
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Default Windows 10 Pro Insider Preview version 17692.1000 Breaks Classic Shell

On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 17:09:08 +0100, mechanic
wrote:

On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 15:45:17 -0000 (UTC), Dave wrote:

I realize some people are stuck with windows due to their work
situation and the vast majority of folks are stuck with windows
because it came pre-loaded on their system.


Just as well it's a great operating system then.


I think he was talking about Windows 10. If there's something great
about Windows 10, I haven't seen it. Many things are the same as in
previous Windows versions, so those things can't be any more great than
they were before. Of the things that are different, I can only think of
examples that are less great than before.

Windows still has the potential to be great, but in their rush to get to
this new business model, MS have clearly taken some giant leaps
backwards. They could still turn things around, of course, but not if
those backward steps were somehow deliberate.

  #10  
Old June 21st 18, 09:14 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Char Jackson
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Default Windows 10 Pro Insider Preview version 17692.1000 Breaks Classic Shell

On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 13:28:07 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

On 6/21/2018 9:32 AM, Big Al wrote:
On 06/21/2018 09:27 AM, SilverSlimer wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 07:49:06 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

On 6/21/2018 7:15 AM, Big Al wrote:
On 06/21/2018 04:52 AM, GlowingBlueMist wrote:
Once again Microsoft has found a way to break the Classic Shell
program that many people use as a replacement for Microsoft's much
hated "Start" button at least on my two W10 Pro Insider machines.


The Classic Shell program worked just fine with Windows 10 Insider
version 17686.1003.* Unfortunately I have just completed upgrading two
machines running in virtual space on VMWare's Workstation to
17692.1000. **The Windows Insider versions of W10 were run on two
different AMD based computers with it making no difference.* On both
W10 Insider machines the Classic Shell program works just fine the
first time you try to use it but subsequent uses of the start button
act strange until after 3 attempts to use the "Start" button and it no
longer functions until you reboot the machine.


Perhaps someone else will take up the gauntlet and continue working
with the Classic Start menu program.

If not, all is not lost, there are at least 6 other programs that may
be able to take over the lead replacement start program.

Here is a link to an article by Ben Stegner discussing the subject
which also includes links to some of the possible replacements for
Classic Shell.

https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/window...u-alternative/


Unfortunately the author of the Classic Shell program has abandoned
the software and moved on to other things so unless someone else steps
in to adjust or fix that program it looks like Microsoft will finally
be able to stop people from using it.


Then again, who knows if the current problems Classic Shell has with
the latest Windows 10 Insider edition will continue to exist when they
actually release the next version or two to the public masses.

In windows 8.1 that menu was a real bummer till they at least allowed
you to boot to the desktop.* (I bought 8.0 on day one).*** I found
start8 to be very good and I hear now there is a start10.** I would
vote
for that.

But I've now been using Win10's own start menu and find it isn't that
bad.* Sure it's nowhere near 7's but if you clean off the crap and
organize your stuff in nice groups and widen the menu so you can get
more icons, it's not bad, even usable.** I mean how many programs does
the average non-power user use?
I find I can access items in the native Windows 10 start, much faster
that I ever could in Older version of Windows start menus.

One of the best things about Windows 10 Start is the absence of the old
collapsing folder system.* That was one of the hardest thing ever
developed by Microsoft.* For deep folders I always took two or more
tries to get where I wanted to go.

I honestly have to wonder why so many people are so attached to
Windows 7 over 10. The start menu, as you say, is much better in 10
than it ever was and in terms of performance, there is little to no
difference between 7 and 10. The new anti-malware system is also quite
stellar, what with the controlled folders in particular. People need
to let go of the past and embrace the future.

I think the process of change is the issue.* People in general, even me,
don't like change.** I saw some previews of Win10 before it's release.
Buggy but still usable and I thought it was hell on wheels.* I told
every one of my friends that they and I should never use it.** Now I'm
quite satisfied that it works and have learned to use it with ease.* Of
course there's the disclaimer he "I use linux for everyday use and
turn win 10 on about 3 hours a month."

Addendum to my previous post: My observations on the usability of the
new Windows 10 start menu have been made from several years of 6 to 8
hours per day use of Windows 10. Prior to the release of Window 10 I
was putting the same amount of time on the prior version.

I would not consider returning to the previous version of the Start menu.


Based on your feedback, it's possible that MS knows exactly what they're
doing with regards to a Start menu. Personally, however, after having
used every version of Windows, including Windows 10, I would not
willingly return to the Windows 10 interface. To me, it's worse than
8.x, which itself was worse than 7, but we all have our own opinions and
perspectives.

  #11  
Old June 21st 18, 09:30 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
mike[_10_]
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Default Windows 10 Pro Insider Preview version 17692.1000 Breaks ClassicShell

On 6/21/2018 8:45 AM, Dave wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 09:27:21 -0400, SilverSlimer wrote:

On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 07:49:06 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

On 6/21/2018 7:15 AM, Big Al wrote:
On 06/21/2018 04:52 AM, GlowingBlueMist wrote:
Once again Microsoft has found a way to break the Classic Shell
program that many people use as a replacement for Microsoft's much
hated "Start" button at least on my two W10 Pro Insider machines.


The Classic Shell program worked just fine with Windows 10 Insider
version 17686.1003. Unfortunately I have just completed upgrading
two machines running in virtual space on VMWare's Workstation to
17692.1000. The Windows Insider versions of W10 were run on two
different AMD based computers with it making no difference. On both
W10 Insider machines the Classic Shell program works just fine the
first time you try to use it but subsequent uses of the start button
act strange until after 3 attempts to use the "Start" button and it
no longer functions until you reboot the machine.


Perhaps someone else will take up the gauntlet and continue working
with the Classic Start menu program.

If not, all is not lost, there are at least 6 other programs that may
be able to take over the lead replacement start program.

Here is a link to an article by Ben Stegner discussing the subject
which also includes links to some of the possible replacements for
Classic Shell.

https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/window...u-alternative/


Unfortunately the author of the Classic Shell program has abandoned
the software and moved on to other things so unless someone else
steps in to adjust or fix that program it looks like Microsoft will
finally be able to stop people from using it.


Then again, who knows if the current problems Classic Shell has with
the latest Windows 10 Insider edition will continue to exist when
they actually release the next version or two to the public masses.

In windows 8.1 that menu was a real bummer till they at least allowed
you to boot to the desktop. (I bought 8.0 on day one). I found
start8 to be very good and I hear now there is a start10. I would
vote for that.

But I've now been using Win10's own start menu and find it isn't that
bad. Sure it's nowhere near 7's but if you clean off the crap and
organize your stuff in nice groups and widen the menu so you can get
more icons, it's not bad, even usable. I mean how many programs does
the average non-power user use?
I find I can access items in the native Windows 10 start, much faster
that I ever could in Older version of Windows start menus.

One of the best things about Windows 10 Start is the absence of the old
collapsing folder system. That was one of the hardest thing ever
developed by Microsoft. For deep folders I always took two or more
tries to get where I wanted to go.


I honestly have to wonder why so many people are so attached to Windows
7 over 10. The start menu, as you say, is much better in 10 than it ever
was and in terms of performance, there is little to no difference
between 7 and 10. The new anti-malware system is also quite stellar,
what with the controlled folders in particular. People need to let go of
the past and embrace the future.


I'm not using windows 10. Occasionally I am asked to help a windows 10
user. I've had instances when a simple reboot would take forever to
shutdown while the system collected updates. Then to add insult to
injury, there can be another lengthy wait while updates are being
installed, so yes, use windows 10 and you will embrace the future quite
literally. Personally, I much prefer Linux Mint and use a virtual machine
for a couple of windows only apps. I realize some people are stuck with
windows due to their work situation and the vast majority of folks are
stuck with windows because it came pre-loaded on their system.

I don't understand why people get their panties in a twist over
the start menu.

Delete everything on it and drag program launcher links to it.
I take it a step further and create a separate page that loads at boot
and has all my program launchers on it. I use MS software only when
freeware doesn't exist...and that's rarely.
I almost never use the start menu. The separate page also insulates
you from the incessant additions that MS makes to their start page.
Just ignore 'em, maybe delete ones that show up to consume resources.

Forced updates are the real deal breaker. Having to wait an indeterminate
amount of time when you simply want a reboot is unconscionable.
Having your system out of commission because an unwanted update
trashed something can really ruin your day if you're in a hurry.
Could really be a problem if you need to put your laptop in its bag
and get to your next meeting. Of course, your most recent backup
is likely missing important recent stuff.

Windows update minitool has solved most of that problem.
But there's a bug. If you wait too long to do updates, WUMT can
error out if you have too little "free space"...whatever that is.
I've got more free partition space than
the sum of the sizes of the updates, so I have no idea why increasing
the partition size fixes it. It errors out before it actually downloads
anything, so it won't let you update a few at a time.

I like to keep my C: small, but had to waste about 50GB of disk space
just to keep WUMT from failing with infrequent updates.

Current strategy is to let WUMT search for updates monthly, but hide them.
That seems to be working...
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Old June 21st 18, 09:39 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Windows 10 Pro Insider Preview version 17692.1000 Breaks Classic Shell

On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 15:14:25 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:


Based on your feedback, it's possible that MS knows exactly what they're
doing with regards to a Start menu. Personally, however, after having
used every version of Windows, including Windows 10, I would not
willingly return to the Windows 10 interface. To me, it's worse than
8.x, which itself was worse than 7, but we all have our own opinions and
perspectives.




As far as I'm concerned, 8.x was the worst. 10 is not great either,
but it's at least a little better than 8.x.

But I use 10 with Start10 installed, and that makes the interface
fine. Most people here prefer Classic Shell to Start10, probably
because Classic Shell is free and Start10 costs $4.95. $4.95 is next
to nothing to me, and even though I agree that Classic Shell is a good
choice, I think Start10 is even better.

Why did Microsoft go from the Windows 7 interface to the 8.x/10
interface? I think because so many people use iPads, iPhones, Android
Phones and Tablets, Microsoft saw that as the futures, and they wanted
to be much closer to those. And also because a lot of people were
moving from desktops to laptops and tablets with touch screens, and
they felt the new interface was better with those.

I don't think they were entirely wrong in what they did, but they made
a giant mistake in not providing both interfaces with a clear choice
between them. Some people (especially younger people who are new to
computers) do prefer the new interface, but some of us older folks who
still use desktops hate it.
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Old June 21st 18, 09:41 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Windows 10 Pro Insider Preview version 17692.1000 Breaks ClassicShell

On 6/21/2018 4:30 PM, mike wrote:
Delete everything on it and drag program launcher links to it.
I take it a step further and create a separate page that loads at boot
and has all my program launchers on it.Â* I use MS software only when
freeware doesn't exist...and that's rarely.

This is the native Windows 10 Start page. You can add or subtract the
program icons on the Start page so the Start page shows only the things
you want.

You don't have to drag them. Go to the program either the list that is
part of the start menu, OR to the actual file itself, right click and
select pin to start. Doing the same thing you can pin them to the task
manager.

I have about 30 of my most frequently used programs on the start menu,
and 10 of my main programs on the task bar.



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Old June 22nd 18, 02:37 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Windows 10 Pro Insider Preview version 17692.1000 Breaks Classic Shell

On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 09:32:46 -0400, Big Al wrote:

On 06/21/2018 09:27 AM, SilverSlimer wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 07:49:06 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

On 6/21/2018 7:15 AM, Big Al wrote:
On 06/21/2018 04:52 AM, GlowingBlueMist wrote:
Once again Microsoft has found a way to break the Classic Shell
program that many people use as a replacement for Microsoft's much
hated "Start" button at least on my two W10 Pro Insider machines.


The Classic Shell program worked just fine with Windows 10 Insider
version 17686.1003.* Unfortunately I have just completed upgrading two
machines running in virtual space on VMWare's Workstation to
17692.1000. **The Windows Insider versions of W10 were run on two
different AMD based computers with it making no difference.* On both
W10 Insider machines the Classic Shell program works just fine the
first time you try to use it but subsequent uses of the start button
act strange until after 3 attempts to use the "Start" button and it no
longer functions until you reboot the machine.


Perhaps someone else will take up the gauntlet and continue working
with the Classic Start menu program.

If not, all is not lost, there are at least 6 other programs that may
be able to take over the lead replacement start program.

Here is a link to an article by Ben Stegner discussing the subject
which also includes links to some of the possible replacements for
Classic Shell.

https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/window...u-alternative/


Unfortunately the author of the Classic Shell program has abandoned
the software and moved on to other things so unless someone else steps
in to adjust or fix that program it looks like Microsoft will finally
be able to stop people from using it.


Then again, who knows if the current problems Classic Shell has with
the latest Windows 10 Insider edition will continue to exist when they
actually release the next version or two to the public masses.

In windows 8.1 that menu was a real bummer till they at least allowed
you to boot to the desktop.* (I bought 8.0 on day one).*** I found
start8 to be very good and I hear now there is a start10.** I would vote
for that.

But I've now been using Win10's own start menu and find it isn't that
bad.* Sure it's nowhere near 7's but if you clean off the crap and
organize your stuff in nice groups and widen the menu so you can get
more icons, it's not bad, even usable.** I mean how many programs does
the average non-power user use?
I find I can access items in the native Windows 10 start, much faster
that I ever could in Older version of Windows start menus.

One of the best things about Windows 10 Start is the absence of the old
collapsing folder system. That was one of the hardest thing ever
developed by Microsoft. For deep folders I always took two or more
tries to get where I wanted to go.


I honestly have to wonder why so many people are so attached to
Windows 7 over 10. The start menu, as you say, is much better in 10
than it ever was and in terms of performance, there is little to no
difference between 7 and 10. The new anti-malware system is also quite
stellar, what with the controlled folders in particular. People need
to let go of the past and embrace the future.

I think the process of change is the issue. People in general, even me,
don't like change. I saw some previews of Win10 before it's release.
Buggy but still usable and I thought it was hell on wheels. I told
every one of my friends that they and I should never use it. Now I'm
quite satisfied that it works and have learned to use it with ease. Of
course there's the disclaimer he "I use linux for everyday use and
turn win 10 on about 3 hours a month."


What do you need Windows for, exactly?
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Old June 22nd 18, 05:32 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Windows 10 Pro Insider Preview version 17692.1000 Breaks ClassicShell

Ken Blake wrote:

Why did Microsoft go from the Windows 7 interface to the 8.x/10
interface? I think because so many people use iPads, iPhones, Android
Phones and Tablets, Microsoft saw that as the futures, and they wanted
to be much closer to those.


MSFT has been thinking about tiles in the UI for two decades.

Just one example[1] - http://tinypic.com/r/28817x5/9

Other things to consider - Integration across the o/s, contacts, calendar,
cloud and applications started well before the 'smart' device became
available and popular. One of, if not the first, cross-company platform
integration was Outlook contacts and calendar on an iPod.
Also look no further back than a decade ago with Windows Live Essentials
2008(Nov. 2007)
- Those Essential applications(PhotoGallery, Messenger, Mesh, Mail,
SkyDrive/Spaces)were the seeds for and evolved into the Win8x/10 included apps.

i.e. the future that MSFT saw started two decades ago when the MSN and MSN
Explorer Team(subscription based software[2]) in Cupertino relocated to
Seattle and eventually became the employees for Live and Mobile platforms
and later merged with Windows to work on Windows 8x.

[1] MSn Explorer software
[2] Even today,well over 1.6 Million subscription remain and that includes
Outlook.com Plus(ad free accounts) but excludes Office 365 subscriptions.
Last estimate I heard was MSn/Live/Hotmail/Outlook.com subscription
accounts have raked in a whopping $16 Billion dollars of revenue since 1995.


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