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"VanguardLH" wrote
| about Firefox but you cannot discuss Firefox (which he claims should go | in the general newsgroup but that discusses EVERYTHING regarding | Mozilla, not just Firefox). And, general is pretty much a dead group. So Chris is being disingenuous saying posts should be made there. I stopped going to their server altogether and gladly offer help in Windows groups. It's the only realistic option. That's the nice thing about usenet: It's just about the only place left where we're all adults with equal rights and not subject to having ideas filtered. |
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Mayayana wrote:
"VanguardLH" wrote | about Firefox but you cannot discuss Firefox (which he claims should go | in the general newsgroup but that discusses EVERYTHING regarding | Mozilla, not just Firefox). And, general is pretty much a dead group. So Chris is being disingenuous saying posts should be made there. I stopped going to their server altogether and gladly offer help in Windows groups. It's the only realistic option. That's the nice thing about usenet: It's just about the only place left where we're all adults with equal rights and not subject to having ideas filtered. I don't need nor want the hand-holding of moderators in Usenet. I have yet to trial or use an NNTP client that doesn't let me define filters. I get to decide how I filter Usenet for how I want to view it, not rely on the bias and inefficiency of some human acting as moderator. For me, if you don't filter then you accept a view of Usenet that shows all articles and you'll have to use an on-deman filter (your eyes and brain) to skip what you don't want to read - of course, after already seeing it. Yep, Ilias has destroyed the Firefox newsgroup. And no one at Mozilla cares. There has NEVER been a call for other users to volunteer as moderators to allow 24x7 coverage of the newsgroup (obviously Ilias won't be present when he is at work or sleeping) and average out the bias (all humans have some). Nor has Mozilla considered abandoning their archaic maillist setup to which they grafted an NNTP gateway and going straight to an NNTP server (e.g., INN). There is no guaranteed delivery in e-mail protocols. There is no where for the mail server to return a fail status to the submitter because the NNTP session has ended by the time the mail server gets the submission, so the submitter never knows that their submission ran afoul of some screwup in the mail server on the other side of the NNTP gateway. And, no, I'm not wasting my time trying to use e-mail to participate in a discussion in a [news]group. If Mozilla wants to continue operating a mailing list for their help groups, they should stick with just that method. Adding an NNTP gateway just screws up the error status reporting scheme since the NNTP client won't get notification back through the NNTP gateway when the mail server ****s up. Mozilla should've moved to NNTP only a long time ago, or they should've kept separate their mailing lists from their NNTP newsgroups. Similar problems arise with web-based forums that employ NNTP gateways to pretend they have a larger community while catering to the newbies that only know how to use a web browser and installing, configuring, and using an NNTP client is far beyond their comprehension (i.e., use dumb interfaces for dumb users). The web-based "newsgroups" are flat (no hierarchy) and often do not add the References header hence destroying a conversation by starting new but disconnected threads. Once an NNTP gateway is employed whether to an e-mail or web server, that endpoint is unreliable for Usenet. Ilias' moderation just adds insult to the already imperfect setup. It is almost as though he relishes throwing salt on the wound. |
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VanguardLH,
Have you tried asking at the mozilla.support.firefox newgroup? That's if you can past their moderator My apologies for butting in, but do you have any idea where I post Win32 - FF programming related questions with any hope of getting a reply ? I've tried a few newsgroups (based on their names) on news.mozilla.org, but either the post didn't turn up or was done in a pretty-much empty one (but had to try regardless). The thing is that I've been figuring out how to use FFs (16, later 52) DLLs to set up an SLL connection (works), but have no idea how to verify an incoming certificate (upto the CA). In short, I have no idea what the callback in SSL_AuthCertificateHook should contain. Regards, Rudy Wieser |
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R.Wieser wrote on 11/08/2018 6:20 PM:
VanguardLH, Have you tried asking at the mozilla.support.firefox newgroup? That's if you can past their moderator My apologies for butting in, but do you have any idea where I post Win32 - FF programming related questions with any hope of getting a reply ? I've tried a few newsgroups (based on their names) on news.mozilla.org, but either the post didn't turn up or was done in a pretty-much empty one (but had to try regardless). The thing is that I've been figuring out how to use FFs (16, later 52) DLLs to set up an SLL connection (works), but have no idea how to verify an incoming certificate (upto the CA). In short, I have no idea what the callback in SSL_AuthCertificateHook should contain. Regards, Rudy Wieser Rudy, as others are suggesting, getting a post to appear on the mozilla.support.firefox news group on the news.mozilla.org news server, but, if you're willing to wait a bit whilst your post get moderated, it should, eventually, appear. SHOULD! Another option ... I use the SeaMonkey Internet Suite (think Firefox Browser + Thunderbird Email & News Client + HTML Composer +) and if I want to find out what the developers are doing, I check out the mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey newsgroup. I would expect there to be a similar mozilla.devs.apps.firefox newsgroup, but it's probably moderated as well, so you might have to wait there as well. Another possibility could be irc://moznet/firefox on the irc://irc.mozilla.org/ irc server. Maybe some Firefox Devs hang out there. HTH -- Daniel |
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Daniel60,
if you're willing to wait a bit whilst your post get moderated, it should, eventually, appear. I have monoitored the involved newsgroups for a few weeks after posting, but never saw my post appear. For the others I either saw no other posts appear (dead groups), or no response to it. I check out the mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey newsgroup. I was not aware that FF was part of the seamonkey a suite. So thanks for the suggestion. Another possibility could be irc://moznet/firefox on the irc://irc.mozilla.org/ irc server. Maybe some Firefox Devs hang out there. I'll keep that in mind a a last resort (do not like IRC much). Regards, Rudy Wieser |
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On 8/11/2018 6:24 AM, R.Wieser wrote [in part]:
I was not aware that FF was part of the seamonkey a suite. So thanks for the suggestion. The browser capability in SeaMonkey uses the same core as a prior Firefox version. The user interfaces, however, are quite different. I assert that SeaMonkey's user interface is much superior to Firefox's. At the least, SeaMonkey does not protect me from things from which I definitely do NOT want any protection (e.g., extensions not hosted by the Mozilla Web site). -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com Too often, Twitter is a source of verbal vomit. Examples include Donald Trump and Roseanne Barr. |
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Oh crapola. I did try the Firefox newsgroup but it failed to post ! That's why I posted here. Read my post for those who did not! If I restart Firefox, how do I get to the download folder ???? Now to make matters worse, on another Win XP laptop, if I download something the Menu Downloads give me a blank screen. But it did download because Everything finds it (knowing the name of the download or keeping Everything active and sorted on Date while I do downloads.) Latest Firefox ESR is the Win XP compatible version supposedly. Latest download means I just downloaded Firefox ESR and installed it. What else can it mean? OG wrote: Why is there no way to open the last download folder after a firefox restart !!! ? |
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On Sat, 11 Aug 2018 09:55:00 -0700, OG wrote:
Oh crapola. I did try the Firefox newsgroup but it failed to post ! That's why I posted here. Read my post for those who did not! If I restart Firefox, how do I get to the download folder ???? Now to make matters worse, on another Win XP laptop, if I download something the Menu Downloads give me a blank screen. But it did download because Everything finds it (knowing the name of the download or keeping Everything active and sorted on Date while I do downloads.) Latest Firefox ESR is the Win XP compatible version supposedly. Latest download means I just downloaded Firefox ESR and installed it. What else can it mean? In about:config is browser.download.useDownloadDir set to "True" ? Does browser.download.dir exist ? Mine is currently "C:\Down" []'s OG wrote: Why is there no way to open the last download folder after a firefox restart !!! ? -- Don't be evil - Google 2004 We have a new policy - Google 2012 |
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On 08/11/2018 11:55 AM, OG wrote:
[snip] Latest Firefox ESR is the Win XP compatible version supposedly. Latest download means I just downloaded Firefox ESR and installed it. What else can it mean? AFAIK, the latest ESR is 60, released at the same time as 52.8. OG wrote: Why is there no way to open the last download folder after a firefox My FF has one. "Tools downloads", right click, 'open containing folder'. You could also open the folder yourself. -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.us/ "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful." Seneca the Younger (4? B.C. - 65 A.D.) |
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On 08/10/2018 04:38 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
On 8/10/2018 1:15 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote: On 08/09/2018 10:08 PM, David E. Ross wrote: On 8/9/2018 7:43 PM, OG wrote: Why is there no way to open the last download folder after a firefox restart !!! ? Have you tried asking at the mozilla.support.firefox newgroup? For that, you need to create a free account in SeaMonkey for the news.mozilla.org news server. I use this server (news.mozilla.org) frequently, and there's no account requirement there. Perhaps you were referring to setting up your newsreader. In my newsreader, each setup for a NNTP (network news transfer protocol) server is termed an "account". Yes. That is different from an account on the server, which that sounded line. Also, I included the name of the server (news.mozilla.org). So, not really wrong, but somewhat unclear. -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.us/ "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful." Seneca the Younger (4? B.C. - 65 A.D.) |
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On 08/10/2018 05:44 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
[snip] There _is_ a requirement to register (or something) to use the _newsgroup_ mozilla.support.firefox on the mozilla _server_. That server does also carry unmoderated 'groups, such as mozilla.general . I've posted there for several years, and read replies to my posts. There was never anything about registering. I checked my "saved logons" (in newsreader) and found nothing for Mozilla. BTW, the other non-public server I use sometimes is news.grc.com, which DOES have a special requirement for posting. (You don't of course have to set up the account in SeaMonkey - you can do it in any news client software that is compatible with the server, which I think means any that will do NNTP.) I use Thunderbird, which should be similar to SeaMonkey. The suggestion of asking in the Firefox support 'group is a good one. Yes. -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.us/ "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful." Seneca the Younger (4? B.C. - 65 A.D.) |
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Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 08/11/2018 11:55 AM, OG wrote: [snip] Latest Firefox ESR is the Win XP compatible version supposedly. Latest download means I just downloaded Firefox ESR and installed it. What else can it mean? AFAIK, the latest ESR is 60, released at the same time as 52.8. OG wrote: Why is there no way to open the last download folder after a firefox My FF has one. "Tools downloads", right click, 'open containing folder'. You could also open the folder yourself. I think 52.9 is the latest and final release for Win XP. |
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David,
The user interfaces, however, are quite different. In my case I have isolated the DLLs FF 52 uses to set up an SSL connection, and am fully ignoring the browser part. But ... Reading your description about seamonkey, it might be a good idea to take a peek - Although I'm using FF 52 ESR, thats not by choice*, but by necessity. An earlier version got rejected by more-and-more websites, because it doesn't support the newer encyption standards. *just to name a two dislikings: It keeps phoning home, and the NewTab tiles do even worse. But although I've looked for it, I cannot seem to find any comparision chart in regard to which version of FF supports which encryption standards (otherwise I've probably would have been using an older, good-enough-for-me version). At the least, SeaMonkey does not protect me from things from which I definitely do NOT want any protection (e.g., extensions not hosted by the Mozilla Web site). To be fair, FF 52 still allows you to bypass that check (without which I would not be able to run my own experiments in that regard). It keeps warning (nagging) you about it on the extension page though. But yes, it has become a bit too nannying for my liking, as well as too flirty with advertising. Regards, Rudy Wieser |
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"Bill in Co" wrote
| I think 52.9 is the latest and final release for Win XP. | Yes. And 60 is the last ESR, but not supported on XP. However, OG can't be bothered to formulate his question or understand what's going on. He's one of those people who just screams, "Ahg! What's wrong!", and expects someone to solve his problem for him. I'm guessing what's wrong is that he neglected to lift the toilet seat first. |
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OG,
If I restart Firefox, how do I get to the download folder ???? So, you mean that exit the firefox program, and than doubleclick the FireFox icon on your desktop to make it appear again. Right ? Yep, there is no way someone could read that any way different ! /sarcasm FYI, I can read your origional question *and* your above one (which does not add *any* new information to it) in at least ... five different ways. Also, I gave you two ways to get to it. I have not even seen an acknowledgement, let alone either a thank you *or* a description to why that isn't what you need - and what you need instead. Latest download means I just downloaded Firefox ESR and installed it. What else can it mean? It means that you are making up stuff. :-( Why ? Because the above is the very first time you have referred to "FireFox ESR" having just been downloaded-and-installed. And yes, its one of that series of ways I mentioned I could interpret your question. Newsflash: We here are *humans*. We do *not* posess any mind-reading capabilities. If you have a problem and want us to provide a solution you need to provide as much relevant info in with it as possible. Expecting us to just grab the info from your mind will NOT work. There is an old saying: at least 50% of (the quality of) the answer is directly dependant on (the quality of)the question (bad questions get bad answers). Regards, Rudy Wieser P.s. It depends. On what ? On if you reused the old profiles for the new installation, and if that new installation was able to recognise (all) the old data in it, *and* if it did not just overwrite it with its own (default) preferences. If not you won't be able to (find the old download folder thru FF. Does not stop you from finding it thru Windows filemanager though). And seeing that you have not already found that folder thru either of the methods I gave you I think you're out of luck. |
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