registry cleaner and back up

That's DSH, kind sir.

CCleaner works for me and provides performance increases.

I also regularly use and recommend NTREGOPT.EXE.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

"John Barnett MVP" wrote in message
...

yes, DHS, I do use CCleaner and, as I have stated in my original post,
regularly recommend it but, unlike you, I haven't seen any speed increase
through its use. Once again I have to quote Bruce Chambers in as much as
"CCleaner's sole strength lies in its usefulness for cleaning up unused
temporary files from the hard drive." If there is any performance, and
without testing it rigourously solely for the purpose of ascertaining any
increase in performance I would have to say that any such claim to fame
regarding current increase in performance, if indeed there is any, is
negligible.

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"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...

There you have it.

Even this MVP uses it.

So do I.

It's a very useful tool.

DSH

"John Barnett MVP" wrote in message
...

I have to say that I recommend CCleaner and use I [sic] regularly
myself...

I agree...

One needs to be cautious and careful.

DSH

"Poprivet`" wrote in message
...
Yeah, I can't speak for Vista, but ccleaner is pretty good with all the
previous versions of windows. I'm pretty curious about Vista and the "run
& switch" type thing you mentioned, but not curious enough to buy it since
it seems to give me nothing of any advantage over what I currently have
and which is very satisfactory.
IMO whenever one comes across some purist who says to "never" use a
certain application when it's been around for as long as ccleaner (and
several others) has and with its good history, they can pretty much be
ignored.
I would caution however that, as with ANY application that plays with
the registry or any system files or functions, one should always RTFM and
be certain their data is backed up. At the very least, with XP, do a
System State backup first; it's quick and easy to Restore, and more
reliable then Restore Points. And every copy of XP is capable of it.

HTH

Pop`



John Barnett MVP wrote:
I have to say that I recommend CCleaner and use I
regularly myself. While I agree with Bruce Chambers
sentiments regarding CCleaner checking what CCleaner is
actually removing, in the few years I've been using
CCleaner I can't say that I've actually been in a
position were CCleaner has located a large amount of
'problems' that needed fixing, even on brand new
machine. I purchased a new machine two weeks ago,
installed and run CCleaner and it only found 2 problems.
Speed increase is probably relative. It is amazing how,
after using a registry cleaner one automatically thinks,
WoW that certainly improved things when, in reality it
has done nothing of the sort. I certainly haven't seen
any increase in speed - well that has been noticeable,
anyway.
One thing I have noticed, with Windows Vista Ultimate at
any rate is that when CCleaner is doing general
housekeeping, i.e., removing temporary internet files,
history etc I am actually seeing a ghost image of Windows
Vista's Disk Cleanup Tool, so unless my machine happens
to be a fluke I am beginning to ask myself who I actually
cleaning what CCleaner or Vista Disk Cleanup?
--

"Daave" wrote in
message ...
No bait. You're the one who made the claim. I've used
Ccleaner and have only found the clearing of temp files
to be beneficial. If you've done more extensive testing,
good for you. But bear in mind that is was YOU who made
the claim in the first place! And I still find it
interesting you're unwilling to back it up. Belief and knowledge are two
different things...


"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in
message ...
Right!

He just wants someone else to do his work for him.

DSH

" db ´¯`·.. )))º` .. ."
databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com wrote in
message news:%23duS% ...

he is a sly one and
was just baiting you.

if he had such an open
mind, he could download
the program and test it
himself.
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"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in
message ...

I don't give a rat's rear end whether you believe me
or not. I'm not trying to sell anything.

So, it's not worth my time and effort to post
elaborate results of the tests
I ran -- which will simply lead to a long thread of
worthless back and forth
caterwauling.

I can use that time far better in other useful
pursuits such as managing my
stock portfolio, working on the car, writing a
historical post or email or
doing something nice for my wife -- not necessarily
in that order. g I ran controlled tests on nine different machines
with various configurations -- using the Registry
Cleaner in CCleaner. Performance was improved on all of them -- fewer
hangs and pauses, faster
loading of applications, faster executions of
commands and faster startups
and shutdowns.

No Glitches -- Removing Something That Should Not
Have Been Removed -- No
FUD.

I have no experience of using other Registry Cleaners
-- so I can't speak to
them.

I do, carefully, sometimes manually remove or make
changes to the Registry. So, I'm not a barefoot
empiricist. Your Mileage May Vary...

So, Run Your Own Tests.

Bonne Chance!

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Poprivet` wrote:
Bruce Chambers wrote:
...
CCleaner's sole strength, and the only reason I
use
it, lies in its usefulness for cleaning up unused
temporary files from the hard drive.

That sounds a tad suspicious when that ability is
available natively . But, you're entitled to your
opinion, applicability and reality aside.

Pop`




"Suspicious?" How so? I could understand if you'd said "redundant" or
"unnecessary."

The ability to remove temporary files is available natively, as you
say, but it's a rather tedious process, as the WinXP disk cleaning
routine cleans those files _only_ from the profile of the user running
the cleanup utility. If there's only ever one user on the computer,
this is fine. But, for computers with by multiple users, one must
either log into each individual account and run the disk cleanup, or one
must manually clean all of the files out of all of the other user
profiles. CCleaner allows one user (with administrative privileges, of
course) to clean the temp files out of all - or a few targeted -
profiles at once. It's a handy time-saver, primarily.


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killed a great many philosophers.
~ Denis Diderot

Poprivet` wrote:
Because it comes from an MVP doesn't make it that much
better than any other thughtful poster on this group.
At least two other MVPs will tell you not to use it
under any circumstances for registry work. Those same
two instead suggest editing the registry manually;
completely folly for a lot more people than using a
cleaner ever screwed up.


While it's true that there is some risk in editing the registry
manually, there is far less chance of a single manual registry change
rendering the computer unbootable, than there is when allowing a poorly
understood software utility to make global changes. And we always
advise a backup be made first.


All being an MVP means is they've passed a few tests
in one or sometimes more areas of the MS operating
system. That's good, but it doesn't mean that their
expertise is in the area of any particular thread, nor
that they are going to have any more common sense than
the next guy. All it says is they passed the test to
get the title. A few even use the title when it's not
true, but I don't see a lot of that on this particular
group.


No, that's completely wrong. There's no test (other than "the test of
time") to become an MVP. The MVP status is awarded for one's having
given frequent and consistently accurate technical advice for at least
the past year.


So, while advice from an MVP CAN be great, it could
also be no better than anyone else's responses. As
with any group, it's worth lurking first and learning
who the better players are.


It is true that even MVPs can make mistakes, have opinions, etc. So
it's worthwhile, as always, to weigh the various options before choosing
a course of action.


--

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safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell

The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
killed a great many philosophers.
~ Denis Diderot

Chambers seems to have a fundamental misunderstanding.

The smart user of CCleaner makes sure he checks each and every Registry
Entry Deletion BEFORE deleting it.

I certainly do.

DSH

If you correctly think of how the registry works, its purpose etc. you will
absolutely KNOW that
cleaning it (deleting orphan entries etc.) will result in absolutely no
increase in performance whatsoever.
Ask any intelligent knowledgeable programmer.
"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...
That's DSH, kind sir.

CCleaner works for me and provides performance increases.

I also regularly use and recommend NTREGOPT.EXE.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

"John Barnett MVP" wrote in message
...

yes, DHS, I do use CCleaner and, as I have stated in my original post,
regularly recommend it but, unlike you, I haven't seen any speed increase
through its use. Once again I have to quote Bruce Chambers in as much as
"CCleaner's sole strength lies in its usefulness for cleaning up unused
temporary files from the hard drive." If there is any performance, and
without testing it rigourously solely for the purpose of ascertaining any
increase in performance I would have to say that any such claim to fame
regarding current increase in performance, if indeed there is any, is
negligible.

--
--
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Associate Expert
Windows - Shell/User

Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org

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for any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out
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"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...

There you have it.

Even this MVP uses it.

So do I.

It's a very useful tool.

DSH

"John Barnett MVP" wrote in message
...

I have to say that I recommend CCleaner and use I [sic] regularly
myself...

D. Spencer Hines wrote:
Chambers seems to have a fundamental misunderstanding.



No, I know the user base quite well, actually.


The smart user of CCleaner makes sure he checks each and every Registry
Entry Deletion BEFORE deleting it.


But will the average home consumer know what to check for? Of course
not! That's why they shouldn't use a registry "cleaner."


I certainly do.


That has no bearing on others, though, does it? And you've still not
offered any evidence, whatsoever, that the use of a registry "cleaner"
does anything at all useful, even after others have asked you to do so.
Why is that?


--

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Help us help you:
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They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell

The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
killed a great many philosophers.
~ Denis Diderot

And of course you KNOW each and every one?
"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...
Chambers seems to have a fundamental misunderstanding.

The smart user of CCleaner makes sure he checks each and every Registry
Entry Deletion BEFORE deleting it.

I certainly do.

DSH

The Proof Is In The Pudding...

Try CCleaner and NTREGOPT.exe.

I use both and see performance increases aplenty.

Plus -- this is MUCH safer than trying to make MANUAL changes to the
Registry.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

D. Spencer Hines wrote:
The Proof Is In The Pudding...

Try CCleaner and NTREGOPT.exe.

I use both and see performance increases aplenty.

Plus -- this is MUCH safer than trying to make MANUAL changes to the
Registry.

Sigh! Some people will believe this rubbish and hose their systems.
CCleaner is fine as a temporary file remover and system cleaner, just
keep it away from the Registry, is all.

Cheers,

Cliff

--

Have you ever noticed that if something is advertised as 'amusing' or
'hilarious', it usually isn't?

Far too timid.

Not manly...

Use all the features in CCleaner...

Use Perfect Disk, Disk Cleanup and Acronis True Image too, of course.

Don't be a girly man.

DSH

"Enkidu" wrote in message
...

D. Spencer Hines wrote:

The Proof Is In The Pudding...

Try CCleaner and NTREGOPT.exe.

I use both and see performance increases aplenty.

Plus -- this is MUCH safer than trying to make MANUAL changes to the
Registry.

Sigh! Some people will believe this rubbish and hose their systems.
CCleaner is fine as a temporary file remover and system cleaner, just keep
it away from the Registry, is all.

Cheers,

Cliff

Apologies for getting your initial wrong' I'm beginning to think my keyboard
has a will of its own:-)

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Windows - Shell/User

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"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...
That's DSH, kind sir.

CCleaner works for me and provides performance increases.

I also regularly use and recommend NTREGOPT.EXE.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

"John Barnett MVP" wrote in message
...

yes, DHS, I do use CCleaner and, as I have stated in my original post,
regularly recommend it but, unlike you, I haven't seen any speed increase
through its use. Once again I have to quote Bruce Chambers in as much as
"CCleaner's sole strength lies in its usefulness for cleaning up unused
temporary files from the hard drive." If there is any performance, and
without testing it rigourously solely for the purpose of ascertaining any
increase in performance I would have to say that any such claim to fame
regarding current increase in performance, if indeed there is any, is
negligible.

--
--
John Barnett MVP
Associate Expert
Windows - Shell/User

Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org

The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any
kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy,
reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable
for any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out
of the use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in
this mail/post..

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...

There you have it.

Even this MVP uses it.

So do I.

It's a very useful tool.

DSH

"John Barnett MVP" wrote in message
...

I have to say that I recommend CCleaner and use I [sic] regularly
myself...

Why don't you teach people to be cautious instead of reckless?
"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...
Far too timid.

Not manly...

Use all the features in CCleaner...

Use Perfect Disk, Disk Cleanup and Acronis True Image too, of course.

Don't be a girly man.

DSH

"Enkidu" wrote in message
...

D. Spencer Hines wrote:

The Proof Is In The Pudding...

Try CCleaner and NTREGOPT.exe.

I use both and see performance increases aplenty.

Plus -- this is MUCH safer than trying to make MANUAL changes to the
Registry.

Sigh! Some people will believe this rubbish and hose their systems.
CCleaner is fine as a temporary file remover and system cleaner, just
keep it away from the Registry, is all.

Cheers,

Cliff

Nyet problema.

What do you think of NTREGOPT.EXE?

DSH

"John Barnett MVP" wrote in message
...

Apologies for getting your initial wrong' I'm beginning to think my
keyboard has a will of its own:-)

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"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...

That's DSH, kind sir.

CCleaner works for me and provides performance increases.

I also regularly use and recommend NTREGOPT.EXE.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

"John Barnett MVP" wrote in message
...

yes, DHS, I do use CCleaner and, as I have stated in my original post,
regularly recommend it but, unlike you, I haven't seen any speed
increase through its use. Once again I have to quote Bruce Chambers in
as much as "CCleaner's sole strength lies in its usefulness for cleaning
up unused temporary files from the hard drive." If there is any
performance, and without testing it rigourously solely for the purpose
of ascertaining any increase in performance I would have to say that any
such claim to fame regarding current increase in performance, if indeed
there is any, is negligible.

--
--
John Barnett MVP
Associate Expert
Windows - Shell/User

Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org

The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of
any kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the
accuracy, reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not
be liable for any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages
arising out of the use of, or inability to use, information or opinions
expressed in this mail/post..

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...

There you have it.

Even this MVP uses it.

So do I.

It's a very useful tool.

DSH

"John Barnett MVP" wrote in message
...

I have to say that I recommend CCleaner and use I [sic] regularly
myself...

Life is about intelligent risk-taking and reward...

Not girly-man timidity.

DSH

"Unknown" wrote in message
et...

Why don't you teach people to be cautious instead of reckless?

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...
Far too timid.

Not manly...

Use all the features in CCleaner...

Use Perfect Disk, Disk Cleanup and Acronis True Image too, of course.

Don't be a girly man.

DSH

"Enkidu" wrote in message
...

D. Spencer Hines wrote:

The Proof Is In The Pudding...

Try CCleaner and NTREGOPT.exe.

I use both and see performance increases aplenty.

Plus -- this is MUCH safer than trying to make MANUAL changes to the
Registry.

Sigh! Some people will believe this rubbish and hose their systems.
CCleaner is fine as a temporary file remover and system cleaner, just
keep it away from the Registry, is all.

Cheers,

Cliff