What say ye about this? XP v. 10

I added XP and 10 groups, since it's rude to talk about them behind
their backs.

I'm still on vacation, so I don't have access to my win10 computer,
but when I got the Samsung WB35F camera (an actual camera) I connected
its USB port to the computer with a cable, the camera light went on
green and after a while I got a message on the camera screen that it
didn't work. And apparently wifi would only communicate with my
phone or 3 pre-determined websites, or maybe I could determine the
website.

But not with my PC.

At least the owners manual said nothing about that.

Last night a complicated scenario made me try that again, with my XP
netbook. And I can see all the pictures in the camera, which is all I
want, to see them and copy them to the PC.

Is there a reason you know of or can imagine why this would work with
XP and not with 10???

I'm hoping maybe the camera is "broken in" and it will work with 10
when I get home.

Dump Win 10 and retain Win XP !
I find similar problems with many apps; slow, hanging, crashing, etc

Just wait for Win S and see what problems you will have.
S == Store. All apps must be approved by M$ ! and downloade from M$
Store (much like Apple).
Apps will run from the cloud where M$ can look at what you are doing !
Some are doing it now.

Get the open source replacement LibraOffice (complete replacement for M$
Office) and ditch Word365 or any Word, Excel, etc.
365 referrers to the world being able to see what you are doing and
steal you information. It will be interesting to see what the EU does
about all of this.

The little app developer guy will be wiped out.
Only big corporations will be able to afford the vetting by M$.

The personal computer will be no more, it will be the public computer !
M$ is leaving us behind for the big corporate dollar.

In article , Win10Hater
wrote:

Dump Win 10 and retain Win XP !

nonsense.

I find similar problems with many apps; slow, hanging, crashing, etc

then your apps are buggy.

Just wait for Win S and see what problems you will have.
S == Store. All apps must be approved by M$ ! and downloade from M$
Store (much like Apple).

apple doesn't have that restriction.

Apps will run from the cloud where M$ can look at what you are doing !
Some are doing it now.

nonsense. apps run locally.

Get the open source replacement LibraOffice (complete replacement for M$
Office) and ditch Word365 or any Word, Excel, etc.

open source replacements are generally worse.

365 referrers to the world being able to see what you are doing and
steal you information.

nonsense.

It will be interesting to see what the EU does
about all of this.

they won't do anything.

The little app developer guy will be wiped out.
Only big corporations will be able to afford the vetting by M$.

nonsense.

The personal computer will be no more, it will be the public computer !
M$ is leaving us behind for the big corporate dollar.

the personal computer has been replaced by mobile devices.

On 5/10/2017 4:11 PM, nospam wrote:
the personal computer has been replaced by mobile devices.

This is a perception caused by the use of percentages to show market
share. In you have 100 computer then the computers have 100% of the
market share. If some one invents a new device and sells 100 of the new
device, the computers will have a 50% market share. The computers have
not changed, there is still 100 in use.

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In article , Keith Nuttle
wrote:

the personal computer has been replaced by mobile devices.

This is a perception caused by the use of percentages to show market
share.

not at all.

In you have 100 computer then the computers have 100% of the
market share. If some one invents a new device and sells 100 of the new
device, the computers will have a 50% market share. The computers have
not changed, there is still 100 in use.

you're ignoring that people are *replacing* the computers with mobile
devices, not new computers.

Micky wrote:
I added XP and 10 groups, since it's rude to talk about them behind
their backs.

I'm still on vacation, so I don't have access to my win10 computer,
but when I got the Samsung WB35F camera (an actual camera) I connected
its USB port to the computer with a cable, the camera light went on
green and after a while I got a message on the camera screen that it
didn't work. And apparently wifi would only communicate with my
phone or 3 pre-determined websites, or maybe I could determine the
website.

But not with my PC.

At least the owners manual said nothing about that.

Last night a complicated scenario made me try that again, with my XP
netbook. And I can see all the pictures in the camera, which is all I
want, to see them and copy them to the PC.

Is there a reason you know of or can imagine why this would work with
XP and not with 10???

I'm hoping maybe the camera is "broken in" and it will work with 10
when I get home.

I can't find confirmation it has USB Mass Storage transfer
(so you can see "DCIM" in My Computer). That should work
in both WinXP and Win10. An Amazon reviewer claims they
used the USB cable to transfer pictures.

Paul

On 11/5/2017 1:52 AM, Micky wrote:
I'm still on vacation, so I don't have access to my win10 computer,
but when I got the Samsung WB35F camera (an actual camera) I connected
its USB port to the computer with a cable, the camera light went on
green and after a while I got a message on the camera screen that it
didn't work. And apparently wifi would only communicate with my
phone or 3 pre-determined websites, or maybe I could determine the
website....
Last night a complicated scenario made me try that again, with my XP
netbook. And I can see all the pictures in the camera, which is all I
want, to see them and copy them to the PC.

Poor or loose USB connection? USB Cable? SD card not seating right
inside the camera?

You sure that the Samsung camera does offer a USB storage mode
accessible by any computer via USB without the need for driver?

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There's a post missing, because I sent it to the wrong thread or
groups or something, but I have a problem that can't wait.

I got the USB cable working and copied about 1200 pictures I took in
the last 20 days. If this were film it would have been maybe 120
pictures instead. In either case, they would all be masterpieces.

After copying from the SD card in the camera to the PC, I thought it
would be efficient to rename the directory int he camera and create a
new one with the name 101Photo. I thought about asking here, but then
I thought, Heck, I know what I'm doing. I didn't get to be president
of a 4 billion a year company by asking every time I wanted to do
something.

So i renamed it and the new name appears in the title bar of the file
manager, and the title bar for its half of the screen, but the hour
glass is still showing 25 minutes after I did this. It only took 15
minutes to copy the pictures, but otoh, I was copying tehm to a
harddrive which I guess is faster than an SD card (even though I made
a point to get a fast SD card)

It does NOT say "program stopped" or whatever at the top, so my only
thought is that to change t he directory name, it has to change
something in everyone of the 1200 files in that directory.

Is that true?

Does it wear out the SD card to make such changes for what is
basically no good reason**?. Like flashdrives wear out, or used to.

If I'd known that I never would have done this. **It takes a little
effort to find where I left off at the last backup, but only a little.
And both my earlier Fuji and another camera came with softwware that
would do it automatically, whicfh I could have looked for and
installed on the netbook but did not.

So, Is it true? How long should I wait. ... Oh, it just finished,
after about 30 minutes, but the questions still stand, if you have any
info on the subject.




On Wed, 10 May 2017 20:52:10 +0300, Micky wrote:

I added XP and 10 groups, since it's rude to talk about them behind
their backs.

I'm still on vacation, so I don't have access to my win10 computer,
but when I got the Samsung WB35F camera (an actual camera) I connected
its USB port to the computer with a cable, the camera light went on
green and after a while I got a message on the camera screen that it
didn't work. And apparently wifi would only communicate with my
phone or 3 pre-determined websites, or maybe I could determine the
website.

But not with my PC.

At least the owners manual said nothing about that.

Last night a complicated scenario made me try that again, with my XP
netbook. And I can see all the pictures in the camera, which is all I
want, to see them and copy them to the PC.

Is there a reason you know of or can imagine why this would work with
XP and not with 10???

I'm hoping maybe the camera is "broken in" and it will work with 10
when I get home.

Micky wrote:


After copying from the SD card in the camera to the PC, I thought it
would be efficient to rename the directory int he camera and create a
new one with the name 101Photo. I thought about asking here, but then
I thought, Heck, I know what I'm doing. I didn't get to be president
of a 4 billion a year company by asking every time I wanted to do
something.


The camera scheme is a standard. "DCIM" is not random.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Design...ra_File_system

"The filesystem in a digital camera contains a DCIM
*(Digital Camera IMages)* directory, which can contain
multiple subdirectories with names such as "123ABCDE"
that consist of a unique directory number (in the range
100…999) and five alphanumeric characters, which may be
freely chosen and often refer to a camera maker."

See if you can use the in-camera SD format capability. It
should put a fresh filesystem and place a DCIM at the
top level.

There have been cases, where Windows computer meddling with
an SD, results in the SD becoming useless, as the camera
won't fix it. There are some corner cases where this
simple scheme falls apart. It does not pay to "edit"
the media from the Windows side.

To reformat, you'll probably need to pull the USB cable,
request the camera to shut down or something, to get the
current operation to stop. USB Mass Storage, only one entity
can be Master, so if the PC runs the camera memory, the
camera cannot run it. Once the umbilical is disconnected,
and the camera is back in charge of the SD, it should
be able to format it the way a camera needs it.

Now you'll know the next time, to not screw around.

I hope your archived copy of all the content is
in good order...

I'll tell you how I use mine. I have a 32G SD in the camera.
I use flash cells like toilet paper (sequentially). The camera
just keeps creating new folders, per session. I have no plan
to "clean it" or use in-camera format, until the entire 32GB
is used. Which is probably the year 2050 or so. I don't practice
a special ceremony on the SD, put it on an alter with an animal
sacrifice. I just use it until it's full, which hasn't happened
yet. That way, even if the wear leveling isn't all that good,
the wear is actually spread out by the application of the thing.
That's why I do it that way.

I run my flash-based telephone answering machine the same way,
use the flash sequentially, only blow away all the calls when
it's nearly full.

Paul

In article , Micky
wrote:

After copying from the SD card in the camera to the PC, I thought it
would be efficient to rename the directory int he camera and create a
new one with the name 101Photo. I thought about asking here, but then
I thought, Heck, I know what I'm doing. I didn't get to be president
of a 4 billion a year company by asking every time I wanted to do
something.

why would you think that's a good idea?

the camera will rename that if it needs to, generally if the folder
fills (usually 999 photos, sometimes 99).

So i renamed it and the new name appears in the title bar of the file
manager, and the title bar for its half of the screen, but the hour
glass is still showing 25 minutes after I did this.

cancel it and reformat the card.

It only took 15
minutes to copy the pictures, but otoh, I was copying tehm to a
harddrive which I guess is faster than an SD card (even though I made
a point to get a fast SD card)

that depends on the hard drive and card.

if your computer is a windows xp system, the hd is *slow*.

It does NOT say "program stopped" or whatever at the top, so my only
thought is that to change t he directory name, it has to change
something in everyone of the 1200 files in that directory.

Is that true?

what you did is not supported, so anything goes.

Does it wear out the SD card to make such changes for what is
basically no good reason**?. Like flashdrives wear out, or used to.

no.

If I'd known that I never would have done this. **It takes a little
effort to find where I left off at the last backup, but only a little.
And both my earlier Fuji and another camera came with softwware that
would do it automatically, whicfh I could have looked for and
installed on the netbook but did not.

So, Is it true? How long should I wait. ... Oh, it just finished,
after about 30 minutes, but the questions still stand, if you have any
info on the subject.

if you've copied the photos to the computer, you're done. erase the
card and shoot more photos.

On Wed, 10 May 2017 16:11:43 -0400, nospam
wrote:

if your computer is a windows xp system, the hd is *slow*.

Yes, much slower than the camera's microSD.
Dream on ....
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On Wed, 10 May 2017 22:19:07 +0300, Micky wrote:

This remains the most important question:

So i renamed the directory wth the photos that is on the SD card in the camera

and the new name appears in the title bar of the file
manager, and the title bar for its half of the screen, but the hour
glass is still showing 25 minutes after I did this. It only took 15
minutes to copy the pictures, but otoh, I was copying tehm to a
harddrive which I guess is faster than an SD card (even though I made
a point to get a fast SD card)
?
It does NOT say "program stopped" or whatever at the top,


ESPECIALLY HE

so my only
thought is that to change the directory name, it has to change
something in every one of the 1200 files in that directory.

Is that true?

Does it wear out the SD card to make such changes for what is
basically no good reason**?. Like flashdrives wear out, or used to.

If I'd known that I never would have done this. **It takes a little
effort to find where I left off at the last backup, but only a little.
And both my earlier Fuji and another camera came with softwware that
would do it automatically, whicfh I could have looked for and
installed on the netbook but did not.

So, Is it true? How long should I wait. ... Oh, it just finished,
after about 30 minutes, but the questions still stand, if you have any
info on the subject.

This is the post that I mistdirected, and I've left the chronology**
but I've amended the ending.

**I know that some of you hate the chronologies and others like them.
-------------------------------

Darn, I should have copied the pictures t his morning when the PC saw
them. This time it said nothing when the camera was off, and after
I turned it on, it said "Computer Connected" and a couple minutes
later it said "Connecting Error". This last one was the error message
with win10.

But eventually I saw that USB Safely Remove shows one more USB Mass
Storage Device.

But nothing has shown up in the file manager. ;-(

Now (becuase of time?) the light changed to red and a message on the
PC says the device was removed.

Turned on the camera again, "Computer Connecting" and now it's drive
D: and E:** D: is the launcher, whatever that is, and E: is the
data. Nothing in most of the 10 or so directories, and very little in
the rest, except all the pictures are in the DCIM/101Photo directory.
What does 101Photo mean? I googled and wikied and didn't find an
answer.

**Well they would be there if PowerDesk hadn't frozen. It rarely does
that.

The first instance stayed frozen but a second instance worked
eventually.

So it works after all. I wonder if I'd pursued this more with win10,
if it woudl have connected. I'll find out when I get home. .

It took 15 minutes to copy the 1200 files, and 30 minutes to rename
the directory in the camera, and 10 seconds to add a new directory
with the name t he old one used to have.

This all means I'll back up the photos more often, and won't wait 20
days and 1200 photos.


I should copy all the pictures to a flashdrive too, shouldn't I? I
brought several but I've just been usign them for Science Friday and
Backstory podcasts.




On Wed, 10 May 2017 20:52:10 +0300, Micky wrote:

I added XP and 10 groups, since it's rude to talk about them behind
their backs.

I'm still on vacation, so I don't have access to my win10 computer,
but when I got the Samsung WB35F camera (an actual camera) I connected
its USB port to the computer with a cable, the camera light went on
green and after a while I got a message on the camera screen that it
didn't work. And apparently wifi would only communicate with my
phone or 3 pre-determined websites, or maybe I could determine the
website.

But not with my PC.

At least the owners manual said nothing about that.

Last night a complicated scenario made me try that again, with my XP
netbook. And I can see all the pictures in the camera, which is all I
want, to see them and copy them to the PC.

Is there a reason you know of or can imagine why this would work with
XP and not with 10???

I'm hoping maybe the camera is "broken in" and it will work with 10
when I get home.

Micky écrivait news:s4q6hcdb6tmbdt38av95nqrok2o0af5395
@4ax.com:

all the pictures are in the DCIM/101Photo directory.
What does 101Photo mean?

It looks like the name you used when you tried to rename the folders on the
SDcard.

You said in another post: "I thought it would be efficient to rename the
directory in the camera and create a new one with the name 101Photo."

On Tue, 16 May 2017 00:15:49 -0000 (UTC), Dominique
wrote:

Micky écrivait news:s4q6hcdb6tmbdt38av95nqrok2o0af5395
:

all the pictures are in the DCIM/101Photo directory.
What does 101Photo mean?

It looks like the name you used when you tried to rename the folders on the
SDcard.

You said in another post: "I thought it would be efficient to rename the
directory in the camera and create a new one with the name 101Photo."

I didn't choose the name first. I only named the new one that because
that's what the original one was named.

The same directory name is used in the camera and the phone, so I'll
bet it has some significance. Maybe the first digital storage of
photos involved 101 Dalmations, or something like that.