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I have been using Linux for years and never reinstalled an OS.

I have to recompile the Linux kernel and rebuild Xandros once
again. I don't think there have been Xandros updates in the past
6 years. Nor can you just update either, it is too old and it
doesn't work that way. You must update all manually.

"The Xandros desktop edition gained flattering reviews for its slick
and tidy interface, but is now several years out of date and offers
little new for the experienced Linux user.
Most tellingly the applications repositories which are the meat and
drink of Debian-based Linux distributions are well behind the times.
Quote from;

http://www.itpro.co.uk/622528/the-lo...sktop/page/0/2

This was from when Xandros was still around. When did Xandros die?
2006? You think you still know Linux if that's where you stopped?

No, I like Xandros the best. It isn't free, you have to pay for it. I
continued with Ubuntu, Puppy, etc. I still like Xandros better though.
Xandros has two modes, easy and advanced. Easy mode reminds me a lot
like Windows 3.x Program Manager. Although it is more like a tabbed
Program Manager. It boots in half of the time of other Linux distros.
And it is very nice to bootup and do something really quick. Advanced
mode looks more like your typical Debian desktop and you lost the quick
bootup time.


So why didn't you upgrade then? So the boot time of Xandros is
comparable to other Linux distros then if you're using the advance mode
in which you can actually do something productive.
As far as boot times I really don't have the experience with Xandos so
can't comment but I do know that a lot of Linux users are boasting about
their bootup times. Mine are better than my wife's new Windows 8.1
machine but I doubt that it would hold it's own compared to a new Linux
machine. I'm using an old Dell.

My Ubuntu machines needs to be reinstalled about every two years.

Why?

Because Linux updates does not update the kernel. So to do that,
you must manually compile and merge a newer kernel, or wipe
everything out and install a newer distro. And without an updated
kernel, you are forced with older apps. And that doesn't cut it
with things like browsers. As many web pages won't render
correctly.

I get kernels every now and then. As far as the apps they also get
updated. You don't always get new versions through the repos but
there are other ways to get them. No need to reinstall.

I should have said updated kernels. Straight from the repositories.
I'm using 3.13.0.29 now and it was all automatic. I didn't have to do
anything except down load it and install it.

Nobody supports Xandros anymore that I know of. The only thing you can
do is grab the newer source code for the kernel and recompile it. Unless
somebody else already has done it, that is what you have to do.

No you can't do it that way. The kernel for Xandros EeePC can only
use Thunderbird v1.5 or Firefox v2 and that is high as you can go
with that old kernel. Newer applications require a newer kernel or
they just won't run. That is the way Linux works. Most Windows
applications nowadays require XP SP2 or higher, so it is quite
different. Sure many of them say XP SP3 or later, but the majority
still works fine with XP SP2. Sometimes they even run fine under
Windows 2000 SP4 too.

Why can't you do it that way? You get new kernels all the time. In
fact that is the only time I have to reboot.

Yeah I could get the source code to newer Linux kernels without a
problem. Although I have to manually recompile it first before I can use
it.

That's because you're stuck with Xandos. It's a past distro.

It's no difference in Windows than Linux. If you want to use an old Os
then you are stuck without upgrades. One difference tho is that in
Linux you can at least rebuild any of the code if you want to.
Try the new programs on 98 or Vista and see how well they work.

This XP SP2 kernel hasn't changed since 2006 and it still runs 100% of
what I want to run. Any Linux from 2006 is totally useless to me since
it can only run applications from 2006 and nothing newer. Not true of XP
SP2. I am still running the newest stuff with XP SP2.


This is Distrowatch's take on Xandros;

OS Type: Linux
Based on: Debian
Origin: Canada
Architectu i586
Desktop: KDE
Category: Desktop, Beginners
Popularity: Not

This is a quote from a 2009 article by Jordan Smith, product marketing
manager at the time;

"We are kind of getting away from being a Linux company..."

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/06..._linux/?page=1

This in 2010;


"The lost world of the Xandros desktop"

http://www.itpro.co.uk/622528/the-lo...andros-desktop

"As of October 2013, Xandros’ URL is unresponsive and DistroWatch lists
Xandros as discontinued."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xandros


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On 06/19/2014 04:04 PM, Todd wrote:
On 06/19/2014 10:46 AM, Caver1 wrote:
When was the last time you tried
a Linux text editor?

Hi Caver1,

My favorite is "Leafpad". It allows you to save in
Linux format (CR) or Windows format (CR-LF). Very
handly.

Though myself "vi" 20 years ago. That is a nightmare
I never want to relive

Fedora is so easy to upgrade now-a-days it makes
me almost giggle. And you can swap an old system's
hard drive into an entirely different system and
it just boots back up.

-T

I heard that leafpad was good just haven't looked at it yet.
That's the way Linux is nowadays.


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I have been using Linux for years and never reinstalled an OS.

I have to recompile the Linux kernel and rebuild Xandros once again.
I don't think there have been Xandros updates in the past 6 years.
Nor can you just update either, it is too old and it doesn't work
that way. You must update all manually.

My Ubuntu machines needs to be reinstalled about every two years.

Why?

Because Linux updates does not update the kernel. So to do that, you
must manually compile and merge a newer kernel, or wipe everything out
and install a newer distro. And without an updated kernel, you are
forced with older apps. And that doesn't cut it with things like
browsers. As many web pages won't render correctly.


I get kernels every now and then. As far as the apps they also get
updated. You don't always get new versions through the repos but there
are other ways to get them. No need to reinstall.


I get them about once a week. You must have an abandoned
version


What the kernel upgrade? I doubt that. Other updates, yes. I'm using
Ubuntu 14.04 right now. The newest.
Setting up another computer that was given to me. Haven't decided what
to put on it yet.

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Is anyone in their right mind still using Wordstar?

How would you format plain text? Like something like this with
indent? "There are two ways of constructing a software design: One
way
is to make it so simple that there are obviously no
deficiencies, and the other way is to make it so complicated
that there are no obvious deficiencies. The first method is
far more difficult." - C.A.R. Hoare

Very easy to do with Vim and gedit. I imagine that other Linux text
editors have that capability now also. When was the last time you
tried a Linux text editor? When Wordstar usage was still popular?
Linux text editors have gone far past Wordstar's capabilities.

Last I heard is Vim and gedit doesn't even support the WordStar
diamond layout, which is still the most efficient method of typing
commands. It keeps your fingers right on the keyboard right were
they belong. Many programs back then copied the same. Microsoft was
in the act too. As some of their older software supported some of
them too.

Wordstar is past ages. Who cares about Wordstar. I haven't even seen a
Wordstar document in years so why would I care if I can't
import/export them?

Some of the best writers and programmers still use WordStar and the
WordStar List on Yahoo is still active. Not bad for a company who called
it quits in '94. Heck that was 20 years ago and it is still going. Linux
was just two years old then and it still hasn't gone that far.

Newer software developers just don't get it. As they use the more
inefficient methods to do things. And I never understood *nix fans.
As *nix always required tons of typing to do something so simple.
That is probably why *nix has always sat in a niche. As only people
who enjoy doing things the hard way would enjoy it.

Like I said earlier you're so out of date with Linux you just don't
know Linux anymore. You don't have to ever use the command line
anymore if you don't want to. Some of the distros have progressed
that far. this quote is from a recent Datamation article with link
below it.

"In the last fifteen years, the Linux desktop has gone from a
collection of marginally adequate solutions to an unparalleled source
of innovation and choice. Many of its standard features are either
unavailable in Windows, or else available only as a proprietary
extension. As a result, using Linux is increasingly not only a matter
of principle, but of preference as well."

http://www.datamation.com/open-sourc...p-needs-1.html

Man! What a load of crap! Can't run my PC games, can't run MS Office
2000, can't sync with my Palms, can't talk to my AverMedia TV tuners,
can't talk to my pen enabled machines, and my touch screen machines just
barely... Linux is so far behind it is never going to catch up. Even
Android is kicking its butt (that is pretty bad in itself). Even Vista
has twice the following of all of the Linux users in the world and Vista
is considered one of the worst Windows versions ever. If you can't beat
even the Vista following, it is just hopeless IMHO. So the quicker you
throw in the towel, the better. Who wants to be on a slow sinking ship?

I remember CP/M pretty well still and while pretty neat, it was much
more typing than using MS-DOS. And I remember Gary Kildall said that
any half-wit could use CP/M. While that is true, it was still a
billion dollar mistake. As I guess even half-wits like easier to use
too.

CP/M was developed in the early 1970s. MS-DOS didn't appear until the
early 1980's. So why compare them. CP/M was good for it's time but did
not progress so it died. MS-DOS was good for it's time but that is
well past.

CP/M continued until '85 and the last one was called CP/M 3.1 or aka
CP/M Plus. I was developing an office product for CP/M that I planned on
kicking Microsoft butt with! I had 80% of it done and then Gary Kildall
said CP/M is over. Man, two years of developing down the drain and only
about 6 months to go. At least Microsoft never had done that. No wonder
somebody beat him up in a bar and he later died. Somehow I think he got
off easy compared to all of the harm he had caused. If Bill Gates pulled
something like this, I don't think he would be on this Earth too much
longer either.

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Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Kingston 120GB SSD - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core Duo T2300 1.66GHz - 4GB - ATI X1400 - Windows XP SP2

On 06/19/2014 01:51 PM, Caver1 wrote:
On 06/19/2014 04:05 PM, Todd wrote:
On 06/19/2014 10:23 AM, Caver1 wrote:

I get kernels every now and then. As far as the apps they also get
updated. You don't always get new versions through the repos but there
are other ways to get them. No need to reinstall.


I get them about once a week. You must have an abandoned
version


What the kernel upgrade? I doubt that. Other updates, yes. I'm using
Ubuntu 14.04 right now. The newest.
Setting up another computer that was given to me. Haven't decided what
to put on it yet.


Hi Caver1,

By change do you mean the upgrade from 2.4 to 2.6?

What I mean is a new revision of the current kernel.
Looking at my /boot/grub/grub.conf, it keeps
some of the old ones for a while before it
ages them out.
2.6.32-431.17.1
2.6.32-431.11.2
2.6.32-431.5.1

Red Hat sends me out about one a week. They stay
on top of security issues, unlike ...

-T


# cat /boot/grub/grub.conf

# grub.conf generated by anaconda
#
# Note that you do not have to rerun grub after making changes to this file
# NOTICE: You have a /boot partition. This means that
# all kernel and initrd paths are relative to /boot/, eg.
# root (hd0,0)
# kernel /vmlinuz-version ro
root=/dev/mapper/luks-948a228f-13ec-462e-9e9e-fa9b4c4bd2e0
# initrd /initrd-[generic-]version.img
#boot=/dev/sda
#
# To Disable NOUVEAU driver: add this to the end of your
# kernel line in /boot/grub/grub.conf
# nouveau.modeset=0 rdblacklist=nouveau
#
default=0
timeout=5
splashimage=(hd0,0)/grub/splash.xpm.gz
hiddenmenu
title Scientific Linux (2.6.32-431.17.1.el6.x86_64)
root (hd0,0)
kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.32-431.17.1.el6.x86_64 ro
root=/dev/mapper/luks-948a228f-13ec-462e-9e9e-fa9b4c4bd2e0
rd_LUKS_UUID=luks-948a228f-13ec-462e-9e9e-fa9b4c4bd2e0
rd_LUKS_UUID=luks-857c8618-2461-4dfc-b5bb-69949a804c6d rd_NO_LVM
rd_NO_MD rd_NO_DM LANG=en_US.UTF-8 SYSFONT=latarcyrheb-sun16
KEYBOARDTYPE=pc KEYTABLE=us crashkernel=auto rhgb quiet
nouveau.modeset=0 rdblacklist=nouveau
initrd /initramfs-2.6.32-431.17.1.el6.x86_64.img
title Scientific Linux (2.6.32-431.11.2.el6.x86_64)
root (hd0,0)
kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.32-431.11.2.el6.x86_64 ro
root=/dev/mapper/luks-948a228f-13ec-462e-9e9e-fa9b4c4bd2e0
rd_LUKS_UUID=luks-948a228f-13ec-462e-9e9e-fa9b4c4bd2e0
rd_LUKS_UUID=luks-857c8618-2461-4dfc-b5bb-69949a804c6d rd_NO_LVM
rd_NO_MD rd_NO_DM LANG=en_US.UTF-8 SYSFONT=latarcyrheb-sun16
KEYBOARDTYPE=pc KEYTABLE=us crashkernel=auto rhgb quiet
nouveau.modeset=0 rdblacklist=nouveau
initrd /initramfs-2.6.32-431.11.2.el6.x86_64.img
title Scientific Linux (2.6.32-431.5.1.el6.x86_64)
root (hd0,0)
kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.32-431.5.1.el6.x86_64 ro
root=/dev/mapper/luks-948a228f-13ec-462e-9e9e-fa9b4c4bd2e0
rd_LUKS_UUID=luks-948a228f-13ec-462e-9e9e-fa9b4c4bd2e0
rd_LUKS_UUID=luks-857c8618-2461-4dfc-b5bb-69949a804c6d rd_NO_LVM
rd_NO_MD rd_NO_DM LANG=en_US.UTF-8 SYSFONT=latarcyrheb-sun16
KEYBOARDTYPE=pc KEYTABLE=us crashkernel=auto rhgb quiet
nouveau.modeset=0 rdblacklist=nouveau
initrd /initramfs-2.6.32-431.5.1.el6.x86_64.img

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I have been using Linux for years and never reinstalled an OS.

I have to recompile the Linux kernel and rebuild Xandros once
again. I don't think there have been Xandros updates in the
past 6 years. Nor can you just update either, it is too old
and it doesn't work that way. You must update all manually.

"The Xandros desktop edition gained flattering reviews for its slick
and tidy interface, but is now several years out of date and offers
little new for the experienced Linux user.
Most tellingly the applications repositories which are the meat and
drink of Debian-based Linux distributions are well behind the times.
Quote from;

http://www.itpro.co.uk/622528/the-lo...sktop/page/0/2

This was from when Xandros was still around. When did Xandros die?
2006? You think you still know Linux if that's where you stopped?

No, I like Xandros the best. It isn't free, you have to pay for it. I
continued with Ubuntu, Puppy, etc. I still like Xandros better
though. Xandros has two modes, easy and advanced. Easy mode reminds
me a lot like Windows 3.x Program Manager. Although it is more like
a tabbed Program Manager. It boots in half of the time of other
Linux distros. And it is very nice to bootup and do something really
quick. Advanced mode looks more like your typical Debian desktop and
you lost the quick bootup time.

So why didn't you upgrade then?

Upgrade to what?

So the boot time of Xandros is comparable to other Linux distros then
if you're using the advance mode in which you can actually do
something productive.

Did the same whether you used easy mode or advanced. Just the fancy
advanced mode desktop had taken twice the time to boot up. Okay there
was a few things you couldn't do under easy mode, but that isn't
important if you were not using it long and was focused on one
application for a short time.

As far as boot times I really don't have the experience with Xandos so
can't comment but I do know that a lot of Linux users are boasting
about their bootup times. Mine are better than my wife's new Windows
8.1 machine but I doubt that it would hold it's own compared to a new
Linux machine. I'm using an old Dell.

Yeah well I don't know if I could say that is better even sight unseen.
As my Windows machines can do tons more stuff than any Linux machine to
begin with. So fast booting, but little you can do doesn't count for a
lot. I can tell you that I converted a lot of my Windows machines to SSD
and they are about 5 times faster than those hard drives they used to
have. And I haven't seen any Linux on a hard drive beat Windows XP. 7,
or 8 on a SSD yet.

You might say that is unfair, comparing Windows on a SSD vs, Linux on a
hard drive. Yes, I suppose. But Linux does so little and Windows does so
much. It is easy to justify spending money on a SSD for Windows. Sure I
could do the same for Linux too, but what will it get me? Sure just
browsing, email, newsgroups, and weak on the multimedia department. But
that is about it. Heck an Android can do that too, so why do I
need Linux?

My Ubuntu machines needs to be reinstalled about every two
years.

Why?

Because Linux updates does not update the kernel. So to do that,
you must manually compile and merge a newer kernel, or wipe
everything out and install a newer distro. And without an updated
kernel, you are forced with older apps. And that doesn't cut it
with things like browsers. As many web pages won't render
correctly.

I get kernels every now and then. As far as the apps they also get
updated. You don't always get new versions through the repos but
there are other ways to get them. No need to reinstall.

I should have said updated kernels. Straight from the repositories.
I'm using 3.13.0.29 now and it was all automatic. I didn't have to
do anything except down load it and install it.

Nobody supports Xandros anymore that I know of. The only thing you
can do is grab the newer source code for the kernel and recompile
it. Unless somebody else already has done it, that is what you have
to do.

No you can't do it that way. The kernel for Xandros EeePC can only
use Thunderbird v1.5 or Firefox v2 and that is high as you can go
with that old kernel. Newer applications require a newer kernel or
they just won't run. That is the way Linux works. Most Windows
applications nowadays require XP SP2 or higher, so it is quite
different. Sure many of them say XP SP3 or later, but the majority
still works fine with XP SP2. Sometimes they even run fine under
Windows 2000 SP4 too.

Why can't you do it that way? You get new kernels all the time. In
fact that is the only time I have to reboot.

Yeah I could get the source code to newer Linux kernels without a
problem. Although I have to manually recompile it first before I can
use it.

That's because you're stuck with Xandos. It's a past distro.

It's a Linux distro. What some Linux suck? Is that what you are saying?

It's no difference in Windows than Linux. If you want to use an old
Os then you are stuck without upgrades. One difference tho is that
in Linux you can at least rebuild any of the code if you want to.
Try the new programs on 98 or Vista and see how well they work.

This XP SP2 kernel hasn't changed since 2006 and it still runs 100%
of what I want to run. Any Linux from 2006 is totally useless to me
since it can only run applications from 2006 and nothing newer. Not
true of XP SP2. I am still running the newest stuff with XP SP2.

This is Distrowatch's take on Xandros;

OS Type: Linux
Based on: Debian
Origin: Canada
Architectu i586
Desktop: KDE
Category: Desktop, Beginners
Popularity: Not

This is a quote from a 2009 article by Jordan Smith, product marketing
manager at the time;

"We are kind of getting away from being a Linux company..."

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/06..._linux/?page=1

This in 2010;

"The lost world of the Xandros desktop"

http://www.itpro.co.uk/622528/the-lo...andros-desktop

"As of October 2013, Xandros' URL is unresponsive and DistroWatch
lists Xandros as discontinued."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xandros

So you are saying that Linux sucks! With over 300+distros out there your
odds are you are going to get burned. And don't fall in love with any of
them, as they come and go like toilet paper. Well that is good to know.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Kingston 120GB SSD - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core Duo T2300 1.66GHz - 4GB - ATI X1400 - Windows XP SP2

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Is anyone in their right mind still using Wordstar?

How would you format plain text? Like something like this with
indent? "There are two ways of constructing a software design: One
way
is to make it so simple that there are obviously no
deficiencies, and the other way is to make it so complicated
that there are no obvious deficiencies. The first method is
far more difficult." - C.A.R. Hoare

Very easy to do with Vim and gedit. I imagine that other Linux text
editors have that capability now also. When was the last time you
tried a Linux text editor? When Wordstar usage was still popular?
Linux text editors have gone far past Wordstar's capabilities.

Last I heard is Vim and gedit doesn't even support the WordStar
diamond layout, which is still the most efficient method of typing
commands. It keeps your fingers right on the keyboard right were
they belong. Many programs back then copied the same. Microsoft was
in the act too. As some of their older software supported some of
them too.

Wordstar is past ages. Who cares about Wordstar. I haven't even seen a
Wordstar document in years so why would I care if I can't
import/export them?

Some of the best writers and programmers still use WordStar and the
WordStar List on Yahoo is still active. Not bad for a company who called
it quits in '94. Heck that was 20 years ago and it is still going. Linux
was just two years old then and it still hasn't gone that far.

Newer software developers just don't get it. As they use the more
inefficient methods to do things. And I never understood *nix fans.
As *nix always required tons of typing to do something so simple.
That is probably why *nix has always sat in a niche. As only people
who enjoy doing things the hard way would enjoy it.

Like I said earlier you're so out of date with Linux you just don't
know Linux anymore. You don't have to ever use the command line
anymore if you don't want to. Some of the distros have progressed
that far. this quote is from a recent Datamation article with link
below it.

"In the last fifteen years, the Linux desktop has gone from a
collection of marginally adequate solutions to an unparalleled source
of innovation and choice. Many of its standard features are either
unavailable in Windows, or else available only as a proprietary
extension. As a result, using Linux is increasingly not only a matter
of principle, but of preference as well."

http://www.datamation.com/open-sourc...p-needs-1.html

Man! What a load of crap! Can't run my PC games, can't run MS Office
2000, can't sync with my Palms, can't talk to my AverMedia TV tuners,
can't talk to my pen enabled machines, and my touch screen machines just
barely... Linux is so far behind it is never going to catch up. Even
Android is kicking its butt (that is pretty bad in itself). Even Vista
has twice the following of all of the Linux users in the world and Vista
is considered one of the worst Windows versions ever. If you can't beat
even the Vista following, it is just hopeless IMHO. So the quicker you
throw in the towel, the better. Who wants to be on a slow sinking ship?

Games are here now in Linux and more are coming all the time. The list
of commercial games is starting to get long. Who cares about MS Office.
MS Office 2003,2007,2010,2013 will run on Linux. Don't know about 2000
have you really tried it? Lately? The list of tv tuners that work with
Linux is longer than your arm span. So you can't say that Linux doesn't
have that capability. There are tv tuners that wont work wit different
versions of Windows. I think that your comment about the amount of Vista
users is a load of crap. Back it up.
As far as syncing with Palm I think you need to look here;
http://www.techrepublic.com/article/...-linux-via-kde
Even GPS works on Linux. In fact some of the Best GPS units run on Linux.
Linux owns the HPC market,in fact Linux more than owns it Linux
dominates it, the server market, and other commercial markets are
leaving Windows for Linux.
You need to look at the following;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_adoptersAs far as Linux

http://www.comparebusinessproducts.c...ght-not-expect
http://www.tecmint.com/big-companies...g-on-gnulinux/
http://www.linuxfederation.com/linux-everywhere/

These don't cover the scientific community or the movie industry among
others that use Linux.
Are you going to tell them that Linux doesn't work?

I remember CP/M pretty well still and while pretty neat, it was much
more typing than using MS-DOS. And I remember Gary Kildall said that
any half-wit could use CP/M. While that is true, it was still a
billion dollar mistake. As I guess even half-wits like easier to use
too.

CP/M was developed in the early 1970s. MS-DOS didn't appear until the
early 1980's. So why compare them. CP/M was good for it's time but did
not progress so it died. MS-DOS was good for it's time but that is
well past.

CP/M continued until '85 and the last one was called CP/M 3.1 or aka
CP/M Plus. I was developing an office product for CP/M that I planned on
kicking Microsoft butt with! I had 80% of it done and then Gary Kildall
said CP/M is over. Man, two years of developing down the drain and only
about 6 months to go. At least Microsoft never had done that. No wonder
somebody beat him up in a bar and he later died. Somehow I think he got
off easy compared to all of the harm he had caused. If Bill Gates pulled
something like this, I don't think he would be on this Earth too much
longer either.


AS I said they both reached their prime and are now past.

--
Caver1

On 06/19/2014 05:59 PM, Todd wrote:
On 06/19/2014 01:51 PM, Caver1 wrote:
On 06/19/2014 04:05 PM, Todd wrote:
On 06/19/2014 10:23 AM, Caver1 wrote:

I get kernels every now and then. As far as the apps they also get
updated. You don't always get new versions through the repos but there
are other ways to get them. No need to reinstall.


I get them about once a week. You must have an abandoned
version


What the kernel upgrade? I doubt that. Other updates, yes. I'm using
Ubuntu 14.04 right now. The newest.
Setting up another computer that was given to me. Haven't decided what
to put on it yet.


Hi Caver1,

By change do you mean the upgrade from 2.4 to 2.6?

What I mean is a new revision of the current kernel.
Looking at my /boot/grub/grub.conf, it keeps
some of the old ones for a while before it
ages them out.
2.6.32-431.17.1
2.6.32-431.11.2
2.6.32-431.5.1

Red Hat sends me out about one a week. They stay
on top of security issues, unlike ...

-T

Hello Todd,

The minor version changes for Ubuntu happen more often than than the
versions themselves, but they don't happen weekly. I really don't know
how often as I never kept track.


--
Caver1

On 06/19/2014 06:21 PM, BillW50 wrote:


No, I like Xandros the best. It isn't free, you have to pay for it. I
continued with Ubuntu, Puppy, etc. I still like Xandros better
though. Xandros has two modes, easy and advanced. Easy mode reminds
me a lot like Windows 3.x Program Manager. Although it is more like
a tabbed Program Manager. It boots in half of the time of other
Linux distros. And it is very nice to bootup and do something really
quick. Advanced mode looks more like your typical Debian desktop and
you lost the quick bootup time.

So why didn't you upgrade then?

Upgrade to what?

Since Xandros is still around commercially, Amazon sells it for around
$50, don't they update it? If so why haven't you updated to a newer
version. Amazon doesn't have many left so you better hurry.


So the boot time of Xandros is comparable to other Linux distros then
if you're using the advance mode in which you can actually do
something productive.

Did the same whether you used easy mode or advanced. Just the fancy
advanced mode desktop had taken twice the time to boot up. Okay there
was a few things you couldn't do under easy mode, but that isn't
important if you were not using it long and was focused on one
application for a short time.

I use my computer for long periods.


As far as boot times I really don't have the experience with Xandos so
can't comment but I do know that a lot of Linux users are boasting
about their bootup times. Mine are better than my wife's new Windows
8.1 machine but I doubt that it would hold it's own compared to a new
Linux machine. I'm using an old Dell.

Yeah well I don't know if I could say that is better even sight unseen.
As my Windows machines can do tons more stuff than any Linux machine to
begin with.

No they can't.

So fast booting, but little you can do doesn't count for a
lot. I can tell you that I converted a lot of my Windows machines to SSD
and they are about 5 times faster than those hard drives they used to
have. And I haven't seen any Linux on a hard drive beat Windows XP. 7,
or 8 on a SSD yet.

You haven't looked. Some of the faster boot time boasters were talking
about 4-5 second boot times with SSD hard drives. Can't back them up
just taking their word for it. There was quit a long thread about it in
one of the newsgroups.

You might say that is unfair, comparing Windows on a SSD vs, Linux on a
hard drive. Yes, I suppose. But Linux does so little and Windows does so
much. It is easy to justify spending money on a SSD for Windows. Sure I
could do the same for Linux too, but what will it get me? Sure just
browsing, email, newsgroups, and weak on the multimedia department. But
that is about it. Heck an Android can do that too, so why do I
need Linux?

Like I said before you don't know the current state of Linux. Prove to
me one thing that Windows can do that Linux can't.

My Ubuntu machines needs to be reinstalled about every two
years.

Why?

Because Linux updates does not update the kernel. So to do that,
you must manually compile and merge a newer kernel, or wipe
everything out and install a newer distro. And without an updated
kernel, you are forced with older apps. And that doesn't cut it
with things like browsers. As many web pages won't render
correctly.

I get kernels every now and then. As far as the apps they also get
updated. You don't always get new versions through the repos but
there are other ways to get them. No need to reinstall.

I should have said updated kernels. Straight from the repositories.
I'm using 3.13.0.29 now and it was all automatic. I didn't have to
do anything except down load it and install it.

Nobody supports Xandros anymore that I know of. The only thing you
can do is grab the newer source code for the kernel and recompile
it. Unless somebody else already has done it, that is what you have
to do.

No you can't do it that way. The kernel for Xandros EeePC can only
use Thunderbird v1.5 or Firefox v2 and that is high as you can go
with that old kernel. Newer applications require a newer kernel or
they just won't run. That is the way Linux works. Most Windows
applications nowadays require XP SP2 or higher, so it is quite
different. Sure many of them say XP SP3 or later, but the majority
still works fine with XP SP2. Sometimes they even run fine under
Windows 2000 SP4 too.

Why can't you do it that way? You get new kernels all the time. In
fact that is the only time I have to reboot.

Yeah I could get the source code to newer Linux kernels without a
problem. Although I have to manually recompile it first before I can
use it.

That's because you're stuck with Xandos. It's a past distro.

It's a Linux distro. What some Linux suck? Is that what you are saying?


There have been, and are, many Linux distros that aren't ar haven't gone
anywhere. That has nothing to do with how good or bad Linux is.
Windows has had it's flops, does that mean all of Windows is bad?

It's no difference in Windows than Linux. If you want to use an old
Os then you are stuck without upgrades. One difference tho is that
in Linux you can at least rebuild any of the code if you want to.
Try the new programs on 98 or Vista and see how well they work.

This XP SP2 kernel hasn't changed since 2006 and it still runs 100%
of what I want to run. Any Linux from 2006 is totally useless to me
since it can only run applications from 2006 and nothing newer. Not
true of XP SP2. I am still running the newest stuff with XP SP2.

XP cannot run all of the new stuff.

This is Distrowatch's take on Xandros;

OS Type: Linux
Based on: Debian
Origin: Canada
Architectu i586
Desktop: KDE
Category: Desktop, Beginners
Popularity: Not

This is a quote from a 2009 article by Jordan Smith, product marketing
manager at the time;

"We are kind of getting away from being a Linux company..."

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/06..._linux/?page=1

This in 2010;

"The lost world of the Xandros desktop"

http://www.itpro.co.uk/622528/the-lo...andros-desktop

"As of October 2013, Xandros' URL is unresponsive and DistroWatch
lists Xandros as discontinued."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xandros

So you are saying that Linux sucks! With over 300+distros out there your
odds are you are going to get burned. And don't fall in love with any of
them, as they come and go like toilet paper. Well that is good to know.


There are or were 2500 Linux distros and none of them ever burnt anyone.
Many of them are specific purpose distros. You wont get that in Windows.
How many people have created their own version of Windows? I'll tell
you, 0%. Having posted those links about Xandros only talks about
Xandros not Linux.

--
Caver1

On 06/19/2014 03:24 PM, Caver1 wrote:
Games are here now in Linux and more are coming all the time. The list
of commercial games is starting to get long. Who cares about MS Office.
MS Office 2003,2007,2010,2013 will run on Linux

Hi Caver1,

I have had good luck with Word and Excel under Wine. But,
I wish folks would go to Libre Office instead. They have fixed
every bug I have reported to them, except the envelope bugs.

My big Linux killer is Quick Books. No possible way that
will ever run under Wine. (QB is atrocious code.)

For those XP hold outs, I can make Xfce look at lot
like XP.

And there are some folks that can't learn anything new and
want to be exactly like everyone else.

-T

By the way, Gnu Cash won't do payroll or inventory.
For those that could use it, they don't want to learn
something new and good luck finding an accountant that
can work with it :'(

And these is always the turbo tax problem.

On 06/19/2014 03:49 PM, Caver1 wrote:
XP cannot run all of the new stuff.

Especially when M$ puts artificial blocks in software
to keep it from happening.

On 06/19/2014 03:27 PM, Caver1 wrote:
On 06/19/2014 05:59 PM, Todd wrote:
On 06/19/2014 01:51 PM, Caver1 wrote:
On 06/19/2014 04:05 PM, Todd wrote:
On 06/19/2014 10:23 AM, Caver1 wrote:

I get kernels every now and then. As far as the apps they also get
updated. You don't always get new versions through the repos but there
are other ways to get them. No need to reinstall.


I get them about once a week. You must have an abandoned
version


What the kernel upgrade? I doubt that. Other updates, yes. I'm using
Ubuntu 14.04 right now. The newest.
Setting up another computer that was given to me. Haven't decided what
to put on it yet.


Hi Caver1,

By change do you mean the upgrade from 2.4 to 2.6?

What I mean is a new revision of the current kernel.
Looking at my /boot/grub/grub.conf, it keeps
some of the old ones for a while before it
ages them out.
2.6.32-431.17.1
2.6.32-431.11.2
2.6.32-431.5.1

Red Hat sends me out about one a week. They stay
on top of security issues, unlike ...

-T

Hello Todd,

The minor version changes for Ubuntu happen more often than than the
versions themselves, but they don't happen weekly. I really don't know
how often as I never kept track.

Hi Caver1,

Red Hat is really on top of security issues. So, you are
constantly seeing kernel revisions. If you are in a high security
situation, you should consider switching to Red Hat. But, keep
in mind that Ubuntu is miles and miles and miles more secure than
any Windows version. M$ makes it easy for the bad guys.

-T

In ,
Todd typed:
Hi Caver1,

Red Hat is really on top of security issues. So, you are
constantly seeing kernel revisions. If you are in a high security
situation, you should consider switching to Red Hat. But, keep
in mind that Ubuntu is miles and miles and miles more secure than
any Windows version. M$ makes it easy for the bad guys.

Really? Care to post your IP address? That is all I need to gain root
access to your Linux machine. No seriously. I have your permission,
right? That makes everything legal you know. I am so surprised when
Linux users think their Linux is so secured when they are hacked so easy
and they never know it. Just one buffer overflow and you are in and they
will never know it. It is so simple. No wonder a rootkit was living on a
server and nobody caught it for 7 months. If it were on a Windows
server, it would have been dead in less than a second.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Kingston 120GB SSD - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core Duo T2300 1.66GHz - 4GB - ATI X1400 - Windows XP SP2

On 06/19/2014 07:34 PM, BillW50 wrote:
In ,
Todd typed:
Hi Caver1,

Red Hat is really on top of security issues. So, you are
constantly seeing kernel revisions. If you are in a high security
situation, you should consider switching to Red Hat. But, keep
in mind that Ubuntu is miles and miles and miles more secure than
any Windows version. M$ makes it easy for the bad guys.

Really? Care to post your IP address? That is all I need to gain root
access to your Linux machine. No seriously. I have your permission,
right? That makes everything legal you know. I am so surprised when
Linux users think their Linux is so secured when they are hacked so easy
and they never know it. Just one buffer overflow and you are in and they
will never know it. It is so simple. No wonder a rootkit was living on a
server and nobody caught it for 7 months. If it were on a Windows
server, it would have been dead in less than a second.


Right. Less than a second? That's why Linux servers are on so many
servers, and the number is growing all the time, is because they are are
so insecure. I'm afraid you need more than my IP address as all of my
ports are closed to incoming by default. That's why so many Linux
computers are hacked. They are so insecure.

--
Caver1

On 06/19/2014 04:34 PM, BillW50 wrote:
In ,
Todd typed:
Hi Caver1,

Red Hat is really on top of security issues. So, you are
constantly seeing kernel revisions. If you are in a high security
situation, you should consider switching to Red Hat. But, keep
in mind that Ubuntu is miles and miles and miles more secure than
any Windows version. M$ makes it easy for the bad guys.

Really? Care to post your IP address? That is all I need to gain root
access to your Linux machine. No seriously. I have your permission,
right? That makes everything legal you know. I am so surprised when
Linux users think their Linux is so secured when they are hacked so easy
and they never know it. Just one buffer overflow and you are in and they
will never know it. It is so simple. No wonder a rootkit was living on a
server and nobody caught it for 7 months. If it were on a Windows
server, it would have been dead in less than a second.


Hi Bill,

What in the world must they have doing? There is no
accounting for idiots.

Also, you never mentioned if the root kit was able to
manipulate non-windows file systems and programs. They
may have been safe after all.

The standard Fedora out of the box will stop you dead.
If you are in a security situation you should only be
using Red Hat anyway.

Also, I write firewalls for a living. Lots of luck
breaking in. I do test my work.

Look at it this way: to screw Linux up you actually have to
work at it; to screw Windows up, all you have to do is work
on it. So you are correct, you can screw up Linux. Takes
work though.

Here is some reading for you. This comes standard with
all Red Hat Linux distos:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security-Enhanced_Linux

The best File Integrity Monitoring software out there.
And one of the reason why if you are in a security situation
you should only be using Red Hat. They keep on top of
things really well.

-T