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Is there a way to stop W10 from resetting default applications?
On Sat, 1 Dec 2018 13:37:33 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake wrote:
Microsoft seems intent on tricking, if not outright forcing, people into using Edge whether they want to or not. You say that like it's a bad thing. |
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Is there a way to stop W10 from resetting default applications?
On Sun, 02 Dec 2018 01:00:11 GMT, Tim wrote:
T wrote in news On 12/1/18 7:35 AM, Ken Blake wrote: On Sat, 1 Dec 2018 13:37:33 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake wrote: On 2018-12-01, Andy Burns wrote: No, I've had occasions where Win10 announces that it has reset the PDF association to Edge, immediately after I tell Sumatra to be my default PDF reader. That's not my experience at all. They may be intent on it, but they certainly don't trick or force it. I never use it and I am never tricked or forced to use it. I see it setting Firefox, Thunderbird, PDF Readers, IrvanView, VLC back to the default. I have to go into App settings, Defaults and change them back. They do stay changed though. All of those programs you listed are replacements for programs Microsoft supplies as part of Windows. That is where the bug lies. Once you install your replacement programs, the registry entries are temporarily changed, but at next boot the changes are thrown away and all are set back to Windows' programs. As for as I know, as of yesterday, the bug has not been fixed, and there has been no forcast as to when it will. Nonsense. |
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Is there a way to stop W10 from resetting default applications?
On Sun, 2 Dec 2018 00:52:24 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake wrote:
Recently they started putting the Edge icon on the desktop to trick people into using it. (The typical user just sees the "E" icon.) This started happening even on PCs that had already been set up to eliminate Edge from the user's view. (Of course it's always on the quick-launch bar by default as well.) On several PCs when searching for Internet Explorer I've seen Edge come up instead. Then of course it's the default PDF reader. As others have reported, it is not uncommon for Edge to be set back as default for internet and PDFs after updates. This is true, but the desktop icon is clearly labelled 'Edge'. |
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Is there a way to stop W10 from resetting default applications?
mechanic wrote:
Roger Blake wrote: Microsoft seems intent on tricking, if not outright forcing, people into using Edge whether they want to or not. You say that like it's a bad thing. You say that like you expect to be taken seriously. |
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Is there a way to stop W10 from resetting default applications?
On Sun, 2 Dec 2018 00:52:24 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake
wrote: On 2018-12-01, Ken Blake wrote: That's not my experience at all. They may be intent on it, but they certainly don't trick or force it. I never use it and I am never tricked or forced to use it. Recently they started putting the Edge icon on the desktop to trick people into using it. (The typical user just sees the "E" icon.) This started happening even on PCs that had already been set up to eliminate Edge from the user's view. (Of course it's always on the quick-launch bar by default as well.) Yes, but that's far from forcing it, and if you want to call it trickery, hat's your choice, but to me if it's trickery, it's extremely mild trickery. It very easy to remove both those icons. On several PCs when searching for Internet Explorer I've seen Edge come up instead. I've never see that happen. Then of course it's the default PDF reader. Yes, but being the default is far from being forcing or tricking. I would always expect a Microsoft program to be default in any Microsoft operating system. Since it's so easy to change the defaults, I don't have any problem with this. As others have reported, it is not uncommon for Edge to be set back as default for internet and PDFs after updates. I've never see that happen. Most businesses do not want to be using Edge. Same with home users. Just a few minutes ago, I saw a statistic on the number of computers using Edge as their browser. It was about 4%--a very low number. It has been a challenge keeping it at bay, like an infectious bacillus. It's not been a challenge at all, as far as I'm concerned. It's been very easy. I think it's the worst of all browsers, so I never use it and I never see it. For that matter it's a challenge keeping most of the obnoxious crap in Windows 10 turned off for use in businesses. This stuff should be opt-in rather than having to keep finding ways to opt out. Your experience is very different from mine. I find it very easy. But despite that, I agree with your last sentence above; it should be opt-in. |
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Is there a way to stop W10 from resetting default applications?
On Sun, 2 Dec 2018 11:35:52 +0000, mechanic
wrote: On Sat, 1 Dec 2018 13:37:33 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake wrote: Microsoft seems intent on tricking, if not outright forcing, people into using Edge whether they want to or not. You say that like it's a bad thing. Even though I disagree with Roger that that's what they do, I agree with him that it's a bad thing. I think Edge is terrible. |
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Is there a way to stop W10 from resetting default applications?
On 12/1/2018 2:57 AM, VanguardLH wrote:
Your problem is with whatever is the software that you install that decided to steal association without notifying the user. The last time I ran into that was probably around 15-20 years ago with RealPlayer (which they later fixed after lots of complaints). You sure the offending program's installer has no custom setup choice where there user can decide what, if any, associations that program will acquire? Nope, the problem is with W10 thinking it knows better than me about what apps should be associated with the filetypes. And everytime there is a new upgrade, it resets the defaults again, an I have to go in and reset them all over again. Yousuf Khan |
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Is there a way to stop W10 from resetting default applications?
Yousuf Khan wrote:
On 12/1/2018 2:57 AM, VanguardLH wrote: Your problem is with whatever is the software that you install that decided to steal association without notifying the user. The last time I ran into that was probably around 15-20 years ago with RealPlayer (which they later fixed after lots of complaints). You sure the offending program's installer has no custom setup choice where there user can decide what, if any, associations that program will acquire? Nope, the problem is with W10 thinking it knows better than me about what apps should be associated with the filetypes. And everytime there is a new upgrade, it resets the defaults again, an I have to go in and reset them all over again. Yousuf Khan That's your problem with the Windows 10 update. That is NOT what T described. This is T's thread. |
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Is there a way to stop W10 from resetting default applications?
On Sun, 02 Dec 2018 08:38:17 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:
Even though I disagree with Roger that that's what they do, I agree with him that it's a bad thing. I think Edge is terrible. Why? |
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"mechanic" wrote
| Even though I disagree with Roger that that's what they do, I agree | with him that it's a bad thing. I think Edge is terrible. | | Why? I'm curious as to why you've become a 1-man marketing team for Edge. Do you perhaps have to use it for specific pages and don't want to have to switch around? You've repeatedly said it's "the Windows 10 browser" and defend its use. Yet it's actually used by a miniscule number of people, despite the trickery. (Which is not to defend Mozilla, Apple and Google. They all have their share of trickery, albeit Mozilla doesn't approach the sleaze of the other two.) And how can you defend the trickery? Are you so hot on Edge that you think people should be tricked and lied to in order to get them to use it? If so, that borders on religious zealotry -- converting people at any cost. Do you not remember that MS used such tricks in the 90s to own browsing and had to be forced to stop their tricks? ("Cutting off Netscape's air supply" by pretending that IE was actually a part of the OS.) They lost majority once people were actually presented with a choice. But Microsoft never stops. Monopoly maintenance is their primary business model. Software is only the medium they use to achieve it. Do you really believe that the market should be run on the basis of king-of-the-hill, where whoever gets to the top first can force you to use only their product? Why would you want to be under their foot? Because you respect their treachery? |
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Is there a way to stop W10 from resetting default applications?
Mayayana wrote:
I'm curious as to why you've become a 1-man marketing team for Edge https://9to5google.com/2018/12/03/microsoft-chrome-based-browser |
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Is there a way to stop W10 from resetting default applications?
On 11/30/18 8:17 PM, T wrote:
Hi All, When I install a program that takes over certain defaults, IranView or instance, W-Nein (W10) tells me tells me that an applications has taken over certain defaults and they are being changed back. Is there a way to tell W-Nien to bugger off and let the programs set the defaults if I ask them to?Â* (It annoys me to no end having to go into settings and reset them.) Many thanks, -T Followup: the answer is "no". Mumble, Mumble ... |
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Is there a way to stop W10 from resetting default applications?
On Mon, 3 Dec 2018 09:17:34 -0500, Mayayana wrote:
"mechanic" wrote | Even though I disagree with Roger that that's what they do, I agree | with him that it's a bad thing. I think Edge is terrible. | | Why? I'm curious as to why you've become a 1-man marketing team for Edge. Do you perhaps have to use it for specific pages and don't want to have to switch around? Relief is at hand mate: https://www.techradar.com/uk/news/mi...-based-browser |
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Is there a way to stop W10 from resetting default applications?
On Tue, 4 Dec 2018 08:27:53 +0000, Andy Burns wrote:
Mayayana wrote: I'm curious as to why you've become a 1-man marketing team for Edge https://9to5google.com/2018/12/03/microsoft-chrome-based-browser Stand by for a torrent of user posts bad-mouthing 'chrome' because of the link to Google. |
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Is there a way to stop W10 from resetting default applications?
On 2018-12-04 7:45 a.m., mechanic wrote:
On Tue, 4 Dec 2018 08:27:53 +0000, Andy Burns wrote: Mayayana wrote: I'm curious as to why you've become a 1-man marketing team for Edge https://9to5google.com/2018/12/03/microsoft-chrome-based-browser Stand by for a torrent of user posts bad-mouthing 'chrome' because of the link to Google. There is a difference between the Chrome browser and the underlying engine that the browser uses. If Microsoft were to use the very good engine, they could avoid integrating the "features" Google added allowing the corporation to spy on its users. -- SilverSlimer Minds: @silverslimer |
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