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Windows Live Mail reverts to 3 year old contact list?
On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 20:50:21 -0000, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Kristy Ogilvie wrote: On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 18:56:46 -0000, Frank Slootweg wrote: Kristy Ogilvie wrote: On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 14:52:35 -0000, Frank Slootweg wrote: Kristy Ogilvie wrote: [...] Thanks. How will she know if the one in C:\Users\your_friend\Contacts is a good one? (Windows) File Explorer will show the contents as a list of name-adrress combinations. For example for myself, it shows: Frank Slootweg Frank.Slootweg@... So it's easy to check whether the entry should be there and if so, is still correct. I don't have access to her machine just now and she's out, but on another forum I was told it's: C:/Users/{USERNAME}/AppData/Local/Microsoft/Windows Live/Contacts/ not C:\Users\your_friend\Contacts The confusion is in the difference between the *Windows* 'Contacts' folder and the 'Address book' *inside* Windows Live Mail. The former is accessible to *any* Windows program. The latter is *only* available to/within Windows Live Mail. Having an address_book/contacts_list/whatever within a program is rather stupid, but sadly that's how it is most of the time. For example a contact can have a street address. That's not very useful *in* a mail program, is it? But *outside* a mail program, i.e. as part of Windows, it can be very useful, for the user, for other programs, etc.. That's why on for example Android devices (smartphones/tablets) the 'Contacts' app/list is *seperate* from apps which might want to *use* those contacts, for example 'texting'/SMS app, phone (call) app, email app, instant messaging app, etc., etc.. However on Windows it's a mess and it's mostly each 'app' (program) for its own, i.e. the email program (WLM in this case) and instant messaging program (for example WhatsApp), each have their own non-shared contacts lists, which hence have to be maintained seperately. Looking on my own machine, only the 2nd one exists (and is empty), but I've never set up Live Mail. Your contacts list is probably *inside* Opera Mail. I.e. equally stupid as the one in WLM, the one in Thunderbird, the one in ..., ad infinitum. In Microsoft's defense, they *tried* to do the right thing with the 'Windows Address Book' (in earlier Windows versions) and the Windows 'Contacts' folder [1], but apparently could not convince/force programs to use those, not even their *own* WLM software. [1] I am not quite sure when the 'Windows Address Book' was replaced by the 'Contacts' folder, nor whether the 'Contacts' folder is still a standard part of recent/current Windows version. My Windows 8.1 system has a 'Contacts' folder, but that folder may have been copied/restored from my earlier Windows versions (XP and Vista). Actually I prefer having them seperate for each application. I only use ONE email program, and I'm sure pretty much everyone else does the same, so why have the files accessed by more than one? For - amongst others - the uses I mentioned: for example 'texting'/SMS app, phone (call) app, email app, instant messaging app, etc., etc.. These are partly phone-only/mainly, but also on Windows you can have instant messaging, (video/voice) calling, (route-)navigation, etc., etc.. On my (Windows) system, I have at least three programs, each with their own 'contacts' list, email (Thunderbird), instant messaging (WhatsApp) and video/voice calling (Skype). Rather stupid to have three seperate 'contacts' lists - with partly overlapping data -, which have to be *seperately* maintained, don't you think!? For example WhatsApp contacts and Skype contacts contain a (mobile) telephone number. Why would anyone want enter/update/delete that in/from *two* lists, instead of just one!? Anyway, either the (Android(/Apple(iOS))) one-contact-list method is the smart way *or* the seperate-contact-lists method is the smart way. Guess which of the two methods is used on billions and billions of devices!? But why on earth would I have the same contacts in my email program as my instant messenger? Even if I did, it's different info. The email program records their email address. The instant messenger needs their er... whatever you call their instant messaging ID. I might have John Smith in my email program, but he most likely doesn't use the same instant messenger as me, so there's absolutely zero point in having my instant messenger see his name in the contacts list. |
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Windows Live Mail reverts to 3 year old contact list?
Kristy Ogilvie wrote:
On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 20:50:21 -0000, Frank Slootweg wrote: Kristy Ogilvie wrote: On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 18:56:46 -0000, Frank Slootweg wrote: Kristy Ogilvie wrote: On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 14:52:35 -0000, Frank Slootweg wrote: Kristy Ogilvie wrote: [...] Thanks. How will she know if the one in C:\Users\your_friend\Contacts is a good one? (Windows) File Explorer will show the contents as a list of name-adrress combinations. For example for myself, it shows: Frank Slootweg Frank.Slootweg@... So it's easy to check whether the entry should be there and if so, is still correct. I don't have access to her machine just now and she's out, but on another forum I was told it's: C:/Users/{USERNAME}/AppData/Local/Microsoft/Windows Live/Contacts/ not C:\Users\your_friend\Contacts The confusion is in the difference between the *Windows* 'Contacts' folder and the 'Address book' *inside* Windows Live Mail. The former is accessible to *any* Windows program. The latter is *only* available to/within Windows Live Mail. Having an address_book/contacts_list/whatever within a program is rather stupid, but sadly that's how it is most of the time. For example a contact can have a street address. That's not very useful *in* a mail program, is it? But *outside* a mail program, i.e. as part of Windows, it can be very useful, for the user, for other programs, etc.. That's why on for example Android devices (smartphones/tablets) the 'Contacts' app/list is *seperate* from apps which might want to *use* those contacts, for example 'texting'/SMS app, phone (call) app, email app, instant messaging app, etc., etc.. However on Windows it's a mess and it's mostly each 'app' (program) for its own, i.e. the email program (WLM in this case) and instant messaging program (for example WhatsApp), each have their own non-shared contacts lists, which hence have to be maintained seperately. Looking on my own machine, only the 2nd one exists (and is empty), but I've never set up Live Mail. Your contacts list is probably *inside* Opera Mail. I.e. equally stupid as the one in WLM, the one in Thunderbird, the one in ..., ad infinitum. In Microsoft's defense, they *tried* to do the right thing with the 'Windows Address Book' (in earlier Windows versions) and the Windows 'Contacts' folder [1], but apparently could not convince/force programs to use those, not even their *own* WLM software. [1] I am not quite sure when the 'Windows Address Book' was replaced by the 'Contacts' folder, nor whether the 'Contacts' folder is still a standard part of recent/current Windows version. My Windows 8.1 system has a 'Contacts' folder, but that folder may have been copied/restored from my earlier Windows versions (XP and Vista). Actually I prefer having them seperate for each application. I only use ONE email program, and I'm sure pretty much everyone else does the same, so why have the files accessed by more than one? For - amongst others - the uses I mentioned: for example 'texting'/SMS app, phone (call) app, email app, instant messaging app, etc., etc.. These are partly phone-only/mainly, but also on Windows you can have instant messaging, (video/voice) calling, (route-)navigation, etc., etc.. On my (Windows) system, I have at least three programs, each with their own 'contacts' list, email (Thunderbird), instant messaging (WhatsApp) and video/voice calling (Skype). Rather stupid to have three seperate 'contacts' lists - with partly overlapping data -, which have to be *seperately* maintained, don't you think!? For example WhatsApp contacts and Skype contacts contain a (mobile) telephone number. Why would anyone want enter/update/delete that in/from *two* lists, instead of just one!? Anyway, either the (Android(/Apple(iOS))) one-contact-list method is the smart way *or* the seperate-contact-lists method is the smart way. Guess which of the two methods is used on billions and billions of devices!? But why on earth would I have the same contacts in my email program as my instant messenger? Even if I did, it's different info. The email program records their email address. The instant messenger needs their er... whatever you call their instant messaging ID. I might have John Smith in my email program, but he most likely doesn't use the same instant messenger as me, so there's absolutely zero point in having my instant messenger see his name in the contacts list. Well, for once 'John Smith' has only one name, hasn't he? So why enter/delete it multiple times? And does 'John Smith' have a different nickname, birthday, street/city/country address, postcode, webpage, work address, title, photo, fax number, etc., etc., ... ad infinitum, in your email program than in your IM program? Where do you keep *that* information, if not in an program-independent general contacts list? And as to 'he most likely doesn't use the same instant messenger as me': A modern contact list can accomodate multiple different IM methods. So 'John Smith' can have WhatsApp and 'Joanne Smith' can have iMessage. Etc., etc.. Have a look at Opera Mail's 'contact' list. It probably can store many more properties than just name and email address. Guess why? Anyway: You probably have a *physical* 'address book', don't you!? How many physical address books do you have? My guess is just one. Why is that? Bottom line: Don't just look at what makes most sense for you, but what's likely to make most sense to billions and billions of others who *do* have contacts with different properties than just name and email address. And have a look at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VCard Most programs which use/contain 'contacts' can import and export vCard files. I assume Opera Mail can as well. (For this - off-topic - part) EOD. |
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Windows Live Mail reverts to 3 year old contact list?
On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 22:29:13 -0000, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Kristy Ogilvie wrote: On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 20:50:21 -0000, Frank Slootweg wrote: Kristy Ogilvie wrote: On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 18:56:46 -0000, Frank Slootweg wrote: Kristy Ogilvie wrote: On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 14:52:35 -0000, Frank Slootweg wrote: Kristy Ogilvie wrote: [...] Thanks. How will she know if the one in C:\Users\your_friend\Contacts is a good one? (Windows) File Explorer will show the contents as a list of name-adrress combinations. For example for myself, it shows: Frank Slootweg Frank.Slootweg@... So it's easy to check whether the entry should be there and if so, is still correct. I don't have access to her machine just now and she's out, but on another forum I was told it's: C:/Users/{USERNAME}/AppData/Local/Microsoft/Windows Live/Contacts/ not C:\Users\your_friend\Contacts The confusion is in the difference between the *Windows* 'Contacts' folder and the 'Address book' *inside* Windows Live Mail. The former is accessible to *any* Windows program. The latter is *only* available to/within Windows Live Mail. Having an address_book/contacts_list/whatever within a program is rather stupid, but sadly that's how it is most of the time. For example a contact can have a street address. That's not very useful *in* a mail program, is it? But *outside* a mail program, i.e. as part of Windows, it can be very useful, for the user, for other programs, etc.. That's why on for example Android devices (smartphones/tablets) the 'Contacts' app/list is *seperate* from apps which might want to *use* those contacts, for example 'texting'/SMS app, phone (call) app, email app, instant messaging app, etc., etc.. However on Windows it's a mess and it's mostly each 'app' (program) for its own, i.e. the email program (WLM in this case) and instant messaging program (for example WhatsApp), each have their own non-shared contacts lists, which hence have to be maintained seperately. Looking on my own machine, only the 2nd one exists (and is empty), but I've never set up Live Mail. Your contacts list is probably *inside* Opera Mail. I.e. equally stupid as the one in WLM, the one in Thunderbird, the one in ..., ad infinitum. In Microsoft's defense, they *tried* to do the right thing with the 'Windows Address Book' (in earlier Windows versions) and the Windows 'Contacts' folder [1], but apparently could not convince/force programs to use those, not even their *own* WLM software. [1] I am not quite sure when the 'Windows Address Book' was replaced by the 'Contacts' folder, nor whether the 'Contacts' folder is still a standard part of recent/current Windows version. My Windows 8.1 system has a 'Contacts' folder, but that folder may have been copied/restored from my earlier Windows versions (XP and Vista). Actually I prefer having them seperate for each application. I only use ONE email program, and I'm sure pretty much everyone else does the same, so why have the files accessed by more than one? For - amongst others - the uses I mentioned: for example 'texting'/SMS app, phone (call) app, email app, instant messaging app, etc., etc.. These are partly phone-only/mainly, but also on Windows you can have instant messaging, (video/voice) calling, (route-)navigation, etc., etc.. On my (Windows) system, I have at least three programs, each with their own 'contacts' list, email (Thunderbird), instant messaging (WhatsApp) and video/voice calling (Skype). Rather stupid to have three seperate 'contacts' lists - with partly overlapping data -, which have to be *seperately* maintained, don't you think!? For example WhatsApp contacts and Skype contacts contain a (mobile) telephone number. Why would anyone want enter/update/delete that in/from *two* lists, instead of just one!? Anyway, either the (Android(/Apple(iOS))) one-contact-list method is the smart way *or* the seperate-contact-lists method is the smart way. Guess which of the two methods is used on billions and billions of devices!? But why on earth would I have the same contacts in my email program as my instant messenger? Even if I did, it's different info. The email program records their email address. The instant messenger needs their er... whatever you call their instant messaging ID. I might have John Smith in my email program, but he most likely doesn't use the same instant messenger as me, so there's absolutely zero point in having my instant messenger see his name in the contacts list. Well, for once 'John Smith' has only one name, hasn't he? So why enter/delete it multiple times? And does 'John Smith' have a different nickname, birthday, street/city/country address, postcode, webpage, work address, title, photo, fax number, etc., etc., ... ad infinitum, in your email program than in your IM program? I rarely store more than name and email address. And that's done automatically when I send him an email. I can't remember the last time I manually put anything into a contacts list. Where do you keep *that* information, if not in an program-independent general contacts list? And as to 'he most likely doesn't use the same instant messenger as me': A modern contact list can accomodate multiple different IM methods. So 'John Smith' can have WhatsApp and 'Joanne Smith' can have iMessage. Etc., etc.. But they need different addresses. If I use messenger A, and he uses messenger B, I can't contact him can I? Have a look at Opera Mail's 'contact' list. It probably can store many more properties than just name and email address. Guess why? For the very rare occasion I need to remember someone's postal address. I think I've got it for one person, all the others I can remember anyway. Anyway: You probably have a *physical* 'address book', don't you!? How many physical address books do you have? My guess is just one. Why is that? Because those aren't used for wildly different purposes like on a computer. Instant messaging, posting, emailing, phoning, all have different details. If I enter John Smith 03562 467573 into a phone book, that is of no use to my email program. Bottom line: Don't just look at what makes most sense for you, but what's likely to make most sense to billions and billions of others who *do* have contacts with different properties than just name and email address. And have a look at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VCard Most programs which use/contain 'contacts' can import and export vCard files. I assume Opera Mail can as well. I think I've seen one person in my entire life use a Vcard. (For this - off-topic - part) EOD. Saying that after you post a huge reply which I've now taken the time to read and reply to is EXTREMELY childish. |
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Windows Live Mail reverts to 3 year old contact list?
In article , Kristy Ogilvie
wrote: Anyway, either the (Android(/Apple(iOS))) one-contact-list method is the smart way *or* the seperate-contact-lists method is the smart way. Guess which of the two methods is used on billions and billions of devices!? But why on earth would I have the same contacts in my email program as my instant messenger? Even if I did, it's different info. The email program records their email address. The instant messenger needs their er... whatever you call their instant messaging ID. so that there's one database to manage, which various apps can access and pull the relevant information. |
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Windows Live Mail reverts to 3 year old contact list?
In article , Christopher McVitie
wrote: Anyway: You probably have a *physical* 'address book', don't you!? How many physical address books do you have? My guess is just one. Why is that? Because those aren't used for wildly different purposes like on a computer. they used to be. now it's all done on computer. Instant messaging, posting, emailing, phoning, all have different details. so what? it's *much* easier if it's in a single database. If I enter John Smith 03562 467573 into a phone book, that is of no use to my email program. the email program would look at the email address and ignore the other bits. |
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Windows Live Mail reverts to 3 year old contact list?
On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 23:51:38 -0000, nospam wrote:
In article , Kristy Ogilvie wrote: Anyway, either the (Android(/Apple(iOS))) one-contact-list method is the smart way *or* the seperate-contact-lists method is the smart way. Guess which of the two methods is used on billions and billions of devices!? But why on earth would I have the same contacts in my email program as my instant messenger? Even if I did, it's different info. The email program records their email address. The instant messenger needs their er... whatever you call their instant messaging ID. so that there's one database to manage, which various apps can access and pull the relevant information. Only useful if you use several programs that use the same information. I tend to use one for each task, and assume almost everyone does the same. |
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Windows Live Mail reverts to 3 year old contact list?
On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 23:51:39 -0000, nospam wrote:
In article , Christopher McVitie wrote: Anyway: You probably have a *physical* 'address book', don't you!? How many physical address books do you have? My guess is just one. Why is that? Because those aren't used for wildly different purposes like on a computer. they used to be. now it's all done on computer. Instant messaging, posting, emailing, phoning, all have different details. so what? it's *much* easier if it's in a single database. No it isn't. I might put person A into one database, because I email them. Person 2 goes into a different database because I phone them. No point in having either of those people accessible by the other program. If I enter John Smith 03562 467573 into a phone book, that is of no use to my email program. the email program would look at the email address and ignore the other bits. No advantage to doing that over having the person in both databases, with the phone number in one and the email address in the other. |
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Windows Live Mail reverts to 3 year old contact list?
In article , Christopher McVitie
wrote: Anyway, either the (Android(/Apple(iOS))) one-contact-list method is the smart way *or* the seperate-contact-lists method is the smart way. Guess which of the two methods is used on billions and billions of devices!? But why on earth would I have the same contacts in my email program as my instant messenger? Even if I did, it's different info. The email program records their email address. The instant messenger needs their er... whatever you call their instant messaging ID. so that there's one database to manage, which various apps can access and pull the relevant information. Only useful if you use several programs that use the same information. I tend to use one for each task, and assume almost everyone does the same. you assume wrong. |
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Windows Live Mail reverts to 3 year old contact list?
Christopher McVitie wrote:
On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 22:29:13 -0000, Frank Slootweg wrote: [...] (For this - off-topic - part) EOD. Saying that after you post a huge reply which I've now taken the time to read and reply to is EXTREMELY childish. Says the one who changed name, gender and country! Troll much!? Apparently you *do* need a single contact list / address book, if only for some consistency in who *you* are. Anyway, I've wasted enough time on this (non-)discussion about whether a single contact list is or isn't a smart thing. You're clearly unwilling to look outside the/your box and all this does not help one bit solving your friend's problem. Others have advised to install TeamViewer. I advise to also install WLM on your computer, so you know what you're dealing with. |
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Windows Live Mail reverts to 3 year old contact list?
On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 12:12:57 -0000, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Christopher McVitie wrote: On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 22:29:13 -0000, Frank Slootweg wrote: [...] (For this - off-topic - part) EOD. Saying that after you post a huge reply which I've now taken the time to read and reply to is EXTREMELY childish. Says the one who changed name, gender and country! Troll much!? I never changed gender and my country is not stated. And I change BECAUSE of people like you being childish. Apparently you *do* need a single contact list / address book, if only for some consistency in who *you* are. I see no reason to have multiple methods of contact for one person. I know lots of people who I only email, lots who I only phone etc. Plus my phone is clearly not using the same address file as my desktop! Anyway, I've wasted enough time on this (non-)discussion about whether a single contact list is or isn't a smart thing. You're clearly unwilling to look outside the/your box and all this does not help one bit solving your friend's problem. I've told you why you're wrong and you won't listen. And it would seem Microsoft agrees with me. You lose. Others have advised to install TeamViewer. I advise to also install WLM on your computer, so you know what you're dealing with. Too much hassle to install WLM myself, she claims Live Mail is "unsupported" and she will soon go to Outlook anyway. I told her to avoid Microsoft rubbish as they can't make decent mail programs, but she seems to like them. I find them unintuitive and unreliable. |
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Windows Live Mail reverts to 3 year old contact list?
On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 01:34:25 -0000, nospam wrote:
In article , Christopher McVitie wrote: Anyway, either the (Android(/Apple(iOS))) one-contact-list method is the smart way *or* the seperate-contact-lists method is the smart way. Guess which of the two methods is used on billions and billions of devices!? But why on earth would I have the same contacts in my email program as my instant messenger? Even if I did, it's different info. The email program records their email address. The instant messenger needs their er... whatever you call their instant messaging ID. so that there's one database to manage, which various apps can access and pull the relevant information. Only useful if you use several programs that use the same information. I tend to use one for each task, and assume almost everyone does the same. you assume wrong. Why on earth would you have more than one email program? |
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Windows Live Mail reverts to 3 year old contact list?
In article , Liam Roberts
wrote: Anyway, either the (Android(/Apple(iOS))) one-contact-list method is the smart way *or* the seperate-contact-lists method is the smart way. Guess which of the two methods is used on billions and billions of devices!? But why on earth would I have the same contacts in my email program as my instant messenger? Even if I did, it's different info. The email program records their email address. The instant messenger needs their er... whatever you call their instant messaging ID. so that there's one database to manage, which various apps can access and pull the relevant information. Only useful if you use several programs that use the same information. I tend to use one for each task, and assume almost everyone does the same. you assume wrong. Why on earth would you have more than one email program? missing the point entirely. |
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Windows Live Mail reverts to 3 year old contact list?
On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 15:28:30 -0000, nospam wrote:
In article , Liam Roberts wrote: Anyway, either the (Android(/Apple(iOS))) one-contact-list method is the smart way *or* the seperate-contact-lists method is the smart way. Guess which of the two methods is used on billions and billions of devices!? But why on earth would I have the same contacts in my email program as my instant messenger? Even if I did, it's different info. The email program records their email address. The instant messenger needs their er... whatever you call their instant messaging ID. so that there's one database to manage, which various apps can access and pull the relevant information. Only useful if you use several programs that use the same information. I tend to use one for each task, and assume almost everyone does the same. you assume wrong. Why on earth would you have more than one email program? missing the point entirely. Then say what your point is. A sane person picks their favourite email program and sticks to it. |
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Windows Live Mail reverts to 3 year old contact list?
In article , William Gothberg
wrote: Anyway, either the (Android(/Apple(iOS))) one-contact-list the smart way *or* the seperate-contact-lists method is the smart way. Guess which of the two methods is used on billions and billions of devices!? But why on earth would I have the same contacts in my email program as my instant messenger? Even if I did, it's different info. The email program records their email address. The instant messenger needs their er... whatever you call their instant messaging ID. so that there's one database to manage, which various apps can access and pull the relevant information. Only useful if you use several programs that use the same information. I tend to use one for each task, and assume almost everyone does the same. you assume wrong. Why on earth would you have more than one email program? missing the point entirely. Then say what your point is. A sane person picks their favourite email program and sticks to it. it was already stated. |
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Windows Live Mail reverts to 3 year old contact list?
Liam Roberts wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 12:12:57 -0000, Frank Slootweg wrote: Christopher McVitie wrote: On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 22:29:13 -0000, Frank Slootweg wrote: [...] (For this - off-topic - part) EOD. Saying that after you post a huge reply which I've now taken the time to read and reply to is EXTREMELY childish. Says the one who changed name, gender and country! Troll much!? I never changed gender and my country is not stated. Ah, I see! Not only a troll, but a stupid one at that! And using a troll server and being lazy and using a broken/misconfigured newsreader. Need I go on!? [More ********/cluelessness deleted.] |
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