Still No Good Reason ...

What's the "free digital entitlement" ? Is that just getting 10 ? Not
worth the trouble etc IMHO. Some time in the future, I could just pay
if I had to.

On 28 Jul 2016, Mandy Liefbowitz
wrote in alt.comp.os.windows-10:

Canned air and a hand-held vacuum cleaner?

Been there done that! It helped a little, but I know there are some
big clumps of dust that won't come out through the vents and
probably more gunk crusted onto the fan blades. It really needs
physical scrubbing. Unfortunately, the fan is just about the deepest
internal component in the machine. You have to remove the display,
keyboard, trim drives, RAM, motherboard, ribbon cables, dozens of
screws, just about everything in order to get to the fan. VERY BAD
DESIGN DECISION! Every laptop will accumulate dust, and heat will
kill them all eventually if not dealt with. They should make this
kind of cleaning user friendly.

This video is of a different model, but is just as much of a major
project. It takes as 38-minute video to cover the subject:

https://youtu.be/fh9kY0yKCh4

I know water and electrics are not recommended bed-mates,
especially when one of them is live, but chloroform or some other
organic solvent may be fun to try. Yes, I know what plastics are
made from. That's where most of the fun comes from.

Not really my idea of fun!

On 07/28/2016 09:21 AM, Mayayana wrote:
| ... to "upgrade" from 7 to 10.
| Seems to be some good reasons not to.
| Am I missing something ?
|

How about fun? Look at the current crop of posts
here. People are having great fun looking for tricks
and tweaks to cheat MS out of their datamining and
to make Windows 10 behave with some modicum of
usability. It's like being back in high school and
trying to come up with a plan to sneak a cigarette
between classes. Wouldn't you love to be a kid
again?


I did it for the challenge. "could I make it do what I want?, and how
different is it from 8.1?"

Same thing I did for Linux (don't flame me, I use win & Linux, and I'm
not pushy). "Could I get Linux to do the windows things?"

| I did it for the challenge. "could I make it do what I want?, and how
| different is it from 8.1?"
|
I can appreciate that. I guess I no longer find
the challenge so interesting due to diminished
returns. Up through XP, extra tweaking efforts pay off
in the ability to mold the system to what one wants.
With Win7, after a couple of weeks getting familiar
with it, I decided that it was salvageable but not
entirely moldable. I still don't use it much, but I will if
I have to. But there's just too much restriction
and bloat. With Win10 I'm not even going to try.
As it gets further locked down the tweaking options
are just disappearing. It seems not only impossible
to stop the spyware. It's actually in the license now
that one must allow it. That's over the line for me.

On 7/28/2016 10:51 AM, Nil wrote:
On 28 Jul 2016, Char Jackson wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

Exactly! Reminds me of Jeff Liebermann's site, Learn by Destroying.

This used to be an HP dv-5 laptop :-)
http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/rep...0dv5-1200.html

http://www.learnbydestroying.com

I have an HP laptop that desperately needs to have its fan cleaned, as
it overheats dangerously. However, I've read what it takes to get at
the fan, which is to completely dismantle the thing. I just know I'll
wind up with a pile of parts like in the picture that I won't be able
to put back together. At this rate the thing will burn itself out
before summon the guts to fix it.

Stick a toothpick in the fan so it can't turn and blow compressed air
into the outlet.

On 2016-07-28, Char Jackson wrote:
Do you expect to have the same hardware in 2020 that you have now?

Many will, that's only 3.5 years from now. It's not unusual to find
home users and small businesses keeping PCs for 7 or 8 years, sometimes
even more.

I just recently replaced my own 2009-vintage system and will probably
keep the new one for a similar length of time. (That older PC still
works fine and has been relegated to secondary uses.)

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On Thu, 28 Jul 2016 18:01:53 -0400, Nil wrote:

On 28 Jul 2016, Mandy Liefbowitz wrote
in alt.comp.os.windows-10:

Canned air and a hand-held vacuum cleaner?

Been there done that! It helped a little, but I know there are some big
clumps of dust that won't come out through the vents and probably more
gunk crusted onto the fan blades. It really needs physical scrubbing.
Unfortunately, the fan is just about the deepest internal component in
the machine. You have to remove the display, keyboard, trim drives, RAM,
motherboard, ribbon cables, dozens of screws, just about everything in
order to get to the fan. VERY BAD DESIGN DECISION! Every laptop will
accumulate dust, and heat will kill them all eventually if not dealt
with. They should make this kind of cleaning user friendly.

This video is of a different model, but is just as much of a major
project. It takes as 38-minute video to cover the subject:

https://youtu.be/fh9kY0yKCh4

I know water and electrics are not recommended bed-mates, especially
when one of them is live, but chloroform or some other organic solvent
may be fun to try. Yes, I know what plastics are made from. That's
where most of the fun comes from.

Not really my idea of fun!

I had a couple bring in their "uneconomic to repair" laptop, a Toshiba
afaicr, to sell to me on account they'd been advised that the stalled fan
was due to a MoBo fault.

After a brief test, I could see that it would boot ok (probably winXP -
it was a few years ago now) and that the fan wasn't spinning up. Since I
had my suspicions over the previous PC repairer's 'diagnostics result', I
took a chance and bought it for 'scrap value' (twenty quid afair - I had
it in mind that at the worst, I could simply wire the fan direct to a 5
or 12v supply to bypass the MoBo's thermostatic controller).

As it happened, application of a cocktail stick[1] into the exhaust
vents along with the application of vacuum to the inlet slots un-wedged
the dust bunnies which had jammed up the fan blades, plus the use of a
small clothes pin into the inlet vent slots to tease at the dust bunnies
so I could get enough grip to drag them out past the vent slots, was all
it took to restore normal service once more.

Obviously, the previous repairer had tried to big up the repair bill
much (I sincerely hope) to their cost and I simply reaped the benefit
which was a modest twenty quid when I sold it a few weeks later for the
princely sum of forty quid (I'm not a greedy man - just opportunistic).

[1] It may have been an oversized straightened out paper clip rather than
a cocktail stick but you get the idea.

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On Thu, 28 Jul 2016 18:05:13 -0400, Big Al wrote:

On 07/28/2016 09:21 AM, Mayayana wrote:
| ... to "upgrade" from 7 to 10.
| Seems to be some good reasons not to.
| Am I missing something ?
|

How about fun? Look at the current crop of posts
here. People are having great fun looking for tricks and tweaks to
cheat MS out of their datamining and to make Windows 10 behave with
some modicum of usability. It's like being back in high school and
trying to come up with a plan to sneak a cigarette between classes.
Wouldn't you love to be a kid again?


I did it for the challenge. "could I make it do what I want?, and how
different is it from 8.1?"

Same thing I did for Linux (don't flame me, I use win & Linux, and I'm
not pushy). "Could I get Linux to do the windows things?"

Well? Don't leave us hanging. Where you able to? :-)

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On 29/07/16 02:23, SteveGG wrote:

What's the "free digital entitlement"?

The free Windows 10 upgrade is just a digital entitlement, NOT a license
you got when you buy Windows 10 the usual way.

Is that just getting 10 ?

I don't predict.

Not
worth the trouble etc IMHO. Some time
in the future, I could just pay
if I had to.

If you have money, don't worry!

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If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Not good and careful enough!

If it ain't broke, don't **TOUCH** it!

Why not? You have to have a little excitement in your life.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Replace "fix" with "touch" and you will be a lot more comfortable!

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On Thu, 28 Jul 2016 23:32:53 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake wrote:

On 2016-07-28, Char Jackson wrote:
Do you expect to have the same hardware in 2020 that you have
now?

Many will, that's only 3.5 years from now. It's not unusual to
find home users and small businesses keeping PCs for 7 or 8
years, sometimes even more.

Yes, thanks to decades of Moore's Law we generally have more
hardware performance than we will ever need, it's the software that
keeps updating and will eventually make current hardware unusable.
If you can get by with Office 97 and early versions of Thunderbird
and Firefox you can stretch out the lifetime of such home user and
small business systems indefinitely. Of course the salesmen will
trot out the usual 'update to stay secure' mantra to try and
persuade you to change, but resist!

On Thu, 28 Jul 2016 13:37:02 +0100, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:

On Wed, 27 Jul 2016 16:45:13 -0400, SteveGG
wrote:

... to "upgrade" from 7 to 10.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

On the other hand "if everything seems under control you're just not
going fast enough".

(supposed to be from Mario Andretti)