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Windows Update for KB3020370
An optional Windows 7 update was "published" yesterday for KB3020370. I
find Microsoft's "More Information" description of this update even more obscure than usual. Does anyone know what this update is really about? Is it for for the benefit of users or for the benefit of Microsoft? -- David E. Ross Why do we tolerate political leaders who spend more time belittling hungry children than they do trying to fix the problem of hunger? http://mazon.org/ |
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Windows Update for KB3020370
"David E. Ross" wrote in message
... An optional Windows 7 update was "published" yesterday for KB3020370. I find Microsoft's "More Information" description of this update even more obscure than usual. Does anyone know what this update is really about? Is it for for the benefit of users or for the benefit of Microsoft? https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3020370 -- ~Bruce |
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Windows Update for KB3020370
David E. Ross wrote:
An optional Windows 7 update was "published" yesterday for KB3020370. I find Microsoft's "More Information" description of this update even more obscure than usual. Does anyone know what this update is really about? Is it for for the benefit of users or for the benefit of Microsoft? Since its Trusted Info (Security and Window Update) related the answer is both. -- ...winston msft mvp consumer apps |
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Windows Update for KB3020370
On 4/22/2015 11:20 AM, Bruce Hagen wrote:
"David E. Ross" wrote in message ... An optional Windows 7 update was "published" yesterday for KB3020370. I find Microsoft's "More Information" description of this update even more obscure than usual. Does anyone know what this update is really about? Is it for for the benefit of users or for the benefit of Microsoft? https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3020370 At that Web page, "Issue that is fixed in this update" only mentions Windows Server 2008 R2 Service Pack 1, not Windows 7. However, Windows 7 is cited elsewhere on that page. It is still not clear to me why this update has been provided by Microsoft. -- David E. Ross Why do we tolerate political leaders who spend more time belittling hungry children than they do trying to fix the problem of hunger? http://mazon.org/ |
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Windows Update for KB3020370
On 4/22/2015 11:29 AM, . . .winston wrote:
David E. Ross wrote: An optional Windows 7 update was "published" yesterday for KB3020370. I find Microsoft's "More Information" description of this update even more obscure than usual. Does anyone know what this update is really about? Is it for for the benefit of users or for the benefit of Microsoft? Since its Trusted Info (Security and Window Update) related the answer is both. It is still not clear to me why this update has been provided by Microsoft. By the way, I am NOT a naive computer user; before I retired, I had a 30+ year career as a software test engineer working on very large software systems used by the US military for operating earth-orbiting space satellites. I would hope to see some non-obscure description of why I should install this update, a description beyond "Trust us; it's safe." -- David E. Ross Why do we tolerate political leaders who spend more time belittling hungry children than they do trying to fix the problem of hunger? http://mazon.org/ |
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Windows Update for KB3020370
"David E. Ross" wrote in message ...
On 4/22/2015 11:29 AM, . . .winston wrote: David E. Ross wrote: An optional Windows 7 update was "published" yesterday for KB3020370. I find Microsoft's "More Information" description of this update even more obscure than usual. Does anyone know what this update is really about? Is it for for the benefit of users or for the benefit of Microsoft? Since its Trusted Info (Security and Window Update) related the answer is both. It is still not clear to me why this update has been provided by Microsoft. By the way, I am NOT a naive computer user; before I retired, I had a 30+ year career as a software test engineer working on very large software systems used by the US military for operating earth-orbiting space satellites. I would hope to see some non-obscure description of why I should install this update, a description beyond "Trust us; it's safe." I agree. I did not install it yet for the reasons you expounded upon. Why do it??? -- Buffalo |
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Windows Update for KB3020370
On Wed, 22 Apr 2015 13:38:07 -0600, "Buffalo"
wrote: "David E. Ross" wrote in message ... On 4/22/2015 11:29 AM, . . .winston wrote: David E. Ross wrote: An optional Windows 7 update was "published" yesterday for KB3020370. I find Microsoft's "More Information" description of this update even more obscure than usual. Does anyone know what this update is really about? Is it for for the benefit of users or for the benefit of Microsoft? Since its Trusted Info (Security and Window Update) related the answer is both. It is still not clear to me why this update has been provided by Microsoft. By the way, I am NOT a naive computer user; before I retired, I had a 30+ year career as a software test engineer working on very large software systems used by the US military for operating earth-orbiting space satellites. I would hope to see some non-obscure description of why I should install this update, a description beyond "Trust us; it's safe." I agree. I did not install it yet for the reasons you expounded upon. Why do it??? I generally install them on the basis that Microsoft's computing skills exceed mine. |
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Windows Update for KB3020370
David E. Ross wrote:
An optional Windows 7 update was "published" yesterday for KB3020370. I find Microsoft's "More Information" description of this update even more obscure than usual. Does anyone know what this update is really about? Is it for for the benefit of users or for the benefit of Microsoft? https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3020370 The hyperlink for "issue" points at the following paragraph in the article, which is: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3020370#issue which says: If the *Protect object from accidental deletion* option is enabled in the domain root object, some component updates cannot be installed on a read-only domain controller (RODC) in Windows Server 2008 R2 Service Pack 1 (SP1). Some info he http://blogs.technet.com/b/industry_...-deletion.aspx I'm not interested in educating myself on how to become a domain administrator or the scripting or programming available to automate those tasks. The Cmitrust.dll file is present on the workstations (client versions of Windows) and is involved in this domain administation stuff. Based on the path to this file (C:\Windows\System32\AdvancedInstallers\) and that it is somehow involved with domain administration, my guess is that it is a client-side to some object control performed or managed at the domain controller. If you right-click on the file and look at the Details tab, the description says "Installers for trustinfo and related elements". The KB article's terse description is probably clear to domain adminstrators. For users that are not in a domain (and even those who are in a domain but have absolutely no involvement in domain admin) probably don't need this update. Since it is updating a file that already exists in the workstation versions of Windows, there's little reason not to update it. There are manifests for [install of] programs that contain a trustinfo field. See: http://www.samlogic.net/articles/manifest.htm http://www.restuner.com/howto-insert...o-manifest.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.manifest So this update may be not only about domain admin but may involve installations and the security of applications. https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/...(v=VS.85).aspx https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/...(v=vs.85).aspx https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/815147/ I don't know the programming context under which that class would be used. From other reading, it appears programs can include their own cmitrust.dll file which means this update is fixing Microsoft's instance of this file but not for all other programs that bundle their own copy of this file. It's a DLL (dynamically linked library) so it is a library of methods (functions) called by other software. |
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Windows Update for KB3020370
Scott wrote:
On Wed, 22 Apr 2015 13:38:07 -0600, "Buffalo" wrote: "David E. Ross" wrote in message ... On 4/22/2015 11:29 AM, . . .winston wrote: David E. Ross wrote: An optional Windows 7 update was "published" yesterday for KB3020370. I find Microsoft's "More Information" description of this update even more obscure than usual. Does anyone know what this update is really about? Is it for for the benefit of users or for the benefit of Microsoft? Since its Trusted Info (Security and Window Update) related the answer is both. It is still not clear to me why this update has been provided by Microsoft. By the way, I am NOT a naive computer user; before I retired, I had a 30+ year career as a software test engineer working on very large software systems used by the US military for operating earth-orbiting space satellites. I would hope to see some non-obscure description of why I should install this update, a description beyond "Trust us; it's safe." I agree. I did not install it yet for the reasons you expounded upon. Why do it??? I generally install them on the basis that Microsoft's computing skills exceed mine. "Except for those updates that call me a thief and have to do with Genuine Windows or updates which place a band across the screen so I can't use the computer." There, fixed it for you. There are some updates you don't *actually* need. They are not security related and have nothing to do with potential exploits by malware or the like. This is why, no matter how hard they make it for us to read the descriptions, we will still read the descriptions. And this is why, if Windows 10 ships with "totally automated updates" with no control switches at all, I will *reject* the free upgrade to Windows 10. You cannot operate a Windows computer, with poor QA patches offered, in a fully automated fashion. There is only going to be brickage some day. And any day where I'm denied usage of my computer because of a root cause like this, I'd be madder than hell. That's why I give Microsoft the benefit of the poor quality doubts, by doing updates when I'm prepared to check them, look up other user experience and so on. It's possible to look at what an update affects, and guess what's going to happen. We know from experience now, any patch having to do with kernel font rendering, spells "death" in terms of computer health. Apparently the computer is ticklish there. An inquiring mind would ask, why anything to do with fonts is in the kernel Ring 0 in the first place. I guess I never took that course at school ("doing stupid things in OS"). Paul |
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Windows Update for KB3020370
Scott wrote:
On Wed, 22 Apr 2015 13:38:07 -0600, "Buffalo" wrote: "David E. Ross" wrote in message ... On 4/22/2015 11:29 AM, . . .winston wrote: David E. Ross wrote: An optional Windows 7 update was "published" yesterday for KB3020370. I find Microsoft's "More Information" description of this update even more obscure than usual. Does anyone know what this update is really about? Is it for for the benefit of users or for the benefit of Microsoft? Since its Trusted Info (Security and Window Update) related the answer is both. It is still not clear to me why this update has been provided by Microsoft. By the way, I am NOT a naive computer user; before I retired, I had a 30+ year career as a software test engineer working on very large software systems used by the US military for operating earth-orbiting space satellites. I would hope to see some non-obscure description of why I should install this update, a description beyond "Trust us; it's safe." I agree. I did not install it yet for the reasons you expounded upon. Why do it??? I generally install them on the basis that Microsoft's computing skills exceed mine. Except for those updates that prevent SQL from running and takes many hours to figure out it was an update that did it. |
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Windows Update for KB3020370
On 4/22/2015 11:05 AM, David E. Ross wrote:
An optional Windows 7 update was "published" yesterday for KB3020370. I find Microsoft's "More Information" description of this update even more obscure than usual. Does anyone know what this update is really about? Is it for for the benefit of users or for the benefit of Microsoft? After considering all the replies, I decided not to install the update. I am not a network or system administrator; I am merely a home user. In the Windows Update manager, I marked the update as hidden. -- David E. Ross Why do we tolerate political leaders who spend more time belittling hungry children than they do trying to fix the problem of hunger? http://mazon.org/ |
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Windows Update for KB3020370
I install any windows related updates (optional ) or not.
I keep my machines patched and secured. if windows update brakes something i just roll the pc back to the day before that update or updates were installed and trouble shoot from that point -- AL'S COMPUTERS "David E. Ross" wrote in message ... On 4/22/2015 11:05 AM, David E. Ross wrote: An optional Windows 7 update was "published" yesterday for KB3020370. I find Microsoft's "More Information" description of this update even more obscure than usual. Does anyone know what this update is really about? Is it for for the benefit of users or for the benefit of Microsoft? After considering all the replies, I decided not to install the update. I am not a network or system administrator; I am merely a home user. In the Windows Update manager, I marked the update as hidden. -- David E. Ross Why do we tolerate political leaders who spend more time belittling hungry children than they do trying to fix the problem of hunger? http://mazon.org/ |
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Windows Update for KB3020370
In message , Andy
writes: I install any windows related updates (optional ) or not. I keep my machines patched and secured. if windows update brakes something i just roll the pc back to the day before that update or updates were installed and trouble shoot from that point I take it you're using system restore, which does imply you can at least get the system to boot far enough to invoke that (or are you doing an image backup every day?). About how often do you find you have to do it? (You used a proper signature separator line; unfortunately, you posted your reply - _including_ the sig. sep. - _above_ the text you're responding to, which means that all of the text you're responding to appears as part of your signature.) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Our sun is one of 100 billion stars in our galaxy. Our galaxy is one of the billions of galaxies populating the universe. It would be the height of presumption to think that we are the only living things within that enormous immensity. -Wernher von Braun, rocket engineer (1912-1977) |
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Windows Update for KB3020370
Buffalo wrote:
"David E. Ross" wrote in message ... On 4/22/2015 11:29 AM, . . .winston wrote: David E. Ross wrote: An optional Windows 7 update was "published" yesterday for KB3020370. I find Microsoft's "More Information" description of this update even more obscure than usual. Does anyone know what this update is really about? Is it for for the benefit of users or for the benefit of Microsoft? Since its Trusted Info (Security and Window Update) related the answer is both. It is still not clear to me why this update has been provided by Microsoft. By the way, I am NOT a naive computer user; before I retired, I had a 30+ year career as a software test engineer working on very large software systems used by the US military for operating earth-orbiting space satellites. I would hope to see some non-obscure description of why I should install this update, a description beyond "Trust us; it's safe." I agree. I did not install it yet for the reasons you expounded upon. Why do it??? The Trusted Info Installer code is common to Server and Consumer versions of Windows 7. -- ...winston msft mvp consumer apps |
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Windows Update for KB3020370
On Wed, 22 Apr 2015 18:50:39 -0400, Paul wrote:
Scott wrote: On Wed, 22 Apr 2015 13:38:07 -0600, "Buffalo" wrote: "David E. Ross" wrote in message ... On 4/22/2015 11:29 AM, . . .winston wrote: David E. Ross wrote: An optional Windows 7 update was "published" yesterday for KB3020370. I find Microsoft's "More Information" description of this update even more obscure than usual. Does anyone know what this update is really about? Is it for for the benefit of users or for the benefit of Microsoft? Since its Trusted Info (Security and Window Update) related the answer is both. It is still not clear to me why this update has been provided by Microsoft. By the way, I am NOT a naive computer user; before I retired, I had a 30+ year career as a software test engineer working on very large software systems used by the US military for operating earth-orbiting space satellites. I would hope to see some non-obscure description of why I should install this update, a description beyond "Trust us; it's safe." I agree. I did not install it yet for the reasons you expounded upon. Why do it??? I generally install them on the basis that Microsoft's computing skills exceed mine. "Except for those updates that call me a thief and have to do with Genuine Windows or updates which place a band across the screen so I can't use the computer." There, fixed it for you. There are some updates you don't *actually* need. They are not security related and have nothing to do with potential exploits by malware or the like. This is why, no matter how hard they make it for us to read the descriptions, we will still read the descriptions. And this is why, if Windows 10 ships with "totally automated updates" with no control switches at all, I will *reject* the free upgrade to Windows 10. You cannot operate a Windows computer, with poor QA patches offered, in a fully automated fashion. There is only going to be brickage some day. And any day where I'm denied usage of my computer because of a root cause like this, I'd be madder than hell. That's why I give Microsoft the benefit of the poor quality doubts, by doing updates when I'm prepared to check them, look up other user experience and so on. It's possible to look at what an update affects, and guess what's going to happen. We know from experience now, any patch having to do with kernel font rendering, spells "death" in terms of computer health. Apparently the computer is ticklish there. An inquiring mind would ask, why anything to do with fonts is in the kernel Ring 0 in the first place. I guess I never took that course at school ("doing stupid things in OS"). Paul Good advice Paul. Glad you are keeping it real. I know I can count on you to go above and beyond being helpful. DC |
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