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Old April 22nd 15, 07:05 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
David E. Ross[_2_]
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Default Windows Update for KB3020370

An optional Windows 7 update was "published" yesterday for KB3020370. I
find Microsoft's "More Information" description of this update even more
obscure than usual. Does anyone know what this update is really about?
Is it for for the benefit of users or for the benefit of Microsoft?

--
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Why do we tolerate political leaders who
spend more time belittling hungry children
than they do trying to fix the problem of
hunger? http://mazon.org/
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Old April 22nd 15, 07:20 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Bruce Hagen[_2_]
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"David E. Ross" wrote in message
...
An optional Windows 7 update was "published" yesterday for KB3020370. I
find Microsoft's "More Information" description of this update even more
obscure than usual. Does anyone know what this update is really about?
Is it for for the benefit of users or for the benefit of Microsoft?




https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3020370
--

~Bruce


  #3  
Old April 22nd 15, 07:29 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
. . .winston
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David E. Ross wrote:
An optional Windows 7 update was "published" yesterday for KB3020370. I
find Microsoft's "More Information" description of this update even more
obscure than usual. Does anyone know what this update is really about?
Is it for for the benefit of users or for the benefit of Microsoft?


Since its Trusted Info (Security and Window Update) related the answer
is both.

--
...winston
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  #4  
Old April 22nd 15, 08:14 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
David E. Ross[_2_]
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Default Windows Update for KB3020370

On 4/22/2015 11:20 AM, Bruce Hagen wrote:
"David E. Ross" wrote in message
...
An optional Windows 7 update was "published" yesterday for KB3020370. I
find Microsoft's "More Information" description of this update even more
obscure than usual. Does anyone know what this update is really about?
Is it for for the benefit of users or for the benefit of Microsoft?




https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3020370


At that Web page, "Issue that is fixed in this update" only mentions
Windows Server 2008 R2 Service Pack 1, not Windows 7. However, Windows
7 is cited elsewhere on that page. It is still not clear to me why this
update has been provided by Microsoft.

--
David E. Ross

Why do we tolerate political leaders who
spend more time belittling hungry children
than they do trying to fix the problem of
hunger? http://mazon.org/
  #5  
Old April 22nd 15, 08:15 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
David E. Ross[_2_]
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Default Windows Update for KB3020370

On 4/22/2015 11:29 AM, . . .winston wrote:
David E. Ross wrote:
An optional Windows 7 update was "published" yesterday for KB3020370. I
find Microsoft's "More Information" description of this update even more
obscure than usual. Does anyone know what this update is really about?
Is it for for the benefit of users or for the benefit of Microsoft?


Since its Trusted Info (Security and Window Update) related the answer
is both.


It is still not clear to me why this update has been provided by
Microsoft.

By the way, I am NOT a naive computer user; before I retired, I had a
30+ year career as a software test engineer working on very large
software systems used by the US military for operating earth-orbiting
space satellites. I would hope to see some non-obscure description of
why I should install this update, a description beyond "Trust us; it's
safe."

--
David E. Ross

Why do we tolerate political leaders who
spend more time belittling hungry children
than they do trying to fix the problem of
hunger? http://mazon.org/
  #6  
Old April 22nd 15, 08:38 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Buffalo[_3_]
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"David E. Ross" wrote in message ...

On 4/22/2015 11:29 AM, . . .winston wrote:
David E. Ross wrote:
An optional Windows 7 update was "published" yesterday for KB3020370. I
find Microsoft's "More Information" description of this update even more
obscure than usual. Does anyone know what this update is really about?
Is it for for the benefit of users or for the benefit of Microsoft?


Since its Trusted Info (Security and Window Update) related the answer
is both.


It is still not clear to me why this update has been provided by
Microsoft.

By the way, I am NOT a naive computer user; before I retired, I had a
30+ year career as a software test engineer working on very large
software systems used by the US military for operating earth-orbiting
space satellites. I would hope to see some non-obscure description of
why I should install this update, a description beyond "Trust us; it's
safe."



I agree. I did not install it yet for the reasons you expounded upon. Why do
it???
--
Buffalo

  #7  
Old April 22nd 15, 08:52 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Scott[_10_]
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On Wed, 22 Apr 2015 13:38:07 -0600, "Buffalo"
wrote:

"David E. Ross" wrote in message ...

On 4/22/2015 11:29 AM, . . .winston wrote:
David E. Ross wrote:
An optional Windows 7 update was "published" yesterday for KB3020370. I
find Microsoft's "More Information" description of this update even more
obscure than usual. Does anyone know what this update is really about?
Is it for for the benefit of users or for the benefit of Microsoft?


Since its Trusted Info (Security and Window Update) related the answer
is both.


It is still not clear to me why this update has been provided by
Microsoft.

By the way, I am NOT a naive computer user; before I retired, I had a
30+ year career as a software test engineer working on very large
software systems used by the US military for operating earth-orbiting
space satellites. I would hope to see some non-obscure description of
why I should install this update, a description beyond "Trust us; it's
safe."



I agree. I did not install it yet for the reasons you expounded upon. Why do
it???


I generally install them on the basis that Microsoft's computing
skills exceed mine.
  #8  
Old April 22nd 15, 09:19 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Default Windows Update for KB3020370

David E. Ross wrote:

An optional Windows 7 update was "published" yesterday for KB3020370. I
find Microsoft's "More Information" description of this update even more
obscure than usual. Does anyone know what this update is really about?
Is it for for the benefit of users or for the benefit of Microsoft?


https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3020370

The hyperlink for "issue" points at the following paragraph in the
article, which is:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3020370#issue

which says:

If the *Protect object from accidental deletion* option is enabled in
the domain root object, some component updates cannot be installed on
a read-only domain controller (RODC) in Windows Server 2008 R2 Service
Pack 1 (SP1).

Some info he
http://blogs.technet.com/b/industry_...-deletion.aspx

I'm not interested in educating myself on how to become a domain
administrator or the scripting or programming available to automate
those tasks.

The Cmitrust.dll file is present on the workstations (client versions of
Windows) and is involved in this domain administation stuff. Based on
the path to this file (C:\Windows\System32\AdvancedInstallers\) and that
it is somehow involved with domain administration, my guess is that it
is a client-side to some object control performed or managed at the
domain controller. If you right-click on the file and look at the
Details tab, the description says "Installers for trustinfo and related
elements".

The KB article's terse description is probably clear to domain
adminstrators. For users that are not in a domain (and even those who
are in a domain but have absolutely no involvement in domain admin)
probably don't need this update. Since it is updating a file that
already exists in the workstation versions of Windows, there's little
reason not to update it.

There are manifests for [install of] programs that contain a trustinfo
field. See:

http://www.samlogic.net/articles/manifest.htm
http://www.restuner.com/howto-insert...o-manifest.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.manifest

So this update may be not only about domain admin but may involve
installations and the security of applications.

https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/...(v=VS.85).aspx
https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/...(v=vs.85).aspx
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/815147/

I don't know the programming context under which that class would be
used. From other reading, it appears programs can include their own
cmitrust.dll file which means this update is fixing Microsoft's instance
of this file but not for all other programs that bundle their own copy
of this file. It's a DLL (dynamically linked library) so it is a
library of methods (functions) called by other software.
  #9  
Old April 22nd 15, 11:50 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Paul
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Default Windows Update for KB3020370

Scott wrote:
On Wed, 22 Apr 2015 13:38:07 -0600, "Buffalo"
wrote:

"David E. Ross" wrote in message ...
On 4/22/2015 11:29 AM, . . .winston wrote:
David E. Ross wrote:
An optional Windows 7 update was "published" yesterday for KB3020370. I
find Microsoft's "More Information" description of this update even more
obscure than usual. Does anyone know what this update is really about?
Is it for for the benefit of users or for the benefit of Microsoft?

Since its Trusted Info (Security and Window Update) related the answer
is both.

It is still not clear to me why this update has been provided by
Microsoft.

By the way, I am NOT a naive computer user; before I retired, I had a
30+ year career as a software test engineer working on very large
software systems used by the US military for operating earth-orbiting
space satellites. I would hope to see some non-obscure description of
why I should install this update, a description beyond "Trust us; it's
safe."

I agree. I did not install it yet for the reasons you expounded upon. Why do
it???


I generally install them on the basis that Microsoft's computing
skills exceed mine.


"Except for those updates that call me a thief and have to
do with Genuine Windows or updates which place a band across
the screen so I can't use the computer."

There, fixed it for you.

There are some updates you don't *actually* need. They are
not security related and have nothing to do with potential
exploits by malware or the like. This is why, no matter how
hard they make it for us to read the descriptions, we will
still read the descriptions.

And this is why, if Windows 10 ships with "totally automated
updates" with no control switches at all, I will *reject*
the free upgrade to Windows 10. You cannot operate a Windows
computer, with poor QA patches offered, in a fully automated
fashion. There is only going to be brickage some day. And
any day where I'm denied usage of my computer because of
a root cause like this, I'd be madder than hell. That's why
I give Microsoft the benefit of the poor quality doubts, by
doing updates when I'm prepared to check them, look up
other user experience and so on.

It's possible to look at what an update affects, and guess
what's going to happen. We know from experience now, any patch
having to do with kernel font rendering, spells "death" in terms
of computer health. Apparently the computer is ticklish there.
An inquiring mind would ask, why anything to do with fonts
is in the kernel Ring 0 in the first place. I guess I never
took that course at school ("doing stupid things in OS").

Paul
  #10  
Old April 23rd 15, 12:13 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Paul in Houston TX[_2_]
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Scott wrote:
On Wed, 22 Apr 2015 13:38:07 -0600, "Buffalo"
wrote:

"David E. Ross" wrote in message ...

On 4/22/2015 11:29 AM, . . .winston wrote:
David E. Ross wrote:
An optional Windows 7 update was "published" yesterday for KB3020370. I
find Microsoft's "More Information" description of this update even more
obscure than usual. Does anyone know what this update is really about?
Is it for for the benefit of users or for the benefit of Microsoft?


Since its Trusted Info (Security and Window Update) related the answer
is both.


It is still not clear to me why this update has been provided by
Microsoft.

By the way, I am NOT a naive computer user; before I retired, I had a
30+ year career as a software test engineer working on very large
software systems used by the US military for operating earth-orbiting
space satellites. I would hope to see some non-obscure description of
why I should install this update, a description beyond "Trust us; it's
safe."



I agree. I did not install it yet for the reasons you expounded upon. Why do
it???


I generally install them on the basis that Microsoft's computing
skills exceed mine.


Except for those updates that prevent SQL from running and takes
many hours to figure out it was an update that did it.
  #11  
Old April 23rd 15, 12:24 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
David E. Ross[_2_]
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On 4/22/2015 11:05 AM, David E. Ross wrote:
An optional Windows 7 update was "published" yesterday for KB3020370. I
find Microsoft's "More Information" description of this update even more
obscure than usual. Does anyone know what this update is really about?
Is it for for the benefit of users or for the benefit of Microsoft?


After considering all the replies, I decided not to install the update.
I am not a network or system administrator; I am merely a home user.
In the Windows Update manager, I marked the update as hidden.

--
David E. Ross

Why do we tolerate political leaders who
spend more time belittling hungry children
than they do trying to fix the problem of
hunger? http://mazon.org/
  #12  
Old April 23rd 15, 07:22 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Andy
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Default Windows Update for KB3020370

I install any windows related updates (optional ) or not.
I keep my machines patched and secured.
if windows update brakes something i just roll the pc back to the day before
that update or updates were installed and trouble shoot from that point


--
AL'S COMPUTERS
"David E. Ross" wrote in message
...
On 4/22/2015 11:05 AM, David E. Ross wrote:
An optional Windows 7 update was "published" yesterday for KB3020370. I
find Microsoft's "More Information" description of this update even more
obscure than usual. Does anyone know what this update is really about?
Is it for for the benefit of users or for the benefit of Microsoft?


After considering all the replies, I decided not to install the update.
I am not a network or system administrator; I am merely a home user.
In the Windows Update manager, I marked the update as hidden.

--
David E. Ross

Why do we tolerate political leaders who
spend more time belittling hungry children
than they do trying to fix the problem of
hunger? http://mazon.org/



  #13  
Old April 23rd 15, 10:20 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)
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In message , Andy
writes:
I install any windows related updates (optional ) or not.
I keep my machines patched and secured.
if windows update brakes something i just roll the pc back to the day before
that update or updates were installed and trouble shoot from that point

I take it you're using system restore, which does imply you can at least
get the system to boot far enough to invoke that (or are you doing an
image backup every day?). About how often do you find you have to do it?

(You used a proper signature separator line; unfortunately, you posted
your reply - _including_ the sig. sep. - _above_ the text you're
responding to, which means that all of the text you're responding to
appears as part of your signature.)
--
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Our sun is one of 100 billion stars in our galaxy. Our galaxy is one of the
billions of galaxies populating the universe. It would be the height of
presumption to think that we are the only living things within that enormous
immensity. -Wernher von Braun, rocket engineer (1912-1977)
  #14  
Old April 23rd 15, 10:41 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
. . .winston
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Buffalo wrote:
"David E. Ross" wrote in message ...

On 4/22/2015 11:29 AM, . . .winston wrote:
David E. Ross wrote:
An optional Windows 7 update was "published" yesterday for
KB3020370. I
find Microsoft's "More Information" description of this update even
more
obscure than usual. Does anyone know what this update is really about?
Is it for for the benefit of users or for the benefit of Microsoft?


Since its Trusted Info (Security and Window Update) related the answer
is both.


It is still not clear to me why this update has been provided by
Microsoft.

By the way, I am NOT a naive computer user; before I retired, I had a
30+ year career as a software test engineer working on very large
software systems used by the US military for operating earth-orbiting
space satellites. I would hope to see some non-obscure description of
why I should install this update, a description beyond "Trust us; it's
safe."



I agree. I did not install it yet for the reasons you expounded upon.
Why do it???


The Trusted Info Installer code is common to Server and Consumer
versions of Windows 7.


--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps
  #15  
Old April 24th 15, 04:39 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
No_Name
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On Wed, 22 Apr 2015 18:50:39 -0400, Paul wrote:

Scott wrote:
On Wed, 22 Apr 2015 13:38:07 -0600, "Buffalo"
wrote:

"David E. Ross" wrote in message ...
On 4/22/2015 11:29 AM, . . .winston wrote:
David E. Ross wrote:
An optional Windows 7 update was "published" yesterday for KB3020370. I
find Microsoft's "More Information" description of this update even more
obscure than usual. Does anyone know what this update is really about?
Is it for for the benefit of users or for the benefit of Microsoft?

Since its Trusted Info (Security and Window Update) related the answer
is both.

It is still not clear to me why this update has been provided by
Microsoft.

By the way, I am NOT a naive computer user; before I retired, I had a
30+ year career as a software test engineer working on very large
software systems used by the US military for operating earth-orbiting
space satellites. I would hope to see some non-obscure description of
why I should install this update, a description beyond "Trust us; it's
safe."
I agree. I did not install it yet for the reasons you expounded upon. Why do
it???


I generally install them on the basis that Microsoft's computing
skills exceed mine.


"Except for those updates that call me a thief and have to
do with Genuine Windows or updates which place a band across
the screen so I can't use the computer."

There, fixed it for you.

There are some updates you don't *actually* need. They are
not security related and have nothing to do with potential
exploits by malware or the like. This is why, no matter how
hard they make it for us to read the descriptions, we will
still read the descriptions.

And this is why, if Windows 10 ships with "totally automated
updates" with no control switches at all, I will *reject*
the free upgrade to Windows 10. You cannot operate a Windows
computer, with poor QA patches offered, in a fully automated
fashion. There is only going to be brickage some day. And
any day where I'm denied usage of my computer because of
a root cause like this, I'd be madder than hell. That's why
I give Microsoft the benefit of the poor quality doubts, by
doing updates when I'm prepared to check them, look up
other user experience and so on.

It's possible to look at what an update affects, and guess
what's going to happen. We know from experience now, any patch
having to do with kernel font rendering, spells "death" in terms
of computer health. Apparently the computer is ticklish there.
An inquiring mind would ask, why anything to do with fonts
is in the kernel Ring 0 in the first place. I guess I never
took that course at school ("doing stupid things in OS").

Paul


Good advice Paul. Glad you are keeping it real.

I know I can count on you to go above and beyond being helpful.

DC
 




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