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  #16  
Old April 28th 15, 10:31 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Default Win7 in boot-loop. Help!

pjp ha scritto:

If you can see the drive with folders and files when booting to a Linux
disk is good news. Now get a second external drive and try and copy
everything from the original drive to it.

[CUT]

I tried but i cannot copy all files on new hard disk i have installed.
When i try to select files and folders and i go into destination
volume i don't find Paste command...
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  #17  
Old April 28th 15, 11:31 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Freejazz ha scritto :

I tried but i cannot copy all files on new hard disk i have installed.
When i try to select files and folders and i go into destination
volume i don't find Paste command...
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Ok. I could find Paste command and the copying was started. But
during the copying there are some files that cannot be
copied...
:-(


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  #18  
Old April 28th 15, 09:20 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Freejazz wrote:
Freejazz ha scritto :
I tried but i cannot copy all files on new hard disk i have installed.
When i try to select files and folders and i go into destination
volume i don't find Paste command...
--
'Za Fo'!

Ok. I could find Paste command and the copying was started. But
during the copying there are some files that cannot be
copied...
:-(


So that tells you that some of the partition
is intact.

For the Windows repair to perform as expected,
it needs to see "characteristic" parts to allow
log in to a partition. It could be, that whatever
files those are (winload.exe, BCD, pagefile, fake
autoexec.bat or whatever), they're missing or cannot
be read. In particular, the BCD is needed because
it has GUID pointers to the component parts of
items in the boot menu.

Maybe all you can do, is salvage personal files,
email database, Firefox profile folder, and so on.

Doing a Repair Install can only be done there, if
the OS is in a running state. This is different
than WinXP, where you could do a Repair Install
by booting the DVD. Booting the DVD for this OS,
only allows Clean Install. To do Repair Install,
that is done with the system running (in which case
it isn't all that badly damaged).

Paul

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Old April 29th 15, 03:31 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Paul ha scritto:

So that tells you that some of the partition
is intact.

For the Windows repair to perform as expected,
it needs to see "characteristic" parts to allow
log in to a partition. It could be, that whatever
files those are (winload.exe, BCD, pagefile, fake
autoexec.bat or whatever), they're missing or cannot
be read. In particular, the BCD is needed because
it has GUID pointers to the component parts of
items in the boot menu.

Maybe all you can do, is salvage personal files,
email database, Firefox profile folder, and so on.

Doing a Repair Install can only be done there, if
the OS is in a running state. This is different
than WinXP, where you could do a Repair Install
by booting the DVD. Booting the DVD for this OS,
only allows Clean Install. To do Repair Install,
that is done with the system running (in which case
it isn't all that badly damaged).

Paul

Ok. Finally i could boot the Windows installation in new
(magnetic) hard disk after the Repair by OS.
But now i would want to do a migration from hdd to ssd but even
after the format in Ubuntu Live Cd of ssd i cannot see the unit
in Windows.
If i use sata channel the unit in Windows cannot be seen; if i use
usb-sata case i can see unit but i noticed an exclamation marker
near the ssd in Device Manager.
If i plug the ssd with usb-sata case on another pc i can see ssd
on Windows.
Therefore i think that i have some problem with the system but i
do not know what...


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Old April 29th 15, 04:02 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Paul
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Freejazz wrote:
Paul ha scritto:
So that tells you that some of the partition
is intact.

For the Windows repair to perform as expected,
it needs to see "characteristic" parts to allow
log in to a partition. It could be, that whatever
files those are (winload.exe, BCD, pagefile, fake
autoexec.bat or whatever), they're missing or cannot
be read. In particular, the BCD is needed because
it has GUID pointers to the component parts of
items in the boot menu.

Maybe all you can do, is salvage personal files,
email database, Firefox profile folder, and so on.

Doing a Repair Install can only be done there, if
the OS is in a running state. This is different
than WinXP, where you could do a Repair Install
by booting the DVD. Booting the DVD for this OS,
only allows Clean Install. To do Repair Install,
that is done with the system running (in which case
it isn't all that badly damaged).

Paul

Ok. Finally i could boot the Windows installation in new
(magnetic) hard disk after the Repair by OS.
But now i would want to do a migration from hdd to ssd but even
after the format in Ubuntu Live Cd of ssd i cannot see the unit
in Windows.
If i use sata channel the unit in Windows cannot be seen; if i use
usb-sata case i can see unit but i noticed an exclamation marker
near the ssd in Device Manager.
If i plug the ssd with usb-sata case on another pc i can see ssd
on Windows.
Therefore i think that i have some problem with the system but i
do not know what...



Could you do whatever needs to be done,
on the working PC ?

If the hard drive boots, then eventually
you'll get the SSD booting.

There are only a few hardware devices with problems.
For example, if you have a VT8237 Southbridge, that
has SATA I, and it also has broken negotiation
capability. An SSD with SATA II or SATA III interface,
will not be able to talk to a VT8237.

But if this setup was working at some time, that would
not explain the problem.

Paul
  #21  
Old April 30th 15, 12:11 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 04:15:44 +0200 (GMT+02:00), Freejazz wrote:

But now i would want to do a migration from hdd to ssd but even
after the format in Ubuntu Live Cd of ssd i cannot see the unit
in Windows.


Have you assigned a drive letter to the SSD?

You can do that in Disk Management.

Right click on Computer and choose Manage. Oops - I can't help more
because I have to fix something here. My "Manage" is broken :-(

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  #22  
Old April 30th 15, 01:27 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 16:11:14 -0700, Gene E. Bloch wrote:

On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 04:15:44 +0200 (GMT+02:00), Freejazz wrote:

But now i would want to do a migration from hdd to ssd but even
after the format in Ubuntu Live Cd of ssd i cannot see the unit
in Windows.


Have you assigned a drive letter to the SSD?

You can do that in Disk Management.

Right click on Computer and choose Manage. Oops - I can't help more
because I have to fix something here. My "Manage" is broken :-(


OK, when the Manage window opens, expand the Storage thing in the left
pane and choose Disk management.

Look for a drive without a letter, right click on it and select Change
drive letter and path.

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  #23  
Old April 30th 15, 03:55 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Hi, Gene.

Have you assigned a drive letter to the SSD?


The BIOS will assign a Disk NUMBER to the SSD (Disk 0? Disk 1?).

You can do that in Disk Management.


No, but then you (or the OP) can use Disk Management to create (at least)
one partition and assign a letter to that partition (Drive C:?). Partition
= volume = drive. "Drive" letters are assigned to partitions, not to disks.

Right click on Computer and choose Manage.


Better yet, at a Command Prompt, type "diskmgmt.msc" (without the quotes)
and press Enter. This will get Disk Management without the "overhead" of
the MMC (Microsoft Management Console). It's quicker - and Disk Management
will have more screen real estate to work with.

RC
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On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 04:15:44 +0200 (GMT+02:00), Freejazz wrote:

But now i would want to do a migration from hdd to ssd but even
after the format in Ubuntu Live Cd of ssd i cannot see the unit
in Windows.


Have you assigned a drive letter to the SSD?

You can do that in Disk Management.

Right click on Computer and choose Manage. Oops - I can't help more
because I have to fix something here. My "Manage" is broken :-(

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  #24  
Old April 30th 15, 04:57 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Gene E. Bloch[_2_]
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On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 21:55:10 -0500, R. C. White wrote:

Have you assigned a drive letter to the SSD?


The BIOS will assign a Disk NUMBER to the SSD (Disk 0? Disk 1?).


WINDOWS (Windows Explorer might be what he meant) will not see the drive
unless it has a drive letter, except in Disk Management and similar.

In case you were unaware, it is common practice, if a bit sloppy, to say
drive for partition.

I have no idea what the OP had done or how the OP had tried to see the
disk, including whether he had ever partitioned it, so I tried to be
helpful. Something worth trying, don't you think?

As for your comments about how to get to DM, I prefer the way that I
find easiest to explain to naive users, but since my computer was in a
weird state, I couldn't get Disk Management to run (regardless of how I
did it) to verify my procedure. So I said what I could and bailed long
enough to reboot and run malware scans and reboot.

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  #25  
Old April 30th 15, 07:09 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
. . .winston
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Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 21:55:10 -0500, R. C. White wrote:

Have you assigned a drive letter to the SSD?


The BIOS will assign a Disk NUMBER to the SSD (Disk 0? Disk 1?).


WINDOWS (Windows Explorer might be what he meant) will not see the drive
unless it has a drive letter, except in Disk Management and similar.

In case you were unaware, it is common practice, if a bit sloppy, to say
drive for partition.

I have no idea what the OP had done or how the OP had tried to see the
disk, including whether he had ever partitioned it, so I tried to be
helpful. Something worth trying, don't you think?

As for your comments about how to get to DM, I prefer the way that I
find easiest to explain to naive users, but since my computer was in a
weird state, I couldn't get Disk Management to run (regardless of how I
did it) to verify my procedure. So I said what I could and bailed long
enough to reboot and run malware scans and reboot.

Hope you got the issue resolved.

I never liked that route for DiskManagement or even in my case the
rarely used Win7 Start Menu...I've prefer to place a simple shortcut to
DM on Win7 on the Quick Launch Bar. (in fact I've done the same on Win8.1)

I've seen that (can't get DM to run) only once and it was on a new Win7
SP1 install. The MMC console was the issue. Even MSFT support couldn't
fix it. They suggested a repair install. Since it was 1 day old Win7
install with nothing but Windows and MSE, I chose not to follow their
advice and just wiped the drive, used a different Win7 Sp1 Pro DVD..that
fixed the problem. After about a week, I recontacted support with the
case number, informed them of what I did. After a few more phone calls,
MSFT replaced/exchanged the original DVD with a new one (lol...it still
in the original packaging collecting dust).


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Old May 1st 15, 12:15 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Thu, 30 Apr 2015 02:09:05 -0400, . . .winston wrote:

Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 21:55:10 -0500, R. C. White wrote:

Have you assigned a drive letter to the SSD?

The BIOS will assign a Disk NUMBER to the SSD (Disk 0? Disk 1?).


WINDOWS (Windows Explorer might be what he meant) will not see the drive
unless it has a drive letter, except in Disk Management and similar.

In case you were unaware, it is common practice, if a bit sloppy, to say
drive for partition.

I have no idea what the OP had done or how the OP had tried to see the
disk, including whether he had ever partitioned it, so I tried to be
helpful. Something worth trying, don't you think?

As for your comments about how to get to DM, I prefer the way that I
find easiest to explain to naive users, but since my computer was in a
weird state, I couldn't get Disk Management to run (regardless of how I
did it) to verify my procedure. So I said what I could and bailed long
enough to reboot and run malware scans and reboot.

Hope you got the issue resolved.


Thanks, yes, I did.

The scans came up empty, but the two reboots seem to have done the
trick. Actually, I expected rebooting would be enough, but I thought it
was prudent to do malware scans :-)

I never liked that route for DiskManagement or even in my case the
rarely used Win7 Start Menu...I've prefer to place a simple shortcut to
DM on Win7 on the Quick Launch Bar. (in fact I've done the same on Win8.1)


I hardly ever use Disk Management, so I feel no need for a shortcut. I
often do what I described & I often type something in the Start Orb's
search bar, like "format" or "disk" (I'm a bit inconsistent) to get
there, but I don't like to tell someone to try that unless I'm sure
they're familiar with the idea.

Anyway, at the time I posted the original suggestion I was a bit
rattled...

I've seen that (can't get DM to run) only once and it was on a new Win7
SP1 install. The MMC console was the issue. Even MSFT support couldn't
fix it. They suggested a repair install. Since it was 1 day old Win7
install with nothing but Windows and MSE, I chose not to follow their
advice and just wiped the drive, used a different Win7 Sp1 Pro DVD..that
fixed the problem. After about a week, I recontacted support with the
case number, informed them of what I did. After a few more phone calls,
MSFT replaced/exchanged the original DVD with a new one (lol...it still
in the original packaging collecting dust).


I was having troubles with some flaky micro SD cards, and somehow the OS
got all bollixed up. Pure mystery at this point...

But what the heck, all is OK now. I *think* :-)

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  #27  
Old May 5th 15, 09:03 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Thu, 23 Apr 2015 11:30:10 +0200 (CEST)
Freejazz wrote:


Hi, during the installation my new video card I didn't realize
that the sata cable was unplugged from my ssd (Samsung 850 Evo).
My system have two hdd in raid 0 configuration and a 1Tb
hdd.
I tried to use the command bootrec.exe messing a bit until i
realized that the cable was unplugged from ssd.
When i re-plugged the ssd unit i have the system in boot-loop.
My friend told me to use the command bootsec.exe /nt60 all
and the system gave me this result:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/bkiwx2tq5e...br / ?dl=0
and restart e restore the system but i didn't fix the issue.
Then i tried the following guide:
http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials...-recovery.html
But when i see the content of Regback dir i don't find files and
subdirectories.
I tried to unplug all disks keeping ssd unit only, but i have the
same issue
How can I solve it?


i just ran across this. I wonder if this could be the problem.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/05...ertik_malware/

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