POP vs IMAP

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , . . .winston
writes:
Nil wrote:
On 25 Apr 2015, OldGuy wrote in
alt.windows7.general:

What is the difference functionally between POP and IMAP?

POP3 protocol is designed to move all your email to your local
computer.

Not true...it does not move all mail, it only moves mail from the
account's Inbox on the server to the locally setup account Inbox.

I'm obviously not grasping something here. Your use of the word "only"
implies that there's some mail other than that in "the account's Inbox
on the server", that would still match ...winston's description of "your
email".

Yes there is. Drafts, Sent, Deleted, etc, not to mention any archive
folders that you've created.

--
Mike Barnes
Cheshire, England

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , . . .winston
writes:
Nil wrote:
On 25 Apr 2015, OldGuy wrote in
alt.windows7.general:

What is the difference functionally between POP and IMAP?

POP3 protocol is designed to move all your email to your local
computer.

Not true...it does not move all mail, it only moves mail from the
account's Inbox on the server to the locally setup account Inbox.

I'm obviously not grasping something here. Your use of the word "only"
implies that there's some mail other than that in "the account's Inbox
on the server", that would still match ...winston's description of "your
email".

It means exactly what was stated.
- POP3 is only capable of downloading mail from the Inbox. Messages in
all other folders are not downloaded (e.g. Sent, Deleted, Junk, user
created folders).

--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

In message , Mike Barnes
writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , . . .winston
writes:
Nil wrote:
On 25 Apr 2015, OldGuy wrote in
alt.windows7.general:

What is the difference functionally between POP and IMAP?

POP3 protocol is designed to move all your email to your local
computer.

Not true...it does not move all mail, it only moves mail from the
account's Inbox on the server to the locally setup account Inbox.

I'm obviously not grasping something here. Your use of the word "only"
implies that there's some mail other than that in "the account's Inbox
on the server", that would still match ...winston's description of "your
email".

Yes there is. Drafts, Sent, Deleted, etc, not to mention any archive
folders that you've created.

I didn't think POP3 ever had any of that on the server.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the
law." - Winston Churchill.

On Sun, 26 Apr 2015 18:27:13 -0400, . . .winston wrote:

It means exactly what was stated.
- POP3 is only capable of downloading mail from the Inbox. Messages in
all other folders are not downloaded (e.g. Sent, Deleted, Junk, user
created folders).

Actually, POP3 is not even aware of folders. The specs only aware of mail
storage. "Inbox", "Sent", "Deleted"/"Trash", or custom mail folder/storage
are merely extra features provided by the email software creators. They
exist only for easy mail management.

On Sat, 25 Apr 2015 09:21:29 -0700, OldGuy wrote:
For GMail Account and Hotmail Account

What is the difference functionally between POP and IMAP?

Beside the username and password what is the value of all the other
settings for POP and IMAP?

Someone post a nice succinct table ... please
I always have trouble figuring out how to do this.
Bad enough I have to remember the password.
[snip]

When it comes to education, Wikipedia is your friend.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_Office_Protocol#Comparison_with_IMAP

JJ wrote:
On Sun, 26 Apr 2015 18:27:13 -0400, . . .winston wrote:

It means exactly what was stated.
- POP3 is only capable of downloading mail from the Inbox. Messages in
all other folders are not downloaded (e.g. Sent, Deleted, Junk, user
created folders).

Actually, POP3 is not even aware of folders. The specs only aware of mail
storage. "Inbox", "Sent", "Deleted"/"Trash", or custom mail folder/storage
are merely extra features provided by the email software creators. They
exist only for easy mail management.


If it's on the servers Inbox and not previously downloaded in the same
email client, that's all that will be downloaded.



--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Mike Barnes
writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , . . .winston
writes:
Nil wrote:
On 25 Apr 2015, OldGuy wrote in
alt.windows7.general:

What is the difference functionally between POP and IMAP?

POP3 protocol is designed to move all your email to your local
computer.

Not true...it does not move all mail, it only moves mail from the
account's Inbox on the server to the locally setup account Inbox.

I'm obviously not grasping something here. Your use of the word "only"
implies that there's some mail other than that in "the account's Inbox
on the server", that would still match ...winston's description of "your
email".

Yes there is. Drafts, Sent, Deleted, etc, not to mention any archive
folders that you've created.

I didn't think POP3 ever had any of that on the server.

I don't understand the idea of POP3 having anything on the server. It
took things from the server, but it didn't "have" anything there.

What I don't know - and someone might enlighten me - is whether servers
had anything other than an Inbox at the time POP3 was designed. I
suspect that they didn't (commonly, anyway) so POP3 was designed to move
all your mail, but no longer does so simply because of changes to its
operating environment.

--
Mike Barnes
Cheshire, England

On 27 Apr 2015, Mike Barnes wrote in
alt.windows7.general:

I don't understand the idea of POP3 having anything on the server.
It took things from the server, but it didn't "have" anything
there.

What I don't know - and someone might enlighten me - is whether
servers had anything other than an Inbox at the time POP3 was
designed. I suspect that they didn't (commonly, anyway) so POP3
was designed to move all your mail, but no longer does so simply
because of changes to its operating environment.

There were always various ways for the user to access their mail store
on the server. POP3 was just one of them. The earliest email system I
used was on the company unix network in the middle or late '80s. You
could access the mail server directly and you could move and copy
messages to your local profile and folderized them for organization. It
was in concept similar to IMAP, but I never heard it called that at the
time. POP3 seemed designed more for dialup and remote usage - you could
download your mail and then deal with it offline.

Last time I looked, Verizon does not support IMAP and neither did Time
Warner. Those are my two choices for Internet service ('tho Vz is only
DSL - bah). Is anybody's experience with them different? If so, it might
be time to make a change.

Jason wrote:
Last time I looked, Verizon does not support IMAP and neither did Time
Warner. Those are my two choices for Internet service ('tho Vz is only
DSL - bah). Is anybody's experience with them different? If so, it might
be time to make a change.


Verizon, some time ago, said this:
qp
We have strategically chosen POP3 Email architecture to minimize storage
costs. Please know that each master email account has 2GB of storage and
if the user does not POP their email, the email is accessible from
anywhere with internet access via myverizon.com.
/qp

i.e. use POP3 or use the web UI


TimeWarner on the other hand, unless the email is serviced through
another TW contractor, appears to support both POP3 and IMAP.

http://www.timewarnercable.com/en/su...addresses.html

At one time, I had TimeWarner which used Roadrunner - both POP3 and IMAP
were available.

I switched cable providers and the new cable company service uses
Roadrunner and Earthlink. Both provide POP3. Neither provide IMAP but
exceptions exist - if the prior cable was TW using RoadRunner, the TW
available IMAP settings are grandfathered (though rare) as long as the
TW email address was ported to the new service (i.e. a cable co change
but retention of the TW email account).


--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 22:40:49 -0400, Jason wrote:

Last time I looked, Verizon does not support IMAP and neither did Time
Warner. Those are my two choices for Internet service ('tho Vz is only
DSL - bah). Is anybody's experience with them different? If so, it might
be time to make a change.

I never use the email service provided by an ISP because it ties me to that
ISP. I can't change ISP's without also changing my email address. So
personally, I would never base an ISP decision on the availability of their
email service.

--

Char Jackson

Per Char Jackson:
I never use the email service provided by an ISP because it ties me to that
ISP. I can't change ISP's without also changing my email address. So
personally, I would never base an ISP decision on the availability of their
email service.


+1
--
Pete Cresswell

On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 10:00:43 -0400, (PeteCresswell) wrote:

Per Char Jackson:
I never use the email service provided by an ISP because it ties me to that
ISP. I can't change ISP's without also changing my email address. So
personally, I would never base an ISP decision on the availability of their
email service.

+1

So use a separate mail provider.

On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 20:32:46 +0100, mechanic wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 10:00:43 -0400, (PeteCresswell) wrote:

Per Char Jackson:
I never use the email service provided by an ISP because it ties me to that
ISP. I can't change ISP's without also changing my email address. So
personally, I would never base an ISP decision on the availability of their
email service.

+1

So use a separate mail provider.

I think that's what I said, essentially.

--

Char Jackson

Char Jackson wrote:
On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 22:40:49 -0400, Jason wrote:

Last time I looked, Verizon does not support IMAP and neither did Time
Warner. Those are my two choices for Internet service ('tho Vz is only
DSL - bah). Is anybody's experience with them different? If so, it might
be time to make a change.

I never use the email service provided by an ISP because it ties me to that
ISP. I can't change ISP's without also changing my email address. So
personally, I would never base an ISP decision on the availability of their
email service.


Changing email addresses is a pain if its the sole email address. I
prefer to maintain multiple across a variety of services for different
tasks (personal, business, social, testing) and limiting my isp
addresses to communication and account management with the isp provider.



--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps