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mechanic wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 10:00:43 -0400, (PeteCresswell) wrote: Per Char Jackson: I never use the email service provided by an ISP because it ties me to that ISP. I can't change ISP's without also changing my email address. So personally, I would never base an ISP decision on the availability of their email service. +1 So use a separate mail provider. I think that was implied. -- ...winston msft mvp consumer apps |
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On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 04:28:21 -0500, Char Jackson wrote:
On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 22:40:49 -0400, Jason wrote: Last time I looked, Verizon does not support IMAP and neither did Time Warner. Those are my two choices for Internet service ('tho Vz is only DSL - bah). Is anybody's experience with them different? If so, it might be time to make a change. I never use the email service provided by an ISP because it ties me to that ISP. I can't change ISP's without also changing my email address. So personally, I would never base an ISP decision on the availability of their email service. I did that a number of years ago for the same reason. Then the third party e-mail provider got sick :-) That's when - and why - I switched to a standard provider (i.e. a large company). The above smiley is for irony, not amusement. I was pretty ****ed... -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch) |
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On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 04:28:21 -0500 "Char Jackson"
wrote in article I never use the email service provided by an ISP because it ties me to that ISP. I can't change ISP's without also changing my email address. Same here. I have forwarding from the IEEE. I've had to switch providers a couple times over the years but without changing my email address. My beef with TW, now (apparently) fixed, is that they didn't offer encryption of email credentials. I've called them every so often for YEARS and always got either a "huh?" or "we're working on it...real soon now." I said "apparently" because I think they've fixed that for their POP3 service. |
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Per Char Jackson:
I never use the email service provided by an ISP because it ties me to that ISP. I can't change ISP's without also changing my email address. So personally, I would never base an ISP decision on the availability of their email service. And I take it a step further by registering a vanity domain name - so I can hop from email provider to email provider without my address changing. -- Pete Cresswell |
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"(PeteCresswell)" writes: Per Char Jackson: I never use the email service provided by an ISP because it ties me to that ISP. I can't change ISP's without also changing my email address. So personally, I would never base an ISP decision on the availability of their email service. And I take it a step further by registering a vanity domain name - so I can hop from email provider to email provider without my address changing. I would assume that's what Char is doing too, unless he has forwarding facilities due to membership of something (as Jason does from the IEEE). -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf This was before we knew that a laboratory rat, if experimented upon, will develop cancer. [Quoted by] Anne ), 1997-1-29 |
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On Sat, 02 May 2015 11:19:54 +0100, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
unless he has forwarding facilities due to membership of something (as Jason does from the IEEE). Anyone who is using such an approach (like me!) should be aware of the increasing use of the SPF protocol by ISP's and senders that is aimed at avoiding the use of email forwarding. Info on SPF he http://tinyurl.com/le22osj I first became aware of the problem when I realised that emails from Amazon & Facebook were failing to arrive in my ISP's mailbox. The end result is that I am having to invest in a mailbox to use to receive my mail that was being forwarded, as the only solution. (SPF: Sender Policy Framework) -- /\/\aurice (Retired in U.K.) (Replace "nomail.afraid" by "bcs" to reply by email) |
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On Sat, 2 May 2015 12:36:05 +0000 (UTC), Maurice wrote:
Anyone who is using such an approach (like me!) should be aware of the increasing use of the SPF protocol by ISP's and senders that is aimed at avoiding the use of email forwarding. (Not sure that's the point of SPF!) So you need to use a (separate from your ISP*) mail service provider that handles SPF, perhaps by re-writing the envelope header stuff using the Sender Rewriting Scheme (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sender_Rewriting_Scheme). [*]I was howled down before for suggesting using an email service provider, hopefully it won't happen this time! |
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| POP3 protocol is designed to move all your email to your local
| computer. | | Not true...it does not move all mail, it only moves mail from the | account's Inbox on the server to the locally setup account Inbox. | | I'm obviously not grasping something here. Your use of the word "only" | implies that there's some mail other than that in "the account's Inbox | on the server", that would still match ...winston's description of "your | email". Winston is not clarifying the whole issue. He may be using something like gmail, yahoo, or hotmail/outlook.com and has simply forgotten that not everyone uses webmail. Implied in his statement is that you're using webmail that *happens to* allow for POP3 access, such as gmail. Gmail is webmail. Google co-owns your email. The whole thing is happening on their server. Your email can never be entirely deleted. Gmail just happens to also provide an option to download it via POP3, as "real" email. But it's primarily a freebie webmail service with all that implies. POP3 email predates webmail and dates to a time when storage on the server was limited. People were expected to download email and delete it from the server, so that it wouldn't take up much space. In the days of free webmail POP3 has become a way to provide a modicum of privacy because of that history. The typical POP3 server is just a service, not a freebie, spyware, ad-supported "cloud app". If you use normal POP3 email you should have only arrived email on the server and your email client will typically be configured to delete it from the server when it's downloaded. So there's a distinction there between a POP3 server and webmail that also has a POP3 option. Most POP3 now also has a webmail option. I have a number of POP3 accounts, connected to my own domain and to my ISP. I never use webmail for any of them. I suppose those accounts probably have a "drafts" folder and such -- insofar as that I'd see those folders if I logged in via the web UI -- but since I never use the web version those "folders" don't exist for all practical purposes. An interesting variation on that is when people have apparently POP3 email but it's actually freebie webmail under the surface. For instance, many colleges now cut corners by subbing out student email to the likes of Google. Does Google reserve the right to keep, store and spy on email belonging to ? Does Debbie get accosted with targetted ads to save a buck for the college? I don't know. |
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On Sat, 02 May 2015 14:54:25 +0100, mechanic wrote:
need to use a (separate from your ISP*) mail service provider that handles SPF, Not to handle SPF (though it will check), but just to avoid any forwarding. It is the fact that our current forwarding node is not listed by the sender that causes our ISP receiver's SPF check to bounce the email. What we need is a mailbox at that forwarding node, so that no forwarding occurs (instead, we download our emails from that mailbox), then the SPF parameters of the sender (e.g. Amazon) will not cause the receiving node's SPF to bounce the email that was previously being forwarded. -- /\/\aurice (Replace "nomail.afraid" by "bcs" to reply by email) |
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On Sat, 2 May 2015 11:19:54 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote: In message , "(PeteCresswell)" writes: Per Char Jackson: I never use the email service provided by an ISP because it ties me to that ISP. I can't change ISP's without also changing my email address. So personally, I would never base an ISP decision on the availability of their email service. And I take it a step further by registering a vanity domain name - so I can hop from email provider to email provider without my address changing. I would assume that's what Char is doing too, unless he has forwarding facilities due to membership of something (as Jason does from the IEEE). I have email accounts with several of the well known email providers so that I can choose which email address to give out in specific circumstances and so that I can change ISP's without changing email addresses. In effect, I think I'm doing everything Pete is doing except I haven't so far bothered to register a vanity domain. None of my email accounts are configured to forward anything to another account. -- Char Jackson |
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On 27/04/2015 12:57 PM, Mike Barnes wrote:
Yes there is. Drafts, Sent, Deleted, etc, not to mention any archive folders that you've created. I didn't think POP3 ever had any of that on the server. I don't understand the idea of POP3 having anything on the server. It took things from the server, but it didn't "have" anything there. What I don't know - and someone might enlighten me - is whether servers had anything other than an Inbox at the time POP3 was designed. I suspect that they didn't (commonly, anyway) so POP3 was designed to move all your mail, but no longer does so simply because of changes to its operating environment. There really isn't even an inbox in POP3, all there was was incoming mail, completely undifferentiated. That included spam and junk mail. It wasn't the POP3's server's job to sort your mail out for you, it just stored it temporarily until you came and downloaded it. It was then upto your local computer's email program to do all of that sorting. IMAP basically took that client-side concept and implemented right on the server side. The advantage is that it makes accessing and finding large mail much faster, than if done on the client software. Of course, it now means that these mail servers need to implement plenty of local storage, whereas before they could get away with just a little. Yousuf Khan |
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On 02/05/2015 8:33 PM, Mayayana wrote:
POP3 email predates webmail and dates to a time when storage on the server was limited. People were expected to download email and delete it from the server, so that it wouldn't take up much space. In the days of free webmail POP3 has become a way to provide a modicum of privacy because of that history. The typical POP3 server is just a service, not a freebie, spyware, ad-supported "cloud app". If you use normal POP3 email you should have only arrived email on the server and your email client will typically be configured to delete it from the server when it's downloaded. So there's a distinction there between a POP3 server and webmail that also has a POP3 option. Most POP3 now also has a webmail option. I have a number of POP3 accounts, connected to my own domain and to my ISP. I never use webmail for any of them. I suppose those accounts probably have a "drafts" folder and such -- insofar as that I'd see those folders if I logged in via the web UI -- but since I never use the web version those "folders" don't exist for all practical purposes. Yup, good explanation. An interesting variation on that is when people have apparently POP3 email but it's actually freebie webmail under the surface. For instance, many colleges now cut corners by subbing out student email to the likes of Google. Does Google reserve the right to keep, store and spy on email belonging to ? Does Debbie get accosted with targetted ads to save a buck for the college? I don't know. Well, it's not just colleges, even entire major ISP's do that these days, they'll subcontract out their email services to Google or Yahoo or Microsoft. In those cases, Google, et al, won't display their typical ads as they are being paid by the organization that is subcontracting to them. It may come from the same hardware, but different standards are applied here. Yousuf Khan |
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