My computers are all 100% Windows 10 now.

On 07/26/2016 03:49 PM, Big Bad Bob wrote:
Although, my accounting machine runs Win7 since Quickbooks needs that.
QB won't work in Wine?

I did notice myself that I tried loading the latest Newsbin, a binary
newsreader (downloader) and it would not work. I had to back down a
major version # to get one to work. But I don't lose features (at
least ones that I use).

On 7/22/2016 12:07 PM, burfordTjustice wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jul 2016 18:33:42 +0000
Fritz Wuehler
wrote:

No more Vista, no more XP, no more WIndows 7 or Windows 8. All
done and running great!

Apple eat your heart out.


The NSA and barry thank you very much

The defaults, in terms of privacy, for Windows 10, are pretty terrible.

Fortunately, it's easy to turn off the data collection. See
https://fix10.isleaked.com/

Combine good privacy settings with Ghostery https://www.ghostery.com/,
a good hosts file http://winhelp2002.mvps.org/hosts.htm, Adblock Plus
https://adblockplus.org/ and Tor https://www.torproject.org/, and a
VPN service (I bought a "lifetime" subscription to PureVPN, and you get
pretty good privacy.

No matter which OS you use you should be using a tracking blocker, an
extensive hosts file, an ad blocker, a browser that doesn't track you,
and VPN.

A lot of us have to run Windows, even on a Mac, because we need to use
applications that are not available on the Mac. Windows 10 is a lot
better than Windows 8. Windows 7 is still fine, but Microsoft is doing
things to make it more painful to use Windows 7, they have really
screwed up the update services.

Classic Shell http://www.classicshell.net/ on Windows 10 brings back
the Windows 7 look and feel.

We have a good mix of Macs and Windows machines, mainly Lenovo
Thinkpads, at my company. But every Mac here is dual boot. We just have
too many applications that are Windows-only. Even Linux versions of some
of those apps have been dropped because of support costs. I asked one
company about that and they said they just could not support Linux
because of the plethora of versions.

On Wed, 27 Jul 2016 11:29:14 -0700, sms
wrote:

Classic Shell http://www.classicshell.net/ on Windows 10 brings back
the Windows 7 look and feel.


Since your posting name is new to me, I'll repeat to you what I've
said here numbers of times.

Classic Shell is very good, but as far as I'm concerned, Start10
https://www.stardock.com/products/start10/ is even better. Unlike
Classic Shell, it isn't free, but it's only $4.99, and it comes with a
30-day free trial. If you haven't tried it, I recommend that you do.

On 7/25/2016 5:26 AM, knuttle wrote:

snip

I did not mean proactive in the sense of analyzing each update, only
proactive in initiating the upgrade process.

From what I understand, with Windows 10 there is no option to not
install updates.

On 7/25/2016 5:00 AM, chrisv wrote:
Fritz Wuehler wrote:

It will if you are a click idiot and do not read the setup
screens. It tells you right up front that it is going to do it
unless you turn the settings off.

There are two screens during installation and you can't miss
them unless you are a drug addict meth user.

If you install it yourself... How about if, like 90% will be, Win10
is pre-installed? (Or even the "free conversions". I have heard that
it just goes, without use input.)

Not true. You have the option to select the "default" or to customize.
You also can go back and turn off whatever you don't want.

I recall being in an Office Depot once and overhearing the salesperson
saying that for $79 the store would set up the computer by removing all
the shovelware that the manufacturer loaded. I suppose they would also
offer to remove all the Microsoft spyware by fixing the settings.

On 7/23/2016 5:07 AM, Philip Herlihy wrote:
In article
emailer.net,
says...

No more Vista, no more XP, no more WIndows 7 or Windows 8. All
done and running great!

Apple eat your heart out.

Me too. Now have two laptops, two desktops, a microserver and a tablet
all running W10, and all performing well. It's great being able to
network them all so seamlessly. Two of the machines (laptop and
desktop) came from Vista, and both perform surprisingly well - even an
ancient 32-bit desktop which runs better than it ever did under Vista.
The only downside is that the graphics adapter isn't recognised (doesn't
even appear in Device Manager) so I'm limited to 1280px instead of the
1920 I had before, but in any likely future use of that machine this
won't be an issue. It was a cheap and cheerful Ebay-builder special
nine years ago!

Of the other machines, a desktop and tablet were bought with W8, a
laptop with W7, and the server (HP Microserver) was a clean install
(works a treat as a fileserver).

I added Windows 7 to my son's old Latitude D630 (was XP) then did the
Windows 10 free upgrade. Much faster now. I found an eBay seller of
Windows 7 Pro for $25. They buy broken computers and unregister the OS
which makes it possible to reactivate the same copy. It's a very good
quality laptop, and I have the dock, which makes it nice to use at work.
I have a triple boot Mac as well (OS-X, Windows, and Linux) but really
never have a need for OS-X anymore. If I wanted to run Final Cut or
Garage Band I would use OS-X.

On 7/23/2016 4:24 AM, knuttle wrote:
On 7/22/2016 7:35 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
On 07/22/16 14:34, knuttle wrote:
On 7/22/2016 4:12 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
On 07/22/16 12:33, Fritz Wuehler wrote:
No more Vista, no more XP, no more WIndows 7 or Windows 8. All
done and running great!

Apple eat your heart out.


How did you get your old software from previous windows versions
over to
10? I tried and couldn't find any of my software or documents.

Not original poster, but have upgrade three computers from Window 8.1 to
Windows 10.

The first consideration is what was your old OS?

Win7.


If you had Windows 7 or 8.x, did you do it from the upgrade icon, ie
upgrade over the old OS, or did you do a clean install of Windows 10
with a disk reformat.

The upgrade from the icon.


If you did a clean install, you will have to install each of your old
programs.

For most Windows 7 or 8.x, you should be able to find the them in the
app menu, click MS icon, in the lower right there is an icon with a lot
of bars. Clicking this will open the programs menu listing all of the
recognized installed programs. You program may be in a folder in the
program menu. ie Windows Accessories.

If you can not find the program on the installed program menu, go to the
Program files (x86), and locate your program in its folder. Right click
and in the pop up menu select pin to start and/or pin to taskbar.


I found all of my files in some folder called "\\Network".
I don't see why they just didn't put the software in the appropriate
folders. Like VS2010 was in "\\Network". Like how hard was it for MS
to do the right thing?


I had to do this with a couple of my programs that run great under
Windows 10


Then there is the privacy concerns.
Not sure if I like having some of my programs shared with some
corporation that has no business looking at them.


Go through all of the settings and disable anything that sounds like it
is automatically sending information back to MS. With use you may find
that you will want to reactivate some of them. Don't for get the
autofeed back in programs.

There must be 1000 articles online about how to set up Windows 10 to
disable spying by Microsoft.

Of course you also want to disable other spying. Install Adblock Plus.
Install Ghostery. Install and extensive Hosts file. Use a browser like
Tor. And do this regardless of the OS you're using. It's scary to look
at the list of trackers that's caught by something like Ghostery.

In article
sms wrote:

On 7/25/2016 5:26 AM, knuttle wrote:

snip

I did not mean proactive in the sense of analyzing each update, only
proactive in initiating the upgrade process.

From what I understand, with Windows 10 there is no option to not
install updates.

You can defer some updates in the pro version.

In article
sms wrote:

On 7/25/2016 5:26 AM, knuttle wrote:

snip

I did not mean proactive in the sense of analyzing each update, only
proactive in initiating the upgrade process.

From what I understand, with Windows 10 there is no option to not
install updates.

Not true.

In article
Jeremy Bentham wrote:

In article
sms wrote:

On 7/25/2016 5:26 AM, knuttle wrote:

snip

I did not mean proactive in the sense of analyzing each update, only
proactive in initiating the upgrade process.

From what I understand, with Windows 10 there is no option to not
install updates.

You can defer some updates in the pro version.

Depends on system role. Standalone systems maybe not so much,
domain, depends on policy and WSUS.

In article
sms wrote:

On 7/25/2016 5:00 AM, chrisv wrote:
Fritz Wuehler wrote:

It will if you are a click idiot and do not read the setup
screens. It tells you right up front that it is going to do it
unless you turn the settings off.

There are two screens during installation and you can't miss
them unless you are a drug addict meth user.

If you install it yourself... How about if, like 90% will be, Win10
is pre-installed? (Or even the "free conversions". I have heard that
it just goes, without use input.)

Not true. You have the option to select the "default" or to customize.
You also can go back and turn off whatever you don't want.

Correct.

I recall being in an Office Depot once and overhearing the salesperson
saying that for $79 the store would set up the computer by removing all
the shovelware that the manufacturer loaded. I suppose they would also
offer to remove all the Microsoft spyware by fixing the settings.

Information gathering and compiling applications, that one IS
TOLD about during setup and in the license agreement, that one
AGREES TO when beginning the installation, and is GIVEN the
opportunity to DECLINE, are not spyware.

The same whiners complaining about spyware wouldn't know spyware
if it was slapping them in the face and stealing their welfare
EBT card.

On 7/29/2016 12:04 AM, Anonymous wrote:
In article
Jeremy Bentham wrote:

In article
sms wrote:

On 7/25/2016 5:26 AM, knuttle wrote:

snip

I did not mean proactive in the sense of analyzing each update, only
proactive in initiating the upgrade process.

From what I understand, with Windows 10 there is no option to not
install updates.

You can defer some updates in the pro version.

Depends on system role. Standalone systems maybe not so much,
domain, depends on policy and WSUS.

What I saw was that for Windows 10 Home, the updates are installed
automatically with no option to decline. Not the case for Windows 10 Pro.

On 7/29/2016 4:41 AM, Fritz Wuehler wrote:

snip

The same whiners complaining about spyware wouldn't know spyware
if it was slapping them in the face and stealing their welfare
EBT card.

Yes, it's not spyware, not sure what the proper term is for that data
collection built into the OS and other applications. "Data mining" is
what's done with the data that's collected. Maybe it's just "data
collection."

I just thought it was so amusing that all these shovelware companies pay
the computer manufactures to include that garbage on new computers, then
the retailer tries to get the customer to pay them to remove the
shovelware. It's quite a business model on both ends. Both ends are
squeezed by low margins on hardware and seek to make this up with other
revenue sources. But there's ways for consumers to profit from this too.