All I want to do is bring a file from WinXP over to the iPad

In article , Mayayana
wrote:

| nothing satisfies everyone. a small number of people don't like itunes
| and are very vocal about it, but there are hundreds of millions who
| don't have a problem
|
| These hundreds of millions are the same ones who don't know any better
| and certainly would never even look for a better solution than itunes is
| for them.
|

Actually those hundreds of millions live only
in nospam's head.

nope.

apple sold roughly 150 million ios devices in the past 6 months.

guess what just about all of them are using. itunes.

He's famous for adamant
pronouncements with no actual information
to back them up.

i back up everything i say.

He implies that 95+% of
people who use iTunes like it.

i never quoted a percentage.

i said millions use and don't have a problem, and thats correct.

nothing is perfect and some do have issues, but they're generally minor.

Of course he offers
no source for that statement. I doubt there
are any such statistics to begin with.

there have been numerous customer satisfaction surveys for iphones,
ipads and more.

apple consistently is on top, as high as 100% (changewave last spring,
if i recall correctly).

What I
do know is that I've had to clean it out of
friends PCs. They happen to go to a site that
requires iTunes, agree to let it install, and end
up with a whole suite of superfluous spyware
running in the background.

there is no spyware in itunes. that's more of your tinfoil hat idiocy.

*all* contact with apple, including auto-update, the itunes store and
icloud syncing, is entirely up to the user to enable or disable as they
see fit.

In article , Char Jackson
wrote:

I had a Mac laptop given to me in late 2008, I believe, and I turned around
and gave it away without evening opening the carton. I was leading a
large-ish project with a $52M budget, and one of the guys sneaked in a
purchase of a dozen of the laptops at $3300 each. I had zero interest in it,
so I gave it away to a colleague. I'm not familiar with the models from back
then, but it was possibly a MacBook Air? That seems to ring a bell, but I
could be wrong.

At the time, very nice Windows laptops were available for less than a third
of the cost. I don't know about their respective capabilities so I'm only
comparing price. I'm sure someone will tell me that the Mac was worth every
penny.

the specs were different. that's why the price was different.

however, if it was a 2008 macbook air, that wasn't one of the most
competitive laptops apple ever offered. it was, however, the thinnest
up until that time and kicked off the ultrabook. other companies soon
copied it and later macbook airs were more competitive.

In article , Michelle Steiner
wrote:

Why doesn't bluetooth file transfer work on the iPad?

It works for me. I can transfer photos, spreadsheets, word processing
documents, etc., via blue tooth to or from another iOS device or a
Macintosh. It's called AirDrop. AirDrop tries to transfer over WiFi
if it can, but if it can't, it uses Blue Tooth.

airdrop uses bluetooth to *set up* peer to peer wifi.

it doesn't use bluetooth to transfer, as that would be very slow.

In article , Werner Obermeier
wrote:

So you, and Michelle (who may be the very same person, I don't know),

You don't know much of anything, it seems. But that seems to be true
for all you nym-shifting trolls.

would both just give up if you had no cable and you weren't on a
network. That Jolly idiot wouldn't even know that much.

And wrong yet again, dumbass.

In article , pjp
wrote:

Mid 80's setting up a graphics lab with mix of Macs and PCs at that
time. Needed a hard disk. A hard disk for a Mac was almost 3 times as
expensive as the same model made for a pc.

Bull****! Well, maybe not if an unethical salesperson saw another
sucker walk through the door.

On 2015-08-04, Ken Springer wrote:
On 8/3/15 5:14 PM, Wolf K wrote:
you didn't spend twice as much and you can use any mouse you want.
The G4 cost $1500. The XP laptop I replaced it with a yer later had a
faster (dual-core) CPU, twice the HDD storage, same screen size, built
in wi-fi, noticeably faster graphics. Cost $800.

Talking today's situation only and generally leaving Windows 10 out of
it as I've not received my reserved copy yet...

I realized just a few months ago, that in all the "how much it costs"
discussions, participants are always talking about the hardware that is
on the machine, but never the software nor customer service that comes
with the new out of the box system.

Stuff like that matters a lot, too. Apple's customer service is among
the very best out there by a wide margin. It's top-notch.

For hardware, let's say you have an Apple computer, and a Windows
computer with matching hardware specs, at least as close as possible.

The problem is all too often people dismiss hardware on the Mac either
out of ignorance or deeming it "unnecessary", and then don't bother
equipping their supposedly equivalent PC with truly comparable
components as a result. When people do bother to do an exhaustive
comparison, they find that Macs generally aren't significantly more
expensive than equivalent PCs, and sometimes are less expensive:

http://www.futurelooks.com/new-apple-mac-pro-can-build-better-cheaper-pc-diy-style/3/

And of course, matching models, meaning an iMac needs to be compared to
a Windows All-in-One unit.

People almost *never* bother with that. Usually the excuse is that
"nobody wants those" or something to that effect.

What software comes with the Windows computer that is comparable to the
following programs on a Mac...

Preview
Automator
sqlite (which I learned is installed from a message in this thread)
cURL (http://curl.haxx.se/)

There may be other programs hidden in OS X I don't know about.

An entire POSIX-compliant Unix operating system, complete with typical
services like Apache, PHP, DNS, and email services, that can run
virtually any open-source *nix software you can throw at it, for
starters.

You also get tons of other really nice pieces of software, all fully
integrated with each other and the operating system:

http://www.apple.com/osx/apps/

Automator will be another difficult one, and way above my head to even
try.

I've actually heard people compare Automator with a Windows batch file,
which is absurd considering how much more rigid and limited batch files
are compared with Automator:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batch_file
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automator_(software)

Automator can be used to automate just about anything you could possibly
want to do with your computer, and much of it is simple drag-and-drop
or point-and-click configuration, with English-like (AppleScript)
scripting. You can script in any other language you want too. It's
*extremely* powerful with a simple user interface. The Windows batch
file facility is a really limited toy in comparison.

Old Unix guys have told me that the "power" of Terminal surpasses the
Command Window. Anyone here used both sufficiently to comment on that
claim?

Yep, and it applies to any *nix operating system.

--
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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

In article , Michelle Steiner
wrote:

Mid 80's setting up a graphics lab with mix of Macs and PCs at that
time. Needed a hard disk. A hard disk for a Mac was almost 3 times as
expensive as the same model made for a pc.

Bull****! Well, maybe not if an unethical salesperson saw another
sucker walk through the door.

unfortunately, there were and still are a lot of sleazy salespeople who
did exactly that.

In article , nospam
wrote:

airdrop uses bluetooth to *set up* peer to peer wifi.

it doesn't use bluetooth to transfer, as that would be very slow.

You're right. I just tried to use AirDrop with WiFi turned off, and as
soon as I enabled AirDrop, WiFi was automatically turned on.

What confused me is that you don't have to be connected to a network;
it works peer to peer.

In article , Michelle Steiner
wrote:

airdrop uses bluetooth to *set up* peer to peer wifi.

it doesn't use bluetooth to transfer, as that would be very slow.

You're right. I just tried to use AirDrop with WiFi turned off, and as
soon as I enabled AirDrop, WiFi was automatically turned on.

What confused me is that you don't have to be connected to a network;
it works peer to peer.

correct.

for android, it's not as simple. he would have to be connected to an
existing wifi network or set one up between devices, if possible.

nospam wrote in
lid:

you set it up to sync with *your* computer. it would *never* be on
someone else's computer.

You're an idiot if you say that after having read the very first post
in this thread. Michelle is an idiot also - so maybe you are one and
the same.

Either an idiot, or a troll - because you can't be that wrong all
the time without some semblance of purpose.

My computer was never involved in the original question, and if you
didn't realize that after having read the first post, then you're
an idiot.

If you did realized that, then you're just a troll.

nospam wrote in
lid:

the scenario you described was take photos on an ipad and go through *8*
steps to move it to a linux system. that can be done without doing a
thing. the photos just show up on your computer.

Again, you can only either be an idiot, or a troll if you compare the
simple steps of connecting Linux to the iPad as being somehow more
complex than connecting an iTunes infested PC to the iPad.

To copy a few select files from any Linux system on the planet to any
iPad on the planet takes connecting the USB cable and then doubleclicking
on the desired automatic mount point, selecting control+c to copy and
control+v to paste.

That's it.

Now tell me how many steps it would be for *you* to connect any PC on the
planet to any iPad on the planet using your vaunted iTunes method?

Oh, You can't do it? Sorry. Your "solution" is a POS since it just doesn't
work. You (and that Michelle copy of you) would "just give up".

You can't do **** with iTunes, and you know that. So you're either
incredibly stupid, or incredibly incapable of doing anything since I
can get *any* file from *any* Linux machine to *any* iPad without
installing *anything* on either device.

You "just can't".

nospam wrote in
lid:

the only idiot is someone who wants to use bluetooth to transfer files.

You are so incredibly stupid that you "just can't" do anything if
you lose your network or your cable.

Everyone else "just can" (because Bluetooth is just one of the many
tools that they can use).

Of course, you can't use it - and you knew that - so you persisted in
saying it's slow - when you knew - all along - that you just can't
transfer files when you don't have a cable or network.

But everyone else "just can" (because of Bluetooth!).

nospam wrote in
lid:

most of your information is long outdated or flat out wrong. worse you
refuse to learn anything new.

I can run rings around you with my "outdated" information, because I can
do *anything* I want, and you can't.

For example, I can easily transfer selected photos from *any* Android
mobile device in the world with Bluetooth to *any* laptop in the world
with Bluetooth - even without a cable or a network - but you can't do it
at all with your iOS iPad. Period.

You "just can't".

I can easily transfer *any* video from *any* Linux or Windows computer
with MTP over USB cable to *any iPad* without adding any additional
software whatsoever on any of the devices - and - oh, what's that?

With your "modern" methods, you "just can't); but me, with my "outdated"
methods, "just can".

Michelle Steiner wrote in
:

Oh wait. I know. Michelle would do the same thing.

You don't know anything.

You must be nospam because you and he are both idiots that keep saying
things like that, without providing a single shred of proof.

You clearly "just can't" do anything I can do, and I can run rings around
both you and nospam (if you're not one and the same) since you have
proven you simply give up the moment you and he try to do anything you
suggest on any computer in the world interfacing with any iPad in the
world.

You just can't.

I can.

So, if I don't know anything - then how come you can't do what I can do?

nospam wrote in
lid:

i'm an idiot because i choose the *fastest* and *easiest* method to move
a file?

So, tell me oh enlightened one.

I gave you an explicit example.

Now you imply you can do it.

If you're so smart (much smarter than I am with my "outdated" methods),
then just ell me how you will accomplish the simple task.

SIMPLE TASK THAT I OUTLINED PRIOR THAT YOU SAY YOU CAN DO SOMEHOW:
Using no cable & no network, just transfer a photo from any laptop in the
world to any iOS device that is five inches away from that laptop,
without installing any additional software on either device.

I can do that.
How are *you* going to do it?

a) Tell me how, or,
b) Admit, "you just can't".