Copying the "Windows" and "Documents and Settings" folders ???

On 2/18/15 1:57 PM, philo wrote:
On 02/18/2015 01:22 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 12:59:01 -0600, philo wrote:


The reason I want to copy the Windows folder is to be able to do a
complete restore, if my HDD fails,


snip

Then your scheme will fail.

What you need to do is clone your hard drive to another one...or create
a restorable "image".

So, what if I use that "backup" included with XP, and do an image of

Windows "backup" does not image the drive
you need 3rd party software to do that

IIRC, for XP's backup system, you need a special boot floppy for it to
work. That's what I remember, anyway. I would go with a 3rd party program.


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On 02/18/2015 05:50 PM, Ken Springer wrote:
On

What you need to do is clone your hard drive to another one...or create
a restorable "image".

So, what if I use that "backup" included with XP, and do an image of

Windows "backup" does not image the drive
you need 3rd party software to do that

IIRC, for XP's backup system, you need a special boot floppy for it to
work. That's what I remember, anyway. I would go with a 3rd party
program.





You don't need a boot floppy , the backup creates a file that is stored
on another drive (or in the old days a tape)


What not everyone knows is that when you get a new hard drive, the
manufacturer usually has free imagining software. If it does not come
with the drive it should be on their website.

Such programs are usually a modified version of an existing commercial
program that will work as long as one of the drives is from the same
manufacturer.



Just as an example here is a link to Seagate

http://www.seagate.com/support/downl...ard-master-dl/

On 2/18/15 6:00 PM, philo wrote:
On 02/18/2015 05:50 PM, Ken Springer wrote:
On

What you need to do is clone your hard drive to another one...or create
a restorable "image".

So, what if I use that "backup" included with XP, and do an image of

Windows "backup" does not image the drive
you need 3rd party software to do that

IIRC, for XP's backup system, you need a special boot floppy for it to
work. That's what I remember, anyway. I would go with a 3rd party
program.





You don't need a boot floppy , the backup creates a file that is stored
on another drive (or in the old days a tape)

Interesting. I know when I went to make a system image in order to
restore a potential crashed XP Pro installation I have, the first thing
it asked me to do was to create an "ASR" diskette. I think it stands
for Advanced System Restore, but that was long, long ago. When I got
that message, I stropped as I didn't want the hassle of dealing with a
floppy.


What not everyone knows is that when you get a new hard drive, the
manufacturer usually has free imagining software. If it does not come
with the drive it should be on their website.

Such programs are usually a modified version of an existing commercial
program that will work as long as one of the drives is from the same
manufacturer.

I noticed it's usually a version of Acronis.



Just as an example here is a link to Seagate

http://www.seagate.com/support/downl...ard-master-dl/



--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 33.1
Thunderbird 31.0
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

philo wrote:
On 02/18/2015 05:50 PM, Ken Springer wrote:
On

What you need to do is clone your hard drive to another one...or
create a restorable "image".

So, what if I use that "backup" included with XP, and do an image of

Windows "backup" does not image the drive
you need 3rd party software to do that

IIRC, for XP's backup system, you need a special boot floppy for it to
work. That's what I remember, anyway. I would go with a 3rd party
program.


You don't need a boot floppy , the backup creates a file that is stored
on another drive (or in the old days a tape)

What not everyone knows is that when you get a new hard drive, the
manufacturer usually has free imagining software. If it does not come
with the drive it should be on their website.

Such programs are usually a modified version of an existing commercial
program that will work as long as one of the drives is from the same
manufacturer.

Just as an example here is a link to Seagate

http://www.seagate.com/support/downl...ard-master-dl/

IIRC, one is for Seagate drives, and another one available was for WD
(Western Digital) drives. I think they're both just stripped down (very
basic) versions of Acronis True Image.

On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 15:16:25 -0500, Paul wrote:

I back up everything here, on an irregular basis.

Thats what I do too.

Why do I do it ?

The danger of Cryptolocker, or the mess that Sality would make.

The backup drive is disconnected from the computer, for safety,
so neither of those pests can get it.

I dont leave mine plugged in either, if for no other reason it takes
forever for the computer to boot if that drive is plugged in.


The total storage space taken is 1TB. It takes the better
part of a whole day, to run that stuff (but using
VSS based backup tools I can continue working if I want).

Is that all? I took me 3 days to copy my 192 Gigs. But I only have USB
1, on this 14 year old computer, which I know is slower than USB 2.

My laptop has USB 2, and copies faster.

On 02/18/2015 07:26 PM, Ken Springer wrote:


snip
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Interesting. I know when I went to make a system image in order to
restore a potential crashed XP Pro installation I have, the first thing
it asked me to do was to create an "ASR" diskette. I think it stands
for Advanced System Restore, but that was long, long ago. When I got
that message, I stropped as I didn't want the hassle of dealing with a
floppy.



I've seen that message somewhere along the line but have never pair any
attention to it. I doubt if anyone uses floppies any more. I stopped
putting them the machine I build many years ago and have not once had
someone ask for one.


Two years ago however I needed some to re-install OS/2 on a CNC machine
controller I was working on and found that 90% of the old floppies I had
stored were bad. At least I got the back of my closet cleaned out a bit.


What not everyone knows is that when you get a new hard drive, the
manufacturer usually has free imagining software. If it does not come
with the drive it should be on their website.

Such programs are usually a modified version of an existing commercial
program that will work as long as one of the drives is from the same
manufacturer.

I noticed it's usually a version of Acronis.



Yep. it's been a while since I cloned a hard drive but believe it was
Acronis. At any rate it worked reasonably fast and without a problem

In message ,
writes:
On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 22:17:56 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:


I'm with you there, and for my data partition, that's exactly what I do
do (make a tree copy).
[]
Leaving aside the other things you can't copy for the moment, why _do_
you want to copy the Windows folder? If it's so you could restore it in
[]
The reason I want to copy the Windows folder is to be able to do a
complete restore, if my HDD fails, or somthing else goes wrong. I know
it's not all that hard to reinstall XP from the original CD, but then
I'm stuck with spending weeks fu*king with setting it up the way I like
it. XP has a lot of annoyances that I changed or removed. I have my

Me too, as well as all the software I'd have to reinstall and configure.
[]
I have restored Win98se numerous times, and it works immediately just
like i had it installed. Win98 files can be copied entirely as long as
[]
I have many times copied the Win98 backup to another HDD, after using
the SYS C: command from Dos. Or just fornmatting from Dos, first.
Win98 just boots right up.

I have also copied my Win2000 partition (while booted to W98), and after
[]
But I realize XP is not that simple....
That's why I still prefer Win98 and 2000 over XP, and I wont even touch
anything newer.
[]
Yes, unfortunately you _can't_ restore XP as you describe - there are
"secret things" beyond just the files. I don't claim to understand what
they are (I'm pretty sure Paul does though!), but I have found that
Macrium free will save an image that can be restored and work, at least
to another hard disc in the same computer (which is what I had to do:
fortunately I got my old disc running well enough to run Macrium [from
its boot CD] long enough to make that image, which I then restored to a
blank new HD in the same PC). Other imaging softwares probably would do
the trick too - the main point is (a) you need something to boot from
other than the system you're trying to restore, (b) it's more than just
files.

(I keep a small C: partition for my OS [XP] and software, so the image
can be small; like you, I copy everything else - from my data D:
partition - with just ordinary copy.)
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In message , Ken Springer
writes:
On 2/18/15 6:00 PM, philo wrote:
On 02/18/2015 05:50 PM, Ken Springer wrote:
On

What you need to do is clone your hard drive to another one...or create
a restorable "image".

So, what if I use that "backup" included with XP, and do an image of

Windows "backup" does not image the drive
you need 3rd party software to do that

IIRC, for XP's backup system, you need a special boot floppy for it to
work. That's what I remember, anyway. I would go with a 3rd party
program.





You don't need a boot floppy , the backup creates a file that is stored
on another drive (or in the old days a tape)

Interesting. I know when I went to make a system image in order to
restore a potential crashed XP Pro installation I have, the first thing
it asked me to do was to create an "ASR" diskette. I think it stands
for Advanced System Restore, but that was long, long ago. When I got
[]
You need something you can boot from. In systems that have no floppy
drive, you can make bootable CDs. Whether XP's own backup system can
make those, I don't know.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"Bother," said the Borg, "we assimilated a Pooh."

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Ken Springer
writes:
On 2/18/15 6:00 PM, philo wrote:
On 02/18/2015 05:50 PM, Ken Springer wrote:
On

What you need to do is clone your hard drive to another one...or
create
a restorable "image".

So, what if I use that "backup" included with XP, and do an image of

Windows "backup" does not image the drive
you need 3rd party software to do that

IIRC, for XP's backup system, you need a special boot floppy for it to
work. That's what I remember, anyway. I would go with a 3rd party
program.





You don't need a boot floppy , the backup creates a file that is stored
on another drive (or in the old days a tape)

Interesting. I know when I went to make a system image in order to
restore a potential crashed XP Pro installation I have, the first
thing it asked me to do was to create an "ASR" diskette. I think it
stands for Advanced System Restore, but that was long, long ago. When
I got
[]
You need something you can boot from. In systems that have no floppy
drive, you can make bootable CDs. Whether XP's own backup system can
make those, I don't know.

I have a BartPE disc with an NTBackup plugin in it,
but I haven't needed to thoroughly test it. So you
could use an approach like that. The NTBackup plugin
may want a VSS subsystem, even if such a thing is
not needed from a recovery boot CD to make the whole
process work.

To get BartPE to work on my newer PC, I had to flip from
AHCI back to IDE on the SATA ports. Then it could boot.
I might have made the BartPE CD four years ago or so
(you make it using your WinXP installer CD as "starting
materials").

With WAIK and ADK, maybe there's some way to make
a slightly more useful (recovery) CD.

Paul